Cadillac Sixteen

Cadillac defies convention and shatters all notions of what an ultra luxury car should be with the Cadillac Sixteen. This new breed of Cadillac surges past other vehicles in this class, creating an entire new realm of opulence, craftsmanship and technological wizardry.
The Cadillac Sixteen is rear-wheel drive powered by an all-aluminum 13.6-liter engine. It includes technology such as Displacement on Demand, which allows the engine to run on four, eight or sixteen cylinders depending on driving conditions. Other advancements include:

7,000 rpm capability
1,000 horsepower and 1,000 lbs.-ft. of torque
Advanced cylinder head port design
Titanium alloy valves and valve springs
Variable camshaft phasing
The interior is a pure expression of design, with fine woods, precision cut metals and crystal used in harmony throughout. The opulent, yet refined, interior features:
Hand-stitched Tuscany leather seats
Hand-woven silk carpets
Custom-designed crystal cluster dials
Custom Bulgari® clock
Reclining rear seats with foot and leg rests
Bose® sound system
DVD Information and entertainment system
Fifth-generation OnStar in-vehicle safety and security communication system
The Cadillac Sixteen reflects the bold, dramatic design of the new Cadillac, with much of the car's structure and body panels made of aluminum. The highly refined and malleable aluminum allowed Cadillac craftsmen to create shapes and designs that would not have been possible if only steel and wood were used.

I was also just on this other forum and theres these damn morons saying this car lacks design and technology.Compared to what?This car has more technology than that of any Bently and in my opinion design too.This car is just beutiful.To see some pics that I so far know of go to www.cadillac.com and go into the concepts area.There a very good chance they will make this too.

it's crap!

Just like your Maxima.Anyway,why do you say that?Can you name another car thats better?

I seriously doubt it'll ever reach production- and quite frankly I think that a Bentley would be better interior-wise- you can try but you will never better the craftsmanship of a Bentley- and that is a fact.

The technology SOUNDS impressive- but the displacement control has been used by Mercedes-Benz before. 7000rpm is very weak for an engine of that displacement and power- In fact this car has NOTHING on the Bugatti Veryon. It only took a look at the figures to tell me that.

Never seen any pictures so I won't comment on the design.

There (GM) is saying its a very good chance they are making it.MY opinion and this isnt just because Im a Caddy man either,I think the craftsmenship of this car is better than the Bentlys.Because in my opinion,they have had basically the same look for a very long time now.You should check this out,this car is very nice in design.

...this car is very nice in design.


Yeah if you like boats.

Max have you seen this car yet?Or is it that you just don't like Caddys?It's no longer than the seville and if you don't like this desgn then you need your head checked.

Originally posted by WakkaWu
There (GM) is saying its a very good chance they are making it.MY opinion and this isnt just because Im a Caddy man either,I think the craftsmenship of this car is better than the Bentlys.Because in my opinion,they have had basically the same look for a very long time now.You should check this out,this car is very nice in design.

By "craftsmanship", he was referring to quality of build. I admire Cadillac build quality, but it's still produced by robots that don't take the time to make sure everything is perfect. Bentleys are hand built, and if anything isn't perfect, the car does not leave the factory until it is. Also, the outrageous price you pay for a Bentley actually does go to something...it buys you the best materials on the face of the earth. I'm willing to bet the new Cadillac will have a hell of a lot more plastic than any Bentley has or ever will.

I think the car is most definitely a step in the right direction for Cadillac, and I would like to see them make it. While it won't be able to match Bentley craftsmanship, it will obviously be much less expensive and more accessible. The car is impressive, and is packed with gadgets, but it's a different car than a Bentley. Better in some ways, worse in others, but not all-conquering.

MaxSE: Please either keep your comments to yourself or politely explain your reasoning...don't just flame WakkaWu for liking the car. He's got the right to like car if he wants, just like I'm sure you like your Max.

I agree wth most of that.This car is definalty comparable to a Bently because this specific model is entirely hand-built.

