Turbo H22a hatch owns another DSM...

[PWMAN]

Originally Posted by BlackGT2000

"There's no replacement for displacement."

Haha that quote does not belong in a honda forum.

Really? Than why do I hear a lot in this forum about boring and stroking to get more cubes?
I do not have V8 mentality, isn't that obviously since I own a turbo 4 banger pushing 300 WHP? No replacement for displacement is 100% true. You guys turbo a 1.8L, 10 PSI and get 250-300 WHP out of it. Throw that 10 PSI at a 4.6L ford engine and watch 500 WHP come out. Throw 10 PSI at a decent 454 chevy and watch 800+ numbers pop out with ease, all with stock head castings and no major work done.. Obviously there are a lot of variables, a larger turbo is needed for the added displacement, ETC.
Same thing goes with N20, for some reason they think that is a replacement for displacement. Well, everything has to be the same with each engine...you throw a 100 shot at at B18 and say it makes as much power as a 4.6 ford, what the hell throw a 100 shot on that engine watch what happens.
Schister66- OK so you are running 12's, big deal. I can make an all motor 350 chevy V8 for HALF the money you have in your engine and car and make it run 11's. Build that engine for turbo, and run 9's for still less money than yours I 100% gaurantee it. It cost me about 6000 dollars to get my car where I'm at now, 300 WHP and low 12's on drag radials (I have an 8V head though, a 16 valve would make about 400 WHP with the same setup I have). Give me 4000 bucks and for a chevy 350 turbo build I can make atleast 800 HP with it. No it will not get good gas mileage, no it will not run very nice, but thats not the argument here. I'm talking about sheer power, there is no replacement for displacement, period.
You can make a mustang and camaro handle corners well also, although you will have a stiff ride. And LS1 camaro's have been known to get into the 20's MPG on the highway, 4.6 mustangs can too. I am not defending V8 cars to call 4 bangers crappy, again I own one myself and do not even own a V8. But a fact is a fact, it's easier to make bigger power with more displacement.

[Gohan Ryu]

Reviving an old thread is bad enough - turning it into an import vs. domestic battle is retarded.

[BlackGT2000]

Originally Posted by Schister66

Dont lie to yourself...you dont need a big engine to go fast. I dont have a V8 and i can still run in the 12's. Now i know what you're thinking..."blasphemy", but let me tell you, four and six cylinders can make good power if you do the right things to them. I dont conform to the V8 mentality and generally the ones who do are close-minded and ignorant. You can continue ranting ignorantly about V8 power and how my Japanese car is evil if you wish, but the fact is, i can get good gas mileage, make nearly 350whp (wheel horse power...fyi), take a corner and still keep resale value which is something that most American cars tend to lack.

If you have anything more to say about this subject, i suggest you keep it to yourself.

How was I "ranting ignorantly about V8 power and how your Japanese car is evil" Who ever said you weren't making power? You are just looking for an argument. Do you have some kind of napoleon complex because you have a fast 4 banger. I just spent near 20,000 on a Japanese car so I don't need to prove anything to you about my appreciation for a well designed car. Don't talk down to me and don't be a dick. I just thought it was ironic that "no replacement for displacement" was being used on a 2.2 liter motor. I didn't even say anything negative.

[BlackGT2000]

Originally Posted by PWMAN

Really? Than why do I hear a lot in this forum about boring and stroking to get more cubes?
I do not have V8 mentality, isn't that obviously since I own a turbo 4 banger pushing 300 WHP? No replacement for displacement is 100% true. You guys turbo a 1.8L, 10 PSI and get 250-300 WHP out of it. Throw that 10 PSI at a 4.6L ford engine and watch 500 WHP come out. Throw 10 PSI at a decent 454 chevy and watch 800+ numbers pop out with ease, all with stock head castings and no major work done.. Obviously there are a lot of variables, a larger turbo is needed for the added displacement, ETC.
Same thing goes with N20, for some reason they think that is a replacement for displacement. Well, everything has to be the same with each engine...you throw a 100 shot at at B18 and say it makes as much power as a 4.6 ford, what the hell throw a 100 shot on that engine watch what happens.
Schister66- OK so you are running 12's, big deal. I can make an all motor 350 chevy V8 for HALF the money you have in your engine and car and make it run 11's. Build that engine for turbo, and run 9's for still less money than yours I 100% gaurantee it. It cost me about 6000 dollars to get my car where I'm at now, 300 WHP and low 12's on drag radials (I have an 8V head though, a 16 valve would make about 400 WHP with the same setup I have). Give me 4000 bucks and for a chevy 350 turbo build I can make atleast 800 HP with it. No it will not get good gas mileage, no it will not run very nice, but thats not the argument here. I'm talking about sheer power, there is no replacement for displacement, period.
You can make a mustang and camaro handle corners well also, although you will have a stiff ride. And LS1 camaro's have been known to get into the 20's MPG on the highway, 4.6 mustangs can too. I am not defending V8 cars to call 4 bangers crappy, again I own one myself and do not even own a V8. But a fact is a fact, it's easier to make bigger power with more displacement.

