Illegal Aliens Caught on Trail Cams

Interesting videos taken by cameras hidden on the Arizona border.

http://www.borderinvasionpics.com

Here's another reason why illegals should be shot and buried in the desert:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/09/16-illegals-sue-arizona-rancher/

The funny things is, since I worked landscaping I have had the opportunity to work with countless illegals and they told me how they make it across. They described how they stole various things from ranchers in order to make it through the harsh climate...even said they had to drink from a horse water tank for water on a guy's ranch. I guess it wouldn't be illegal to put foot traps all over your property would it? :D

Here's another reason why illegals should be shot and buried in the desert:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/09/16-illegals-sue-arizona-rancher/

He won that case.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=89295

They got a ruling for "emotional damages", but it's in appeal now.

I agree, though; if he had shot them all and buried them in a far corner of his ranch, no one would know the difference. However, these people are human beings, even if they are breaking the law.

We stopped in Jamestown, NY on Friday and had dinner in a mexican restaurant. The owner was white, a US citizen, but the kitchen help and wait staff were all hispanic. The food was as authentic as any I've had in Mexico.

Were they all illegals? Well, "hablas Ingles" definitely wasn't a high priority, so that might have been a clue. They were doing their jobs OK, but they all looked like scared rabbits to me. I'm a pretty stern looking guy even under ideal circumstances, so they could have been afraid I was ICE since I was checking all of them out pretty closely.

I have mixed feelings about all of this. Part of me is hard core and says shoot them all and let God sort them out, but the other part feels some sympathy for people who are risking their lives to come here to be safe and have a better life. I know we'll all have opinions across the spectrum on this one.

Maybe the bigger issue is immigration reform, but how do we propose to screen, classify, and track over 13 million and counting, and how do we get business owners to do the right thing and comply with the law when they can save a lot of money by doing it under the table?

Plus, do we have an obligation to refuse to patronize these establishments, or even call ICE and have them pay a visit to them?

Here's another reason why illegals should be shot and buried in the desert:




A lil bit harsh don't you think? Even though I don't agree with coming here illegally, I'd still feed them and give them clean water. They don't deserve to suffer.

A lil bit harsh don't you think? Even though I don't agree with coming here illegally, I'd still feed them and give them clean water. They don't deserve to suffer.

It's not too harsh if you live in a city near the Mexican border. You'll give food and water to the first few thousand illegals that you catch stealing from you, but when thousands more follow and they continue to steal from you and destroy your property, and it continues to happen over a period of several decades and the government won't (or can't) do anything about it - you'll start to realize that humanity is wasted on these parasites and shooting them and burying them in the desert becomes a good option. Especially when you consider that when most of them can't find the American jobs they believed are in abundance, they turn to crime.

No, they don't deserve to suffer for their crimes, and they don't deserve to suffer just because they were born in f*cked up Mexico. Just kill them quick and be done with it.

If it happened more often....fewer would come. If this place aint comfortable for them, maybe they will just stay put.

It's not too harsh if you live in a city near the Mexican border.

I do. I now live in Sahaurita,AZ. It's just outside of Tucson.



No, they don't deserve to suffer for their crimes, and they don't deserve to suffer just because they were born in f*cked up Mexico. Just kill them quick and be done with it.

The way how I was brought up is that we show mercy to anyone, even to our enemies. However, I cannot control what they do. If I help them, it could change there hearts and maybe will not steal from me. Or maybe they will but that doesn't mean I shouldn't help them. Maybe they're not as civilized as most people, so they may need direction. They steal because they're desperate and there mentality is that they think or know that no one will help them. They do it because they're afraid to get deported back to Mexico. You're not doing America a favor with your suggestion. You're making yourself look barbaric.

If it happened more often....fewer would come. If this place aint comfortable for them, maybe they will just stay put.

No that will not stop them. If you know how bad Mexico is, they're willing to do anything to come to US. They do recognize the consequences of doing so.

They steal because they're desperate and there mentality is that they think or know that no one will help them. They do it because they're afraid to get deported back to Mexico. You're not doing America a favor with your suggestion. You're making yourself look barbaric

I know I sound barbaric, it's the best way to deal with barbarians.

I have a different opinion about what their mentality is. Their mentality is "no one else matters but me" and "if I commit a serious crime here I can go back to Mexico and get immunity" and "it doesn't matter if what I do harms others if it serves my own purpose". I doubt that they even consider how their actions will affect others.

