You Don't Need that SUV!!!

What the hell is wrong with all of you people out there? Why are you all still buying these big ass SUV's when you don't even need them? If you only drive it on the interstate, empty, to and from work what is the point? I am so sick of seeing all you rich bastards driving around in your V8 SUV's when you all know you have never put anything big in it, you have never towed anything, and you don't have 8 kids! Why are you making everyone else suffer? Is it because you think you look good? Is it because you are just waiting for that one time someone asks you to tow something for them? I can't think why anyone would continue to buy them! Buy what you need! If we all pull together maybe we can make gas a little cheaper and keep the earth around a little longer!

They need room for their ego's.

^ And anything they can fit in the back, but won't put it there because it could cut the leather....

Actuall I heard on National Public Radio that if your SUV is 3 years old or less keep it. The lose in value of selling it combined with the lose the day you drive a smaller car off the lot will be alot more than you can save in gas. Some people are just stuck with a bad situation.

SUVs are nothing, I have a neighbour down the road that drives a God Damn hummer. Probably makes up for some short commings or something.

The reason I bought my suv is to haul around all the crap we carry. I do agree with the soccer mom image driving the loaded 8mpg hummer, it does seem a little excessive, but they are not solely to blame for the current issue with fuel prices. It's more global economy and politics, every time someone blows something up in the mid east, oil goes up.

What does anyone even need a car for? All people have do is get off their *sses and walk, ride a bike, or wait a minute! We could build a vehicle that runs on self-righteousness - we'll never need to worry about filling it, it'll be full of sh*t all the time :rolleyes:.

Oops, hang on, if that were the case, there would still be all of that hot air contributing to 'climate change' or whatever they've labeled it now. I guess there's no solution to the problem. Whatever shall we do?

Please, people.... Whatever it is that you believe, do your part to make things better they way you see fit in your life. Don't go telling everyone that something is right just because something was on t.v., or you read it on the internet, or your teacher told you. It doesn't mean that it's true. Do your own research, dig back to the source of the issue (whatever it may be), and draw your own conclusions.

I'm only saying this because I'm tired of people trying to force their beliefs on others before actually looking into the issue for themselves. (SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!:shakehead )

It pisses me off when I'm told to quit smoking, or not drive my car, etc. because of someone else's inability to think for themselves. Am I wrong? maybe... Should I cater to every little whim that someone spews out? Definitely not!
Remember; opinions are like assholes, everybody's got one... (some of them stink)

I'm well aware of the fact that I'm essentially being a hypocrite, and forcing my views upon everyone else, but aren't we all hypocrites in some small way?:confused:

Anyways, I'll draw back into my corner and let everybody go back to whatever it is that they were doing before I got all pissy:tongue:.

It pisses me off when I'm told to quit smoking, .
Whoa dude, Maybe you should go burn one...:lol:

What does anyone even need a car for? All people have do is get off their *sses and walk, ride a bike, or wait a minute! We could build a vehicle that runs on self-righteousness - we'll never need to worry about filling it, it'll be full of sh*t all the time :rolleyes:.

Oops, hang on, if that were the case, there would still be all of that hot air contributing to 'climate change' or whatever they've labeled it now. I guess there's no solution to the problem. Whatever shall we do?

Please, people.... Whatever it is that you believe, do your part to make things better they way you see fit in your life. Don't go telling everyone that something is right just because something was on t.v., or you read it on the internet, or your teacher told you. It doesn't mean that it's true. Do your own research, dig back to the source of the issue (whatever it may be), and draw your own conclusions.

I'm only saying this because I'm tired of people trying to force their beliefs on others before actually looking into the issue for themselves. (SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!:shakehead )

It pisses me off when I'm told to quit smoking, or not drive my car, etc. because of someone else's inability to think for themselves. Am I wrong? maybe... Should I cater to every little whim that someone spews out? Definitely not!
Remember; opinions are like assholes, everybody's got one... (some of them stink)

I'm well aware of the fact that I'm essentially being a hypocrite, and forcing my views upon everyone else, but aren't we all hypocrites in some small way?:confused:

Anyways, I'll draw back into my corner and let everybody go back to whatever it is that they were doing before I got all pissy:tongue:.

yo you really should quit smoking though man. that shit is bad for you.

