Info on the New H3

[Jaguar D-Type]

The Dakar Rally is a 5,600-mile race from Lisbon, Portugal to Dakar, Senegal.

[Elk]

Originally Posted by Jaguar D-Type

The Dakar Rally is a 5,600-mile race from Lisbon, Portugal to Dakar, Senegal.

Cool but it doesn’t mean much because unlike the H3 that won the Baja this vehicle doesn’t actually have anything in common with H3 people can buy from there local dealership.

[Jaguar D-Type]

That's true.

The owner of this H3 claims that he didn't bottom out even after doing it several times.

His website

http://www.golilm.com

[Jimster]

Originally Posted by G-man422

Hell yes it's made for off roading! The H2 isnt as good as the H1 granted, but the H2 is most deff. the 2nd best off roading machine out there that comes ready to go,.... stock!

Let's not get silly now.


The Jeep Grand Cherokee, Jeep Wrangler, Jeep Commander, Land Rover Discovery, Land Rover Defender, Range Rover, Mercedes Geladnewagen, Toyota Landcruiser, Toyota Landcruiser Amazon, Volkswagen Touareg and Nissan Patrol all eat the H2 for breakfast as far as offroading is concerned.


The H2 is about lineball with the Mitsubishi Pajero (Montero), Porsche Cayenne and Nissan Pathfider. (These cars are the next step down from those above)

[Elk]

Originally Posted by Jimster

Let's not get silly now.


The Jeep Grand Cherokee, Jeep Wrangler, Jeep Commander, Land Rover Discovery, Land Rover Defender, Range Rover, Mercedes Geladnewagen, Toyota Landcruiser, Toyota Landcruiser Amazon, Volkswagen Touareg and Nissan Patrol all eat the H2 for breakfast as far as offroading is concerned.

The Wrangler (and in some cases the G-Wangen) are only vehicles on your list that can out perform the H2. The rest of the vehicles you listed don’t have the approach or departure angles even close to the H2 and would easily get stuck on stuff that wouldn’t even touch the H2. In addition to that: The Grand Cherokee (Commander is just a Cherokee with a new body) can’t even make it up a muddy hill Video. All Land Rover tip-over on a 30 degree side slope wall all Hummers can do 40. The Toyota Landcruiser Amazon is the city SUV version of the Landcruiser, it doesn’t even have a locking rear diff. And I don’t even know why the Touareg is on your list, is it because of all those mag articles where the author drives it around on pavement and then wrights about how good VW said the Touareg is off-road?

[Jimster]

Originally Posted by Elk

The Wrangler (and in some cases the G-Wangen) are only vehicles on your list that can out perform the H2. The rest of the vehicles you listed don’t have the approach or departure angles even close to the H2 and would easily get stuck on stuff that wouldn’t even touch the H2. In addition to that: The Grand Cherokee (Commander is just a Cherokee with a new body) can’t even make it up a muddy hill Video. All Land Rover tip-over on a 30 degree side slope wall all Hummers can do 40. The Toyota Landcruiser Amazon is the city SUV version of the Landcruiser, it doesn’t even have a locking rear diff. And I don’t even know why the Touareg is on your list, is it because of all those mag articles where the author drives it around on pavement and then wrights about how good VW said the Touareg is off-road?

The Landcruiser Amazon is the European name for the full fat Landrcuiser you moron, the Land Cruiser is the European name for the Land Cruiser Prado. So just because an H2 can handle 10 more degrees on a side-sloped wall, that makes it better than the Land Rovers? So all other stuff is unimportant then?? Yeah right. Defenders have served the British army and farmers proudly for 40 years, H2's have served Sandra Soccermom and FIDDY CENT y0 in thier trek to the supermarket or GHETTO y0!

The Touareg is an excellent offroader, it's fully loaded for offroading (air suspension, triple skid plates, locking center and rear diff, water sealed doors, etc.) Since you think breakover angles are so important, the Touareg has a 28 degree breakover angle, that's more than an H2 (25 degrees), with apporach and departure angles only a small way off (about 3-4 degrees, hardly a big deal) Those are with the air supension optional on V6 and 5 Cylinder Turbo diesel, standard on V6 TDi, V8 and V10 TDi. Maybe if your head wasn't so far up the H2's ass you'd actually realise it's simply not as good as the VW.