. I'm willing to bet the new Cadillac will have a hell of a lot more plastic than any Bentley has or ever will

This model is also made entirely out of aluminum.Therefor very little platic,if a at all.Which with all Cadillcs today,there ishardly any plastic in the cars.Basically eveything is made out of leather(dashboard,seats,steering wheel,ect.

Also, the outrageous price you pay for a Bentley actually does go to something...it buys you the best materials on the face of the earth

In my opinion,there is no vehicle on the face of te earth worth 200 grand.No matter what you get with it.

it will obviously be much less expensive

This car is more expensive than the Bently Arnage($200,000.00).The Sixteen cost $250,000.00.

OK, thanks for the correction, I was under the impression it was significantly less expensive and not hand built, but the way it is it would be compareable to a Bentley for sure.

However, you say no car is worth $200k, and the Caddy is $250k...so not worth it, in your opinion?

And this is my very last word on build quality of Cadillacs because Im really sick of hearing about it.Cadillacs have great build quality.

However, you say no car is worth $200k, and the Caddy is $250k...so not worth it, in your opinion?

Yes in my opinion,no car is worth that much.

Originally posted by WakkaWu
And this is my very last word on build quality of Cadillacs because Im really sick of hearing about it.Cadillacs have great build quality.



Yes in my opinion,no car is worth that much.

Well 250 grand is a lot of money- but there are some people that can afford it- and the material for the Bentley and this new Cadillac are very expensive- and you pay for a carefully built car- with expensive technology- don't forget developement costs.


As for Cadillac build quality- it is fairly decent- and won't fall apart on you- but it's rival manufacturers do it better ('cept maybe Lincoln)

Well 250 grand is a lot of money- but there are some people that can afford it- and the material for the Bentley and this new Cadillac are very expensive- and you pay for a carefully built car- with expensive technology- don't forget developement costs.


Theres lots of people that can afford it.If I had millions to spends then you would see much more than two Cadillacs in my driveway.I see your point but its still a car.GM has already put 3 million dollars into this car,3 times as much as a normal concept,and if they put it into production it will cost them about 1 billion dollars,making 1000 of the Sixteens a year.

As for Cadillac build quality- it is fairly decent- and won't fall apart on you- but it's rival manufacturers do it better ('cept maybe Lincoln)


I strongly disagree,take a trip to Mexico,all you see there are old American cars,mostly GMs.

I don't think it is a bad looking car. It is huge, but then again, there is a V-16 under that massive hood. I don't think it will ever go into production, at least with that engine.

Any reasoning why not?

It is a V-16 with around 1000 HP. I just don't think GM would allow something like that out of the factory. I don't think it will ever go into production, and if it does, I'm not sure it will be popular. Do you know what the expected price range is on these things???
(Sorry if that isn't good reasoning, but where I live, cars with engines bigger than V6s are limited :flash: )

I think it'd be too expensive to produce with out the price going sky-high

Originally posted by Jimster
I think it'd be too expensive to produce with out the price going sky-high

at 250K i dont think it would take too long for them to break even, i believe i read it was an estimated 50M for them to produce it, and with rich people, collectors and agencis who rent them out buying it would eventually break even.
getting GM beancounters to swallow the fact that they wont make any money off it directly will be the big problem.

It is a V-16 with around 1000 HP. I just don't think GM would allow something like that out of the factory. I don't think it will ever go into production, and if it does, I'm not sure it will be popular. Do you know what the expected price range is on these things???


Were I live theres one person with a V-10 and its a Ford Super Duty.Where I live it usually doesnt get past 8 cylinders.But doesnt meen there not around.Go to NYC,theres Bentlys and Ferraris on every block.And same thing with Beverly Hills and L.A..Why?Because theres a lot of money in those citys and many other citys.And most of the prices on those cars excede well past 250 grand.GM is saying there is a very good chance that they will be made.And there not going to be very popular because there only going to make 1000 of them each year.


I think it'd be too expensive to produce with out the price going sky-high


With GM being the largest auto manufacturer in the world I think it is safe to assume that they have plenty of money to make this car.

Wekka, no kidding you go to a big city and there are going to be tons of V-12 cars around. Now about the car, I think it should go into production. GM needs to put some competitive cars out on the market. It is time for Cadillac to step ahead and make the great cars that they have been known for.