If I help them, it could change there hearts and maybe will not steal from me. Or maybe they will but that doesn't mean I shouldn't help them.Yeah, me too:shakehead But then I'll call INS and turn them in. If you thought I really meant it when I said shoot them and bury them...all I can say is don't take everything you read so literally.

I have no delusions about "changing their hearts", however. They will accept your charity with one hand and steal your wallet with the other, then they'll get drunk and rape your daughter. They take, then they take some more, and if you stop giving to them they'll steal, lie, and cheat to get what they want. I've worked for federal assistance programs and have seen the elaborate lengths these people go to to commit welfare fraud, credit card fraud, identity theft...stealing from the people whose taxes are paying their free meal ticket.

If they would come to this country and at least attempt to make new lives for themselves I would be more than happy to welcome them. But instead they come here and try to turn America into Mexico. They turn good neighborhoods into crime ridden barrios and they live the same way they did in Tijuana. There are many government assisted education programs available to them but they're not here to learn. I've visited a few of those ESL classes and they are pitifully empty considering the millions of illegals that are here. It's much easier and more likely for them to steal a car stereo than to get an education to become employable. They don't even bother to learn our language.

And in reality, despite my barbaric nature, I don't condone killing people. I'm not angry as my post suggests. In fact I find it hilarious that those illegals sued for $32 million. MALDEF truly does have their heads shoved up their rectums.

In fact I find it hilarious that those illegals sued for $32 million. MALDEF truly does have their heads shoved up their rectums.

Agreed. They spent enough on legal fees alone and got slapped in the process. Sadly, it's only a matter of time before the courts will side with the illegals. He has to deal with a steady flow of border jumpers across his land and they trash it pretty well.

And the feds don't seem to mind at all... :headshake

In fact, they will intervene if you try to take care of it yourself. Look at Hazleton, PA. This link gives a little info. http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/002992.html That problem has been brewing for a while.

http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/cat_hazleton.html Look through his archives to see some of the issues.

We have family friends in Hazleton, who are administrators in the school district there. It's pretty bad. The illegals have crapped all over that town and stretched resources beyond their limits in some areas.

No that will not stop them. If you know how bad Mexico is, they're willing to do anything to come to US. They do recognize the consequences of doing so.

They only come here because the bleeding hearts make it possible for them. If it was unpleasant to come here...ie they got their asses handed to them, they would stop. When Mexico looks safer, and less painful, they will stay in their own damn back yards and cut their own damn grass.

Yeah, me too:shakehead But then I'll call INS and turn them in. If you thought I really meant it when I said shoot them and bury them...all I can say is don't take everything you read so literally.



I'm not. I know that you're only expressing but still the comment was uncomfortable.

I'm not. I know that you're only expressing but still the comment was uncomfortable.
Uncomfortable?!? So freaking what? I don't want the people sneaking into my country illegally to BE AT ALL COMFORTABLE! Screw them!

I know that you're only expressing but still the comment was uncomfortable.

:crying:

Gohan, look what you did. You need to get in touch with your sensitive side, ya ill-mannered lout.

Uncomfortable?!? So freaking what? I don't want the people sneaking into my country illegally to BE AT ALL COMFORTABLE! Screw them!

I think we have much bigger issues than illegals. What I meant by his comment being uncomfortable was that it was harsh.

Here's a successful illegal immigrant story that a friend of mine met in person since they're both neuro surgeons...

http://www.wbaltv.com/family/11177318/detail.html?rss=bal&psp=news

:crying:

Gohan, look what you did. You need to get in touch with your sensitive side, ya ill-mannered lout.

Great! :thumbsup:

Here's a successful illegal immigrant story that a friend of mine met in person since they're both neuro surgeons...


Ah, yes. The end justifies the means, eh? It's a slippery slope at best.

Almost 14 million illegals and counting, and we only get one brain surgeon out of the bunch? Doesn't sound too cost effective to me. :dunno:

If his story is even true. It could be hard to prove/disprove, since he broke the law to get here and there might not be enough legal records to back up his early history. It makes a really nice news centerpiece for La Raza and MALDEF, though.

Ah, yes. The end justifies the means, eh? It's a slippery slope at best.

Almost 14 million illegals and counting, and we only get one brain surgeon out of the bunch? Doesn't sound too cost effective to me. :dunno:

If his story is even true. It could be hard to prove/disprove, since he broke the law to get here and there might not be enough legal records to back up his early history. It makes a really nice news centerpiece for La Raza and MALDEF, though.


