240SX vs Probe

Whats your opinions on 240s against Probes. I know are quite different cars, but they are really similar in ways too.

Anything you guys can say for either side will help, thanks.

240=Nissan
Probe=Ford

enough said :)

check out this thread (http://www.240sxforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=5946#post5946) to see what people on a 240 forum think about the probe (note: guy that owns the probe is extremely stupid)

How are they similar?

240SX is RWD, 2.4 Liter Inline 4 w/155HP

Probe GT is FWD, 2.5 V6 w/170HP

240SX has immense aftermarket support...while the Probe has some but not much...you could always do the KLZE swap but I dont see much after that...

my 240sx ran 16.5 my freinds probe GT ran 15.5...I think I can get better...

Originally posted by JDMEddie
my 240sx ran 16.5 my freinds probe GT ran 15.5...I think I can get better...

you can

but why not look at the prode in a different way. why not say

Mazda MX-6

Nissan 240sx.

there the MX-6 is the same thing as the probe. but hte MX-6 looks more like a S-14 and the MX-6 is known for having good handling.

I definetly agree. MX-6 is a lot better than the probe. Man I am getting sick and tired of these gay ass probes. I don't know about you guy's, but up here in Eau Claire, WI people are very gay. The most popular riced out cars are cavaliers, probes, saturns, civics, accords, ect. In order too........... Man you can't go anywhere without seeing like 5 riced out cavaliers.

to put it a diffrent way

probe=FF
240SX=FR

screw the probe!! mx-6 all the way~! that car looks good for a 93 design man.

Yep.. I agree, the cars cannot be compared.

Personally, I think sports-cars should drive with the rear wheels, brake and steer with the front.. thats just my preference. But when you compare cars, you have to compare cars that are in the same class, not stupid things like drag-times and HP.

Lets change things up a bit:

NISSAN 240SX (FR) compared to:
Ford Probe (FF) which is a,
Mazda MX-6 (FF)

But then again, lets remove the MX-6 and replace it with a better Mazda.. such as the Miata! Which of course, the Miata is underpowered and smaller.. so lets ditch the Miata and compare the 240SX to the FC RX7. OR, we can compare the 180SX to the FD RX7 - that should be more fair. :)

the older versions such as 92+ not sure mx-6 kinda remindes me of a 32 skyline the way the front lights are n da way the rear fender flares out just a little 2 bad ford helped make it.

but mx-6 can run fast i seen sum turbo mx-6 kill rx-7 n gst eclipces .

i wana see a sr20det powered 240sx against a turbo mx-6 wonder who would win??

forgot 2 say my cuz has a turbo 91 probe gt dat shit hauls ass. from da factory it makes 12psi of boost rite now he only makes 6psi cause of a nasty crack in his exaust manfiol but we still murda rice rockets n when dat car was newer we ran so gs-t n turbo mr2

but i think if the probe was runnin good it would be a great challange 4 the 240sx wit a ka24de motor
but ...
the sr20det would blow it away

Here is another problem I have with some of the newer 240SX forums (and people who've recently learned about 240's) -- everyone says "is that car SR," meaning SR is the only way to get good respectable power.. or as if its impressive. SR can mean jack shit. You can swap a NON-TURBO SR20DE from a non turbo Silvia into a 240SX and that would be just as impressive as a stock KA (actually maybe less!).

If you're going to ask people if they've done any motor work, say it how it is.. "is your motor built? did you go turbo, SC, or NOS?"

As for the MX6, I think it looks more like a 95-96 S14.. just a tad, but its much more feminine.

Not to sound rude or anything but when u look at the specs the probe ownz the 240sx in everycategory just check car and driver road and track etc.The probe also outhandles and beats the mx6 in acceleration even tho there built on the same platform the probe was meant to be sportier then the mx6 there fore it out performs it not by much but it does.I recently acquired a 95 240 sx and i love it dont get me wrong but before you go bashing on cars you dont know check specs.The probe is a mazda in everyway u look at it .
klze 200 hp

yeah, but then look at the parts you have on your probe. 'nuf said. looks like you're the wrong kind of person to be owning a 240SX.

the probe ownz the 240sx in everycategory

plus, you're not going to make much friends around here talking like that. the stock 240SX has a crap-tacular engine. KA's suck. once you stick an SR in there, the story is over for the anal probe. also, FR vs. FF. sure the probe can probably beat a 240 (by a little bit) going in a straight line, but once you hit the twisties, i'll take a 240 any day thank you very much. oh, and the reason we prefer the MX6? the lack of a certain blue oval...

