North Korea

Are North Korea's recent nuke and missile tests simply sabre rattling, or do you think that they will actually use them?

IMO if the President was smart he'd be talking with China, since they have been allies, or at least in close contact with N Korea for the last 50+ years.

I think it's not so much "saber rattling" as it's just a temper tantrum. "looky looky, we have nukes. why isn't anyone paying attention to us?" After spending millions on nuclear arms R+D while starving their own people I guess they need to some one recognize their "great achievements".

I read that their populace is so starved that 25% of boys may be shorter than their fathers and ineligible for military service due to malnutrition.

I think Kim is due for a long burn here. Surprising that such a feeble person is so respected in a country like that. My God, most 8th US 8th graders could beat the tar out of that waste of life. Hopefully our president who prefers "just talking" to everybody can make something of this. Beh, I am so upset with this government (not the fact it is democratic, give me Bill Clinton anyday over this!) that I could puke. I would love to see Kim die in the most horrific, long-lasting way possible.

. why isn't anyone paying attention to us?"
At this point, this is the best stratagy... the world should ignore Kim and refuse to play his game.

Conciliation has failed to work. Kim simply breaks deals, over and over again, regardless of what is offered.

It has been suggested that Kim has a certain logic behind his unpredictable behaviour, that is, his grip on power is tenuous and his actions are more intended to shore up his internal support. Ignoring him, and refusing to make any more deals might just topple his regime..... and I do not think his replacement could be any worse.

Any kind of military attack by the West would simply send about a million NK troops into SK, and would open up a huge can of worms. If, in the very unlikely chance that NK nukes anyone, the West must bomb NK military and government installations into glass and occupy the country.... (which would also open a huge can of worms). If they don't, every other rogue nation would seek this as Western weakness.

Any kind of military attack by the West would simply send about a million NK troops into SK, and would open up a huge can of worms. If, in the very unlikely chance that NK nukes anyone, the West must bomb NK military and government installations into glass and occupy the country.... (which would also open a huge can of worms). If they don't, every other rogue nation would seek this as Western weakness.

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How do you selectively bomb only North Korea's military and government installations into glass without using nukes or causing collateral damage? IMO a conventional bombing campaign or even using special warheads (i.e. - nukes) on NK won't work. NK's air defenses are very formidable. Also, NK's troops are concentrated on the DMZ and our's right on the opposite side of the 38th parallel.

And as far as using nukes in retaliation possible but highly unlikely. Basic Military/Soldiering 101........ you can't occupy hot territory. :grinno:

And as far as using nukes in retaliation possible but highly unlikely. Basic Military/Soldiering 101........ you can't occupy hot territory. :grinno:


But....we don't want to OCCUPY N Korea, we want to stop them from using another nuke. If they actually use one it will be apparent that they just don't get detente or MAD.

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How do you selectively bomb only North Korea's military and government installations into glass without using nukes or causing collateral damage? IMO a conventional bombing campaign or even using special warheads (i.e. - nukes) on NK won't work. NK's air defenses are very formidable. Also, NK's troops are concentrated on the DMZ and our's right on the opposite side of the 38th parallel.

And as far as using nukes in retaliation possible but highly unlikely. Basic Military/Soldiering 101........ you can't occupy hot territory. :grinno:
Perhaps I should have been more specific.
Using nukes does not mean you have to level an entire city. Tactical, small-scale nukes exist, and have for decades. They are designed for this kind of limited use. Yes, they would be less precise than more modern instruments, but they would have a bigger bang and send the appropriate nuclear deterrent message to other rogue nations or organizations.

If Kim is ever able to deploy compact nuke warheads on reliable missiles or aircraft, such smaller nukes should be deployed on SK soil, primarily as a deterrent.

Imo I do not think NK nukes are the primary threat. More realistically, is the risk NK using an artillery bombardment of Seoul, since it's just a few miles from the DMZ. They have thousands of installations, enough to (supposedly) send 300,000 to 500,000 conventional shells per hour. How the hell do you knock out those before Seoul is leveled?

Perhaps I should have been more specific.
Using nukes does not mean you have to level an entire city. Tactical, small-scale nukes exist, and have for decades. They are designed for this kind of limited use. Yes, they would be less precise than more modern instruments, but they would have a bigger bang and send the appropriate nuclear deterrent message to other rogue nations or organizations.

To start you are limited by range on low yield tactical battlefield nuclear weapons and their effectiveness on nuclear hardened and fortified positions. Many of the NK troops especially command and control are in deep underground bunkers and tunnels from the DMZ going back into N. Korea about 150 miles. Next there are no longer any tactical battlefield nuclear weapons in South Korea. They along with any bigger or higher yield nukes were removed back in the early 1990s so it is a moot point. The Op Plan for delivery of nukes will be by submarine, long/short range bombers and cruise/ballistic missiles. Lastly to knock out the hardened installations and positions you will need a higher yield warhead around 50-100 kilotons which would cause a major issue with radioactive fallout affecting the enemy and friendlies.


If Kim is ever able to deploy compact nuke warheads on reliable missiles or aircraft, such smaller nukes should be deployed on SK soil, primarily as a deterrent.

All Kim is doing is sabre rattling and looking for attention. If he was capable of accurately or reliably delivering any nuclear payload then he would have done it. :2cents:

NK will only fall into line if the Chinese actually want them to. Right now, NK is worth more to them as a buffer to having a pro western nation on their borders.

You want to motivate China to do something? Wait for Japan to decide that they need nukes because North Korea has them.













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To start you are limited by range on low yield tactical battlefield nuclear weapons and their effectiveness on nuclear hardened and fortified positions. Many of the NK troops especially command and control are in deep underground bunkers and tunnels from the DMZ going back into N. Korea about 150 miles. Next there are no longer any tactical battlefield nuclear weapons in South Korea. They along with any bigger or higher yield nukes were removed back in the early 1990s so it is a moot point. The Op Plan for delivery of nukes will be by submarine, long/short range bombers and cruise/ballistic missiles. Lastly to knock out the hardened installations and positions you will need a higher yield warhead around 50-100 kilotons which would cause a major issue with radioactive fallout affecting the enemy and friendlies.



All Kim is doing is sabre rattling and looking for attention. If he was capable of accurately or reliably delivering any nuclear payload then he would have done it. :2cents:
Boy i sure hope not!!

NK will only fall into line if the Chinese actually want them to. Right now, NK is worth more to them as a buffer to having a pro western nation on their borders.

You want to motivate China to do something? Wait for Japan to decide that they need nukes because North Korea has them.
I second that motion.
All this talk of nukes dont seem plausible to me.Noone wants to let one
of these things fly.

I second that motion.
All this talk of nukes dont seem plausible to me.Noone wants to let one
of these things fly.

No sane individual does, anyway. It's crazy bastidges like Kim and Ahmadinejad
we need to keep an eye on. :runaround: