What if the world could vote?
Toksin
10-24-2008, 02:14 PM
KustmAce
10-25-2008, 06:58 PM
Here comes the "who cares what the world thinks" argument....
BNaylor
10-25-2008, 08:12 PM
:rolleyes:
Too hypothetical and unscientific. What is the methodology other than being a bogus straw poll? Anyways, the world can't vote in any U.S. election so it is a moot issue. The figures for the U.S. are so far off or skewed to make it really laughable. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
It is as bad or worse as that AOL straw poll. See link below.
AOL Straw Poll: McCain 63%, Obama 37% (http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/terry-trippany/2008/09/27/aol-straw-poll-mccain-63-obama-37)
Too hypothetical and unscientific. What is the methodology other than being a bogus straw poll? Anyways, the world can't vote in any U.S. election so it is a moot issue. The figures for the U.S. are so far off or skewed to make it really laughable. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
It is as bad or worse as that AOL straw poll. See link below.
AOL Straw Poll: McCain 63%, Obama 37% (http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/terry-trippany/2008/09/27/aol-straw-poll-mccain-63-obama-37)
Damien
10-25-2008, 09:20 PM
Wow...not even half a million. That represents the world like Polk City represents Florida. Yes, this was used as a statistical poll for the news. :rolleyes:
-Davo
10-26-2008, 01:23 AM
I guess in two weeks we will know whether your country is run by a creationist who does not understand your own constitution, or a man who actually wants to do good things, has a degree in law from Harvard and is a sexy beast.
VR43000GT
10-26-2008, 01:33 AM
Lol probably the worst poll I have ever seen posted. :rofl: Look at Liberia, they managed to gather info from a whopping 1 person lol. That definately represents the world. :rolleyes: Good for a laugh though.
Toksin
10-26-2008, 02:22 AM
Just thought I'd post it out of interest. I like The Economist's one though, how it gives each country weight similar to your electoral college.
PS go Obama
PS go Obama
BNaylor
10-26-2008, 08:21 AM
Lol probably the worst poll I have ever seen posted. :rofl: Look at Liberia, they managed to gather info from a whopping 1 person lol. That definately represents the world. :rolleyes: Good for a laugh though.
:werd:
Obviously a lack of Internet access. :lol:
The one I find interesting is Venezuela at the first link. Keep in mind this is a country that is supposedly anti American since it is run by that moron Hugo Chavez. So much for socialism. :loser:
Venezuela 651 51.2% Obama 48.8% McCain
There are better polls that count, if you believe in them, conducted in the U.S since the race is tightening. Here is one from the AP that puts both candidates in a statistical dead heat meaning don't count your chickens before they hatch. :sly:
Obama at 44 percent and McCain at 43 percent (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gkM0JvRRUl81LuDA_P2t_goU2kGAD93VU2200)
Source: AP
The poll, which found Obama at 44 percent and McCain at 43 percent, supports what some Republicans and Democrats privately have said in recent days: that the race narrowed after the third debate as GOP-leaning voters drifted home to their party and McCain's "Joe the plumber" analogy struck a chord.
:werd:
Obviously a lack of Internet access. :lol:
The one I find interesting is Venezuela at the first link. Keep in mind this is a country that is supposedly anti American since it is run by that moron Hugo Chavez. So much for socialism. :loser:
Venezuela 651 51.2% Obama 48.8% McCain
There are better polls that count, if you believe in them, conducted in the U.S since the race is tightening. Here is one from the AP that puts both candidates in a statistical dead heat meaning don't count your chickens before they hatch. :sly:
Obama at 44 percent and McCain at 43 percent (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gkM0JvRRUl81LuDA_P2t_goU2kGAD93VU2200)
Source: AP
The poll, which found Obama at 44 percent and McCain at 43 percent, supports what some Republicans and Democrats privately have said in recent days: that the race narrowed after the third debate as GOP-leaning voters drifted home to their party and McCain's "Joe the plumber" analogy struck a chord.
