OMFG I Wana KIll this B*^*^!

Sorry but I really want to fucking kill the girl and her boy friend who rear ended my mother & I today traveling to my grandmothers. First off let me say I'm not the hating type and two my mother has worked so hard for everything she has aquired in life (no freebee's). Something she worked very hard for was taken away thanks to some fucking 21 year old bitches fucking stupidity and blaitent neglegence for saftey.


So, we were traveling through a "CONSTRUCTION ZONE" (CLUE #1) which FYI is over a bridge (CLUE #2) and it's only ONE FUCKING LANE!!!! (CLUE #3 MAYBE!!) So were traveling 2 - 5 mph with brake lights lit (CLUE #4) bumper to bumper and a far distance between us and this fucking pos camery. My mom hits the brakes all the way and this women wasn't paying attention doing about 40 or so smashes into us at a dead stop. No I'm not exaggerating she smashed us so hard it ripped out all the ash trays in the car and pinched the rear panels in!!! Her fucking liscence plate is imbeded in the rear bumper of our car!!! She addmited fault 100% and was given a ticket as well. So now what would you guys do? Also my mom cut the wheel and floored it out of the way (last moment attempt) but it wasn't in time she hit us so hard she pushed us strait foward when our wheels were cocked right! Also the brakes on are car went completely out!! We were on a bridge but thank god my mom thought to pull the ebrake before we hit the side of the bridge! The air bags suprisingly did NOT deploy and yet they are saying the car is totaled!!! Our car was a Mercedes Clk-320 btw ~

The main things I'm seeing are ~
Brake falure
Air bag falure
Neglegence
Injury
Emotional distress ~ We waited 4 fucking hours for a tow another 2 hours for a rental ~ btw she drove away fine with a scratch!!! This women put us through so much hell today I really fucking don't wish anything bad upon someone but I really want to sue this bitch!!! What she did is utter neglegence and should be punished, it wasn't a love tap because i'd be fine with that. She had numerious clue's to slow down and she didn't. The most fucked up part of it all is my brother who is ten almost came along thank god he didn't I can't even imagine if they hurt him what I would have done to that bitch and her skinny ass boyfriend.
UTTER STUPIDITY ~ Should be a crime punishable by death!!

I'm in alot of fucking pain, whip lash I'm sure and my back is killing me! I'm off to bed Please help and legal advice!!!!

Thanks all
Joe

accidents happen i wouldn't stress over it...you can sue...but it may not be worth it

You don't need legal advice as long as your insurance company is behind you. If the girl admitted 100% fault then her insurance company will pay. If they dispute your claim then your own insurance company should have a legal staff to handle that. If you're going to sue her for any injuries you may have received your insurance company should handle that too. You just have to show them that a Dr. confirmed your injuries.

and Blucivic is right - accidents happen. They are shitty and they shouldn't happen but they do. Just gotta deal with it.

Don't sweat it. She hit you from behind, she was ticketed, your insurance company is being paid to represent you.

Take some pain control meds, go see a doctor if it gets too bad, and be glad your mom and you are alive.

Accidents happen, I agree. It could have been much, much worse. Go hug yer mom and tell her you love her. While you're at it, go hug yer bro and tell him you're glad he wasn't in the car at the time.

Every day is a gift, there are no guarantees.

Sucks for all but you gotta chill and let the insurance companies do what they do

and Blucivic is right - accidents happen. They are shitty and they shouldn't happen but they do. Just gotta deal with it.
I've done that too many time's and in plain english I'm talking this bitch to the cleaners. What she did was RECKLESS AND almost Manslaughter! She almost killed my mother and me and as far as I see that's wayyy more then enough reason for harsh legal action. I wish I could throw her in jail for what she did. Our fucking brakes failed & Air bags too on a bridge! I might have to go for a fucking year of pyschical thearapy! I'm so pissed I cannot even begin discribe how mad I am!