Whoa dude, Maybe you should go burn one...:lol:

:smokin: for sure.... it makes me look cool :biggrin:

BP2K2Max; you should stop riding your motorcycle..... it's too dangerous :tongue:.

They need room for their egos.
There you go....or maybe they need to have something to help with their huge insecurity problem.

Or maybe compensating for something else....

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

Who the fuck cares?

so what if they want to drive an SUV. does it affect your life?


no, so shut up and stop crying about it. you're just jealous of it. get over yourself.

Sorry but certainly not jealous. This is coming from someone who just sold his Chevy Blazer! (Used to tow ATV's but grew out of that) They were built for a specific purpose! That purpose is not to compensate for your small penis syndrome! I want my kids to be able to enjoy this planet. I want their kids and their kids' kids to be able to enjoy it just as much as we get to! I agree that wiping all the SUV's off the earth will not stop "global warming" or solve this gas "crisis" we are in now but it certainly won't hurt anything! To those who own one and actually use it for what it was built for I say own on but to those who get it to make yourself look cool it is not working! And to you 2.2 I would just say settle down! Why do you care so much that I care? Sounds like you are getting awefully defensive over such a small issue! I will just assume you are one of those who are way over compensating for something!

Everyone wants to whine about what other people have. so what if they have a huge car/truck that gets 15mpg. if they want it, let them have it. i'm so tired of this "nanny state" culture where everyone wants to point the finger, gudge and tell everyone else what they can and can't have.

My boss has a Range Rover Sport Supercharged. she drives it from her house to the shop. which is literally a 5 minute walk. mildly ridiculous, but so what? do i care? no.

Does my mum need a 4.2-litre Jaguar for the driving she does? no. but she wants it. and she can have it.

I want a Ford F-250 6-litre turbo diesel. do i need it? no, i want it. and my freedom dictate that i can have it. so if anyone has a problem with that, tough.

Contrary to popular belief, "gas guzzlers" do not cause global warming, will not kill our kids and won't bring the world to an end either.

Everyone wants to whine about what other people have. so what if they have a huge car/truck that gets 15mpg. if they want it, let them have it.

Not everyone whines about what others have that they want, you have to admit. Some have other reasons to whine, complain, kvetch, bitch, whatever term you put to it.

There is a vast difference between what you WANT and what you NEED. I think the SUV (actually, aren't they just redesigned station wagons, hmmm?) is 90% of the time used as a status symbol for those that are lacking in the self confidence or penile size department, or both. At least that's the way it is here -- you almost never see one towing, off roading, or hauling a lot of people or equipment. Oh, there's the exception of a family traveling or a tradesman or such, but mostly it's just this teeny woman/girl driving by herself, twirling her hair and talking on the cell phone while she applies makeup. (Hyperbole for humor and to make the point)

But...since we're on the interweb and we haven't heard from the author as to whether they are stress reliefing because they think these people don't need them, or because they want one and are jealous, and the title of the thread is, "You Don't Need That SUV!" then I go with bitching because the people they've seen don't need it...and just have it for the status reasons.

:cwm27:

That is all I meant when I originally posted this! If you need an SUV then I have no problem with it! If you need a big truck I have no problem with that! I am sick of people thinking "the bigger the car I drive the cooler I am." It just does not make up for anything! It is just one giant ego trip!