The point is (which I think you missed it), is that we shouldn't generalize and give them a chance to say the least. Yeah my fam came here legally with going through the system and I could say this isn't fair because Mexicans coming here without going through the legal system but givin under the circumstances, Mexico is a hell hole for the less fortunate ones. I think US gov't should enforce them to get education if they want to be citizens here, just as they do with the refugees.

The point is (which I think you missed it), .......

I understood your point; I simply disagree with it. I maintain that it's a slippery slope, and it's precisely what causes the problems we face now with respect to immigration and 13 million + illegal aliens in this country.

AFAIC, one brain surgeon does not negate illegal behavior, nor does it justify looking the other way, even in his case. The fact remains, he broke the law to get here.

Perhaps my sense of ethics is less elastic than yours? :dunno:

I can agree, in part, that present immigration policy might have problems and may need revamping, but we still have to deal with the drain on our resources at present. We also need to enforce our existing laws until such point as we do see fit to amend them.

Gohan, look what you did. You need to get in touch with your sensitive side, ya ill-mannered lout.

Does this mean the email I got about being nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize is a scam? :frown: All they want is a $500 processing fee!

Here's a successful illegal immigrant story that a friend of mine met in person since they're both neuro surgeons...

http://www.wbaltv.com/family/11177318/detail.html?rss=bal&psp=news

That's a great story. Unfortunately for every 1 success story there a thousand stories like this one:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1878747/posts
http://www.kgw.com/news-local/stories/kgw_091608_news_countryman_guilty_plea.8239bb19.ht ml

These two criminals were caught and brought to justice, but there are hundreds more cases like this where the criminals fled to Mexico and the Mexican gov't won't allow extradition.

I think we have much bigger issues than illegals.

What bigger issues do you mean? Americans aren't raping and murdering Mexicans, we're not going to their country and creating a blight on their communities...we're only trying to keep them from entering our country illegally. What issues do we have besides the fact that we oppose the rape and murder of 15 year old girls?

Does this mean the email I got about being nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize is a scam? :frown: All they want is a $500 processing fee!

Well, I didn't want to rain on your parade .............................

What issues do we have besides the fact that we oppose the rape and murder of 15 year old girls?

The 10 year olds really set us off, though. :banghead:

http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/03/04/ddn030408policeheadlinesrapist.html

Child rapist sentenced to life

Tuesday, March 04, 2008

DAYTON — A judge on Monday sentenced a Dayton man to life in prison for raping a 10-year-old girl.

Adrian Garcia-Garcia, 23, pleaded guilty Feb. 11 to rape and one count of importuning a child under 13.
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Judge A. J. Wagner of Montgomery County Common Pleas Court sentenced Garcia-Garcia to life on the rape and five years on the importuning charge.

Authorities deported Garcia-Garcia to Mexico in August 2007 because he was in this country illegally.

He returned to Dayton about a month later and moved in with his girlfriend, according to county Prosecutor Mathias Heck Jr.

On Oct. 22, Dayton police were called to Childrens Medical Center on a report of a child rape. The investigation led to Garcia-Garcia's arrest and conviction.

Seems like a waste of a perfectly good jail cell to me. Bullets don't cost much.

What bigger issues do you mean? Americans aren't raping and murdering Mexicans,



No but Americans have high rates of rape domestic voilence and murdering there own relatives (children murdering there parents and vice versa) etc...

Am I right?

I think we have much bigger issues than illegals. What I meant by his comment being uncomfortable was that it was harsh.

Here's a successful illegal immigrant story that a friend of mine met in person since they're both neuro surgeons...

http://www.wbaltv.com/family/11177318/detail.html?rss=bal&psp=news
I don't give a shit about ANY successful ILLEGAL aliens. They are illegal....THEY AUTOMATICALLY FAIL!!

Bigger issues?!? Okay if you have a house of cards and you remove cards from any point....the house will fall. Sure there are other issues, but there are also many important issues. Illegal aliens is an issue of the utmost importance. It deals with NATIONAL SECURITY. We need to seal our boarders. If you try to get into ANY other country you will find it MUCH more difficult.

No but Americans have high rates of rape domestic voilence and murdering there own relatives (children murdering there parents and vice versa) etc...

Am I right?
No you are LEFT! Those issues have NOTHING to do with the issue of illegals.

No but Americans have high rates of rape domestic voilence and murdering there own relatives (children murdering there parents and vice versa) etc...


Are you saying that it's OK to break the law initially to enter the country, then commit more crime once you're here, since the citizens of this country commit crimes? :eek7:

That's messed up. No way anybody's going to agree with that.

This guy is SWORN to enforce the laws of the land. Just look at the list of liberal anal pores who think it is necessary to investigate him for doing what he has sworn to do!!