But then who cares out big the rock or log that you can clear is, because there's so much more to offroading than that, things like: gearing, tires, torque bias, wheelbase, strength of parts, center of gravity (Where the H1 tripped up)- This is what most SUV's hold over the H2. Besides, the H2's shitty breakover angle makes its huge departure/approach angles not worth a shit.



None of these cars snap tie rods with extremely light rock-crawling either.... Also good luck offroading on those ridiculous "Bling Bling fiddy cent y0" baloon tyres....

[Elk]

Originally Posted by Jimster

The Landcruiser Amazon is the European name for the full fat Landrcuiser you moron, the Land Cruiser is the European name for the Land Cruiser Prado. So just because an H2 can handle 10 more degrees on a side-sloped wall, that makes it better than the Land Rovers? So all other stuff is unimportant then?? Yeah right. Defenders have served the British army and farmers proudly for 40 years, H2's have served Sandra Soccermom and FIDDY CENT y0 in thier trek to the supermarket or GHETTO y0!

It’s the city version of the Landcruiser, it’s the same one Toyota sells in the U.S. This is the off-road version: link You can get it with locking front and rear diffs and Toyota only sells it in some countries. And my point about Land Rovers is wall they have the same off-road stuff as the H2 there held back by the fact that there tippy.

Originally Posted by Jimster

The Touareg is an excellent offroader, it's fully loaded for offroading (air suspension, triple skid plates, locking center and rear diff, water sealed doors, etc.) Since you think breakover angles are so important, the Touareg has a 28 degree breakover angle, that's more than an H2 (25 degrees), with apporach and departure angles only a small way off (about 3-4 degrees, hardly a big deal) Those are with the air supension optional on V6 and 5 Cylinder Turbo diesel, standard on V6 TDi, V8 and V10 TDi. Maybe if your head wasn't so far up the H2's ass you'd actually realise it's simply not as good as the VW.

The H2 has an option air suspension. It comes standard with skid plates/steel tube protection under the H2 and steel tube rocker panel protection so it can slide in it’s side without taking damage. And locking center and rear diffs.
The Touareg’s breakover angle with out the air suspension is 22 degrees, with it’s 27.2. link And it’s approach and departure angles are 28.2/28.6 without the air suspension and 33.2/33.6 with.
The H2 with the air suspension has a 27.5 degree breakover. And it has a approach and departure angle of 40.8/39.6 without the air suspension and 42.8/40.0 with.

Originally Posted by Jimster

But then who cares out big the rock or log that you can clear is, because there's so much more to offroading than that, things like: gearing, tires, torque bias, wheelbase, strength of parts, center of gravity (Where the H1 tripped up)- This is what most SUV's hold over the H2. Besides, the H2's shitty breakover angle makes its huge departure/approach angles not worth a shit.

The H2 has 4.10:1 axles and 2.64:1 low gear, 35" tires, locking diffs, it’s long wheelbase is there to give it a 60 degree ascent/decent capacity (Touareg’s max is 45), it’s parts are strong they came form GM’s 3/4 ton trucks, Hummers more stable going up or driving on the side of a hill then any other SUV on the market.

Originally Posted by Jimster

None of these cars snap tie rods with extremely light rock-crawling either.... Also good luck offroading on those ridiculous "Bling Bling fiddy cent y0" baloon tyres....

Click on this link and then click on some of the links there and you will see pictures and video of H2s doing way more then light rock-crawling with out breaking anything. About the balloon tires. First the H2 got them because there good for off-roading they flex more which is good for traction, don’t get pinched between the ground and wheel causing a flat and keep the rim from getting damaged. Second the bling bling look is low-profile tires. Like what’s on the Touareg or Range Rover Sport.

[StickyMedia]

I nonetheless agree with that,But at least Americas Macho Hummer took part a very important lead not just the rough American roads anywhere like IRAQ and afghan

[StickyMedia]

Does Hummer deserves a vote as one of Americas greatest vehicle?