Obama Not a US Citizen and Ineligible to Run for POTUS?
BNaylor
08-31-2008, 03:29 PM
Well, here we go again. :rolleyes:
The McCain eligibility issue has been resolved but it looks like there is an issue with Obama concerning his birth and whether he can legally run for President. A Philadelphia attorney has filed a federal lawsuit (08/21/08, No. 08-cv-4083) in US District Court in Pennsylvania alleging that Obama is ineligible or not qualified to run for POTUS.
Lawsuit questions Obama's eligibility for office
Citizenship claim at issue
Jennifer Haberkorn THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Thursday, August 28, 2008
Pennsylvania's former deputy attorney general and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton supporter Philip J. Berg has filed a lawsuit in federal court in Pennsylvania accusing presumptive Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama of lying about his U.S. citizenship, which would make him ineligible to be president.
Mr. Berg is one of a faction of Clinton supporters who haven't heeded the party's call for unity, filing the suit just days before the opening of the Democratic National Convention, which will nominate Mr. Obama as the party's presidential candidate.
The suit, filed in U.S. District Court in Philadelphia last week, also names the Democratic National Committee and the Federal Election Commission and says Mr. Obama´s mother went to Kenya late in her pregnancy and ended up giving birth there. It also claims that later in life, Mr. Obama declared himself a citizen of Indonesia.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/aug/28/lawsuit-questions-obamas-eligibility-for-office/
Petition/Complaint (http://www.obamacrimes.com/attachments/001_ObamaComplaint.pdf)
Note : To date the Federal Judge denied the Temporary Restraining Order (TRO) but decided to let the lawsuit proceed.
The McCain eligibility issue has been resolved but it looks like there is an issue with Obama concerning his birth and whether he can legally run for President. A Philadelphia attorney has filed a federal lawsuit (08/21/08, No. 08-cv-4083) in US District Court in Pennsylvania alleging that Obama is ineligible or not qualified to run for POTUS.
Lawsuit questions Obama's eligibility for office
Citizenship claim at issue
Jennifer Haberkorn THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Thursday, August 28, 2008
Pennsylvania's former deputy attorney general and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton supporter Philip J. Berg has filed a lawsuit in federal court in Pennsylvania accusing presumptive Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama of lying about his U.S. citizenship, which would make him ineligible to be president.
Mr. Berg is one of a faction of Clinton supporters who haven't heeded the party's call for unity, filing the suit just days before the opening of the Democratic National Convention, which will nominate Mr. Obama as the party's presidential candidate.
The suit, filed in U.S. District Court in Philadelphia last week, also names the Democratic National Committee and the Federal Election Commission and says Mr. Obama´s mother went to Kenya late in her pregnancy and ended up giving birth there. It also claims that later in life, Mr. Obama declared himself a citizen of Indonesia.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/aug/28/lawsuit-questions-obamas-eligibility-for-office/
Petition/Complaint (http://www.obamacrimes.com/attachments/001_ObamaComplaint.pdf)
Note : To date the Federal Judge denied the Temporary Restraining Order (TRO) but decided to let the lawsuit proceed.
ericn1300
08-31-2008, 08:08 PM
Trivial post. The lack of definitions in the writing of the constitution, such as a definition of a “natural born citizen” leads to many interpretations. Obama is a constitutional scholar. As a graduate of Harvard, and the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review I think he might have a better understanding of the law than somebody following the far right wing's trivia in a weak attempt to usurp the election on an ill defined technicality.
Of course the federal judge denied the TRO, this is a case for the Supreme Court should it decide to hear it, which it won't. And even if it did any judgment would come after the election, less than eight weeks away now. I can't even imagine the political chaos if the the Supreme Court were to remove a sitting president on a technicality.
Of course the federal judge denied the TRO, this is a case for the Supreme Court should it decide to hear it, which it won't. And even if it did any judgment would come after the election, less than eight weeks away now. I can't even imagine the political chaos if the the Supreme Court were to remove a sitting president on a technicality.