Damien
10-26-2008, 09:05 AM
I guess in two weeks we will know whether your country is run by a creationist who does not understand your own constitution, or a man who actually wants to do good things, has a degree in law from Harvard and is a sexy beast.
Davo I didn't know you were running! ;)
Davo I didn't know you were running! ;)
-Davo
10-27-2008, 03:32 AM
Davo I didn't know you were running! ;)
heyyyy just cause I don't understand the constitution doesn't mean I can't run :p
It worked for McCain
heyyyy just cause I don't understand the constitution doesn't mean I can't run :p
It worked for McCain
Toksin
10-27-2008, 02:37 PM
Is it bad that I'm paying more attention to the US elections than NZ's? :silly:
jon@af
10-27-2008, 05:43 PM
Is it bad that I'm paying more attention to the US elections than NZ's? :silly:
Yes.
You're a terrible citizen.
:smile:.
Yes.
You're a terrible citizen.
:smile:.
2strokebloke
10-27-2008, 07:19 PM
Most of the countries have polled a large enough quantity of people for the results to be accurate (keeping in mind the demographic - that is internet users who visited this site). So dismissing it as entirely without merit is kind of bunk.
But I do wonder why internet users who have visited that site in the former Yugoslavia like McCain so much.
But I do wonder why internet users who have visited that site in the former Yugoslavia like McCain so much.
BNaylor
10-27-2008, 07:56 PM
internet users who visited this site). So dismissing it as entirely without merit is kind of bunk.
But I do wonder why internet users who have visited that site in the former Yugoslavia like McCain so much.
Internet straw polls are worthless and have no scientific value. Just look at the AOL straw poll. Good laugh! :rofl:
I don't know how credible this source is but no worse then the ones posted so check out Israel versus the other poll below. The first data is from the first link at the OP.
Israel 468 64.1% Obama 35.9% McCain
Poll: Israelis like McCain over Obama
10/27/2008
Israelis would elect John McCain over Barack Obama for president of the United States, a poll found.
The poll found that 46.4 percent of Israelis would vote for McCain, the Republican candidate, and 34 percent for his Democratic opponent, with 18.6 undecided, Ynet reported Monday. The survey, conducted by the TNS Teleseker polling agency on behalf of the Rabin Center for Israel Studies, interviewed 500 Israelis aged 18 to 65.
Among nearly half of those surveyed, or 48.6 percent, believed McCain would be better for Israel, while 31.5 percent said Obama would be better. More than 5 percent said the candidates would have the same effect on Israel, and 14.2 percent were undecided.
Each candidate was favored by 37 percent on who would better handle the Israel-Palestinian conflict.
Israel was one of three countries who chose McCain over Obama in polls of adult citizens, Rabin Center head Alon Pinkas told Ynet. Georgia and the Philippines also opted for the veteran GOP senator.
http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iowa/breaking/110893.html
But I do wonder why internet users who have visited that site in the former Yugoslavia like McCain so much.
Internet straw polls are worthless and have no scientific value. Just look at the AOL straw poll. Good laugh! :rofl:
I don't know how credible this source is but no worse then the ones posted so check out Israel versus the other poll below. The first data is from the first link at the OP.
Israel 468 64.1% Obama 35.9% McCain
Poll: Israelis like McCain over Obama
10/27/2008
Israelis would elect John McCain over Barack Obama for president of the United States, a poll found.
The poll found that 46.4 percent of Israelis would vote for McCain, the Republican candidate, and 34 percent for his Democratic opponent, with 18.6 undecided, Ynet reported Monday. The survey, conducted by the TNS Teleseker polling agency on behalf of the Rabin Center for Israel Studies, interviewed 500 Israelis aged 18 to 65.
Among nearly half of those surveyed, or 48.6 percent, believed McCain would be better for Israel, while 31.5 percent said Obama would be better. More than 5 percent said the candidates would have the same effect on Israel, and 14.2 percent were undecided.