Edit ~ The brakes failed before we even hit the first car which means the abs failed before even the unit was hit. Nice call monkey ;)

Well, hell, if it's a pound of flesh you're after, go shoot her in the head and be done with it. :uhoh:

You don't think this is why auto insurance costs so much, do you?

:rolleyes:

People make mistakes.

You are over reacting.

How do you know the brakes failed?
Airbags don't tend to deploy for rear end collisions; that's what head rests are for. Also, even if it was a front/side impact, they deploy depending on the speed.
Why does your brother almost going along make it any worse?

Don't tell me you've never had an accident before in your car.

How do you know the brakes failed?
Here it is in plain english for you very calmly ~ The edge of the bridge was coming up mighty fast and the brakes were being pressed very hard! Since the airbags DIDN'T deploy and I could see everything after the 2 seconds that her so forcefull impacted blacked me out for...

After I checked the car and guess what all the ABS lines are bent in half and pinched on 90+ angle's so you tell me how the fuck my brakes would work?

Why does your brother almost going along make it any worse?
Well he almost came with us on the trip, let's see a ten year old boy in an accident such as that I don't know what could be wrong with that picture? Think?

Don't tell me you've never had an accident before in your car.
Me yes, but I haven't been blindly plowed have you?

Airbags don't tend to deploy for rear end collisions; that's what head rests are for. Also, even if it was a front/side impact, they deploy depending on the speed. It was a frontal accident didn't you read? The front of the car is whats totaled we hit her with over 20mph of force into the back of another car (MB FYI) thanks to this stupid bitch not paying attention.

:rolleyes:

People make mistakes.

You are over reacting.
There is no overreacting when someone almost kills you because of blaintent recklessness. She had over 500 ft between us in space are you kidding me? Let's see you get plowed from behind but a 3000lb peice of metal going 40mph and doesn't even hit the brakes you tell me.

You are over reacting. You are being irrational.

You are over reacting. You are being irrational.
Might seem like a mad rant but I'm very calm and very serious about when I say this was neglenge in it's purest form...

Also, hell you don't even have to deal with state side drivers :lol:

Well, hell, if it's a pound of flesh you're after, go shoot her in the head and be done with it. :uhoh:

You don't think this is why auto insurance costs so much, do you?
Very true, If you think I'm out for bloodsport your mistaken I'm only out to teach this girl a lesson the legal way and now maybe MB for what they are trying to do now.

I also know why the airbags did not deploy (FOR DRUNKEN) we hit on such and angle so our front bumper only the top half was shredded so the sensor were never touched. Hmmm... our fault they didn't put the sensors in the right crash spots? I guess that's what you call poor engineering. There's a slew of querks I found out after the accident but it's just to long to list...

Very true, If you think I'm out for bloodsport your mistaken I'm only out to teach this girl a lesson the legal way and now maybe MB for what they are trying to do now. They very subtly over the phone told us "oh no there's no way you could have hit the brake's, well guess what I saw it clear as day" that break pedal was to the floor! Looks like MB might be talking the hit for her because the way they seem, seems a little to ass covering for me. Funny how they have a client wait list and they want to work on ours asap...
Look, traffic enforcement and the insurance companies will teach her a fairly good lesson. Sue away, but it probably will only make you feel worse.

Does MB put black boxes in its cars? That could tell what actually happened mechanically. I'd say that you guys made out all right, if the hit was as severe as you tell us. The car folded as designed and you walked away after being righteously slammed from behind.

We're not bustin' on you, merely trying to offer other perspectives.

After I checked the car and guess what all the ABS lines are bent in half and pinched on 90+ angle's so you tell me how the fuck my brakes would work?


To me, that statement tells me you don't know how ABS works.

the girl and her boy friend who rear ended my mother

.....women wasn't paying attention doing about 40 or so smashes into us at a dead stop. No I'm not exaggerating she smashed us so hard it ripped out all the ash trays in the car and pinched the rear panels in..... liscence plate is imbeded in the rear bumper of our car..... she hit us so hard she pushed us strait foward

I'm confused. Everything you say sounds like you got hit from behind.