Well said Supercar.Not to say that Cadillacs arent great cars but they have many more competitors than they did 50 years ago.

I was at the introduction of the Sixteen and it is a marvelous car. It was the best concept car at the Detroit show.

GM said nothing about the car making it into production other than there's a possibility. Nobody's going to say that ANY vehicle could make it into production since 1989 when Chrysler introduced the Viper.

I don't have any affection for GM or Cadillac. I think Cadillac has become far to diluted since the 1930s. They were incredible cars then, and now they're just high-end Oldsmobiles and Buicks. For what they are, they're good cars but I have trouble lumping the current STS and Deville in with the Madam X and V16 cars of the 30s. They hardly belong under the same badge.

If Cadillac wants to ATTEMPT to get back to the "Standard of the World" claim they held decades back, they will need to build the Sixteen or something like it. If the Sixteen were produced, it would cost well in excess of $250,000 (a number I haven't heard anyone at GM actually mention). Production would be limited (and rightfully so) to a few hundred a year.

I can't see comparing the Bentley Continental GT to the Sixteen. The Bentley comes it at BELOW $200k and will be produced in volume (for a Bentley product). The Sixteen would be much more expensive and would be far more rare. It would make more sense to compare the Sixteen to the Rolls-Royce Phantom or Maybach 57/62. All of these are in the $300k range.

It will definitely take Cadillac mroe than a couple of new models to push Cadillac up to Bentley's league. If they do realease the Sixteen and/or the Cien, it will be a step in pushing Cadillac up to the status they were decade's ago. They would be taking a step that every GM stem should be taking right now.

GM said nothing about the car making it into production other than there's a possibility. Nobody's going to say that ANY vehicle could make it into production since 1989 when Chrysler introduced the Viper

Theres a good chance it will go into production. So I read.

I don't have any affection for GM or Cadillac. I think Cadillac has become far to diluted since the 1930s. They were incredible cars then, and now they're just high-end Oldsmobiles and Buicks. For what they are, they're good cars but I have trouble lumping the current STS and Deville in with the Madam X and V16 cars of the 30s. They hardly belong under the same badge.

What are you trying to say there?

If Cadillac wants to ATTEMPT to get back to the "Standard of the World" claim they held decades back, they will need to build the Sixteen or something like it. If the Sixteen were produced, it would cost well in excess of $250,000 (a number I haven't heard anyone at GM actually mention). Production would be limited (and rightfully so) to a few hundred a year.

I read that if they do put it into production it will cost them about one-million dollars. And I also read that they will be making about 1000 a year if produced. But I agree with your last sentance. The less they make, the more rare they are, the more the people want them.

It will definitely take Cadillac mroe than a couple of new models to push Cadillac up to Bentley's league. If they do realease the Sixteen and/or the Cien, it will be a step in pushing Cadillac up to the status they were decade's ago. They would be taking a step that every GM stem should be taking right now.

The Cien WILL not be made. GM anounced this a few months ago. All it will take for Cadillac to be up in Bently's league is the Sixteen.They make the Sixteen then there back to competitors of the very best.

I disagree. When Cadillac releases the Sixteen, they will have just ONE car that is in Bentley status. You cannot put one model up against all of Bentley's and expect to be in their league.

I see were your going at. But, the Sixteen is a Cadillac. Therefor the name Cadillac is in Bently's league. Thats how I see it.

Originally posted by WakkaWu


Theres a good chance it will go into production. So I read.

Whatever you read was just conjecture. GM hasn't said ANYTHING about its chances to make production.

Well Im not saying your wrong but how do you know this? And by the sounds of it Bob Lutz has great love for the Sixteen.

Originally posted by Hudson
GM hasn't said ANYTHING about its chances to make production.
Originally posted by WakkaWu
Well Im not saying your wrong but how do you know this?


:rolleyes:

It's my job to analyze the automotive industry. Bob Lutz had strong feelings toward the Chrysler Chronos and Chrysler Atlantic as well.

Cadillac needs the Sixteen, or something like it. I hope they make it, but it's a longshot...and that's putting it mildly.

