Not much changed here in Idaho

The presidential vote went 62% McCain 36% Obama. One seat in the U.S. House was lost to a Demo but the Republicans won Sen. Larry Craig's open seat, which will have to be washed thoroughly before seating the new senator, I'm sure.

On the state level, no change. They're going back with the same margins, and the same animosities, and nothing good will get done. Again. Wish we had some Americans here in this state rather then the party loyalists, voting blindly for their party and ignoring the good of the people.

So How did it go in you're state, anything progessive?

Well that's Idaho for you.

Colorado actually voted for Obama, after voting for Bush the past two terms. Surprised me.

Here in Georgia some people are frothing at the mouth - just in tears over electing a "communist" and a "socialist" - but as a friend said, what they're really mad about and won't say is that they're mad he's a "nigger" ~ gotta love the backwards south.

Well that's Idaho for you.

Colorado actually voted for Obama, after voting for Bush the past two terms. Surprised me.

Here in Georgia some people are frothing at the mouth - just in tears over electing a "communist" and a "socialist" - but as a friend said, what they're really mad about and won't say is that they're mad he's a "nigger" ~ gotta love the backwards south.

I believe they call it "elitist" now.

Well that's Idaho for you.

Colorado actually voted for Obama, after voting for Bush the past two terms. Surprised me.

Here in Georgia some people are frothing at the mouth - just in tears over electing a "communist" and a "socialist" - but as a friend said, what they're really mad about and won't say is that they're mad he's a "nigger" ~ gotta love the backwards south.

Sounds like your friend ate paint chips as a child. That is one thing I am looking forward to seeing for at least the next 4 years...any criticism on Obama will lead to countless people pulling out the, "race card." :crying:

And to ericn; you don't think those people voted Republican because they thought that is what was right? And maybe the fact they voted that way is the strongly believe in conservative ideologies. What about those who always vote Democrat? They must just be voting blind. :rolleyes: No, they probably have a strong moral stance on the more liberal ideologies. Yes, while I am Republican, I do like some conservative politicians more than others, but will go with a conservative cadidate almost every time because that is where my morals stand. How about worrying about what you can do to make this a better place rather than posting another complaint you have with US voters. It's nothing we haven't heard from you already. In all honesty, you have the most redundant posts on here.

As far as my state goes, it went Republican agian but was very close.

And to ericn; you don't think those people voted Republican because they thought that is what was right? And maybe the fact they voted that way is the strongly believe in conservative ideologies. What about those who always vote Democrat? They must just be voting blind. :rolleyes: No, they probably have a strong moral stance on the more liberal ideologies.

QFT.

The Democrats have always been too liberal for my values. I voted for some Republicans and some Independents, but no Democrats.

That's the new American philosophy.
If you agree with me, you're an open-minded, worldly, concerned citizen who voted based on what you think it best for everyone,
If you disagree with me, you're a closed-minded, bigoted, irresponsible lemming who gives no thought to what's best for everyone.

Some people vote differently than you, but for the exact same reasons. 90% (created stat) of the time agreeing on the issue is a given, it's agreeing on the solution that causes a bit of trouble.

It's ok to disagree, as long as you can approach the other side of the argument rationally and try to understand (even if you won't agree with) their point of view on the subject. I promise you if you REALLY do this, your mind will get changed on a great many subjects. At least, mine did.

QFT.

The Democrats have always been too liberal for my values. I voted for some Republicans and some Independents, but no Democrats.

This post made me :lol2:

Sounds like your friend ate paint chips as a child. That is one thing I am looking forward to seeing for at least the next 4 years...any criticism on Obama will lead to countless people pulling out the, "race card." :crying:

If I were in Colorado and somebody had said that, I'd have thought he was kidding. This guy by the way is an ex-marine and quite conservative, did not vote for Obama. But thought it was obvious and amusing because he knows some of the people who were boohooing to be quite racist.

It may be hard for you to believe, but yes - there are still a lot of racists out there. Another much older person I know complained that most of his family voted for McCain just because he was white...

Oh, but since you don't know these people at all, just discount them, they're only playing the "race card" and obviously are retarded from eating paint chips as children.

Which would you guess is larger?
The percentage of white McCain voters who voted just because he's white or the percentage of black Obama voters who voted just because he's black?

No Bloke, that is not the problem I had, the problem I had was generalizing the south that way. Yeah, you are right, there are racist, but generalizing a section of our country to be racist, or anything else for that matter shows a lack of education and class...regardless who said it be it a Marine, conservative, hippy, or liberal. Don't throw words in my mouth saying that I will discard any racism but there will in fact be times it will be pulled out when it is completely irrelavant. I stand by my comment.

