AF U.S Presidential Poll! (Pt. 2)

New poll with the remaining candidates left.

RepublicansDemocrats

http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2007/01/20/PH2007012001102.jpg John McCain (http://projects.washingtonpost.com/2008-presidential-candidates/john-mccain/)http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2007/01/20/PH2007012001141.jpg Hillary Clinton (http://projects.washingtonpost.com/2008-presidential-candidates/hillary-clinton/)


http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2007/01/17/PH2007011701324.jpg Mike Huckabee (http://projects.washingtonpost.com/2008-presidential-candidates/mike-huckabee/)http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2007/01/20/PH2007012001136.jpg Barack Obama (http://projects.washingtonpost.com/2008-presidential-candidates/barack-obama/)

http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2007/01/23/PH2007012300812.jpg Ron Paul (http://projects.washingtonpost.com/2008-presidential-candidates/ron-paul/)http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2007/01/17/PH2007011701269.jpg Mike Gravel (http://projects.washingtonpost.com/2008-presidential-candidates/mike-gravel/)
(http://projects.washingtonpost.com/2008-presidential-candidates/ron-paul/)
http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2007/10/26/PH2007102601494.jpg Alan Keyes (http://projects.washingtonpost.com/2008-presidential-candidates/alan-keyes/)

Thanks for taking the time and effort for updating and revising this.


Here is a good site to see the status of the Democratic and Republican Primaries and Caucuses:

Republican Party (http://news.aol.com/elections/primary/main/republicans)

Democratic Party (http://news.aol.com/elections/primary/main/democrats)

When did Alan Keyes throw his hat in the ring?

On a side note, I voted for Obama. I can't in my right mind vote for Hillary, who has been so inconsistent with where she stands it drives me insane. If she ends up getting the democratic nod, I'll be giving my vote to John McCain (I'm a moderate, by the way).

I recall reading something about Keys in the race but possibly only the Boston Globe has any annotation of it. He has a big zero.

In Texas we vote March 4. Winner takes all for Republican, 140 delegates. For Demo 228 delegates at stake awarded proportionally. :runaround:

I still want Ron Paul, but it's not looking so good now. If it comes down to hillary or McCain, as it now appears it may, I will be voting for McCain.

I hope I'm not the only one that finds it funny that Hillary is the best thing for the republican party and Barack is the best thing for the Dems.

This years election, is by far the strangest I've ever seen.

Not real sure if any of them are going to be any better, or any worse then the previous presidents.
IMO It just boils down to who can talk shit better and who's the best bluffer .


Just be glad I'm not running for office ! :thumbsup:


:lol:

I hope I'm not the only one that finds it funny that Hillary is the best thing for the republican party and Barack is the best thing for the Dems.

McCain is going to be good for the democrats. He'll never be able to motivate the bulk of conservatives to his cause.













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In the end, I see McCain winning this election. He even looks like he should be on a coin. :lol:

Never say never. :grinno:.....:lol:

As usual the Conservatives will resolve their issues regarding McCain and rally behind his inevitable nomination. Even swing voters and Moderates may vote for him in November. I prefer the days of Reagan. Republican Prez with a Demo Congress in the majority.

McCain is going to be good for the democrats. He'll never be able to motivate the bulk of conservatives to his cause.
Be that as it may, I still see many left-leaning moderates possibly voting for McCain if Hillary gets the democratic nomination. While he isn't the most popular choice for the conservatives, she's not exactly a shining star on the democratic side that is taking the election by storm.

McCain is about the worst thing for the Democrats because of his percieved moderate positions. Truth be told, most Americans consider themselves to be moderates. Once the primaries are over, you will see both of the candidates moving towards the middle and proclaiming thier middle-of-the-road stances to try to get these people. McCain is hated by the far right (Coulter, Rush, etc), which will make him more attractive and easier to vote for by the average American. He is already close to the middle of the political spectrum, Clinton is pretty far to the left right now and would have a hard time coming back to the center.

According to CNN polling, McCain is the closest Republican candidate to beating Obama in a national election and he is the only Republican candidate (including Romney, Thompson, and Guiliani) that beats Clinton. While his stances on campaign finance reform and immigration hurt him in the Republican primaries, they help him much more with moderates and independents.

Classically red states will still vote for McCain, classically blue states will vote for the Democratic candidates, and it will all probably come down to Florida, Ohio, Michigan, and Pennsylvania.

I hope I'm not the only one that finds it funny that Hillary is the best thing for the republican party and Barack is the best thing for the Dems.

WHAT!? Explain please?

Isn't the majority Democrats now ?

We Need some sort of balance to the system.
I'm still flip flop on the whole bunch. :dunno:

I sure dont want CLinton or Obama, and Huckabee didnt they make a movie the Huckabee's .. ?

