2001 lumina wont even turn over

[ctwright]

Originally Posted by jeffcoslacker

Really? Because it sounds like you just wanna run the show.

You missed things I wrote...rich may have missed things you wrote. No need to be calling people out over it.

You really wanna get in bad with two moderators over stupid shit like this?

No and I probably I guess owe an apology so I'm sorry. But there have been some threads I've tried to read before where like 10 people have said the exact same thing and it just takes extra time to go through and read everything because of it but yeah that was outta line so I'm sorry.

[jeffcoslacker]

Originally Posted by ctwright

No and I probably I guess owe an apology so I'm sorry. But there have been some threads I've tried to read before where like 10 people have said the exact same thing and it just takes extra time to go through and read everything because of it but yeah that was outta line so I'm sorry.

I appreciate that....and I understand what you are saying...

But it just happens. Some people don't read the entire postings or jump the gun before reading it all...

I do understand the importance of keeping the person working on the car on a linear track in diagnosis...you are correct there.

No harm, no foul. As you were

[manicmechanix]

Ctwright you gave some good advice. You got to understand sometimes people repeat what others said not to take away credit from the person who post the same info first. Sometimes you get to typing and you simply type up the same likely causes. It really just reinforces the first person's advice.

I tend to agree with you that the starters and batteries on a V6 would usually slip the serpentine belt at least some if a pulley was locked up. It would likely slip it while the engine was running too. A running V6 under load can even shred a belt.

But, maybe he has a weak battery and starter so like you and Rich said unhooking the belt and checking the pulleys would be a good idea. Rich gave some good advice for the guy to check what engine he had so we could get a better idea of what the problem might be. The 3100 was susceptable to broken camshafts somewhere around this year.

I simply figured the most likely scenario based on the guy's description. I was betting that the engine was probably siezed up and is probably a 3100. The original poster is not giving very good info. Now it seems he might have a 3800. No offense intended to the guy but if a person doesn't understand things like where the crank pulley is, a long ratchet, and breaker bar, they really should do some more reading before trying to fix cars IMO. I mean most guys with basic knowledge could tell a 3800 from a 3100 at a glance 10 feet away.

Anyway, on the 3800 Gen II (?) the engine's oil pump is driven off the crank I believe and it's less likely it would break and seize up. Even if he has a 3800, something could be siezed up though. The 3800 engines also has a balancer shaft.

[lostwolf]

ok so i do have a 3100 engine, according to the 8th leter on my vin.


now i cant even crank the damnable thing, security light flashing and when i turn the key brakes light comes on?!

how do i reset the anti-theft crap?

[manicmechanix]

Originally Posted by lostwolf

ok so i do have a 3100 engine, according to the 8th leter on my vin.


now i cant even crank the damnable thing, security light flashing and when i turn the key brakes light comes on?!

how do i reset the anti-theft crap?

This car should have passlock II so it won't disable the starter even if the theft security sets. It will reset its self with the key in ON for 10 mins.

[lostwolf]

left key in ON for well over 30 minutes (forgot about it...) and still flashing security light

[manicmechanix]

Originally Posted by lostwolf

left key in ON for well over 30 minutes (forgot about it...) and still flashing security light

Did you check if the motor will turn over by hand yet? Several posters went through the trouble of explaining all that. I'm starting to think you are clowning around. The things you are saying don't really add up. Forget about the theft light for now. As I said it, it won't keep the starter from cranking the engine anyway. Find out if the engine will even rotate and if it it sound in the first place.

[richtazz]

Originally Posted by lostwolf

ok so i do have a 3100 engine, according to the 8th leter on my vin.


now i cant even crank the damnable thing, security light flashing and when i turn the key brakes light comes on?!

how do i reset the anti-theft crap?

Please explain what you mean by you can't crank the thing. Do you mean by hand or by turning the key to start? Threads like this are very frustrating because you the OP won't directly answer any of the advice, so everyone keeps speculating.

Ctwright, thanks for the apology, although you may want to watch how you address a moderator's response in the future. Not all mods are as easy going as me, luckily I don't take myself too seriously. My advice was mostly reiterating what you had said (except I suggested trying the starter where you said to roll it by hand) because the OP hadn't responded. I have seen many a locked up serp belt driven accessory stop the starter from turning the engine over, and that is what I was getting at.

[lostwolf]

ok well i dont have a 1/2" driver (what my niegbor, a mechanic, said id need to turn the engine by hand.) so fa this is where im at.

batter has been fully charged, serp belt is off, and anti-theft is engaged (triggered?)

cranking by key : security light blinking, turning key causes "brakes" light to come on, no sound at all from engine.used to make a solid click from the starter.

im not kidding around, i've just been very busy recently, im struggling to get by as is. and i need this car working, but im starting to think its a lost cause...

hmmmm, i cant think of too much else to put in here.

i did try connecting the ignition and the soliniod wires with a pair of pliers, and the starter whirred loosly for about 3 seconds, is that bad?

[richtazz]

I think your security light issue is what is keeping the starter from turning with the key. Most GM vehicles 99-newer disable both the fuel pump and starter circuits when the security is tripped.

If you pull the spark plugs out, you should be able to easily roll the engine over by hand with a regular ratchet. With the plugs in, you're fighting against engine compression and would need a 1/2" drive breaker bar.

When you jump the starter solenoid, you have to jump from the big battery post to the small "s" terminal. If you jump from the battery post to the wire that comes out of the end of the starter motor, the drive won't engage and all it will do is spin.

[merit4242]

i own a 98 lumina and i somtimes have the same problem with the security light if it is blinking the car will not start it is part of the pass key system if the light is blinking it is telling the starter and the fuel pump to shutdown so try going in your fuse box and removing the anti theft fuse for like 5 mins and then re install it that may help your problem and for it not wanting to turn over the other guys here are right if the harmonic balancer will not turn with a breaker bar then it is internal as for the cam shaft they are also right ...as i have snapped mine once already bad news is if that is the case and your freind kept driving it you might as well pull the engine and get a used one cause he would have made the camshaft journal spin and make the engine worthless Sorry