Each candidate was favored by 37 percent on who would better handle the Israel-Palestinian conflict.
Israel was one of three countries who chose McCain over Obama in polls of adult citizens, Rabin Center head Alon Pinkas told Ynet. Georgia and the Philippines also opted for the veteran GOP senator.
http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iowa/breaking/110893.html
Toksin
10-27-2008, 09:18 PM
gatoratoy227
10-28-2008, 03:48 AM
i like the topic, but in my opinion, if the world could vote.................. the human race would have died from a mass extcinction many centries ago
but thats my opinoin, usually caused by the altered reality i bought off of Ebay, its working so far:licka:
but thats my opinoin, usually caused by the altered reality i bought off of Ebay, its working so far:licka:
'97ventureowner
10-28-2008, 09:33 AM
Not being much of a political debater, I saw a different angle at this thread. We all know The United States' image among other countries has suffered in recent years. One possible way to improve that image and get us "back on track" is to have a leader with whom other countries find positive. We might have a better chance of repairing our image if we had a leader that other countries prefer. To those that say,"Who cares what other countries think about us?" just think for a moment that , that very thought got us into the situation we are currently in. The world has evolved a lot in the past 50 years or so, and the economies of most countries are more global. We rely on so many other countries now than in the past, whereas other countries once relied on us. Having that imperialistic view doesn't sit well with other countries and can do a lot to harm one's image. Countries will need to work together in the coming years to solve the many issues that are currently in place( economies, climate change, population, etc.). Having a leader that the world sees in "a good light" can further advance the coming together of and working with other countries to solve these problems.
Toksin
10-28-2008, 03:29 PM
Not being much of a political debater, I saw a different angle at this thread. We all know The United States' image among other countries has suffered in recent years. One possible way to improve that image and get us "back on track" is to have a leader with whom other countries find positive. We might have a better chance of repairing our image if we had a leader that other countries prefer. To those that say,"Who cares what other countries think about us?" just think for a moment that , that very thought got us into the situation we are currently in. The world has evolved a lot in the past 50 years or so, and the economies of most countries are more global. We rely on so many other countries now than in the past, whereas other countries once relied on us. Having that imperialistic view doesn't sit well with other countries and can do a lot to harm one's image. Countries will need to work together in the coming years to solve the many issues that are currently in place( economies, climate change, population, etc.). Having a leader that the world sees in "a good light" can further advance the coming together of and working with other countries to solve these problems.
Well said :thumbsup:
Well said :thumbsup:
drunken monkey
10-28-2008, 05:41 PM
I wonder who the Chinese Government wants to win?
BNaylor
10-28-2008, 06:28 PM
I wonder who the Chinese Government wants to win?
What do the Chinese newspapers say? Aren't they state owned and run? :tongue:
New Zealand
Very interesting. On the issue of elections in New Zealand if I were a Labour Party supporter I'd be worried and less about the U.S. Presidential election unless it directly affects me, my family, business or employer or the issues that count. It looks like the National Party (conservatives) is ahead in the polls by 14%.
October 25, 2008
IT'S just two weeks until almost three million New Zealanders head to the polls in what is shaping up as a much closer contest than initially predicted.
People who only a month ago were writing off the ruling Labour Party are having to rethink their predictions, as the political deals that could decide the new government start to take shape.
"This is a very, very close election campaign," Prime Minister Helen Clark said recently, even though a poll showed Labour trailing the National Party by 14 per cent.
"It is clear the centre-Left voters, if you take Labour and Greens together, is pretty much level pegging with National and ACT," she said.
The election of the conservatives on November 8 could herald big changes to New Zealand, seen as among the world's most progressive countries.
The leader of the main opposition National Party, John Key, said he would not repeal the country's social policies if he won, but would rethink extending the so-called Scandinavian model embraced by the Clark Government.
That model is characterised by strong welfare provisions, government regulations and progressive social views.
