Cadillac Sixteen - Page 2

SuPeRcAr_MaN · 01-11-2003, 02:42 PM

I don't think it is a bad looking car. It is huge, but then again, there is a V-16 under that massive hood. I don't think it will ever go into production, at least with that engine.

WakkaWu · 01-12-2003, 11:16 PM

Any reasoning why not?

SuPeRcAr_MaN · 01-13-2003, 09:41 PM

It is a V-16 with around 1000 HP. I just don't think GM would allow something like that out of the factory. I don't think it will ever go into production, and if it does, I'm not sure it will be popular. Do you know what the expected price range is on these things???
(Sorry if that isn't good reasoning, but where I live, cars with engines bigger than V6s are limited :flash: )

Jimster · 01-14-2003, 12:48 AM

I think it'd be too expensive to produce with out the price going sky-high

FYRHWK1 · 01-14-2003, 05:10 AM

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I think it'd be too expensive to produce with out the price going sky-high

at 250K i dont think it would take too long for them to break even, i believe i read it was an estimated 50M for them to produce it, and with rich people, collectors and agencis who rent them out buying it would eventually break even.
getting GM beancounters to swallow the fact that they wont make any money off it directly will be the big problem.

WakkaWu · 01-14-2003, 05:05 PM

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It is a V-16 with around 1000 HP. I just don't think GM would allow something like that out of the factory. I don't think it will ever go into production, and if it does, I'm not sure it will be popular. Do you know what the expected price range is on these things???

Were I live theres one person with a V-10 and its a Ford Super Duty.Where I live it usually doesnt get past 8 cylinders.But doesnt meen there not around.Go to NYC,theres Bentlys and Ferraris on every block.And same thing with Beverly Hills and L.A..Why?Because theres a lot of money in those citys and many other citys.And most of the prices on those cars excede well past 250 grand.GM is saying there is a very good chance that they will be made.And there not going to be very popular because there only going to make 1000 of them each year.

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I think it'd be too expensive to produce with out the price going sky-high

With GM being the largest auto manufacturer in the world I think it is safe to assume that they have plenty of money to make this car.

SuPeRcAr_MaN · 01-14-2003, 06:55 PM

Wekka, no kidding you go to a big city and there are going to be tons of V-12 cars around. Now about the car, I think it should go into production. GM needs to put some competitive cars out on the market. It is time for Cadillac to step ahead and make the great cars that they have been known for.

WakkaWu · 01-14-2003, 09:08 PM

Well said Supercar.Not to say that Cadillacs arent great cars but they have many more competitors than they did 50 years ago.

Hudson · 01-15-2003, 02:23 PM

I was at the introduction of the Sixteen and it is a marvelous car. It was the best concept car at the Detroit show.

GM said nothing about the car making it into production other than there's a possibility. Nobody's going to say that ANY vehicle could make it into production since 1989 when Chrysler introduced the Viper.

I don't have any affection for GM or Cadillac. I think Cadillac has become far to diluted since the 1930s. They were incredible cars then, and now they're just high-end Oldsmobiles and Buicks. For what they are, they're good cars but I have trouble lumping the current STS and Deville in with the Madam X and V16 cars of the 30s. They hardly belong under the same badge.

If Cadillac wants to ATTEMPT to get back to the "Standard of the World" claim they held decades back, they will need to build the Sixteen or something like it. If the Sixteen were produced, it would cost well in excess of $250,000 (a number I haven't heard anyone at GM actually mention). Production would be limited (and rightfully so) to a few hundred a year.

I can't see comparing the Bentley Continental GT to the Sixteen. The Bentley comes it at BELOW $200k and will be produced in volume (for a Bentley product). The Sixteen would be much more expensive and would be far more rare. It would make more sense to compare the Sixteen to the Rolls-Royce Phantom or Maybach 57/62. All of these are in the $300k range.

SuPeRcAr_MaN · 01-15-2003, 03:52 PM

It will definitely take Cadillac mroe than a couple of new models to push Cadillac up to Bentley's league. If they do realease the Sixteen and/or the Cien, it will be a step in pushing Cadillac up to the status they were decade's ago. They would be taking a step that every GM stem should be taking right now.

WakkaWu · 01-15-2003, 05:23 PM

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GM said nothing about the car making it into production other than there's a possibility. Nobody's going to say that ANY vehicle could make it into production since 1989 when Chrysler introduced the Viper

Theres a good chance it will go into production. So I read.

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I don't have any affection for GM or Cadillac. I think Cadillac has become far to diluted since the 1930s. They were incredible cars then, and now they're just high-end Oldsmobiles and Buicks. For what they are, they're good cars but I have trouble lumping the current STS and Deville in with the Madam X and V16 cars of the 30s. They hardly belong under the same badge.

What are you trying to say there?

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If Cadillac wants to ATTEMPT to get back to the "Standard of the World" claim they held decades back, they will need to build the Sixteen or something like it. If the Sixteen were produced, it would cost well in excess of $250,000 (a number I haven't heard anyone at GM actually mention). Production would be limited (and rightfully so) to a few hundred a year.

I read that if they do put it into production it will cost them about one-million dollars. And I also read that they will be making about 1000 a year if produced. But I agree with your last sentance. The less they make, the more rare they are, the more the people want them.

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It will definitely take Cadillac mroe than a couple of new models to push Cadillac up to Bentley's league. If they do realease the Sixteen and/or the Cien, it will be a step in pushing Cadillac up to the status they were decade's ago. They would be taking a step that every GM stem should be taking right now.

The Cien WILL not be made. GM anounced this a few months ago. All it will take for Cadillac to be up in Bently's league is the Sixteen.They make the Sixteen then there back to competitors of the very best.

SuPeRcAr_MaN · 01-15-2003, 09:29 PM

I disagree. When Cadillac releases the Sixteen, they will have just ONE car that is in Bentley status. You cannot put one model up against all of Bentley's and expect to be in their league.

WakkaWu · 01-15-2003, 10:55 PM

I see were your going at. But, the Sixteen is a Cadillac. Therefor the name Cadillac is in Bently's league. Thats how I see it.

Hudson · 01-15-2003, 11:47 PM

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Theres a good chance it will go into production. So I read.

Whatever you read was just conjecture. GM hasn't said ANYTHING about its chances to make production.

WakkaWu · 01-16-2003, 02:54 PM

Well Im not saying your wrong but how do you know this? And by the sounds of it Bob Lutz has great love for the Sixteen.

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