BNaylor
08-31-2008, 11:20 PM
Trivial post. The lack of definitions in the writing of the constitution, such as a definition of a “natural born citizen” leads to many interpretations. Obama is a constitutional scholar. As a graduate of Harvard, and the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review I think he might have a better understanding of the law than somebody following the far right wing's trivia in a weak attempt to usurp the election on an ill defined technicality.
I could really care less if you think it is trivial. Nonetheless, the post caused you to throw in your two cents worth. :lol: And take note the lawsuit was filed by a Democrat with prior association with Hillary Clinton and not by any Republican, Conservative or anyone associated with the far right wing so your comment is clearly misplaced.
Obviously the issue is more than trivial since that is all the left wing is talking about and going to extraordinary measures to downplay the news. News is news regardless of the source. If Obama thought it was trivial then why did he post a copy of his Certification of Live Birth on his web site which appears to be phony? Obama's background is irrelevant if it is built on a house of cards or lies.
Link to Obama's Certificate of Live Birth (http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/birthcert)
Of course the federal judge denied the TRO, this is a case for the Supreme Court should it decide to hear it, which it won't. And even if it did any judgment would come after the election, less than eight weeks away now. I can't even imagine the political chaos if the the Supreme Court were to remove a sitting president on a technicality.
If these allegations turn out to true which is a big if I could imagine the chaos not just political if the suit continues and the Judge doesn't throw the case out which to date he has not. Denying a Temporary Restraining Order (TRO) does not mean the case doesn't have merit. TROs are filed exparte with only one party present and harder to get granted especially considering the nature of the allegations if you carefully read the complaint filed and high visibility of the case. The Judge wanted all parties served first or otherwise it would be a due process issue. If you knew anything about the law which obviously you don't lawsuits in this case federal have to be filed at the US District Court level first and then work their way up to the Federal Appellate and then the U.S. Supreme Court levels.
Remove a sitting president? Great laugh. :rofl: Rather pretentious comment and counting the chickens before they hatch? :shakehead
I could really care less if you think it is trivial. Nonetheless, the post caused you to throw in your two cents worth. :lol: And take note the lawsuit was filed by a Democrat with prior association with Hillary Clinton and not by any Republican, Conservative or anyone associated with the far right wing so your comment is clearly misplaced.
Obviously the issue is more than trivial since that is all the left wing is talking about and going to extraordinary measures to downplay the news. News is news regardless of the source. If Obama thought it was trivial then why did he post a copy of his Certification of Live Birth on his web site which appears to be phony? Obama's background is irrelevant if it is built on a house of cards or lies.
Link to Obama's Certificate of Live Birth (http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/birthcert)
Of course the federal judge denied the TRO, this is a case for the Supreme Court should it decide to hear it, which it won't. And even if it did any judgment would come after the election, less than eight weeks away now. I can't even imagine the political chaos if the the Supreme Court were to remove a sitting president on a technicality.
If these allegations turn out to true which is a big if I could imagine the chaos not just political if the suit continues and the Judge doesn't throw the case out which to date he has not. Denying a Temporary Restraining Order (TRO) does not mean the case doesn't have merit. TROs are filed exparte with only one party present and harder to get granted especially considering the nature of the allegations if you carefully read the complaint filed and high visibility of the case. The Judge wanted all parties served first or otherwise it would be a due process issue. If you knew anything about the law which obviously you don't lawsuits in this case federal have to be filed at the US District Court level first and then work their way up to the Federal Appellate and then the U.S. Supreme Court levels.
Remove a sitting president? Great laugh. :rofl: Rather pretentious comment and counting the chickens before they hatch? :shakehead
2strokebloke
09-01-2008, 12:04 AM
Why should we look at important nationwide issues when we can diddle around over one person's paperwork.
VR43000GT
09-01-2008, 12:19 AM
^^I think we're doing both. Just because you do one does not mean you aren't doing the other.
That would be a hoot if Obama just got thrown out of the race though lol.
That would be a hoot if Obama just got thrown out of the race though lol.
BNaylor
09-01-2008, 12:45 AM
It never ceases to amaze me how the Obama supporters downplay or trivialize the issue. They made a big deal out of McCain's situation whose place of birth or natural born citizen issue appears to be more solid and in accordance with the law than Obama's. :shakehead
I think we're doing both. Just because you do one does not mean you aren't doing the other.