"The Scandinavian model we see as being a comprehensive extension of the state and that really runs against our core principles, which are that we believe in less government, more freedom of choice for individuals, and rewards for personal enterprise and effort," Mr Key said.
Source: http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24547718-663,00.html
^^^^That sure sounds familiar.
U.S. Conservative/Republican core values:
1) That the free enterprise system is the most effective engine of economic progress.
2) High taxes, runaway government spending, and over-regulation of business and farming punish initiative and stifle economic growth.
3) That with freedom comes responsibility and that individuals must take personal responsibility for their own actions and our criminal justice system must be based on this idea.
4) That your property is yours and you have the basic right to make use of it without unreasonable government restrictions.
What do the Chinese newspapers say? Aren't they state owned and run? :tongue:
New Zealand
Very interesting. On the issue of elections in New Zealand if I were a Labour Party supporter I'd be worried and less about the U.S. Presidential election unless it directly affects me, my family, business or employer or the issues that count. It looks like the National Party (conservatives) is ahead in the polls by 14%.
October 25, 2008
IT'S just two weeks until almost three million New Zealanders head to the polls in what is shaping up as a much closer contest than initially predicted.
People who only a month ago were writing off the ruling Labour Party are having to rethink their predictions, as the political deals that could decide the new government start to take shape.
"This is a very, very close election campaign," Prime Minister Helen Clark said recently, even though a poll showed Labour trailing the National Party by 14 per cent.
"It is clear the centre-Left voters, if you take Labour and Greens together, is pretty much level pegging with National and ACT," she said.
The election of the conservatives on November 8 could herald big changes to New Zealand, seen as among the world's most progressive countries.
The leader of the main opposition National Party, John Key, said he would not repeal the country's social policies if he won, but would rethink extending the so-called Scandinavian model embraced by the Clark Government.
That model is characterised by strong welfare provisions, government regulations and progressive social views.
"The Scandinavian model we see as being a comprehensive extension of the state and that really runs against our core principles, which are that we believe in less government, more freedom of choice for individuals, and rewards for personal enterprise and effort," Mr Key said.
Source: http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24547718-663,00.html
^^^^That sure sounds familiar.
U.S. Conservative/Republican core values:
1) That the free enterprise system is the most effective engine of economic progress.
2) High taxes, runaway government spending, and over-regulation of business and farming punish initiative and stifle economic growth.
3) That with freedom comes responsibility and that individuals must take personal responsibility for their own actions and our criminal justice system must be based on this idea.
4) That your property is yours and you have the basic right to make use of it without unreasonable government restrictions.
Toksin
10-28-2008, 06:43 PM
Nice to see some people are aware of more than just their corner of the world :thumbsup:
I'm totally on the fence at the moment re: NZ elections. I may end up just voting for a minor party.
The thing that bugs me is that NZ elections are taking on the American angle of campaigning. ie, here it used to be "vote for us, we can do this" but now it's moving towards the US style of "the other guys are evil and eat babies, vote for us". It's disgusting.
I'm totally on the fence at the moment re: NZ elections. I may end up just voting for a minor party.
The thing that bugs me is that NZ elections are taking on the American angle of campaigning. ie, here it used to be "vote for us, we can do this" but now it's moving towards the US style of "the other guys are evil and eat babies, vote for us". It's disgusting.
blazee
11-02-2008, 06:05 AM
Not being much of a political debater, I saw a different angle at this thread. We all know The United States' image among other countries has suffered in recent years. One possible way to improve that image and get us "back on track" is to have a leader with whom other countries find positive. We might have a better chance of repairing our image if we had a leader that other countries prefer. To those that say,"Who cares what other countries think about us?" just think for a moment that , that very thought got us into the situation we are currently in. The world has evolved a lot in the past 50 years or so, and the economies of most countries are more global. We rely on so many other countries now than in the past, whereas other countries once relied on us. Having that imperialistic view doesn't sit well with other countries and can do a lot to harm one's image. Countries will need to work together in the coming years to solve the many issues that are currently in place( economies, climate change, population, etc.). Having a leader that the world sees in "a good light" can further advance the coming together of and working with other countries to solve these problems.Who cares what other countries think about us? :dunno:
:lol:
:lol:
blazee
11-02-2008, 06:29 AM
U.S. Conservative/Republican core values:
1) That the free enterprise system is the most effective engine of economic progress.