By the way.
Don't let the apparent scale of damage make you think the crash is worse than it is. Most Airbag systems don't go off unless the decceleration is massive. Also I said before, the car is designed to fall apart, especially if it is damage to the front. If it doesn't and in that almost unique way that MB cars are designed to do AND if the accident was as bad as you say it was, if your mother was alive, she wouldn't have legs. Airbags are also designed to be life savers. If the airbags didn't go off, it was because they didn't need to. Seeing as you're alive and posting, it means they didn't need to.
Also, you obviously don't know how airbag sensors work either.

Again, you brother wasn't there. Even if he was, it still has no bearing on the accident. Oh shit, I ran over a cat yesterday. The fucked up thing is, usually, there are people walking around there.

To me, that statement tells me you don't know how ABS works.

ABS is the system that that regulates pressure applied by the brake pedal so that they do not lock up. It still can result in total brake if the lines are pinched regardless.

I'm confused. Everything you say sounds like you got hit from behind.

By the way.
Don't let the apparent scale of damage make you think the crash is worse than it is. Most Airbag systems don't go off unless the decceleration is massive. Also I said before, the car is designed to fall apart, especially if it is damage to the front. If it doesn't and in that almost unique way that MB cars are designed to do AND if the accident was as bad as you say it was, if your mother was alive, she wouldn't have legs. Airbags are also designed to be life savers. If the airbags didn't go off, it was because they didn't need to. Seeing as you're alive and posting, it means they didn't need to.
Also, you obviously don't know how airbag sensors work either.

The apparent SCALE of damage is very bad considering the whole frame is swayed 4 inches (That is alot). She also cracked both front motor mounts as well but I'm sure that's just minor damage right? Air bag sensors go off resulting on deccelerating force. We were plowed into the back of another car so hard it bent the frame 4 inches off that is NOT a light tap. I've worked at body shops and 4 inches should have been plenty of enough to set off the air bags.

Btw ~ The headlight of the driver side was pushed back almost to the firewall. That is plenty of enough justifacation for an air bag to deploy... ;)

Funny how you react as though it couldn't have been any failure of any sorts by mercedes.

No, I'm reacting to the fact that;
i) you don't seem to understand how a car, especially a Mercedes' crumple zones work.
ii) you fail to understand that if the airbags didn't go off, they probably didn't need to go off. Again, you make no mention of any inury except possible whiplash. I'm sure if there were any significant injuries, you would've mentioned them by now. As far as I can tell, the thing that you seem concerned about, is the car and the damage to it.

ABS is not a magic spell that stops the wheels from skidding/rolling when they're not pointing in the direction of travel.

By the way, enlighten me, what did you do at a bodywork shop again?

ABS is the system that that regulates pressure applied by the brake pedal so that they do not lock up. It still can result in total brake if the lines are pinched regardless.

Clever boy understands the principal of ABS but not how the system's mechanisms work.
ABS is not the brakes lines, it is an electrical system which controls the pressure in the brake lines to prevent the brakes locking.
Your ABS system can be operational regardless of whether the brake lines are cut or crimped or even removed. In the auto plants, we tested ABS systems before the rotors were even installed on the car.

Air bag sensors go off resulting on deccelerating force.

Do you proof read your posts?

ok ok...it was an accident...you'd know if she had ment to do it on purpose...the car is totaled...ok, that's what insurance is for and you'll get another...you got injured, insurance will cover that too...i really don't think we need to go into the mechanics of how safety features work on automobiles...what's done is done...still angry, play mortal combat and pretend you're beating her up...other than that, let it go

ABS is not a magic spell that stops the wheels from skidding/rolling when they're not pointing in the direction of travel.

By the way, enlighten me, what did you do at a bodywork shop again?

The brake's failed not just the abs. It was total brake failure :wink:

Enlighten you ~ Hardly worth the time for someone so set in his ways and views of others.