It pisses me off too. I have a big truck for when I need it, but I have driven it less than 3 times this year for a total of less than 100 miles. The rest of the time I drive a 4-cyl car that gets 32 MPG. I have always thought that global warming was a bunch of crap (http://www.firesociety.com/article/24204/), but it doesn't take much smarts to realize that if millions of unnecesary SUVs and pickups are taken off the roads, gas prices will go down. I'm by no means rich, nor am I poor, so it really doesn't hurt me if I'm paying 50 cents per gallon (or whatever it would be) more than if we had no SUVs, but when you're driving behind a guy in a suit driving an SUV who passes the Geo Metro in front of him that has 5 people in it, it really makes you think "someone really needs a kick in the nuts".

i want an F-250. it will go off-road, it will haul stuff, it will be used for work.

could i get by without one? yes. do i essentially need it? no.

i want one. it's not an ego thing, it's not a compensation thing. it's not to make me seem cooler. it's because i like them. same reason i'd like a Range Rover Sport. i like big cars/trucks. it's not even about feeling more protected or anything. i just like them.

but whether someone else needs an SUV is none of your business. so what if they don't? i live in London, and 95% of the SUVs around here are mothers driving the school run. the vast majority of them can't drive these cars. of all the ones i've seen on my travels around the city, apart from friends, i've only seen two that actually go off-road.

we can live on bread and water. we like having more. it's as simple as that.

Hey I am just throwing my opinion out there! I say if there is a chance you will use that large vehicle then great! Go out and buy one! But if you owned that F-250 or the Range Rover plus a smaller car like the Volkswagon would you always drive the bigger one?

Cool, more people telling other people what they need. They sound like good little communists.













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Sounds like someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed!

Most people who drive SUV's, at least up here in Minnesota, commute daily by themselves. I rarely ever see them being used for anything other than commuting, or even with multiple passengers in tow. And the SUV commuters also seem to be the same people who are now complaining about gas prices. Cracks me up like nothing else...just a bunch of good old fashioned morons.

those who own and run the big vehicles have the right to do so, whether or not they need to. Every aspect of having one of those comes at a cost. They consume more fuel which the owners invariably accept and pay for. If it is excessive for their purposes, what matter is it because after all, they are paying for the excess.

Let's change the subject matter.

Who needs a 400+BHP, 180+ MPH coupe?
MPG the issue?
Let's ban RX8s.
Too much CO2?
Let's ban everything pre 2002 with an engine bigger than 1.4 litres.
Let's also make it illegal for a car to more than two empty seats when-ever it is driven. Let's also GPS link all cars so that all short journeys that last less than 10 minutes are tolled.

Well I certainly agree with all of your points. But let's just eliminate all the unused SUVs to start. Don't want to bite off more than we can chew!!! :)

My personal favorite is buying an SUV for your incompetent twit of a teenage child because "they'll be safer". Thanks, I'll die because you couldn't be bothered to teach your child to drive responsibly in a reasonably-sized vehicle.

Living in Suburbian HELL, I see daily commuters in their gargantuan SUVs and just shake my head. Yes, I have an oversized wagon of a car - and when I bought it I was fearing for my life when driving on redneck, backcountry roads in my compact sedan with no airbags. If anything would have happened between my lil sedan and the mega-lifted pickup trucks it was abundantly clear I would cease existence in a flash... but at least the trucks were out in the country driving on largely unpaved roads or towing farm equipment/supplies.

My personal favorite is buying an SUV for your incompetent twit of a teenage child because "they'll be safer". Thanks, I'll die because you couldn't be bothered to teach your child to drive responsibly in a reasonably-sized vehicle.

Living in Suburbian HELL, I see daily commuters in their gargantuan SUVs and just shake my head. Yes, I have an oversized wagon of a car - and when I bought it I was fearing for my life when driving on redneck, backcountry roads in my compact sedan with no airbags. If anything would have happened between my lil sedan and the mega-lifted pickup trucks it was abundantly clear I would cease existence in a flash... but at least the trucks were out in the country driving on largely unpaved roads or towing farm equipment/supplies.

I agree. . . . Nothing like having to cut one of your children out of a rolled over SUV!!! :crying:

Oh by the way. . . . GO BROWNS!!!!

those who own and run the big vehicles have the right to do so, whether or not they need to. Every aspect of having one of those comes at a cost. They consume more fuel which the owners invariably accept and pay for. If it is excessive for their purposes, what matter is it because after all, they are paying for the excess.

Let's change the subject matter.