2) High taxes, runaway government spending, and over-regulation of business and farming punish initiative and stifle economic growth.
3) That with freedom comes responsibility and that individuals must take personal responsibility for their own actions and our criminal justice system must be based on this idea.
4) That your property is yours and you have the basic right to make use of it without unreasonable government restrictions.
Unfortunately, the only Republican that still feels that way is Ron Paul, and the rest of the party considers him crazy for it. Times are changing, the old Republicans are the new Libertarians. The new Republicans are war mongering, holier than thou religious nuts, bent on pushing their beliefs on the rest of the world, even if it means destroying the economy and giving away their freedom and rights, essentially costing them the country that so many great Americans contributed to building. Not to mention all the party's representatives that are child molesters, and self hating closet homosexuals.
Oh, and don't get me started on all the "hold my hand, feed me, and tell me everything is going to be okay" Democrat pussies.
1) That the free enterprise system is the most effective engine of economic progress.
2) High taxes, runaway government spending, and over-regulation of business and farming punish initiative and stifle economic growth.
3) That with freedom comes responsibility and that individuals must take personal responsibility for their own actions and our criminal justice system must be based on this idea.
4) That your property is yours and you have the basic right to make use of it without unreasonable government restrictions.
Unfortunately, the only Republican that still feels that way is Ron Paul, and the rest of the party considers him crazy for it. Times are changing, the old Republicans are the new Libertarians. The new Republicans are war mongering, holier than thou religious nuts, bent on pushing their beliefs on the rest of the world, even if it means destroying the economy and giving away their freedom and rights, essentially costing them the country that so many great Americans contributed to building. Not to mention all the party's representatives that are child molesters, and self hating closet homosexuals.
Oh, and don't get me started on all the "hold my hand, feed me, and tell me everything is going to be okay" Democrat pussies.
BNaylor
11-02-2008, 06:43 AM
Unfortunately, the only Republican that still feels that way is Ron Paul, and the rest of the party considers him crazy for it. Times are changing, the old Republicans are the new Libertarians. The new Republicans are war mongering, holier than thou religious nuts, bent on pushing their beliefs on the rest of the world, even if it means destroying the economy and giving away their freedom and rights, essentially costing them the country that so many great Americans contributed to building. Not to mention all the party's representatives that are child molesters, and self hating closet homosexuals.
It is the Moderate Republicans, Neocons and Religious Right Extremists that screwed it up.
Here is another interesting straw poll. :uhoh:
http://js.polls.yahoo.com/quiz/quiziframe.php?poll_id=40357
Oh, and don't get me started on all the "hold my hand, feed me, and tell me everything is going to be okay" Democrat pussies.
There is a video on YouTube that shows a lady thinking everything will be free including gasoline under Obama and the Demos. :screwy:
It is the Moderate Republicans, Neocons and Religious Right Extremists that screwed it up.
Here is another interesting straw poll. :uhoh:
http://js.polls.yahoo.com/quiz/quiziframe.php?poll_id=40357
Oh, and don't get me started on all the "hold my hand, feed me, and tell me everything is going to be okay" Democrat pussies.
There is a video on YouTube that shows a lady thinking everything will be free including gasoline under Obama and the Demos. :screwy:
blazee
11-02-2008, 06:55 AM
I think that in this election polls are going to be completely unreliable. I have a feeling that McCain will actually have a better standing than the polls show. Mainly because Obama has been presented as the "hip" choice... "it's cool to vote for Obama", people will naturally say they are voting for him, but when the time comes and no one is around, they'll vote for the white guy. Race is too big of an issue, it has divided our ignorant masses for too long, and even though many people try to pretend that they don't have a need to "stick to their own kind" very few actually feel that way.
