Outlawing "After Market" Auto Parts!
CL8
02-15-2009, 02:44 AM
In the state of Oregon, the legislature is proposing to ban the sale of auto parts to put on your vehicle, including but not limited to racks for bikes, skis and other things AND certain tires! In the link below go to section 3, part "d" All in the name of the "made-up" global warming!
http://www.legislativesolutions.com/text/2009orhb02186i.pdf
http://www.legislativesolutions.com/text/2009orhb02186i.pdf
BNaylor
02-15-2009, 10:29 AM
Real scientific. :screwy:
Another liberal state gone wild. I'm curious to see a detailed list of all aftermarket parts being referred to in the bill. I'm glad I don't live in Oregon.
Another liberal state gone wild. I'm curious to see a detailed list of all aftermarket parts being referred to in the bill. I'm glad I don't live in Oregon.
VR43000GT
02-15-2009, 11:46 AM
Real scientific. :screwy:
Another liberal state gone wild. I'm curious to see a detailed list of all aftermarket parts being referred to in the bill. I'm glad I don't live in Oregon.
Or Cali for that matter. There is not a chance in hell that would ever get passed here.
Another liberal state gone wild. I'm curious to see a detailed list of all aftermarket parts being referred to in the bill. I'm glad I don't live in Oregon.
Or Cali for that matter. There is not a chance in hell that would ever get passed here.
BNaylor
02-15-2009, 12:37 PM
Or Cali for that matter.
:lol:
There are some other green states we can add to the list. The "Green Weenies" will try anything to push their liberal agenda.
SEMA is vehemently opposed to the bill and urges the following:
Source: SEMA
URGENT LEGISLATIVE ALERT
Oregon Introduces Bill to Prohibit Sale of Aftermarket Parts
At the request of Governor Theodore Kulongoski, the Oregon Speaker of the House has introduced legislation (H.B. 2186) to prohibit the sale and distribution of aftermarket motor vehicle parts if alternatives are available that “decrease greenhouse gas emissions from motor vehicles.” The bill is primarily focused on aftermarket tires and would authorize the Environmental Quality Commission to implement enforcement regulations, likely based on a rolling resistance calculation.
We Urge You to Contact Oregon Speaker of the House Dave Hunt and Members of the Environment and Water Committee (Contact Information Below) Immediately to Request Their Opposition to H.B. 2186
* H.B. 2186 would regulate vehicle fuel economy, an authority reserved to the federal government.
* H.B. 2186 could ban tires that may have improved performance, handling or appearance features, based solely on a rolling resistance rating. In addition, this program could easily distract consumers from focusing on more important safety issues such as tire inflation and overloading of vehicles.
* H.B. 2186 would force consumers to purchase only original equipment manufacturer (OEM) tires because the program essentially exempts OEM-selected tires and unfairly implies that they are superior to aftermarket products.
* H.B. 2186 could prohibit aftermarket parts designed to either personalize or optimize specific vehicle performance attributes including handling, towing, suspension, fuel economy, etc.
* H.B. 2186 provides broad authority to government regulators and could limit a range of aftermarket parts currently available to consumers based on the subjective determination of government regulators.
DON’T DELAY! Please contact Oregon Speaker Dave Hunt and the House Environment and Water Committee immediately to urge his opposition to H.B. 2186.
http://www.semasan.com/main/main.aspx?id=62515
:lol:
There are some other green states we can add to the list. The "Green Weenies" will try anything to push their liberal agenda.
SEMA is vehemently opposed to the bill and urges the following:
Source: SEMA
URGENT LEGISLATIVE ALERT
Oregon Introduces Bill to Prohibit Sale of Aftermarket Parts
At the request of Governor Theodore Kulongoski, the Oregon Speaker of the House has introduced legislation (H.B. 2186) to prohibit the sale and distribution of aftermarket motor vehicle parts if alternatives are available that “decrease greenhouse gas emissions from motor vehicles.” The bill is primarily focused on aftermarket tires and would authorize the Environmental Quality Commission to implement enforcement regulations, likely based on a rolling resistance calculation.
We Urge You to Contact Oregon Speaker of the House Dave Hunt and Members of the Environment and Water Committee (Contact Information Below) Immediately to Request Their Opposition to H.B. 2186
* H.B. 2186 would regulate vehicle fuel economy, an authority reserved to the federal government.
* H.B. 2186 could ban tires that may have improved performance, handling or appearance features, based solely on a rolling resistance rating. In addition, this program could easily distract consumers from focusing on more important safety issues such as tire inflation and overloading of vehicles.