And then that Ron Paul, he gives me creepy bad vibes.
Kinda like that uncle who likes to take you into the back room and read stories. :eek7:

What happens if no one votes ??

Little blurb in our local paper today about the results of our local voting numbers in our county this past Super Tuesday. Seems that both Clinton and Obama received exactly 6,001 votes each:eek: That goes to show you how important each and every vote is. I can't believe how many elections in our area have been decided by only a few votes, with some results changed to the other side after the absentee and military ballots are counted. Never noticed this happening so much before in elections over the past 20 or so years, just within the past few years.

WHAT!? Explain please?
What I mean is that Hillary is a much more polarizing figure than Obama is to Democrats. What seems to be the case (in my area anyway) is that with Obama, he's a fairly unknown candidate and thus for many, requires more research and convincing. He's a candidate that could sway more voters based on his progression through the campaign process. However, with Hillary, it seems to be more of a "You love her/you hate her" relationship with many democrats, particularly the more moderate dems being weary of her due to her wishy-washy stances on things such as the war in Irag, among other issues. That said, I feel that if Hillary DOES get the democratic nod to play opposite McCain in the general elections, those democrats that who voted for Obama as an alternative to Hillary - especially the more moderate democrats - may be more inclined to vote republican instead of voting for someone they may not agree with/would really rather not see in the White House. Sort of a "vote for the lesser of two evils."

Not only that, but I think there are probably a good handful of democrats who would rather not see another Clinton in the White House. I also think that with the way the campaigning against Obama is going and with the recent replacement of her Campaign Manager, Clinton is losing steam and is looking at a potential uphill battle, which increases the potential for republican gain come general election time. Contrary to what she might say, it IS a big deal to replace your campaign manager after a four-state weekend with no wins, especially this far into the race and following an extremely close Super Tuesday. People supporting Clinton are no doubt (some, not all) wondering what is ahead. Today's (Tuesday's) DC, Virginia and Maryland elections could be a big indicator of whether or not Hillary still has some fight in her or if the Obama-train is pulling away, full-steam ahead.

Am I making sense with this? That's just something that I see at this point. Doesn't make it right. Just something I see through my eyes:smile:.

This might be a little simpler explaination of why Republicans might want Clinton as the Democratic nominee-

-According to many polls, in a general election between Clinton and McCain, McCain beats or is close to Clinton.

-In the same polls, but in a general election between Obama and McCain, McCain trails Obama by a bit more.

So if you want McCain to win, Clinton is the better candidate for him to run against in a general election between Obama and Clinton because polling shows he has a better chance of beating her.

I personally like Obama much more then Clinton, but I would rather see McCain win then either of them. McCain has better odds at beating Clinton, so I want her to be the candidate. Its kind of a catch-22. If a democrat is going to win, I would rather it be Obama, but I would rather McCain win then either Democrat.

This might be a little simpler explaination of why Republicans might want Clinton as the Democratic nominee-

-According to many polls, in a general election between Clinton and McCain, McCain beats or is close to Clinton.

-In the same polls, but in a general election between Obama and McCain, McCain trails Obama by a bit more.

So if you want McCain to win, Clinton is the better candidate for him to run against in a general election between Obama and Clinton because polling shows he has a better chance of beating her.

I personally like Obama much more then Clinton, but I would rather see McCain win then either of them. McCain has better odds at beating Clinton, so I want her to be the candidate. Its kind of a catch-22. If a democrat is going to win, I would rather it be Obama, but I would rather McCain win then either Democrat.
While I don't agree with your choice in candidate (which is fine - that's politics :smile:) in essence, yes, that's what I was trying to say.

I'm all about the long-winded replies, it seems. Thanks for shortening it and affirming that what I'm thinking isn't purely mad.

Yeah, that's pretty much what I've read in most polls.

The Dems don't have much choice there. If they want McCain in the White House, Hill is their girl. If they want a decent shot at a Dem in the White House, Obama is the way to go.

I'm wondering if the Clintons have finally worn out their welcome?

I'm wondering if the Clintons have finally worn out their welcome?

:lol:

Ohio and Texas might be the key to her fate and Bill's for that matter. :dunno: See link below.


For Clinton, Ohio, Texas emerge as must-wins
Obama’s victories have Clinton working to reassure donors, superdelegates

Click here (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23119050/)

I predict McCain will win. Obama will get the people's vote, the super delegates will give the nomination to Clinton instead. Everyone that voted for Obama will get pissed off and not vote in the general election.

I predict McCain will win. Obama will get the people's vote, the super delegates will give the nomination to Clinton instead. Everyone that voted for Obama will get pissed off and not vote in the general election.
I don't know about that. There is a story in the NY Times today that says many of the superdelegates that have committed themselves to Clinton are not feeling very reassured by her recent performance. Whether that translates into less support from the remaining superdelegates is yet to be seen.