As to your question whttrspunk, I would believe it would be blacks voting for Obama. I will try and see if I am right by digging up a link later that may have some backing to it. However, the reason I say this is because on CNBC they said they had more African Americans vote in one state (though I forget which one) this election than any other election before including not just one but ALL combined total of all 50 states. African Americans in US history were one of the least likely race of groups to vote but had quite a turnout this year.

No Bloke, that is not the problem I had, the problem I had was generalizing the south that way. Yeah, you are right, there are racist, but generalizing a section of our country to be racist, or anything else for that matter shows a lack of education and class...

No, I think it just shows I've lived a lot of places. I don't think I'm incorrect in making a generalization of that sort. I'm not stereotyping and saying all southerners are racist - just that there are still many racists in the south east. And yes, there were/are people who were upset that a black man beat a white man.

This post made me :lol2:

Glad to be of service. We do what we can. Unless, of course, you think having values is a bad thing. :dunno:

but as a friend said, what they're really mad about and won't say is that they're mad he's a "nigger" ~ gotta love the backwards south.

My apologies then, I guess in this quote I missed the part where you didn't generalize the entire south.

Listen, I don't care, it is what it is. I am just saying I can't stand how often the race card is played these days when it has nothing to do with anything in many circumstances.

And to ericn; you don't think those people voted Republican because they thought that is what was right?

Both of the political machines are good at brain washing, of course the people who voted straight party lines “ thought that is what was right”. Do you think that is right SL3000gt?

I don't think I'm incorrect in making a generalization of that sort.

I guess you must have missed the part where I didn't claim to not be making a generalization.

I do agree the race card is played way too often, but also keep in mind it can swing both ways.

Both of the political machines are good at brain washing, of course the people who voted straight party lines “ thought that is what was right”. Do you think that is right SL3000gt?

In what way? I guess if you were to pay no attention to the candidate/s or what they had to say, and took in the fact that they may be some outlandish radical, then yes. But I feel that most of those people probably followed the election at least partialy to stay somewhat informed. Regardless of how you vote.

I guess you must have missed the part where I didn't claim to not be making a generalization.

Funny, I missed the part where I said it was you that said it. :rolleyes:
I'm still on the subject of your friend. ;)

My family all voted for John McCain because he's white. (Except my mom...she voted for Cynthia McKinney because I jokingly told her to...HAHA! Pot and abortions, that's what I believe in!) Anyway, they all normally vote democrat and none of them have any republican ideals. Anyway, Florida went to Obama. I'm just glad we didn't fuck it up this year.

No offense Nicole but your family sound like a bunch of twits :P

No offense Nicole but your family sound like a bunch of twits :P

Why does that make her family sound like a bunch of twits? :screwy:

They are not alone since over 57 million Americans voted for McCain and the Republican Party and to say they are twits is misplaced and childish. :shakehead

That would be like saying there are a bunch of twits living in New Zealand because they just elected the conservative National Party into power and a new conservative Prime Minster - John Key.

What is interesting to note about the New Zealand election is it is nearly a mirror image of the U.S. election except the parties are flip flopped and of course, smaller in magnitude. There was even a "Morgan the Plumber". :rolleyes: See below.

Back to the topic of the thread nothing changed in Texas. Republican and Red as usual. One thing I'd like to point out Texas does not have the economic issues like other states that decided the election so why change a good thing. The President has very little or nothing to do with local or state economies.



Ex-Trader Key Voted New Zealand Premier; Clark Quits (Update1)
By Tracy Withers

Nov. 8 (Bloomberg) -- New Zealand's National Party defeated the ruling Labour Party in today's election, with former Merrill Lynch & Co. trader John Key ending Helen Clark's nine-year tenure as prime minister after the economy fell into recession.

Clark, 58, announced in Auckland tonight she would quit as Labour leader by the end of the year.

``As is obvious to all, tonight has not been our night,'' Clark told supporters as she conceded defeat shortly before midnight. ``I accept responsibility for the result.''

Key, 47, campaigned under the slogan ``Choosing a Brighter Future,'' and pledged tax cuts to help revive a $130 billion economy mired in recession. His center-right party was rated the better manager of the economy by half of the 700 voters surveyed this month by the New Zealand Herald, helping him boost his vote in today's election. Labour's support fell 7 percentage points.