* H.B. 2186 would force consumers to purchase only original equipment manufacturer (OEM) tires because the program essentially exempts OEM-selected tires and unfairly implies that they are superior to aftermarket products.
* H.B. 2186 could prohibit aftermarket parts designed to either personalize or optimize specific vehicle performance attributes including handling, towing, suspension, fuel economy, etc.
* H.B. 2186 provides broad authority to government regulators and could limit a range of aftermarket parts currently available to consumers based on the subjective determination of government regulators.
DON’T DELAY! Please contact Oregon Speaker Dave Hunt and the House Environment and Water Committee immediately to urge his opposition to H.B. 2186.
http://www.semasan.com/main/main.aspx?id=62515
thegladhatter
02-15-2009, 01:34 PM
Real scientific. :screwy:
Another liberal state gone wild. I'
You could not be more correct on that!
But watch for much more of that kind of nonsense as the messiah continues his reign in the Whitehouse. The nutsacks will get more and more daring with their crap!
Another liberal state gone wild. I'
You could not be more correct on that!
But watch for much more of that kind of nonsense as the messiah continues his reign in the Whitehouse. The nutsacks will get more and more daring with their crap!
HotZ28
02-15-2009, 02:45 PM
And Al says, way to go Oregon!
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/986/algoresmugts5.jpg
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/986/algoresmugts5.jpg
03cavPA
02-15-2009, 03:41 PM
He looks more like Stan Laurel every day. He just needs a bowler hat and some fat guy to smack him around.:lol2:
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The PELOSI Mobile?
Congressional Motors Announces The First Car for 2012, The Pelosi
It's in the way you dress. The way you boogie down. The way you sign your unemployment check. You're a man who likes to do things your own way. And on those special odd-numbered Saturdays when driving is permitted, you want it in your car. It's that special feeling of a zero-emissions wind at your back and a road ahead meandering with possibilities. The kind of feeling you get behind the wheel of the Pelosi GTxi SS/Rt Sport Edition from Congressional Motors.
All new for 2012, the Pelosi GTxi SS/Rt Sport Edition is the mandatory American car so advanced it took $100 billion and an entire Congress to design it. We started with the same reliable 7-way hybrid ethanol-bio diesel-electric-clean coal-wind-solar-pedal power plant behind the base model Pelosi, but packed it with extra oomph and the sassy styling pizzazz that tells the world that 1974 Detroit is back again -- with a vengeance.
We've subsidized the features you want and taxed away the rest. With its advanced Al Gore-designed V-3 under the hood pumping out 22.5 thumping, carbon-neutral ponies of Detroit muscle, you'll never be late for the Disco or the Day Labor Shelter. Engage the pedal drive or strap on the optional jumbo mizzenmast, and the GTxi SS/Rt Sport Edition easily exceeds 2016 CAFE mileage standards. At an estimated 268 MPG, that's a savings of nearly $1800 per week in fuel cost over the 2011 Pelosi.
Even with increased performance we didn't skimp on safety. With 11-point passenger racing harnesses, 15-way airbags, and mandatory hockey helmet, you'll have the security of knowing that you could survive a 45 MPH collision even if the GTxi SS/Rt were capable of that kind of illegal speed.
But the changes don't stop there. Sporty mag-style hubcaps and an all-new aggressive wedge shape designed by Congressional Motors Chief Stylist Ted Kennedy slices through the wind like an omnibus spending bill. It even features an airtight undercarriage to keep you and a passenger afloat up to 15 minutes -- even in the choppy waters of a Cape Cod inlet.
Available in a rainbow of color choices to match any wardrobe, from Harvest Avocado to French Mustard. Inside, a luxurious all-velour interior designed by Barney Frank features thoughtful appointments like an in-dash condom dispenser. A special high capacity hatchback holds up to 300 aluminum cans, meaning fewer trips to the redemption center. And the standard 3 speaker Fairness ActoPhonic FM low-band sound system means you'll never miss a segment of NPR again.
Best of all, the Pelosi GTxi SS/Rt is made right here in the U.S.A. by fully card-checked unionized workers and Detroit's famous visionary jet-set managers. Even if you don't own one, you can enjoy the patriotic satisfaction that you're supporting the high wages, good benefits, and generous political donations that are once again making the American car industry the envy of the world.