Who needs a 400+BHP, 180+ MPH coupe?
MPG the issue?
Let's ban RX8s.
Too much CO2?
Let's ban everything pre 2002 with an engine bigger than 1.4 litres.
Let's also make it illegal for a car to more than two empty seats when-ever it is driven. Let's also GPS link all cars so that all short journeys that last less than 10 minutes are tolled.

Poor gas mileage is not the only drawback for SUV's. They are very dangerous for other drivers on the road due to their weight, they are dangerous to occupants because of their high center of gravity, they block lines of sight because of their massive size, and they put significantly greater stresses on our already taxed transportation infrastucture, again because of their weight. There is no logical defense for owning a SUV, and people who attempt to do so are grabbing at straws. It's akin to what Lincoln said about alcohol...SUV's may have many defenders, but no defense.

Do people have the right to own SUV's in spite of all of those things? Well, that's a matter of debate. But living in a "free" society does not mean that you necessarily have the right to be socially irresponsible.:2cents:

Very well said!!! It is always a little nerve racking looking in your rear view and seeing a massive Excursion flying up on your ass!!! One of those would have no problem plowing straight through a coupe!

Poor gas mileage is not the only drawback for SUV's. They are very dangerous for other drivers on the road due to their weight, they are dangerous to occupants because of their high center of gravity, they block lines of sight because of their massive size, and they put significantly greater stresses on our already taxed transportation infrastucture, again because of their weight. There is no logical defense for owning a SUV, and people who attempt to do so are grabbing at straws. It's akin to what Lincoln said about alcohol...SUV's may have many defenders, but no defense.

Do people have the right to own SUV's in spite of all of those things? Well, that's a matter of debate. But living in a "free" society does not mean that you necessarily have the right to be socially irresponsible.:2cents:

But surely, if you see a bigger vehicle up ahead, you would change your driving accordingly.
Do you tailgate lorries? Or buses?
I'm not defending the SUV, I'm defending people's right to choose them because in choosing them, they are accepting the costs and whatnot that goes with them. If you fear them on the road, give them a little more space. That aint rocket science.

As for the times when you see a great big heffer flying towards you in your mirror; the same can be said for any vehicle flying towards you quickly.

The real problem I see isn't that they have chosen an SUV but more why they have chosen an SUV. If people are properly educated about the ins and outs of an SUV then I'd say the chastising of their choice of an SUV is more valid but as it is, I don't think the average joe knows anything that would amount to a hill of beans regarding safety in/around a larger vehicle, costs of energy in production, cost in terms of pollution etc etc.

They are just the easiest target of a group that are already unfairly targeted. The way I see it, Government targets car drivers and car drivers target SUVs.

As for their danger to occupants.
Can't the same be said for the older (and/or) smaller car?
Not sure if you've seen tests where they've crashed newer cars against older cars. The older car usually gets obliterated. If passenger safety is also at stake, then add to my earlier list:
ban all cars pre 2000 and not at least euro ncap 4* (or equivalent) rated.

On the flip side, I'm pretty sure a Range Rover or Cayenne are perfectly safe vehicles.

Tall, high centre of gravity?
How about the good old london bus.
Double decker, no seat belts; tall and unsafe in an accident.

Tall, high centre of gravity?
How about the good old london bus.
Double decker, no seat belts; tall and unsafe in an accident.

But it's so touristy and quaint. :icon16:

They are also not flying down the interstate at 85 mph!!! Never been there so I guess I just hope they don't!

They are also not flying down the interstate at 85 mph!!! Never been there so I guess I just hope they don't!

how is an SUV at 85mph on an interstate any more dangerous than any other car at 85mph on an interstate?

I just think I would rather get hit by an Eclipse doing 85 rather than an Expedition doing 85! Just feel like I would rather take my chances with the smaller of the two!

that doesn't answer my question.

Well usually the bigger the vehicle the heavier it is! My two door Grand Am has a better chance of stopping a 2000 pound vehicle than it does stopping a 4000 pound vehicle before it gets through and hits me!