Called the ability to multi-task. Something we MX bikers know all about. Right SL? :uhoh:.......:lol:
That would be a hoot if Obama just got thrown out of the race though lol.
Heaven forbid! Does that mean Hillary could get the nomination by default? :rofl:
I think we're doing both. Just because you do one does not mean you aren't doing the other.
Called the ability to multi-task. Something we MX bikers know all about. Right SL? :uhoh:.......:lol:
That would be a hoot if Obama just got thrown out of the race though lol.
Heaven forbid! Does that mean Hillary could get the nomination by default? :rofl:
KustmAce
09-01-2008, 01:43 AM
It never ceases to amaze me how the Obama supporters downplay or trivialize the issue. They made a big deal out of McCain's situation
The same way that McCain supporters downplayed his situation.
Nothing will come of this.
The same way that McCain supporters downplayed his situation.
Nothing will come of this.
2strokebloke
09-01-2008, 03:03 AM
Well neither of them (McCain/Obama) are getting my vote anyway. I just think it's a pathetic ploy to try and pull attention from practical issues at hand.
People easily get worked up over stupid things, but whenever they're faced with an issue that requires them to think (ie any long term issue) they're not interested in thinking about it.
People easily get worked up over stupid things, but whenever they're faced with an issue that requires them to think (ie any long term issue) they're not interested in thinking about it.
BNaylor
09-01-2008, 09:14 AM
I just think it's a pathetic ploy to try and pull attention from practical issues at hand.
I agree in part. Who knows what the real intentions were and the poor timing. All I know is I'd rather see the Democratic and Republican tickets remain the way they are. Sad that the Democrats do not appear to be unified since their convention and then a moron Democrat operative like Berg files the lawsuit which may not have merit. Who knows for sure. The last thing the Republicans need from all of this is another claim the election was stolen if McCain prevails in November. Obama can nip this in the bud by turning over his real birth certificate and/or birth medical records to a disinterested third party like the Federal Court for examination and it will become evidence. End of story, case dismissed and on with the election.
Personally I could care less about it and find the whole thing comical especially seeing the left/liberals that believe this particular issue is a right wing conspiracy. :rolleyes:.......:lol:
I agree in part. Who knows what the real intentions were and the poor timing. All I know is I'd rather see the Democratic and Republican tickets remain the way they are. Sad that the Democrats do not appear to be unified since their convention and then a moron Democrat operative like Berg files the lawsuit which may not have merit. Who knows for sure. The last thing the Republicans need from all of this is another claim the election was stolen if McCain prevails in November. Obama can nip this in the bud by turning over his real birth certificate and/or birth medical records to a disinterested third party like the Federal Court for examination and it will become evidence. End of story, case dismissed and on with the election.
Personally I could care less about it and find the whole thing comical especially seeing the left/liberals that believe this particular issue is a right wing conspiracy. :rolleyes:.......:lol:
VR43000GT
09-01-2008, 10:47 AM
Called the ability to multi-task. Something we MX bikers know all about. Right SL? :uhoh:.......:lol:
Truer words have never been spoken. ;)
Heaven forbid! Does that mean Hillary could get the nomination by default? :rofl:
Boxining Announcer: "AND TAKING THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINATION BY DEFAULT, WEGIHING IN AT A BOOZAMY 172lbs........HILDAWWGGGGG!"
Truer words have never been spoken. ;)
Heaven forbid! Does that mean Hillary could get the nomination by default? :rofl:
Boxining Announcer: "AND TAKING THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINATION BY DEFAULT, WEGIHING IN AT A BOOZAMY 172lbs........HILDAWWGGGGG!"
YogsVR4
09-06-2008, 09:35 PM
Obama is a dimwitted party hack, but he is a citizen.
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BNaylor
09-07-2008, 10:13 AM
Obama is a dimwitted party hack, but he is a citizen.
