Electric Supercharger!!!!!!omg...

[dangerranger02]

:smoka: yep, finally people who have a budget can get an affordable supercharger...yes, you heard right, no i'm not a vendor, and i'm not selling them, but i was browsing ebay the other day and I found an electric supercharger, i'm posting this to see if anyone has ever tried it, it only costs $50 and runs off of a 12 volt battery, it connects through your air intake tube(3") and has a switch for you to turn it on and off inside your vehicle, it's for ALL fuel injected engines, i just about freaked when i saw that it increases your HP 15%!!! omg, lol, anyways, the price is unbelievable, and get this...it pushes 240cfm! another plus, this baby is a pvc turbine, looks like a jet motor, it's light and very powerful, but simple and easy to install... my questions? --------> has anyone ever used these superchargers? what type of increase in hp did you obtain? and was this increase noticable?

and oh, if you are interested, or would like to just even check this baby out, please email me.... dangerranger02@aol.com now what civic? the DANGER RANGER is gonna stomp you!

[DVSNCYNIKL]

Just my .02, I wouldn't buy it, no matter how cheap they offer it.

[so-cali]

the real deal with this shit is that they will not increase hp %15. they will not add hardly any psi. they are actually pieces of shit that you can buy for less than $30 if you know where to look. dont get pulled into the scam. the claims they make on hp are laughable. a decntly made turbo or supercharger made out of cast-iron and powered by the exhaust or crankshaft are considered pretty damn good if they can increase hp by more than 40. this is a piece of plastic hooked up to a 12 volt battery making a pathetic attempt to force air into an engine.

im not gonna stop anyone from buying them... just be warned that you will be sadly dissapointed in performance gains if you think it can hold a candle anywhere near a real turbo or supercharger

[PortChop81]

Don't buy these things. If the fan inside breaks, u get little plastic pieces from the fan going into your engine.

[sol 2000]

dont buy it , if you want one , check out any boat and marine shop online and type in bilge fan, its like 20 bucks and the EXACT same product!

[gclay]

There is a well known scam of selling "Bilge fans" as electric super/turbo chargers......


It's a SCAM the only valid Electrric supercharger is an extremely expensive experimental model that is not on the market.

Buy yourself some "Stickers" or "Cool lights" or chrome exhaust tips, they will do more to speed up your car than these phony "superchargers"

In fact, They often actually slow down cars if the thottle body capacity exceeds the ability of this "bilge fan"

[sol 2000]

man- these are not bilge fans! its definetly not used to suck gas fumes out of boats! these are real- if you dont believe me i will e-mail you pix. the company claims they produce 2 psi( i tested to be 1.7 psi) still is good these spin 23000 rpm under load- bilge fans spin like 5000 or something. bilge fans also produce no psi- theyre meant to suck out fumes not push air under pressure. these units also releive 1.5 engine h.g. ( witch is vaccuum since you seem to be uneducated about these) and i dyno the twin units at thirty horsepower on my del sol vtec. twin means i had two hookd up. i have also owened a e-ram and that is a e-scam. i got MAYBE 5 h.p. at the most! this company hand makes the motors and theres thirteen different colors to choose from check out
http://www.breakdancecrew.com/streetfreakz or email
http://www.Wwalkerfrks@aol.com-peace

[gclay]

Sol 2000. I would appreciate any OBJECTIVE information you could provide relating to the electric supercharger.

I do understand boost. I also understan carburation and fuel injection. Most of my experience is with V8 engines, so I don't know the numbers for 4 & 6 cylinder rice burners.

A medium sized 4 bbl carburetor will draw 650 cfm of air via the intake stroke of and engine. Any Supercharger or Turbo charger, in order to to provide "boost" must be able to push orders of magnatude more air at higher pressure that the 'Normally aspirated" draw of the carburatror (or thottle body of a fuel injected car). In order to do this, the supercharger draws many horsepower off from the crank, and the turbo charger draws many horsepower off from the exhaust.

Do you know what even a 1 horespower electric motor looks like? THe size of the electric motor necessary to generate significant boost under power is prohibitice. ALso each horspower of electric motor will pull about 700 watts of electric power. At 12 volts, this is almos 60 amps of power. THis would seriosly tax any charging system. Also, unless the voltage is stupped up, you would needheavy duty wires, like you see going to the starter.

Therefor, I am still skeptical, even though somebody may have made some minor improvements on the "bilge motor" and marketing it as something different.

Again, Times are always changing, and there are always new engineering solutions being developed, so I will welcome any objective information, provided by some group who has twsted this thing independently, and will hush my mouth if this thing proves to be as usefull as a 'Real' supercharger

[zanick]

I just joined this list after seeing all the posts regarding the eRAM.

If you forget all the bogus products out there that do not work, and have no business of working for many reasons, you will see that the eRAM's concepts are based on solid physics and automotive engineering

Here are the specs.
908cfm (measured on a flow bench)
13volts
3lbs of thrust (shown on the video)
24,000rpm
1psi net change in intake pressure with use of the eRAM on WOT
5% hp gains as seen on many cars , measured by a rear wheel (or front wheel ) dyno jet 248e.
Use by a pro racing team for over 4 years, with no issues. On several club racer's cars that have been dynoed and are also used on the street.

dont confuse the flow rating of a carburetor , with the requirements of an engine. its related to its size, and generally, a 5 liter engine will draw close to 500cfm at 6000rpm. you can divde this for your engines output.