(here's the story (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/12/us/politics/12clinton.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin), by the way)

Am I making sense with this? That's just something that I see at this point. Doesn't make it right. Just something I see through my eyes:smile:.

Makes sense now. The first time I read your post, I thought you meant that hillary better fulfilled the wants of Republican voters. I completely agree with what you said. I wouldn't vote for her if I had a gun to my head. Although I wouldn't, because she'd take them away. :)... wait, why am I smiling? That's not funny. :headshake

Well guys Hillary was in town yesterday, El Paso, Texas. Spoke out at UTEP. From what I saw in her pep rally speech broadcast on local news she looked like a washed out cheerleader. :lol: She is fighting hard for Texas though. Mainly the Hispanic vote. For example this county is over 80% Hispanic and it was her first stop on her Texas tour.

She is fighting hard for Texas though. Mainly the Hispanic vote. For example this county is over 80% Hispanic and it was her first stop on her Texas tour.
The way Obama is gaining ground, they might be the only votes she can get.

I still think the polls are calling it correctly; a Clinton win would push moderates to McCain.

Looks like Ralph Nader perennial Presidential candidate has decided once again to join the race: http://www.votenader.org/index.html

Well, it looks like McCain is the presumptive nominee for the Republican Party nomination. He has all the delegates needed.

And it looks like Hillary won Texas, Ohio and Rhode Island but Obama is still around 80+ delegates ahead since the dust has settled. I'm not surprised Hillary got at least 69% of the votes over Obama's 28% in my county. During the campaigning she visited once, Chelsea once and Bill two times. They were all treated like VIPs with police escort and motorcade. :rolleyes:

Al I have to say Bob is you guys sure have some weird primary/caucus rules in your state. Like Bill Clinton said about it," It's the only place you can vote twice in the same election and not get thrown in jail." :lol:

Not Hilllary or Obama,they are both gun haters and are for gun control.I know the NRA will come out with attack ads on both of them and I am a member of the NRA.I read this in a magazine article from the NRA,First Freedom with their voting records on proposed gun control laws.I will not support one that is for gun control

Any predictions that Hillary steals it from Obama, but that won't draw nearly as much airplay as GW "stealing" the elections from the Dems?

Damn, I am SO ready to see both the Clinton and Bush names disappear from the spotlight. :shakehead

Not Hilllary or Obama,they are both gun haters and are for gun control.I know the NRA will come out with attack ads on both of them and I am a member of the NRA.I read this in a magazine article from the NRA,First Freedom with their voting records on proposed gun control laws.I will not support one that is for gun control

I don't think either of them have a chance on that alone. I opted for the hunting magazine (I forget the name... It's right on the cover, you'd think I''d remember :)) when I joined. According to it, there are 14 million active hunters in the US (that's not counting target shooters, or people who havn't hunted in the past year). Of the hunters I know most are, oddly enough, democrats. I can't see a hunter giving up their guns. That's not really scientific, but lets say half of hunters are democrats... that's a huge number of democrats voting for McCain just on one issue.

EDIT: The name of the magazine is "American Hunter", and I was mistaken, there are 12.5 million active hunters. I don't know where I got 14.

Not sure what happened, but looks like this is the new Presidential poll! On a side note, I saw Bill Clinton talk in my town a few days ago.

So has anybody heard about Rev. Wright's sermon? In case you didn't know, he was the pastor at Obama's church. Anyway, here it is.

“And the United States of America government, when it came to treating her citizens of Indian descent, she failed. She put them on reservations.”

“When it came to putting her citizens of Japanese descent fairly, she failed. She put them in interment prison camps.”

“When it came to putting the citizens of African descent fairly, America failed. She put them in chains. The government put them on slave quarters. Put them on auction blocks. Put them in cotton fields. Put them in inferior schools. Put them in substandard housing. Put them scientific experiments. Put them in the lower paying jobs. Put them outside the equal protection of the law. Kept them out of their racist bastions of higher education, and locked them into positions of hopelessness and helplessness.”

“The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three strike law and then wants us to sing God Bless America. Naw, naw, naw. Not God Bless America. God Damn America! That’s in the Bible. For killing innocent people. God Damn America for treating us citizens as less than human. God Damn America as long as she tries to act like she is God and she is Supreme.”

“The United States government has failed the vast majority of her citizens of African descent. Think about this. Think about this. For every one Oprah, a billionaire, you’ve got 5 million blacks that are out of work. For every one Colin Powell, a millionaire, you’ve got 10 million blacks who cannot read. For every one Condi-Skeezer Rice, you’ve got 1 million in prison. For every one Tiger Woods, who needs to get beat at the Masters, with his Cablanasian hips, playing on a course that discriminates against women, God has this way of brining you up short when you get to big for your Cablanasian britches. For every one Tiger Woods, we’ve got 10,000 black kids who will never see a golf course. The United States government has failed the vast majority of her citizens of African descent.”