Justice Dept. Investigates Arizona Sheriff for Enforcing Immigration Law
Thursday, March 12, 2009
By Penny Starr, Senior Staff Writer

(CNSNews.com) - The Department of Justice (DOJ) has launched an investigation of the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office in Arizona following requests by congressional Democrats and allegations by liberal activists that the department has violated the civil rights of illegal aliens.

Reps. John Conyers (D-Mich.), Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.), Zoe Lofgren (D-Calif.), and Robert Scott (D-Va.) requested the investigation, and activists groups such as National Day Laborer Organizer Network and ACORN launched petition drives and rallies in support of the probe.

The investigation focuses on Sheriff Joe Arpaio and dozens of officers under his command who were trained through the Department of Homeland Security's Immigration and Customs Enforcement's Agreements of Cooperation in Communities to Enhance Safety and Security (ACCESS), which partners federal and local law enforcement to enforce immigration laws. (The Homeland Security’s Immigration and Customs Enforcement division is known popularly as ICE.)

In a letter dated March 10, 2009, Loretta Smith, acting assistant attorney general at the DOJ, detailed what her department would be investigating:

"This is to inform you that the United States Department of Justice is commencing an investigation of the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office (''MCSO'') pursuant to the pattern or practice provisions of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994,42 U.S.C. §14141 ("Section 14141") and the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968,42 U.S.C. § 3789d ("Safe Streets Act"), and pursuant to the prohibitions against national origin discrimination in Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964,42 U.S.C. §§ 2000d to 2000d-7 ("Title Yr') and the Safe Streets Act, 42 U.S.C. § 3789d(c)."

http://cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=44899

Yeah, I saw that, too. That sheriff does a great job and his constituents are quite happy with his performance.

This government is bound and determined to undermine us and our stability. They bend over for groups like ACORN at every turn.

Civil rights for illegals. If they stayed on the other side of the border, they'd be just fine. :screwy:

No but Americans have high rates of rape domestic voilence and murdering there own relatives (children murdering there parents and vice versa) etc...

Am I right?

I don't know, are you right? What are your sources? Obviously they're committing rape and murder in Mexico - where do you hear that it happens more in the US than in other places? And if it does happen more in the US, why does that mean we should let illegals into our country? What does one have to do with the other?

Either way - all countries have their own criminals to deal with. The US gets the added bonus of dealing with Mexico's criminals who come mixed in with the millions of illegals. And we have no records of these criminals. No birth certificates, no state ID's, nothing. They are here anonymously and we have no way of knowing who or where they are.

No but Americans have high rates of rape domestic voilence and murdering there own relatives (children murdering there parents and vice versa) etc...

Am I right?

Pretty scary place, man. Maybe you should go to a safer place.

I don't know, are you right? What are your sources? Obviously they're committing rape and murder in Mexico - where do you hear that it happens more in the US than in other places? And if it does happen more in the US, why does that mean we should let illegals into our country? What does one have to do with the other?

Either way - all countries have their own criminals to deal with. The US gets the added bonus of dealing with Mexico's criminals who come mixed in with the millions of illegals. And we have no records of these criminals. No birth certificates, no state ID's, nothing. They are here anonymously and we have no way of knowing who or where they are.


Ok I see your point and 03cavPA's point as well. You're both right and I was not thinking of the consequences of letting these illegals in.

Pretty scary place, man. Maybe you should go to a safer place.

Yup. Dubai it is....:rolleyes:

Adios! You'll be missed. ...but not much.

Do we need border security or not, and does Obama care enough to do anything?

Hezbollah Smuggling Across U.S.-Mexican Border

America’s porous southern border is an entry point for more than Mexican cartels and their illegal drugs — the Iranian-backed Lebanese group Hezbollah has been smuggling drugs and people into the U.S. as well.

Hezbollah has long been involved in narcotics and human trafficking in South America, and is now using the same routes into the U.S. that the Mexican cartels use for smuggling, according to an exclusive report in The Washington Times.

The group relies on “the same criminal weapons smugglers, document traffickers, and transportation experts as the drug cartels,” said Michael Braun, who recently retired as assistant administrator and chief of operations at the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration. “They work together. They rely on the same shadow facilitators. One way or another, they are all connected,” he said.

Hezbollah, which fought a 34-day war with Israel in 2006, funds its operations in part from a large Lebanese Muslim diaspora, and some of that funding comes from criminal enterprises.