Clever boy understands the principal of ABS but not how the system's mechanisms work.
ABS is not the brakes lines, it is an electrical system which controls the pressure in the brake lines to prevent the brakes locking.
Your ABS system can be operational regardless of whether the brake lines are cut or crimped or even removed. In the auto plants, we tested ABS systems before the rotors were even installed on the car.
I will say that I think it was something because the brakes failed before frontal impact which means there was a failure else where. If it controls the pressure persay can it not result in a slight or even total loss of the brakes if pressure is leaked or kinked? You said said it was a system. Sometimes in a certain systems ex. Xmas lights if one fails they all fail, could be the case right?

Brakes can fail without ABS failure.
Brakes can operate even if ABS fails.

Assuming the car is equipped with power brakes, if that system fails, you can have resultant brake loss.

ABS controls the pressure to prevent wheel lock, the overall system pressure is a separate system. ABS controls the max line pressure, not minimum.

As you say, you got hit fro behind quite hard which resulted in your front wheels being forced to turn and lock. At this point your car was sliding. Your mother stomping on the brakes wouldn't have done much seeing as grip was lost already.

Just so you know, one of the key features of Mercedes' crumple zones is that the engine drops and the car/passengers ride over the engine (sort of). If there was sign of movement on the engine mounts, that might be indication that particular engineering feature was activated. The same goes for the front end structural arms. Of course, without seeing photo's of the wreck, it's hard to say for sure what's going on and dnything is purely (educated) guess-work.

Anyway.
It sounds to me like the car did exactly what it was supposed to do. Put it this way, if the crash was as severe as you say it was, you are still here, alive and well and posting with only a stiff neck to account for. Pretty good job I say. Be thankful you weren't in something like a 1990s fiat or freelander.

As you say, you got hit fro behind quite hard which resulted in your front wheels being forced to turn and lock. At this point your car was sliding. Your mother stomping on the brakes wouldn't have done much seeing as grip was lost already.

Just so you know, one of the key features of Mercedes' crumple zones is that the engine drops and the car/passengers ride over the engine (sort of). If there was sign of movement on the engine mounts, that might be indication that particular engineering feature was activated. The same goes for the front end structural arms. Of course, without seeing photo's of the wreck, it's hard to say for sure what's going on and dnything is purely (educated) guess-work.

Anyway.
It sounds to me like the car did exactly what it was supposed to do. Put it this way, if the crash was as severe as you say it was, you are still here, alive and well and posting with only a stiff neck to account for. Pretty good job I say. Be thankful you weren't in something like a 1990s fiat or freelander.
I agree on that last quote.

I know what crumple zones do and how they work and yes they did work, the main key parts for saftey didn't. Our wheels were cut to the right already they weren't forced, We tried to get out of the way but she was going so fast we couldn't accel in time so we hit the brakes and prepared for the worst. I felt the brakes go out after the initial impact. Also after we hit we kept going (might have actaully been acceling after the front impact. We rolled over 30ft from the initial front impact not rear! We hit the brakes before & after the frontal collision accident. I'm sorry bu t in this case is mercedes is clearly at fault because we might have been able to stop before we hit the car in front, we did have room.

Have you considered that having the front wheels turned may have been the cause of the brake line damage and resultant loss of braking - if this is found to be the case, Mercedes is not at fault.

Have you considered that having the front wheels turned may have been the cause of the brake line damage and resultant loss of braking - if this is found to be the case, Mercedes is not at fault.
Why would that result in failure? So you mean to tell me everytime the wheels cut when making a turn the brakes are allowed to go out? The brakes have 2 separate systems Front right + rear left & front left + rear right so even if one side fails you have another. Why would one wheel damage 2 systems? That makes no sence and in some cases higher end companies use 4 separate systems. There is no way one could cause all systems to fail there was something that had an interal failure. I think you fail to comprehend how serious total brake failure is this wasn't a typical one system failure. Never in my life have I experienced complete brake loss.