“Tell your neighbor he’s (going to) help us one last time. Turn back and say forgive him for the God Damn, that’s in the Bible though. Blessings and curses is in the Bible. It’s in the Bible.

“Where government fail, God never fails. When God says it, it’s done. God never fails. When God wills it, you better get out the way, cause God never fails. When God fixes it, oh believe me it’s fixed. God never fails. Somebody right now, you think you can’t make it, but I want you to know that you are more than a conqueror through Christ. You can do all things through Christ who strengthens you.”

“The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color. The government lied.”

I think Mad Magazine put it best, "Colin Powell and Condaliza Rice are shameless sellouts to their race unlike...oh lets say the Rev. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson?"

I'm sorry but this right here is one reason a whole lot of white folks won't vote for a black. They're afraid they'll get in there and their little man syndrome will kick in. You have Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson running around trying to be the voice of all black people and now this. Oh yeah they'll say, "America is just racist, that's why a black can't get into office!" No, even though some people still are, your radical bull shit keeps everyday people from trusting you.

I didn't like Obama anyway but this is just aweful. Sure he's distancing himself but he was there for 20 years listening to that crap.

Poor Martin Luther King Jr. is obviously spinning in his grave.

“And the United States of America government, when it came to treating her citizens of Indian descent, she failed. She put them on reservations.”

“When it came to putting her citizens of Japanese descent fairly, she failed. She put them in interment prison camps.”

“When it came to putting the citizens of African descent fairly, America failed. She put them in chains. The government put them on slave quarters. Put them on auction blocks. Put them in cotton fields. Put them in inferior schools. Put them in substandard housing. Put them scientific experiments. Put them in the lower paying jobs. Put them outside the equal protection of the law. Kept them out of their racist bastions of higher education, and locked them into positions of hopelessness and helplessness.”

“The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three strike law and then wants us to sing God Bless America. Naw, naw, naw. Not God Bless America. God Damn America! That’s in the Bible. For killing innocent people. God Damn America for treating us citizens as less than human. God Damn America as long as she tries to act like she is God and she is Supreme.”

“The United States government has failed the vast majority of her citizens of African descent. Think about this. Think about this. For every one Oprah, a billionaire, you’ve got 5 million blacks that are out of work. For every one Colin Powell, a millionaire, you’ve got 10 million blacks who cannot read. For every one Condi-Skeezer Rice, you’ve got 1 million in prison. For every one Tiger Woods, who needs to get beat at the Masters, with his Cablanasian hips, playing on a course that discriminates against women, God has this way of brining you up short when you get to big for your Cablanasian britches. For every one Tiger Woods, we’ve got 10,000 black kids who will never see a golf course. The United States government has failed the vast majority of her citizens of African descent.”

“Tell your neighbor he’s (going to) help us one last time. Turn back and say forgive him for the God Damn, that’s in the Bible though. Blessings and curses is in the Bible. It’s in the Bible.

“Where government fail, God never fails. When God says it, it’s done. God never fails. When God wills it, you better get out the way, cause God never fails. When God fixes it, oh believe me it’s fixed. God never fails. Somebody right now, you think you can’t make it, but I want you to know that you are more than a conqueror through Christ. You can do all things through Christ who strengthens you.”

“The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color. The government lied.”

:eek2:


Wow. :rolleyes: What can you say other than this man is delusional and crazy. :screwy:

I have already read that speech. Like I said before, I would be tempted to leave if Obama hits office. He is nothing short of a nut case. I would rather almost have Clinton (eww that sounds bad) as a president than that delusional nut.

You realise those are Rev. Wright's words, not Obama's, right?

^Yes.

I think the following article is a very penetrating look at what the illusion of choice brings us: http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2008/06/2008624202053652281.html

Despite his stance on Iraq (we can't just leave), I favored Paul. Though I doubt he could've implemented all of his policies, his pledge to reduce the size of our bloated Federal government was dead-on.

I'm no fan of McCain, but nothing could be worse for our country than Obama. He'll raise taxes on the upper-income brackets and corporations (great idea in a struggling economy) to pay for his socialistic policies. These taxes will be paid by the consumer, mainly (little guy gets the shaft, again, lol). As the economy slows down and more companies move offshore to avoid taxes, revenue falls off. Then, we have an even bigger government operating in the red.

Besides, Obama approves of the Patriot Act, "war on terror", and immunity for communications companies that Bush wanted. In other words, he's Bush with a tan.

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