You don't think its ironic that "no replacement for displacement" was being used to reference a 2.2 liter motor? I never said it wasn't fast. Everyone around here is so sensitive about their little motors, why? Its small, get over it. That doesn't mean it doesn't mean it doesn't have power.

[AudioGuy93DelSol]

Aye. This gets any more heated and It's getting locked. Keep it friendly or DO NOT post.

[PWMAN]

Originally Posted by Gohan Ryu

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Reviving an old thread is bad enough - turning it into an import vs. domestic battle is retarded.

My intention was not import vs domestic, if you think so than please just take it as me talking about my own car. That would make it domestic vs domestic then.

[PWMAN]

Originally Posted by BlackGT2000

You don't think its ironic that "no replacement for displacement" was being used to reference a 2.2 liter motor? I never said it wasn't fast. Everyone around here is so sensitive about their little motors, why? Its small, get over it. That doesn't mean it doesn't mean it doesn't have power.

Not when a hatch comes with 1.6. It's far easier to get the bigger power out of the bigger engine. The only case where it wouldn't be is that the H22 doesn't have near the aftermarket for it as something like a B18. But, if everything was equal on both engines, more cubic inches makes more power. Like I said, I own a 4 banger myself for fuel mileage mostly, and it's pretty fast. But I don't fool myself because I know any idiot can build an older nova with a chevy 350 and make 100 more HP than me for half the price I did it with and be faster than me not even turbo.

[Schister66]

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[BlackGT2000]

Originally Posted by PWMAN

Not when a hatch comes with 1.6. It's far easier to get the bigger power out of the bigger engine. The only case where it wouldn't be is that the H22 doesn't have near the aftermarket for it as something like a B18. But, if everything was equal on both engines, more cubic inches makes more power. Like I said, I own a 4 banger myself for fuel mileage mostly, and it's pretty fast. But I don't fool myself because I know any idiot can build an older nova with a chevy 350 and make 100 more HP than me for half the price I did it with and be faster than me not even turbo.

Well what you are saying is certainly correct, I certainly more than understand the concept of what you are saying. I was just being light hearted, I still think there is a certain degree of humor here. Come on.... yeah 2.2 liter no replacement for displacement....... not even a little funny sounding? I guess I give up if nobody else can find any humor in that. I was certainly not trying to offend anybody.

[Schister66]

Originally Posted by BlackGT2000

I was certainly not trying to offend anybody.

Well you did.....














but that's because i didn't read the rest of the thread....

[PWMAN]

Originally Posted by BlackGT2000

Well what you are saying is certainly correct, I certainly more than understand the concept of what you are saying. I was just being light hearted, I still think there is a certain degree of humor here. Come on.... yeah 2.2 liter no replacement for displacement....... not even a little funny sounding? I guess I give up if nobody else can find any humor in that. I was certainly not trying to offend anybody.

I understand where you are coming from, because 99% of the time you guys battle ''V8 only'' mentality. I was never offended, only a bit flustered because it seemed no one was getting the point of what I was saying! But like I said I understand why you were aggrivated because you thought I was just another one of those V8 only guys.

[BlackGT2000]

Originally Posted by PWMAN

I understand where you are coming from, because 99% of the time you guys battle ''V8 only'' mentality. I was never offended, only a bit flustered because it seemed no one was getting the point of what I was saying! But like I said I understand why you were aggrivated because you thought I was just another one of those V8 only guys.

Hey I am not out to argue, I love my V8s as well. I play both sides of this one.

[Schister66]

Originally Posted by BlackGT2000

Hey I am not out to argue, I love my V8s as well. I play both sides of this one.

that's a good way to be...i love my V8s too, but i dont have one because it isn't practical for me to have a 500whp V8 not only for insurance, but for gas mileage too....my GSR still gets about 25/35 mpg

[BlackGT2000]

Well I don't have one anymore either, I was having issues with it. I would certainly get another one in the future but the cost of maintenance was killing me. I traded it in on the 07 civic. Awesome car. Sure its not going to be as fast, but its certainly overall a better car in my opinion.

[Greenblurr93]

welcome to the dark side....