But why not buy one anyway? With an MSRP starting at only $629,999.99, it's affordable too. Don't forget to ask about dealer incentives, rebates, tax credits, and wealth redistribution plans for customers from dozens of qualifying special interest groups. Plus easy-pay financing programs from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
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G-man422
02-15-2009, 03:50 PM
Global warming is a natural occurance. If they want to make a real difference the hippies would capture the gasses released by cows, smoke some pot and think of some ingeniuse idea of how to power cars with it.
ericn1300
02-15-2009, 07:04 PM
Oregon's laws are nuts. Self serve gas stations are illegal there. It is illegal to pump your own gas but they don't seem to have any full service stations.
You have to hand over your credit card to a minimum wage geek who pops it into the pump and dispenses the gasoline with the inflated price of his labor included but if you want the windshield cleaned, and the oil level or tire pressure checked you still have to get out of the car and do it yourself.
You have to hand over your credit card to a minimum wage geek who pops it into the pump and dispenses the gasoline with the inflated price of his labor included but if you want the windshield cleaned, and the oil level or tire pressure checked you still have to get out of the car and do it yourself.
CL8
02-15-2009, 07:53 PM
You could not be more correct on that!
But watch for much more of that kind of nonsense as the messiah continues his reign in the Whitehouse. The nutsacks will get more and more daring with their crap!
You're right, it might only be in Oregon now, but you bet Obama and his cohorts would love this legislation nationwide!
Notice in section 4 It says it's needed for the "immediate" preservation of peace, health, safety and that an emergency exists!
SECTION 4. This 2009 Act being necessary for the immediate preservation of the public peace, health and safety, an emergency is declared to exist, and this 2009 Act takes effect on its passage.
Excuse me, but the only emergency that exists out here in Oregon regarding "greenhouse" gas emissions is the lies spewed about it by the liberal democrats.
Our peace, health and safety are being eroded by these liberal control freaks!
Also if you look at the unemployment fact sheet for Oregon, unemployment is going up, and always higher than the national average!
This will make it climb even higher, putting tire dealers and auto parts store out of business!
http://www.employment.oregon.gov/EMPLOY/FastFacts.shtml
But watch for much more of that kind of nonsense as the messiah continues his reign in the Whitehouse. The nutsacks will get more and more daring with their crap!
You're right, it might only be in Oregon now, but you bet Obama and his cohorts would love this legislation nationwide!
Notice in section 4 It says it's needed for the "immediate" preservation of peace, health, safety and that an emergency exists!
SECTION 4. This 2009 Act being necessary for the immediate preservation of the public peace, health and safety, an emergency is declared to exist, and this 2009 Act takes effect on its passage.
Excuse me, but the only emergency that exists out here in Oregon regarding "greenhouse" gas emissions is the lies spewed about it by the liberal democrats.
Our peace, health and safety are being eroded by these liberal control freaks!
Also if you look at the unemployment fact sheet for Oregon, unemployment is going up, and always higher than the national average!
This will make it climb even higher, putting tire dealers and auto parts store out of business!
http://www.employment.oregon.gov/EMPLOY/FastFacts.shtml
CL8
02-15-2009, 08:00 PM
Oregon's laws are nuts. Self serve gas stations are illegal there. It is illegal to pump your own gas but they don't seem to have any full service stations.
You have to hand over your credit card to a minimum wage geek who pops it into the pump and dispenses the gasoline with the inflated price of his labor included but if you want the windshield cleaned, and the oil level or tire pressure checked you still have to get out of the car and do it yourself.
Some stations, especially Chevron, will clean your windsheild for you.
One time I got free gas because I said only 5 or 10 bucks, but he filled it!!! :grinyes:
You have to hand over your credit card to a minimum wage geek who pops it into the pump and dispenses the gasoline with the inflated price of his labor included but if you want the windshield cleaned, and the oil level or tire pressure checked you still have to get out of the car and do it yourself.
Some stations, especially Chevron, will clean your windsheild for you.
One time I got free gas because I said only 5 or 10 bucks, but he filled it!!! :grinyes:
thrasher
02-16-2009, 05:54 PM
Oh man, I sure hope they don't find out about my corvette. Just about the only stock part on it is the body :lol2::grinyes:
CL8
02-17-2009, 12:37 AM
Oh man, I sure hope they don't find out about my corvette. Just about the only stock part on it is the body :lol2::grinyes:
Are you in Oregon?
Are you in Oregon?
ExoticSpotting
02-18-2009, 06:20 PM
Is this really a global warming issue, or is it just a veiled attack on street racers?
It's common knowledge that many aftermarket parts like air intakes and lightweight body panels actually improve gas mileage.
But hey, they're politicians, they don't need 'common sense'.
It's common knowledge that many aftermarket parts like air intakes and lightweight body panels actually improve gas mileage.