Just seen a picture of the car....looks bad ass

Tomorrow I am going to the Philadelphia Auto Show and Cadillac will probably have the Sixteen there. I will find out for dure if it is going into production and post it then.

Supercar:

I hate to disappoint you, but it WILL NOT be at Philadelphia. The morons who arrange the Philadelphia car show put it up against the Detroit show. The Cadillac Sixteen was shown to the media at the North American International Auto Show just last week, and the actual show is going on right now. That is where the Sixteen is.

Yea I just got back from the show. No Sixteen, but a different badass Cadillac concept. I forget what it is called, and the pics are too damn big to post. How do I compress them to make them fit??? And how do I post more than one pic?? I got a ton of pics from the show I wanna post.

Supercar:

The car at the Philly show as the Imaj. It's a concept car from a couple of years ago.

Oh yea. I thought the Cadillac XLR was more impressive in looks and performance. However, technology is becoming too big a part of Cadillac. The XLR is a $60,000 roadster that the jacked up to... $120,000 with all their computer and sensor crap.

XLR for $120k? Take about $50k (or more) out of that price.

How much you think the Sixteen will sell for if it comes out in production?

If the Sixteen were to get the go-ahead, it would sell for over $200k, my guess would be in the $250-300k range. That way it could be in the same ballpark as the new Rolls-Royce and Maybach models while undercutting them on price slightly.

I agree with those prices, i don't think it would be priced any higher than $500,000 but i think they should go ahead with the production of them that way there is a american made car that can truely compeat with the Bently and Rolls-Royce.

Oh yea. I thought the Cadillac XLR was more impressive in looks and performance. However, technology is becoming too big a part of Cadillac. The XLR is a $60,000 roadster that the jacked up to... $120,000 with all their computer and sensor crap.

I totally disagree.A luxury car can NEVER have too much technology.In a sports car,then yea ok.But not a luxury car.

The XLR is a sports car.

Wrong,the XLR is a luxury roadster.

It is more of a sports car than a luxury car, and I imagine it is a lot faster than most luxury cars.

I don't know what I was thinking when I said the XLR was $120k, I remember the guy at the show saying that it starts at around $80k. Well, anyway, it is a very nice model and I took a few picks that will eventually be up on my website.

I disagree.Its more of a Sports Roadster than a sports can.I see a Camaro,Viper or Firebird more of a sports car.But yes,very beutiful car.

Just looked it up, it is a luxury roadster, nice to see cadillac coming out with some great stuff.

I disagree.Its more of a Sports Roadster than a sports can

LOL,excuse me.Allow me to correct myself.I mean...I disagree.Its more of a Luxury Roadster than a sports car.

I still think it looks like a roadster....lol do it all the time.

The XLR Based Price is 80K

The sixteen is a wonderful car with new edges and retro throwbacks. power and class. But I'd rather take a would-be 250K of mine and throw it into a GTR for some 1200HP+ fun.....

I wouldn't, the cadillac would be better than a 1200hp GT-R.

Agreed Scott.

Thanks, like i said earlier, its nice to see cadillac coming out with a good and powerful sports car/luxury car. The sixteen will sure be able to compete well with the Bently and Rolls Royce.

No doubt Scott.The Sixteen will put up quite a fight with Bently and Rolls-Royce.

Yes it will. And I think the XLR can be in Viper and Corvette territory (but would never beat one in a race). Cadillac is really becoming a better manufacturer and they have tons of great technology.

Originally posted by Scott 02
I wouldn't, the cadillac would be better than a 1200hp GT-R.


Your opinion :rolleyes:

Ok,now remember Scott,you HAVE to say its your opinion after your finish typing your opinion.Just like everyone else on the board.:right: :rolleyes:

Ok,now remember Scott,you HAVE to say its your opinion after your finish typing your opinion.Just like everyone else on the board. ]

Oh yeah!!! I'll make sure its done this time.

The Cadillac Sixteen over a what?? What the heck is a GT-R with 1200hp. Never heard of such a thing and the way i look at it, 1200hp would be hard to come by and would take alot of money to do.

So its your opinion....