I wonder what the prejudices will be when the day comes that everyone is comprised of a combination of all races. I'm sure they'll find something to distrust and hate each other about they always do...
I wonder what the prejudices will be when the day comes that everyone is comprised of a combination of all races. I'm sure they'll find something to distrust and hate each other about they always do...
03cavPA
11-02-2008, 09:57 AM
...............
There is a video on YouTube that shows a lady thinking everything will be free including gasoline under Obama and the Demos. :screwy:
That's the problem with appealing to masses that don't understand basic economics. You promise them that you'll give them things that they want but don't have the means to acquire now. :dupe:
"Chicken in every pot" has become "cell phone/internet/useless consumer goods/free housing (it doesn't matter if you never should have qualified for the loan; we'll just print more money to cover it)".
Well, we all know that somebody has to pay for it. I don't know about you guys, but even if you steal my entire paycheck, it still won't cover all his "pie in the sky" programs.
Yeah, shame on me for gainful employment and living within my means. :headshake
We may see some surprises at the voting booth. Obama still needs quite a few middle American votes to attain the office. Some of us old hippies actually did grow up to learn the importance of accountability and responsible behavior.
I'm not holding out a lot of hope, though.
There is a video on YouTube that shows a lady thinking everything will be free including gasoline under Obama and the Demos. :screwy:
That's the problem with appealing to masses that don't understand basic economics. You promise them that you'll give them things that they want but don't have the means to acquire now. :dupe:
"Chicken in every pot" has become "cell phone/internet/useless consumer goods/free housing (it doesn't matter if you never should have qualified for the loan; we'll just print more money to cover it)".
Well, we all know that somebody has to pay for it. I don't know about you guys, but even if you steal my entire paycheck, it still won't cover all his "pie in the sky" programs.
Yeah, shame on me for gainful employment and living within my means. :headshake
We may see some surprises at the voting booth. Obama still needs quite a few middle American votes to attain the office. Some of us old hippies actually did grow up to learn the importance of accountability and responsible behavior.
I'm not holding out a lot of hope, though.
2strokebloke
11-02-2008, 11:15 AM
Unfortunately it's not just the masses that don't understand basic economics. Just look at the current government's spending :headshake
It's as though no politician understands money doesn't grow on trees - and they all know that when they leave office they can leave their mess for the next in line (who will probably just add to it instead of cleaning it up).
It's as though no politician understands money doesn't grow on trees - and they all know that when they leave office they can leave their mess for the next in line (who will probably just add to it instead of cleaning it up).
03cavPA
11-02-2008, 11:26 AM
Bob, here's a link to the youtube video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI&feature=related
Now, there's a lot of spin around that video, but just listen to what she says about her hopes for an Obama administration.
Too many people want to spin it all the way out and take it to the extreme. She could *possibly* be thinking that she will be able to pay her gas and mortgage bill when the economy improves under BO. (oh, yeah, monkeys will fly out of our butts when that happens)
Now, if she honestly believes she'll get that stuff free when he's prez, then that really should scare the hell out of all of us. :eek7:
The only thing scarier than that is if it's actually true. :eek2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI&feature=related
Now, there's a lot of spin around that video, but just listen to what she says about her hopes for an Obama administration.
Too many people want to spin it all the way out and take it to the extreme. She could *possibly* be thinking that she will be able to pay her gas and mortgage bill when the economy improves under BO. (oh, yeah, monkeys will fly out of our butts when that happens)
Now, if she honestly believes she'll get that stuff free when he's prez, then that really should scare the hell out of all of us. :eek7:
The only thing scarier than that is if it's actually true. :eek2:
BNaylor
11-02-2008, 11:41 AM
Bob, here's a link to the youtube video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI&feature=related
Yup thats the one. Thanks. Man, talking about sheeple or people with a lack of education or common sense. She probably has been on welfare all her life. :screwy:
You know you can put youtube videos directly into the post via vBulletin for posting. See below. Just go to "quote" and you'll see the commands.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI&feature=related
Yup thats the one. Thanks. Man, talking about sheeple or people with a lack of education or common sense. She probably has been on welfare all her life. :screwy:
You know you can put youtube videos directly into the post via vBulletin for posting. See below. Just go to "quote" and you'll see the commands.
