for the first time in my life

[MazdaX]

Originally Posted by defiancy

http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...42.html?page=1

Please read this.

Most of what you say is not true, at all.

Watch the Zeitgeist and be a little more informed on America's true corruption level and the bullshit cover ups. America has a filthy government and a permanently revolving depression for economy. America isn't as clean and great and free as everyone thinks it is.

Everything in one way or another is a form of brain washing and America has it the worst.
Declassified documents help a lot..

[MazdaX]

Originally Posted by steviek

I kinda hope there isn't a north american union. Don't get me wrong I like the states but I think we are just different then you guys and basically since you are more dominant in every aspect we would basically just end up being subjected to whatever you wanted and essentially we would lose our independence.

The whole world is the stage , not just north america...

[MazdaX]

Originally Posted by david-b

I think some people just overthink things. Ok, we don't have the best governement in place, but elections are coming up. Most people who complain about certain officials won't even register to vote, but they'll still complain about them. Now does that make sense?

I just sit back and barely even watch. Ya, we will have more attacks, but that's a given. It can and will happen anywhere. Our freedom is not at stake here, neither are out rights. Ya, I believe we shouldn't be in Iraq, but we are. it was a choice that was made. Yes, we get lied to, and yes it's wrong. But it's gonig to happen forever to try to "protect us" from the truth. I personally will sit back, have fun and enjoy what I do. I don't even watch the news because personally I don't care. All they do is talk about nothing. The media makes up such a huge hype over nothing. The West Nile virus is a great example. My mom won't go outside barely because she's afraid she's giong to get it. She got bit by a spider or something once, heard West Nile on TV and said her bump started itching all crazy and she couldn't stop worrying then. Different situation, but same thing eventually. The media spreads more info than they know and have, just so they can make a story. How many times do you hear about a big fire where theres many people dead, and it later turns out to be an abondoned outhouse or something? They rush to conclusions and "shape" the words that the politians are saying to mean something else.

The draft, although talked about bringing it back, will almost never come back. Unless there was a world war or we were taking attacks like the US was Iraq, there won't be one. The US would lose too much money from the tax payers leaving to get away from it. They would have no money, no citizens, and no soldiers. It's impossible for the US to turn from where we are now into a down-ward spiral and crash overnight. Should it be going down, it won't be a big enough change in our life time to see a big difference.

You do realize the U.S government and Federal Reserve ( Which owns fucking EVERYTHING ) profits the most during times of war right ?

[steviek]

well its certainly not the soldiers raking it in

[l_eclipse_l]

Originally Posted by MazdaX

The thing I find the funniest about most of the war starter ( twin towers , 9/11 , terrorism , etc. ) is the fact that they found all these Iraq guys passports on these plane crashed but the planes were damn near vaporized from the flash burn of the jet fuel...no bodies , barely any material besides balls of molten metal but somehow these passports survived in perfect condition.

Something about this dosn't sound right. To my knowledge, most of the terrorists involved in 9/11 were from Saudi Arabia, not Iraq. And there are a lot of reports that their government helped fund it. Yet we have a great relationship with the Saudi prince...I'm sure you can all guess why.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organiz...cted_hijackers

Originally Posted by MazdaX

You do realize the U.S government and Federal Reserve ( Which owns fucking EVERYTHING ) profits the most during times of war right ?

It's not the government that is profiting from this war, it is the PEOPLE running the government who are pocketing the profits. Haliburton is a great example. Our economy is in shambles and cash poor. Why do you think the FED lowered the prime interest rate 0.5%? To get Americans circulating money because they are starting to get the idea that if you just print more, it goes down in value...

[clipsekid99]

Originally Posted by MazdaX

Watch the Zeitgeist and be a little more informed on America's true corruption level and the bullshit cover ups. America has a filthy government and a permanently revolving depression for economy. America isn't as clean and great and free as everyone thinks it is.

Everything in one way or another is a form of brain washing and America has it the worst.
Declassified documents help a lot..

Trust me, I know. I've already seen Zeitgeist.

There is just so much secrecy and so many lies it's just sickening.

As for the government profiting from war, that is absolutely correct. Take a look at the company called Bechtel. If you wanna research it, first read about what the "public" company is, then REALLY research it and find out their involvements. There is a lot of info that can be found on Wikipedia, so it's a good search start.

If you have any trouble finding the "good" stuff, pm me.

Happy reading

[Blackcrow64]

Hmmm... I am learning even more than I knew before... This is slightly disturbing...


Damn it... I'm gonna get dragged back into the whole conspiracy phase I went through...

[MazdaX]

Originally Posted by Blackcrow64

Hmmm... I am learning even more than I knew before... This is slightly disturbing...


Damn it... I'm gonna get dragged back into the whole conspiracy phase I went through...

There is a lot of unsettling information about the governments and actually ownership of countries out there. Most are either blind , brainwashed or so caught up in 'American Glory' and have their heads up their asses to think for themselves and just believe anything published through media...What would it be like without TV and Internet.

Only things that bothers me is the fact during times of war mostly but at any point if they see fit or just want to screw someone over , the U.S. government has the right to seize all your assest and by all I do mean ALL if they think they need it which is bullshit and the Federal Reserve Act.

Everything was planned , executed and through both WW's , ties can be made between each country and the Federal Reserves..Funyn how the same company owned by a Fed. Reserve. was manufacturing and funding 2 sides of a war.