Key's Nationals won about 45.5 percent of the vote, according to the Chief Electoral Office Web site. Labour had 33.8 percent of the votes counted. The final numbers may change after absentee votes are included in coming days.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=az3BRSSZ1Cbw&refer=home



Morgan the Plumber hits New Zealand election trail

WELLINGTON — Prime Minister Helen Clark found New Zealand's "Joe the Plumber" on the campaign trail Friday.
http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2008/10/31/2059000-morgan-the-plumber-hits-new-zealand-election-trail



BTW - Since Obama was elected President the U.S. has technically transcended the race issue so it is no longer an issue to complain about.

No offense Nicole but your family sound like a bunch of twits :P:1: I would have probably said bigots, but twit works. :lol:

Don't take that the wrong way Nicole. I have family that wanted McCain to win simply because he was white, too. Sadly, they are completely unaware of their ignorance and prejudices.

Why does that make her family sound like a bunch of twits? :screwy:
They are not alone since over 57 million Americans voted for McCain and the Republican Party and to say they are twits is misplaced and childish. :shakehead

They voted against their party and beliefs, and voted for McCain simply because he was white. You don't see a problem with that? Are you saying that 57 million did the same thing? :dunno:

Are you saying that 57 million did the same thing? :dunno:

I sure hope not. :eek: Most of them probably voted along along party lines and based on their social values and political views. :wink:

IMO what is more surprising or really no surprise for many was the black vote which shows a real problem if people desire to talk about the race card in the election. According to post election data at least 85% of eligible black voters voted for Obama. Now to set the record straight Obama is half white which makes him multi-racial. His mother was white and born in Kansas. Stanley Ann Dunham. See pic. It goes to show how misinformed or ignorant Americans are if they did vote based on race. :screwy:

http://www.kansasprairie.net/kansasprairieblog/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/copy-of-barak-and-mother-small.jpg

Back to the topic of the thread nothing changed in Texas. Republican and Red as usual. One thing I'd like to point out Texas does not have the economic issues like other states that decided the election so why change a good thing.

I wouldn't be bragging about that since Texas' gains are at the expense of the rest of the country. It's all about oil. Take that out of the picture and what is so special about Texas? Quote: “Recent decreases in oil prices have not yet affected the Texas oil and natural gas industry's ability to create jobs” http://recenter.tamu.edu/pdf/1862.pdf

Quote: “Texas' manufacturing industry continues to lose jobs. The industry lost 7,500 from September 2007 to September 2008.” http://recenter.tamu.edu/pdf/1862.pdf

For a red state Texas doesn't seem to be acting very conservative. Quote: “The state's government sector added 26,900 jobs from September 2007 to September 2008” http://recenter.tamu.edu/pdf/1862.pdf

Losing your manufacturing jobs while increasing your size of government seems to me to be counterproductive when combined with the decrease of revenue from oil and gas. Your bubble will burst too, enjoy the good times for now.

I wouldn't be bragging about that since Texas' gains are at the expense of the rest of the country. It's all about oil. Take that out of the picture and what is so special about Texas? Quote: “Recent decreases in oil prices have not yet affected the Texas oil and natural gas industry's ability to create jobs” http://recenter.tamu.edu/pdf/1862.pdf

Nice internet research but it sounds like you have no practical or formal educational knowledge in Texas economics. Yeah, life must be a real bitch living in a Red state like Idaho. :loser: I can see why one can be so bitter. :rofl: Texas could secede from the Union and be its own country if necessary. As a matter of fact probably the only state that could do so successfully. As anyone can see overall the data looks very good considering the source which is an excellent, well known conservative institution/college. Both my brother in law and sister are Texas A&M graduates. Look at the good data that overwhelms the bad. No wonder many people are still moving to Texas to work and live which will increase our population base and the electoral vote count from 34 one day.


Quote: “Texas' manufacturing industry continues to lose jobs. The industry lost 7,500 from September 2007 to September 2008.” http://recenter.tamu.edu/pdf/1862.pdf


Yeah I guess that is the "sucking sound" Perot was talking about due to NAFTA signed into law by Bill Clinton. However the data fails to show or discuss the Maquiladora or Twin Plant concept. Many Texans work across the border in Mexico for American companies and the money earned comes right back to Texas. Also, a good percentage the oil industry from Texas works overseas in the oil producing countries that we depend on. On a lesser note but valid since the Mexican workers are employed by American companies that gives them more disposable income that they spend shopping in Texas border cities and they love Walmart.

Other offsets are the tourism industry and the military-industrial complex which has a strong presence in the state.