Salim Boughader Mucharrafille, a Mexican of Lebanese descent, was arrested in 2002 for smuggling 200 people, including Hezbollah supporters, into the U.S. He was sentenced last year to 60 years in a Mexican prison. But the cross-border flow of drugs and people has intensified since the U.S. reduced access to the country by air and water following the 9/11 terrorist attacks. And the drug wars between the cartels have claimed the lives of more than 8,000 people since January 2008, destabilizing Mexico along the border and prompting President Barack Obama to send additional agents there.

Adm. James Stavridis, commander of U.S. Southern Command, recently told a House committee that the connection between drug traffickers and “Islamic radical terrorism” is a growing threat to the U.S. Braun said members of the Quds force of Iran’s Revolutionary Guards have been operating in South America and “could be commanding and controlling Hezbollah’s criminal enterprises from there.”
And a senior U.S. defense official said that in addition to Hezbollah,
al-Qaida could also use the Mexican cartels’ trafficking routes to smuggle operatives into the U.S.

“The Mexican cartels have no loyalty to anyone,” another official told the Times. “They will willingly or unknowingly aid other nefarious groups’ [entry] into the U.S. through the routes they control. It has already happened. That’s why the border is such a serious national security issue.”

i hate how they want you to speak spanish to get a job here come on this is america people. i looked at the right to work posters and they are in spanish too. stop making everything in english an spanish that should help. and another thing is they need to do more aboout the ones already here not just stop them from coming here:slap:

I think the Arizona rancher is a hero. Before you jump down my throat, because:

The way things are right now, they are crossing the border illegally. No problem whatsoever IMO that someone comes here to make a better life, just do it the legal way.

If the system changes and allows open borders, then it will be fine. But for now, things are the way they are and the rancher is only protecting his own property. Did anyone read the entire article? Trash 10" thick on his trails. Vehicles stolen, house broken into. He even put a spigot on his water tank so they could have some - at no charge.

Why did he give insults? Hmm, maybe because he was outnumbered 14 to 1 and had to control the trespassers with whatever means he had at his disposal? He would have been within his rights had a US citizen been trespassing on his land. This is a BS case and illegals in the act of committing a crime on foreign soil should have no rights to sue a citizen of the country they're invading.

Apologies if this has already been hashed to death.

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Apologies if this has already been hashed to death.

Nope. I agree with you. If the feds won't police the border and he's left to defend his own land, then so be it. It's his property.

The activists would like very much for all of us to stop talking about it and hope it will go away so they can keep coming across the border until they all get amnesty.

I wouldn't lose any sleep if he shot them all and buried them in a pit filled with the trash they've left on his land. If they stayed home, he wouldn't have to deal with them.

Nope. I agree with you. If the feds won't police the border and he's left to defend his own land, then so be it. It's his property.

The activists would like very much for all of us to stop talking about it and hope it will go away so they can keep coming across the border until they all get amnesty.

I wouldn't lose any sleep if he shot them all and buried them in a pit filled with the trash they've left on his land. If they stayed home, he wouldn't have to deal with them.

Problem is...that if you're nice to a group, the word doesn't spread. And if you are nasty to a group, then word only spreads in the US but not to future groups south of the border. There's just no communication or continuity, every group is its own new entity and has to be treated as such.

Obama Reverses Bush Rule: Illegals Now Get Lawyers

WASHINGTON -- Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. yesterday overturned a Bush administration ruling in January that immigrants do not have a constitutional right to effective legal counsel in deportation proceedings.

In vacating the decision his predecessor, Michael B. Mukasey, issued two weeks before President George W. Bush left office, Holder restored one of the most common grounds cited by immigrants for appealing removal orders: that their attorneys were incompetent.

The nation's immigration courts are separate from the judicial branch and operate under the Justice Department, which makes the U.S. attorney general the final arbiter for immigration proceedings. Immigrants are not entitled to public defenders but can hire their own lawyers. Immigrants can appeal deportation rulings to the federal court system, and thousands have, relying on legal precedent established by the immigration courts in 1988 and reaffirmed in 2003.

However, during Bush's second term, the Justice Department argued in the federal courts that neither the Constitution nor any federal law or regulation "entitles an alien to a do-over if his initial removal proceeding is prejudiced by the mistakes of a privately retained lawyer," as Mukasey wrote.

The Bush Justice Department argued successfully in recent years against that right, winning decisions covering the U.S. Courts of Appeals for the 4th and 8th circuits. If there is no constitutional right to counsel in immigration cases, there is no such right to effective counsel, Mukasey ruled. Source (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/03/AR2009060303499.html?nav=rss_nation/special)