Has it occured to you that the impact and resultant force/pressure on the brakes/wheels/hubs etc during the initial collision might've done something to them? It also doesn't take that much to make a car lose traction and spin when it comes to impacts. I'm still not sure what you are describing. How did you feel the brakes went? Do you mean the wheels had locked? Were the wheels still rolling? What did the pedal do? What did the wheels do when you pressed on the pedal?

Has it occured to you that the impact and resultant force/pressure on the brakes/wheels/hubs etc during the initial collision might've done something to them? It also doesn't take that much to make a car lose traction and spin when it comes to impacts. I'm still not sure what you are describing. How did you feel the brakes went? Do you mean the wheels had locked? Were the wheels still rolling? What did the pedal do? What did the wheels do when you pressed on the pedal?

i don't know how he can tell you how the pedal felt when he wasn't doing the driving

My mom hits the brakes all the way and this women wasn't paying attention doing about 40 or so smashes into us at a dead stop.

Also my mom cut the wheel and floored it out of the way (last moment attempt) but it wasn't in time she hit us so hard she pushed us strait foward when our wheels were cocked right!

Also the brakes on are car went completely out!!
Joe

i know how you know they went out w/o the car being looked at by a professional...but how do you know they went out? being hit at 40mph did you thing that hitting the brakes would keep you from moving foward?

Has it occured to you that the impact and resultant force/pressure on the brakes/wheels/hubs etc during the initial collision might've done something to them? It also doesn't take that much to make a car lose traction and spin when it comes to impacts. I'm still not sure what you are describing. How did you feel the brakes went? Do you mean the wheels had locked? Were the wheels still rolling? What did the pedal do? What did the wheels do when you pressed on the pedal?
Heres the sequence of event's ~ After this I'm deleting this bogus thread I was pissed and vented it's over all claims have been filed. I'll have pictures of the new car in a couple of weeks.

1. Traveling down the PA Turnpike doing 40
2. We approach a merge into one lane construction zone
3. Hit the merge going about 10 mph
4. Reaching the summit of the bridge over the DE river goig about 2-5 mph
5. Black MB brakes down to a crawl in front leaving over 50ft of space between her and the next car - kinda of stupid
6. Checked mirrors toyota's wayyy back to far to even see if there is a driver in the camery
7. Mother spotted her in the rear view about 20 ft from us coming up FAST
8. Mom cuts wheel hits accel
9. Camery collides with our wheel cut just as we tryied to accel out of the way.
10. Camery made contact brakes applied full and no response or pedal pressure.
11. Force of impact fully transfered to us we slide straight with wheels cocked to the right
12. Last sec wheels greip car pulled a tid to the right but not enough we smash black MB about 10-15ft
13. We keep rolling whole hood snaps up side is completely crushed still rolling about 10-15 mph.
14. Still total brake loss bridge edge coming up might quick - E-brake pulled and finally rolls to a stop.

i know how you know they went out w/o the car being looked at by a professional...but how do you know they went out? being hit at 40mph did you thing that hitting the brakes would keep you from moving foward?
She said she felt the brakes go out on her. She had her foot to the floor and no response or resistance at all. We had room for the brakes to engauge + we acceled after contact no brakes engauged. Right as the impact happened the brakes were applied FULL and nothing.

Please think logically whats your first response ~ You know whats going to happen when your in Bumper to bumper traffic and your going to rearended.

Edit ~ Fixed

She said felt the brakes go out she had her foot to the floor and no response or resistance at all. We had room for the brakes to engauge, + we acceled after contact. Right as the impact happened the brakes were applied FULL.

i guess i'm the only one not understanding this...

no i've been confused for awhile now

Why would that result in failure? So you mean to tell me everytime the wheels cut when making a turn the brakes are allowed to go out? The brakes have 2 separate systems Front right + rear left & front left + rear right so even if one side fails you have another. Why would one wheel damage 2 systems? That makes no sence and in some cases higher end companies use 4 separate systems. There is no way one could cause all systems to fail there was something that had an interal failure. I think you fail to comprehend how serious total brake failure is this wasn't a typical one system failure. Never in my life have I experienced complete brake loss.