But hey, they're politicians, they don't need 'common sense'.
CL8
02-19-2009, 10:14 PM
Is this really a global warming issue, or is it just a veiled attack on street racers?
It's common knowledge that many aftermarket parts like air intakes and lightweight body panels actually improve gas mileage.
But hey, they're politicians, they don't need 'common sense'.
I think we need to educate them.
It's really a way to just get more power.
The voters are the ones who need to be educated on who to vote for!
It's common knowledge that many aftermarket parts like air intakes and lightweight body panels actually improve gas mileage.
But hey, they're politicians, they don't need 'common sense'.
I think we need to educate them.
It's really a way to just get more power.
The voters are the ones who need to be educated on who to vote for!
YogsVR4
02-28-2009, 11:50 AM
I think these politicians go out of there way to 'one up' each other on their stupidity. :banghead:
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xeroinfinity
02-28-2009, 12:12 PM
I has heard something simular to this in Indiana last fall when I was at a part store. They wanted me to sign something to stop this from happening here.
As if you couldnt buy parts on the internet from just about anywhere. :lol: Politicians have all the brains. :grinno:
As if you couldnt buy parts on the internet from just about anywhere. :lol: Politicians have all the brains. :grinno:
CL8
03-01-2009, 01:18 AM
I has heard something simular to this in Indiana last fall when I was at a part store. They wanted me to sign something to stop this from happening here.
As if you couldnt buy parts on the internet from just about anywhere. :lol: Politicians have all the brains. :grinno:
The sad thing is, when they figure that out, they will make it against the law to even have those parts, no matter where you bought them!:shakehead
As if you couldnt buy parts on the internet from just about anywhere. :lol: Politicians have all the brains. :grinno:
The sad thing is, when they figure that out, they will make it against the law to even have those parts, no matter where you bought them!:shakehead
xeroinfinity
03-02-2009, 01:37 PM
The sad thing is, when they figure that out, they will make it against the law to even have those parts, no matter where you bought them!:shakehead
Yeah I could see that happening.
But if someone does have aftermarket stuff, that isnt on the outside, you'd be safe untill someone pops the hood.
IMO this wont happen anyway, to many parts dealers out there who will fight it all the way.
I guess the thing I heard last year wasnt just about parts, it was also about stopping the public from working on thier own rides. Now that's something I could see the stealerships pulling to rake in some extra money.
Always someone somewhere trying to start a revolution... :disappoin
Yeah I could see that happening.
But if someone does have aftermarket stuff, that isnt on the outside, you'd be safe untill someone pops the hood.
IMO this wont happen anyway, to many parts dealers out there who will fight it all the way.
I guess the thing I heard last year wasnt just about parts, it was also about stopping the public from working on thier own rides. Now that's something I could see the stealerships pulling to rake in some extra money.
Always someone somewhere trying to start a revolution... :disappoin
VR43000GT
03-02-2009, 03:34 PM
You won't take me alive on letting someone else work on my car. NEVA!
BNaylor
03-02-2009, 04:30 PM
They can pry my aftermarket parts and mods out of my cold dead hands. I'm still glad I do not live in Oregon, California or other green weenie states. And I could care less if they are CARB approved.
The part of the bill on tires is really dumb and inane. :screwy:
The part of the bill on tires is really dumb and inane. :screwy:
CL8
03-02-2009, 04:54 PM
Yeah I could see that happening.
But if someone does have aftermarket stuff, that isnt on the outside, you'd be safe untill someone pops the hood.
IMO this wont happen anyway, to many parts dealers out there who will fight it all the way. I hope not, but the same government mindset has detroyed the lumber industry out here even with people fighting it.
I guess the thing I heard last year wasnt just about parts, it was also about stopping the public from working on thier own rides. Now that's something I could see the stealerships pulling to rake in some extra money.
Always someone somewhere trying to start a revolution... :disappoin
I take it you are referring to "Public transportation" Yes here in Portland they do everything they can to make it hard to drive your own vehicle so you will take Public transit.:puke:
But if someone does have aftermarket stuff, that isnt on the outside, you'd be safe untill someone pops the hood.
IMO this wont happen anyway, to many parts dealers out there who will fight it all the way. I hope not, but the same government mindset has detroyed the lumber industry out here even with people fighting it.
I guess the thing I heard last year wasnt just about parts, it was also about stopping the public from working on thier own rides. Now that's something I could see the stealerships pulling to rake in some extra money.