L6ikOxi9yYk
VR43000GT
11-02-2008, 03:59 PM
^^That's what I love...they claim, "no no, we aren't really doing a wealth redistribution." But seriously, who is going to pay for all the things that is promised to them? Is money just going to appear from thin air for them? No, others are going to have to pay for your insufficient lifestyle. This infuriates me so much. And the part that I don't understand is, this is not America at all. You work harder you should reap the benefits. And I know as last time I will here excuses but cut and dry, people with more money will paying for those who have less. And in that aspect, that is incredibley Unamerican.
Car-Less
11-05-2008, 09:02 PM
If the world could vote Id vote for palin on her own, lol, because at least when she screws up she's great too look at! ;)
'97ventureowner
11-06-2008, 01:22 AM
Who cares what other countries think about us? :dunno:
:lol:
Exactly. I do and you should as well.It's apathetic opinions and comments like that , that have gotten us in the state this country is currently in. Gone are the days when this country was highly regarded and had a lot of clout. The whole world has changed in the last 20 years and more countries have become self sustaining or had their economic/industrial base improved to where they are on a "higher" level than in the past. They no longer desire our help and support and we are looked upon as "Imperialists" based on our past history. Add to that an unpopular leader, and our "reputation" has suffered quite a bit. Who is to say if we suffer some major catastrophe, which countries could we actually count on to come to our aid. Especially those whom we've helped in the past and are now able to offer their own help to others because of better economic standing? Since Obama was elected yesterday, messages have been pouring in from all over the world with praise and support. That can do a lot to increase our "standing" with other countries in the world. Maybe they will see us in a better light. While I don't think we will ever regain the stature we once enjoyed after WWII as a superpower, we can do a lot to improve our image on the world front and gain the help and support of other countries if we should ever need it.
:lol:
Exactly. I do and you should as well.It's apathetic opinions and comments like that , that have gotten us in the state this country is currently in. Gone are the days when this country was highly regarded and had a lot of clout. The whole world has changed in the last 20 years and more countries have become self sustaining or had their economic/industrial base improved to where they are on a "higher" level than in the past. They no longer desire our help and support and we are looked upon as "Imperialists" based on our past history. Add to that an unpopular leader, and our "reputation" has suffered quite a bit. Who is to say if we suffer some major catastrophe, which countries could we actually count on to come to our aid. Especially those whom we've helped in the past and are now able to offer their own help to others because of better economic standing? Since Obama was elected yesterday, messages have been pouring in from all over the world with praise and support. That can do a lot to increase our "standing" with other countries in the world. Maybe they will see us in a better light. While I don't think we will ever regain the stature we once enjoyed after WWII as a superpower, we can do a lot to improve our image on the world front and gain the help and support of other countries if we should ever need it.
2strokebloke
11-06-2008, 02:19 PM
On another forum I post on, which is primarily inhabited by people not in the U.S. - there were quite a few people congratulating us on our new president.
Only one expressed in straightforward terms that they were happy Bush was finally going to be done F'ing everything up around the world.
As silly as it seems, I think that simply getting rid of Bush has done our country a favor (although really, that's just the point, even if McCain won, he wouldn't be Bush). I'm pessimistic and just reminded them that politicians are all politicians. :lol:
Only one expressed in straightforward terms that they were happy Bush was finally going to be done F'ing everything up around the world.
As silly as it seems, I think that simply getting rid of Bush has done our country a favor (although really, that's just the point, even if McCain won, he wouldn't be Bush). I'm pessimistic and just reminded them that politicians are all politicians. :lol:
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