:lol:
Aka Barry Soetoro. Also, past citizen of Indonesia. :runaround:
Photo Source: AP/Daylife
This registration document, made available on Jan. 24, 2007, by the Fransiskus Assisi school in Jakarta, Indonesia, shows the registration of Barack Obama under the name Barry Soetoro into the Catholic school made by his step-father, Lolo Soetoro. The document lists Barry Soetoro as a Indonesian citizen, born on August 4, 1961 in Honolulu, and shows his Muslim step-father listed the boy's religion as Islam.(AP Photo/ Tatan Syuflana)
http://blog.changeandexperience.com/2008/08/barack-obamas-indonesian-registration.html
Another recent gaffe. :screwy:
Barack Obama already thinks He's President (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/09/06/obama-tells-indianans-hes-already-president)
:lol:
Aka Barry Soetoro. Also, past citizen of Indonesia. :runaround:
Photo Source: AP/Daylife
This registration document, made available on Jan. 24, 2007, by the Fransiskus Assisi school in Jakarta, Indonesia, shows the registration of Barack Obama under the name Barry Soetoro into the Catholic school made by his step-father, Lolo Soetoro. The document lists Barry Soetoro as a Indonesian citizen, born on August 4, 1961 in Honolulu, and shows his Muslim step-father listed the boy's religion as Islam.(AP Photo/ Tatan Syuflana)
http://blog.changeandexperience.com/2008/08/barack-obamas-indonesian-registration.html
Another recent gaffe. :screwy:
Barack Obama already thinks He's President (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/09/06/obama-tells-indianans-hes-already-president)
2strokebloke
09-07-2008, 11:11 AM
I'm still totally lost as to why any of this should matter one wit.
Exactly what detail am I supposed to be caring about? That his stepfather lent him his last name and religion? Or do you have a problem with Indonesia or catholic schools? Or what?
Exactly what detail am I supposed to be caring about? That his stepfather lent him his last name and religion? Or do you have a problem with Indonesia or catholic schools? Or what?
BNaylor
09-07-2008, 11:21 AM
I'm still totally lost as to why any of this should matter one wit.
Exactly what detail am I supposed to be caring about? That his stepfather lent him his last name and religion? Or do you have a problem with Indonesia or catholic schools? Or what?
For me a good laugh. :lol:
Nope! Do you? I have a big problem with Obama....period! Can't you tell. :naughty:
Exactly what detail am I supposed to be caring about? That his stepfather lent him his last name and religion? Or do you have a problem with Indonesia or catholic schools? Or what?
For me a good laugh. :lol:
Nope! Do you? I have a big problem with Obama....period! Can't you tell. :naughty:
2strokebloke
09-07-2008, 11:54 AM
Attack a person's ideas, not the person. Otherwise you're just like the person saying McCain is too old to be president. :icon16:
BNaylor
09-07-2008, 12:05 PM
Attack a person's ideas, not the person. Otherwise you're just like the person saying McCain is too old to be president. :icon16:
Unless you have been living on another planet I've done plenty of that. Waste of time. His ideas suck!!!!
Unless you have been living on another planet I've done plenty of that. Waste of time. His ideas suck!!!!
YogsVR4
09-07-2008, 04:06 PM
Attack a person's ideas, not the person. Otherwise you're just like the person saying McCain is too old to be president. :icon16:
Ones to old. The others a nitwit socialist.
Yup, still screwed.
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09-07-2008, 04:31 PM
:lol:
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09-09-2008, 08:35 PM
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BNaylor
09-12-2008, 07:21 PM
oops....
Freudian slip! :rofl:
Sitting around the campfire and singing " Oops, I Did It Again" by Britney instead of Kumbya.
Freudian slip! :rofl:
Sitting around the campfire and singing " Oops, I Did It Again" by Britney instead of Kumbya.
gatoratoy227
09-16-2008, 12:42 AM
IT says in the constitution that you have to be American born to be able to even run for president. If you're not born in the states you can't be elected. Apperently this law has been forgotten
BNaylor
09-16-2008, 01:05 AM
IT says in the constitution that you have to be American born to be able to even run for president. If you're not born in the states you can't be elected. Apperently this law has been forgotten
This what Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution says:
Article II, Section 1
No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articleii.html
This what Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution says:
Article II, Section 1
No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articleii.html
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