For a red state Texas doesn't seem to be acting very conservative. Quote: “The state's government sector added 26,900 jobs from September 2007 to September 2008” http://recenter.tamu.edu/pdf/1862.pdf

Losing your manufacturing jobs while increasing your size of government seems to me to be counterproductive when combined with the decrease of revenue from oil and gas. Your bubble will burst too, enjoy the good times for now.

You forget that Texas has a long border with Mexico approximately 1200 miles. Many of the new governmental jobs are related to border security and address the immigration issue. Half of my wife's family works for the Border Patrol, Customs or INS. Also, the massive expansion and reorganization of Ft Hood and Ft Bliss which contributes to the tune of a strong national defense that the Democrats have a poor track record in. :thumbsdow

I recall in a prior discussion we had about Texas you were the one that claimed Texas would be Blue in 2008 but that failed to materialize. Back to the drawing board. :rofl:

BTW - Instead of living in misery or getting or being disenfranchised since you claim to have conservative roots move to Texas. :grinyes:

Yeah, life must be a real bitch living in a Red state like Idaho. I can see why one can be so bitter.
Didn't Obama get beat up for saying the very same thing? Qoute: And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZDA5YTc3YmJjM2U2NTdhNDJhYTFhMDk1YmU3ZTIxOTI=

Are you guy's related, or are you just stealing his stuff?

Nice internet research but it sounds like you have no practical or formal educational knowledge in Texas economics

I put up a Texas A&M economic summary that I admit was internet research but what do you have to base your comments on New Zealand's elections? Maybe some “ practical or formal educational knowledge”?

Texas could secede from the Union and be its own country if necessary. As a matter of fact probably the only state that could do so successfully.

I don't think anybody in the Union would care much either. :lol:

Many Texans work across the border in Mexico for American companies and the money earned comes right back to Texas.

It's still nothing compared to American jobs lost to such practices. I guess it's still better than losing all jobs to say a plant in communist China.

But then again, lucky you - a lot of the pollution from those dirty Mexican factories blows right back in to Texas. Not to mention what they're doing to your ground water along the border...

Didn't Obama get beat up for saying the very same thing? Qoute: And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZDA5YTc3YmJjM2U2NTdhNDJhYTFhMDk1YmU3ZTIxOTI=

Are you guy's related, or are you just stealing his stuff?

:rofl:

He was talking about Pennsylvania. Whatever I say is my own work so hard to get beat up for what I said and I wasn't running for President.


I put up a Texas A&M economic summary that I admit was internet research but what do you have to base your comments on New Zealand's elections? Maybe some “ practical or formal educational knowledge”?

Yeah but you did not expect a good counter argument to your speculation. Nope. It was in the newspapers and reliable sources so it is general knowledge.

Actually I was just trying to be nice to Toksin and show that we Americans are interested in other countries like New Zealand. :uhoh:....:lol:

Actually I was just trying to be nice to Toksin and show that we Americans are interested in other countries like New Zealand.
More like sucking up to be Secratary of State when Texas succededs :biggrin:

I don't think anybody in the Union would care much either. :lol:

Nice to have the blessings of fellow Americans. :wink:



I guess it's still better than losing all jobs to say a plant in communist China.

Bingo! Better than nothing and jobs going overseas.


But then again, lucky you - a lot of the pollution from those dirty Mexican factories blows right back in to Texas. Not to mention what they're doing to your ground water along the border...

The primary pollution in my area of West Texas comes from U.S. plants like ASARCO, the oil refineries and automobiles. Obviously we share the same air. What ground water? :lol: The rains evaporates before it gets a chance to get to the ground water plus you have to drill hundreds of feet. But since we Texans are resourceful we looked into that and other environmental issues. See link. Plus those Mexican factories and manufacturing plants are not as dirty as you think. :grinno:

Water - Setting the Stage for the Future (http://www.epwu.org/water/desal_info.html)




More like sucking up to be Secratary of State when Texas succededs :biggrin:

That is secedes. :lol:

Not a bad idea but I'll be fully retired in 8 years and will probably enjoy a nice vacation in New Zealand and traveling around the U.S. and world. Screw politics.

It's ok...my family realize they're racist. They're ok with it. What bothers them more than the fact that he's black is the fact that he barely mentions his mom was white.

That is secedes. :lol:

Not a bad idea but I'll be fully retired in 8 years and will probably enjoy a nice vacation in New Zealand and traveling around the U.S. and world. Screw politics.

Only if the attempt to secede actually succeeds this time, but don't bet on it, stick with your current retirement plan. Texas hasn't had much success as a secessionist state in the past.