[MazdaX]

Originally Posted by l_eclipse_l

Something about this dosn't sound right. To my knowledge, most of the terrorists involved in 9/11 were from Saudi Arabia, not Iraq. And there are a lot of reports that their government helped fund it. Yet we have a great relationship with the Saudi prince...I'm sure you can all guess why.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organiz...cted_hijackers



It's not the government that is profiting from this war, it is the PEOPLE running the government who are pocketing the profits. Haliburton is a great example. Our economy is in shambles and cash poor. Why do you think the FED lowered the prime interest rate 0.5%? To get Americans circulating money because they are starting to get the idea that if you just print more, it goes down in value...

Did you know the top 10 profiting companies in iraq are american...

[Thor06]

I'm sorry dude, this is not a personal attack but I think you need to be more careful about where you get your info from.

First off, there is no way in hell we are profiting from this war. Where it may be true that the handful of poeple with companies over there are raking in maybe in the millions, thats a drop in the bucket to what we have going in there. Plus Iraq isnt exactly a developed nation especially at the moment, and I think we have a duty to help rebuild as we are the ones that blasted the fuck out of it in the first place. Neither the government, federal reserve, nor its officials are profiting from this war. Officials are payed a flat sum, Bush is getting no "conquering third world countries" bonus on his pay stub. Cheney's role in whatever company he was/is with is beside the point, besides there is no way a vice president of all things could start a war for a few extra bucks in his pocket. As for the government, remember we are deficit spending like a mother fucker to fund this war so by definition there will be no extra money (i.e. profit) coming in, infact its the opposite. Remember, this is a half trillion dollars we spent over there, Bechtel's supposed huge ass profit for its Iraqi contract is $34.6 million a maximum of $680 million (which is not pure profit mind you, expenses still have to come from that) and even if its maxed out, its still a mere .14% of what we have spent over there so far.

Though sometimes the government seems to not care about its constituents, they are not out to fuck you either. Why would people sit around and seize peoples shit just to do it? And why would they take someone's shit, which regardless of the person is VERY small in comparison to what they need, when they can just keep deficit spending like they are? Lets be real now, whether they have the power to or not, it doesnt matter because the good it would do for them is nothing.

Like I said, this is no personal attack, but much of what you say plays on emotions, is backed up by little or nothing, and makes no logical sense. Come on now dude, saying the federal reserve funded both sides of WWII? The Government flying planes into the TWC? A sidewinder missile getting shot at the pentagon and a plane magically appearing in the hole? Please tell me you dont really believe that bull shit. I'm not saying theres not a fishy thing or two going on in the government, but you guys are blowing it way out of proportion.

[defiancy]

Originally Posted by MazdaX

There is a lot of unsettling information about the governments and actually ownership of countries out there. Most are either blind , brainwashed or so caught up in 'American Glory' and have their heads up their asses to think for themselves and just believe anything published through media...What would it be like without TV and Internet.

Only things that bothers me is the fact during times of war mostly but at any point if they see fit or just want to screw someone over , the U.S. government has the right to seize all your assest and by all I do mean ALL if they think they need it which is bullshit and the Federal Reserve Act.

Everything was planned , executed and through both WW's , ties can be made between each country and the Federal Reserves..Funyn how the same company owned by a Fed. Reserve. was manufacturing and funding 2 sides of a war.

Sounds like instead of thinking for yourself, you bought into someone elses propaganda. You say think for yourself, but yet you reference an independent film for your ideas?

While I agree with you, certain parts of the US are profiting during this time of war. Halburton is a good example, or we can go with Blackwater. Heck, I'm sure there are certain politicians that are part of those companies or benefit greatly from those. But that is nothing new, it's call politics and it's been going on for a few thousand years now.Either way that like Thor said is not the goverment as a whole. You can see at any time the budget of the US and what exactly they are spending the nations money on. It's no great secret.

I do agree with what you said on the US govt being a secretive government. Of course it is, every government has it's secrets and most of the time I believe that the government has secrets for the benefit of it's citizens.

You can sit there and say that people are pawns, don't think for themself whatever. But simple fact is that people pay taxes. And it doesn't pay to piss of the people that pay the taxes to run the country. So I fail to see the government as this great big dark entity that conspiracy theorists like to say it is.

You make the point that the government could do this or that. Well I'm sure the government can do alot of things, that doesn't necessarily mean they do it. They could round all of us up and put us in camps if they wanted to. Is that likely to ever happen? No. But it's just about as likely to happen as the government coming and seizing all your property "because they need it".

Originally Posted by MazdaX

Did you know the top 10 profiting companies in iraq are american...

This is probably because those companies are over there supporting American troops, which happen to be the majority of the force over there. Not only that, the US government is the one helping Iraq rebuild their country, No crap all the reconstruction and support contracts are American, they certainly aren't going to give them to the French.

[MazdaX]

Thor and Defiancy , You guys have a lot to learn =)

No point in arguing with people though who's minds are closed to the possiblity that the government couldn't give two fucks about the people they govern or anything for that matter but money and tyranny + domination = Brainwashed.

[clipsekid99]

Hmmm this thread is turning downhill quite fast now....

[defiancy]

Originally Posted by MazdaX

Thor and Defiancy , You guys have a lot to learn =)

No point in arguing with people though who's minds are closed to the possiblity that the government couldn't give two fucks about the people they govern or anything for that matter but money and tyranny + domination = Brainwashed.

Who's minds are closed? So far all you have provided is weak arguments. To me it looks like you are the only one who is close minded by implying that your beliefs are absolute. I don't see the valid points in any of your arguments and you have provided no evidence to support any of your claims. Neither me nor Thor turned this into an ad homemin attack yet you have.

Insulting me and Thor because your argument is weak is laughable.

Understand, I have no personal problem with you, but if you aren't going to argue your point in a discussion forum, what was the point of saying anything in the first place?

[Shpyder]

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