I think YOU fail to comprehend a lot. You're right, there's multiple systems, they can fail in an identical manner if both are inflicted with the same impact at the same instance.

BTW, how's the brake reservoir look?

mechanical engineer with automotive background < jcsaleen

So far, all I've seen you do in this thread is assign blame to Mercedes and some girl as to the cause of this accident. Maybe we should ask why your Mom only noticed this person speeding towards her when she was 20' away? Is she not paying attention to the traffic around her? (FYI, I have avoided accidents from behind just by using my rear-view in stop-and-go traffic so it can be done.)

Maybe we should ask why your Mom only noticed this person speeding towards her when she was 20' away? Is she not paying attention to the traffic around her? (FYI, I have avoided accidents from behind just by using my rear-view in stop-and-go traffic so it can be done.)

in traffic like that not everyone pays attention to traffic behind them b/c it's assumed they're paying attention...but not always the case...we all are guilty of not paying attention...depending on what was going on in the car it's lucky she noticed

This could also be a good example of why you shouldn't ride the brakes
(it's the sudden red lights that catch people's attention - them being on all the time doesn't help) and why you leave a decent space between you and the car in front.

I think YOU fail to comprehend a lot. You're right, there's multiple systems, they can fail in an identical manner if both are inflicted with the same impact at the same instance.

BTW, how's the brake reservoir look?

mechanical engineer with automotive background < jcsaleen

So far, all I've seen you do in this thread is assign blame to Mercedes and some girl as to the cause of this accident. Maybe we should ask why your Mom only noticed this person speeding towards her when she was 20' away? Is she not paying attention to the traffic around her? (FYI, I have avoided accidents from behind just by using my rear-view in stop-and-go traffic so it can be done.)
I guess your right, I just started mech engineering after taking a year of automotive and I have no experience with cars even though I've replaced,rebuilt and fixed tons of parts and modified numerious cars.

She was paying attention but it was assumed she was going to stop not accel towards us till impact. I think you fail to realize how neglegent she was. Also we were boxed in by cones it was a one lane work zone. :wink:

So the brakes failed during/after impact?

I'll bump it up, they did during.

Not to be mean, but you can't expect the car to continue functioning after a big impact like this. If your air bags had gone off, would you expected them to have gone off again after you fell off the bridge? Why would you want to kill someone that didn't try to kill you? Life is cruel, learn to enjoy its cruel moments. This doesn't really compare to your situation, but is a better example of somebody that you should want to kill. When I was an 18y/o college student, a drunk driver demolished the back of my first car at 2 am while it was parked in front of my house. He then proceeded to run his drunk ass , on foot, down the street where the cops finally caught up to him. I had to buy a new car because my car was older and he did over $2000 in damage and made the car undriveable. I was in college at the time and had to ask my parents for money for the new car(that sucked). It took the courts 2 months to figure out how to punish him. In the meantime I had to walk 2 miles one way to work(that sucked even more) The courts finally awarded me $1535 to repair my car which had probably already been crushed. They gave him a year to pay me the total of the settlement. It has been 5 years now and I haven't seen a dime. He is at large and when the cops locate Frank Mcintyre, I assume he will be spending quite a nice amount of time in jail. I will probably get the money someday, now that I don't really NEED it. What really burned my ass is that the whole time I was walking to work, his pickup was still functional and he was probably using it to get back and forth to the bar.

Your accident sounds like exactly that. Innocent people sometimes make big mistakes. It is usually best to forgive them and move on. It doesn't sound like she did any financial damage to your mother.

We've been through this already.
He expected the car to do its job, save their lives and still work as normal afterwards.
Then he expects them (MB)to take responsibilty for the car not working after being hit.
He also expected brakes to stop the wheels from skidding/sliding.
And he also wants to kill that girl because she made a mistake.

Is that too much to ask?