1hp motors can exist in the size that we are using. they are expensive and made to Military type specs. (rare earth magnets, all cnc machined aluminum parts, etc) The eRAM works only at WOT, so the duty cyle is pretty low, so we can hit the motor hard for short durations. at a track like laguna, even a top driver will only be on the WOT for 40 seconds a lap, on a 1:40 second lap. drag racing only takes less than 15-16 seconds , (or less!)

The 10hp gains we got on several porsche 911s , on top of the 200hp rear wheel that we tested , was real and done by an independent dyno shop, and club racer!

If you have any questions, I would be happy to address them.

Mark Kibort
eRACING
SpeedGT #19
www.electricsupercharger.com
www.928trackcars.com/kibort/

Originally posted by gclay
Sol 2000. I would appreciate any OBJECTIVE information you could provide relating to the electric supercharger.

I do understand boost. I also understan carburation and fuel injection. Most of my experience is with V8 engines, so I don't know the numbers for 4 & 6 cylinder rice burners.

A medium sized 4 bbl carburetor will draw 650 cfm of air via the intake stroke of and engine. Any Supercharger or Turbo charger, in order to to provide "boost" must be able to push orders of magnatude more air at higher pressure that the 'Normally aspirated" draw of the carburatror (or thottle body of a fuel injected car). In order to do this, the supercharger draws many horsepower off from the crank, and the turbo charger draws many horsepower off from the exhaust.

Do you know what even a 1 horespower electric motor looks like? THe size of the electric motor necessary to generate significant boost under power is prohibitice. ALso each horspower of electric motor will pull about 700 watts of electric power. At 12 volts, this is almos 60 amps of power. THis would seriosly tax any charging system. Also, unless the voltage is stupped up, you would needheavy duty wires, like you see going to the starter.

Therefor, I am still skeptical, even though somebody may have made some minor improvements on the "bilge motor" and marketing it as something different.

Again, Times are always changing, and there are always new engineering solutions being developed, so I will welcome any objective information, provided by some group who has twsted this thing independently, and will hush my mouth if this thing proves to be as usefull as a 'Real' supercharger

[gigatron]

I think we are all being scammed here's my post in honda forum lol...:

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbul...890#post936890

[gigatron]

AHAHAHHA:

http://www.cardomain.com/member_page...page_id=275812

[toyman321]

OK after viewing 1/2 of the bs that was floating around on this page I had to join and post. E chargers... unless you want to spend big big $$$ and drive a diesel rig DONT WORK. Anyone who is posting that a fan can produce boost is flat out lying, a fan can move air but not create boost (i.e. pressure) and the centrifugal e chargers that I have seen are junk. Anyone who is trying to sell you something made of plastic (i.e. leaf blower) and telling you that it will create boost is full of it. If you could get 30hp out of your car with an electric fan don’t you think everyone would be strapping toro leaf blowers to their cars? Save your self the time, money and probably damage to your engine and go buy a real turbo/supercharger or go on the bottle. And before you flame me becuase nitrous will ruin your engine I'd rather risk it with nitrous and get some real power instead of getting broken off pieces of plastic sucked into my manifold. Or setup a ram air system, not the ricer ram air systems that arent really true ram air but TRUE ram air, a TRUE ram air setup will create pressure in your intake manifod if it is setup correctly, granted it will not work until you are at speed but I have seen track cars runnig 1.5 lbs with a ram air setup at speed.

[scarlet]

so what is the real deal about this supercharger? i am very interested in purchasing one. my boyfriend says that he's seen it work. it definatly works (right?). he says that it doesn't give you that much boost but it is still forced induction. according to what i have read on the internet it gives you 5% hp but that is more that an intake or headers would do. all i'm saying is that... i don't have $4000 for my comtech supercharger and until then i'm hoping this will do. i also heard that you can stack them and get twice the air or three times the air if you put two or three. i would greatly appreciate it if you do not email me but i'm will look on here everyday, if you have answers to my questions or more to add.

[spdracr87]

u whould be better off if u want to build soem thng worht a danm to take and make a mister line with a water tank that feeds lill mist in as vaiper and have a god fan unit like that to spin it in lill better and mix with the air. and as for them falling abotu build a filter. hell make a cool air intake system for your ranger thats a big kick ass deal with a mister in it. makes yoru engine sound storng and u can move air lill better with out mister and fan u get maybe 10 hp out of it but with u get. maybe 15-25. depending on how u make it qand time it. well yeah thats compleatly differnt but those aint that good not the cheap ones any ways. just do as i say on that part if u want real power and most of all response it will snap your head in the small eninge that rangers have. or u can get a 5.0 out of a mustang liek i have been thinkign of buildign up one. well after im done with my other one im working on lol. im a crazy 18 year old that has crazy ideas that normally work hehe. but i know this one does i have done it for many of my freind and they pay me alot of money. sure there for ricers but these guys race every weekend and pay me alot of there moeny the make for husseling ppl cuz i hide the misters fo rhtem hehe. just think how u whould feal to pull up next to a 88 civc hatch back and look at it with no real mods to c ehe except cool air intake and exhaust hehe , then u get hosed it slik mahaha

[rcdickey]

Electric supercharging is very difficult but even automotive manufacturers are interested.
http://waw.wardsauto.com/ar/auto_visteon_eyes_electric