Always someone somewhere trying to start a revolution... :disappoin
I take it you are referring to "Public transportation" Yes here in Portland they do everything they can to make it hard to drive your own vehicle so you will take Public transit.:puke:
xeroinfinity
03-02-2009, 05:06 PM
yeah my states not a greenweenie, yet! :lol:
Indiana doesnt even have inspections any more.
Indiana doesnt even have inspections any more.
old_master
03-02-2009, 06:46 PM
As mentioned earlier, keeping these idiots out of elected positions requires "educating the voters before the election".
The problem with that is... the majority of the voters are un-educatable, (is that a word???), that's how http://i561.photobucket.com/albums/ss58/cwhook/Clueless.gif got where he is. He's like a turtle on a fence post: noone knows how he got there and he sure as hell didn't get there by himself.
The problem with that is... the majority of the voters are un-educatable, (is that a word???), that's how http://i561.photobucket.com/albums/ss58/cwhook/Clueless.gif got where he is. He's like a turtle on a fence post: noone knows how he got there and he sure as hell didn't get there by himself.
CL8
03-02-2009, 07:08 PM
yeah my states not a greenweenie, yet! :lol:
Indiana doesnt even have inspections any more.
Before Obama leaves office it will probably be as green as Oregon is now!:eek: (and Oregon will be even greener!)
The one thing I absolutely HATED traveling through Indiana was those toll turn pikes getting on the freeway! At least in Oregon you don't have to carry $5.00 in change just to get on I5!:cwm27:
Indiana doesnt even have inspections any more.
Before Obama leaves office it will probably be as green as Oregon is now!:eek: (and Oregon will be even greener!)
The one thing I absolutely HATED traveling through Indiana was those toll turn pikes getting on the freeway! At least in Oregon you don't have to carry $5.00 in change just to get on I5!:cwm27:
thegladhatter
03-02-2009, 08:37 PM
The one thing I absolutely HATED traveling through Indiana was those toll turn pikes getting on the freeway! At least in Oregon you don't have to carry $5.00 in change just to get on I5!:cwm27:
Fortunately Indiana only has a few toll roads. But, you get out on the country roads and you can drive forever without a curve. Corn on one side of the road....beans on the other.
Up in the nw part of the state they used to grow a lot of hemp during the war. When I was in high school I recall seeing pot growing for as far as the eye could see. for years after they quit growing the stuff it was just growing wild. They couldn't kill it as weeds are hard to get rid of completely. Ah the joys of youth! I wonder if it still is a big thang up there.
Now THAT'S what you call GREEN!
Fortunately Indiana only has a few toll roads. But, you get out on the country roads and you can drive forever without a curve. Corn on one side of the road....beans on the other.
Up in the nw part of the state they used to grow a lot of hemp during the war. When I was in high school I recall seeing pot growing for as far as the eye could see. for years after they quit growing the stuff it was just growing wild. They couldn't kill it as weeds are hard to get rid of completely. Ah the joys of youth! I wonder if it still is a big thang up there.
Now THAT'S what you call GREEN!
xeroinfinity
03-02-2009, 10:41 PM
Before Obama leaves office it will probably be as green as Oregon is now!:eek: (and Oregon will be even greener!)
The one thing I absolutely HATED traveling through Indiana was those toll turn pikes getting on the freeway! At least in Oregon you don't have to carry $5.00 in change just to get on I5!:cwm27:
I dont mind being a green state, Im sure it would save us tons-O-ca$h! I mean I do what I can, recycle/reuse, though I wouldnt go outa my way to pay more for something "green".
And why does it cost so much to be or build green, when most of the products used are recylced(free) ? :screwy: Isnt American Great ! At least we have a choice, for now.:shakehead
Yeah I dont see many toll roads around here, just interstates. Been on more toll roads in Kentucky then up here. Though they all do suck! Its been a long time since Ive seen one, just remember paying to get on them, and paying agian when we got off. :banghead: It was a great highway with no police! :naughty:
The one thing I absolutely HATED traveling through Indiana was those toll turn pikes getting on the freeway! At least in Oregon you don't have to carry $5.00 in change just to get on I5!:cwm27:
I dont mind being a green state, Im sure it would save us tons-O-ca$h! I mean I do what I can, recycle/reuse, though I wouldnt go outa my way to pay more for something "green".
And why does it cost so much to be or build green, when most of the products used are recylced(free) ? :screwy: Isnt American Great ! At least we have a choice, for now.:shakehead
Yeah I dont see many toll roads around here, just interstates. Been on more toll roads in Kentucky then up here. Though they all do suck! Its been a long time since Ive seen one, just remember paying to get on them, and paying agian when we got off. :banghead: It was a great highway with no police! :naughty:
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