Weight does not make a car more or less dangerous.
How you drive does.

As I said before, if you do not change your driving around a larger vehicle, or if the driver of the larger vehicle doesn't change how he drives, then you need to rethink how you drive. If you can't see because of a large vehicle, don't drive so close and allow more space so you can see. If larger vehicle is approaching you at speed, pull over.

how safe is your grand am against something like a Euro Ncap 5 star rated Renault Laguna? How about something smaller like the also 5 star rated Clio?
what then?
Ban the bigger, safer car or ban the car that is less safe?
Ban the larger car (i.e not the Clio)?

By your flawed reasoning, because people like me drive a car that weighs less than 2000lbs, your bigger heavier car shouldn't be allowed?

Accidents are caused by people.
The way I see it, don't target the cars, target the people.
If you get rid of people who are likely to cause accidents because of the way they drive, then it doesn't matter what they drive because even if they do get into a mishap, their driving behaviour should mean that any accident isn't going to be as severe as one caused by a complete idiot.

No?

A crash at 85mph will do a lot of damage, regardless of what size or weight the car is.

Want proof? Refer to my sig.

so you're the one who caused me to sit in traffic for 2 hours....

A crash at 85mph will do a lot of damage, regardless of what size or weight the car is. Want proof? Refer to my sig.

So what the hell did you run into or what ran into you?

I hit something stationary. I'm not going into the details of the crash for various reasons.

80mph-0mph in a fraction of a second.

Well glad to see you are OK! Good thing you were buckled up! That thing probably had air bags huh?

Driver's airbag only.

I'm not going into the details of the crash for various reasons.


Why, were you in a school zone when school was letting out and street racing?

No wait, you wouldn't do anything that silly :lol2:

how is an SUV at 85mph on an interstate any more dangerous than any other car at 85mph on an interstate?

Weight (mass) plays a very prominent role in the outcome
of crashes. Grossly simplified: the heavier the
vehicle, the safer it is for its occupants. The other side
of this, however, is: the heavier the other party (the
larger the mass difference), the worse the outcome
for the lighter-weight vehicle’s occupants.

The incompatibility problem already plays an important
role in crashes between cars of the same type,
but it is an even more fundamental problem between
unequal traffic parties. Passenger cars are relatively
disadvantaged in crashes with heavy goods vehicles,
but on the other hand, pedestrians and cyclists are
very seriously disadvantaged in crashes with passenger
cars.

From: http://www.swov.nl/rapport/dmdv/Advancing_Sustainable_Safety.pdf

but again, the weight does not make the heavier car itself the more dangerous. What it does do as your quoted text says, and something which I never denied, is make accidents worse. That does not however, change the simple fact that an suv is not by itself a dangerous thing, which is what I am asking about. It is only a dangerous thing when driven badly (by a bad driver) but that can be said about any car.

I completely agree with you! An SUV is only as dangerous as the driver! The problem is that most SUV owners are not very good drivers! I think it is an ego thing. I just see all these people with these huge vehicles that think because their car is bigger they own the road. What I am saying is that in the case of an accident, forget the driver, an SUV is dangerous! I would much rather be hit by a small car than a big SUV!

but again, in the case of an accident, I'd rather be in a Euro Ncap 5 star rated car than anything else. Does that mean that all cars that are not 5 star rated should be banned?

Please don't get me wrong, I'm not defending the SUV.
I just don't like how people don't seem to think about the reasons most often cited against them and how those reasons apply to all cars, not just suvs.

And lets be honest here; speed causes more accidents than weight does.
How many here would vote for a compulsive speed restriction on cars?
Speed also means higher output engines that burn more fuel and emit more carbons.
Everything cited against SUVs as a menace to roads can be applied to performance cars.

And lets be honest here; speed causes more accidents than weight does. How many here would vote for a compulsive speed restriction on cars?

Speed in itself does not cause accidents, if all the vehicles are going in the same direction at the same speed there will be no accidents and we do have "compulsive speed resticions" it's called the posted speed limit. Maybe you meant speeders cause more accidents.

No, I meant speed.
It was in reference to the mentioning of weight being more dangerous.
Speed itself is not the cause of accidents just as weight itself is not a cause of accidents. If someone insists that weight makes an SUV more dangerous then speed also makes cars more dangerous.

It was my roundabout way of saying that an SUV is not more dangerous because it is heavier in the same way that a Supercar isn't more dangerous because it is faster.

I know we're talking about car crashes here, but this is turning into a train wreck.

Agreed! As the OP this was not my intention! I understand that everyone has their own choice and I don't have a problem with those who need these big ass vehicles!!! I could just never understand those who never tow anything, never put anything in it, and don't need the space. I just think they would be happier in a smaller vehicle!

honestly texting while driving seems to be the biggest problem I've been seeing while driving my truck(about 400 miles a day). If I see someone swerving around most of the time I see there cellphone in there hand in front of the steering wheel. Texting is WAY worse than talking on the phone. SUVs are seeming to become less and less of a problem as fuel prices sky rocket. Before you know it it'll be those heavy hybrids out there killing people with there battery packs 'n such.

Man I have to agree with you!!! Why the hell do people think they can text and drive at the same time! It ought to be an automatic license suspension if you get caught texting! I can see talking on the phone and driving but texting?

I was codriving down to miami with a 53' semi last month. My codriver would text 80% of the time. He was a real good driver when he wasn't texting and a very sucky one when he was. That is absolutely terrifying to think about.

Sure is! Makes ya wonder how many are texting and driving!

Man I have to agree with you!!! Why the hell do people think they can text and drive at the same time! It ought to be an automatic license suspension if you get caught texting! I can see talking on the phone and driving but texting?
Here in NY State it is illegal to use your hand held phone in ANY way while driving. They have made exceptions for people talking on them with Bluetooth headsets. Then it's like talking to your passenger (which can still be distracting.

My input on the SUV: My younger brother bought a 1999 Toyota Four-runner brand new in 1999. With in 4 days of buying, he had it out in the woods taking his mountain bike out to a trail for a ride. He still has it and it has been his daily driver for 9 years. Yes, he commutes daily by himself. But that thing will still see trails and fields for as long as he owns it (and has the time to go mountain biking).

My older brother (actually his wife) is leasing a 2006 BMW X5. It does NOT go off road (even though my brother wants to try it :grinyes: ). So, I've seen both sides.

I was going to buy an SUV this year, a Nissan Xterra. What a concept: a modern SUV actually DESIGNED to go off road (no frilly "extras" like leather seats). There again, I would have used it primarily for hauling some of my band's PA equipment as well as my own amps and guitars, but also would have done my share of off-roading in it. Sad to say, a new job with a $6 an hour pay cut put the kibosh on that. (but the new job is only a 3 minute walk from my house so I'm saving :2cents:)

I do agree with a lot of people here. WHY buy something that you won't be using as it was originally designed to be used? :loser:

I've been driving my 2000 Impala for 6 years. It's a big car and gets better mileage than a lot of smaller cars with smaller engines. I have the 200hp 3.8L V6 and still (with 131, 000 miles on it) get 28 - 31 MPG on the highway. I see car ads for new smaller cars with smaller engines "bragging" about 30mpg.

Does my mum need a 4.2-litre Jaguar for the driving she does? no. but she wants it. and she can have it.

I want a Ford F-250 6-litre turbo diesel. do i need it? no, i want it. and my freedom dictate that i can have it. so if anyone has a problem with that, tough.



Do I NEED that liter (or litre for you Europeans) bottle of Jack Daniels? No, but I want it. :cwm27:

Sorry, couldn't resist. :evillol:

so what if they want to drive an SUV. does it affect your life?

Actually yes, if you get t-boned by a car would you rather it be a hummer or a civic?

People driving three ton escalades and yacking on their cell phones endanger everybody.

It's all about at what point do your rights end and mine begin? If you want to smoke, thats your right, if you want to smoke around me you are assaulting my right not to get cancer from second hand smoke.