Can't compare these cars, IF I would choose one, i would have to say NISSAN!!!:D

Originally posted by S13_Iketani
yeah, but then look at the parts you have on your probe. 'nuf said. looks like you're the wrong kind of person to be owning a 240SX.
I agree

Originally posted by S13_Iketani
KA's suck
heh, tell that to duy :rolleyes:

ok i was hasty. they don't suck, but they're worse off then an SR.

The probe GT only has 10 more horsepower than the 240sx yet it weighs 200lbs more. RWD is better for traction purposes so the 240sx could launch at higher rpms (their torque peaks are almost identical). I would have to guess they are about the same in acceleration.

Its cheaper to heavily mod the 240 than the probe... If I were to choose, once again i'd go nissan:D

Originally posted by S13_Iketani
yeah, but then look at the parts you have on your probe. 'nuf said. looks like you're the wrong kind of person to be owning a 240SX.
How so ??? jsut cause i can probably blow your doors off means i cant drive a 240???. And those stats where stock on stock read sports compact they compared the 2.



plus, you're not going to make much friends around here talking like that. the stock 240SX has a crap-tacular engine. KA's suck. once you stick an SR in there, the story is over for the anal probe. also, FR vs. FF. sure the probe can probably beat a 240 (by a little bit) going in a straight line, but once you hit the twisties, i'll take a 240 any day thank you very much. oh, and the reason we prefer the MX6? the lack of a certain blue oval... [/QUOTE]
I never said the 240 was craptacular i wouldnt of gotten one if i thought so but then again it seems your Iq is very low.If you check the original thread starter was inquiring bout the stock ka24de not a 3,500 dollar engine.I can spend 900 dollars and get a klze which has 200 hp and 180 tq which i can use with the stock tranny and the american spec kl03 parts direct fit.No need to wait for parts to be imported etc. ZE powered probe = 14.4 :)[/B][/QUOTE]
As for the rest of u guys u got a nice platform keep it up.

How so ??? jsut cause i can probably blow your doors off means i cant drive a 240???. And those stats where stock on stock read sports compact they compared the 2.

yes you can blow my doors off. if you knew how to read profiles, then you would see i drive a Pontiac Tempest. a CAMEL could blow my doors off for christ's sake. did i ever say i could blow your doors off? NO! so don't pull things out of your ass (except for the rod that's up there...)

but then again it seems your Iq is very low.If you check the original thread starter was inquiring bout the stock ka24de not a 3,500 dollar engine.I can spend 900 dollars and get a klze which has 200 hp and 180 tq which i can use with the stock tranny and the american spec kl03 parts direct fit.No need to wait for parts to be imported etc. ZE powered probe = 14.4

you seem to be the one with the low IQ. yeah i said compare it to the SR20DET, but you think i didn't read the original post? i'm not just going to come and post without reading what's already been said. and since you're so obsessed with your KLZE, let's compare ZE to SR, shall we??

SR: 1/4 mile time = 14.25
ZE (according to you) = 14.4

SR horsepower (S13) = 205
ZE = 200

SR torque (S13, lb-ft) = 203
ZE = 180

so there you go, you've lost in every category there. and who even wants to take a 240SX in a drag race anyways? that's not what they were made for. take it and your lilly Probe onto a road course and you'd lose yet again, no matter what engine you had in there. and since the SR is so good, i'd be more then willing to wait for all the parts to come over from Japan. better in my mind then trusting american made parts. i'd also be more then willing to pay $2500 for an SR. it's well worth it.

14.9 eh? a completely stock Sr will blow your doors off. And most people who swap SR's usually get better clutches, cone type intake, downpipe, catback, and even s-afc's as soon as the swap it, so your average SR swap in the USA with a good driver might dip into 13's without messing with boost, thats just an estimate though. If you would take a FORD vs a NISSAN then obviously nobody you know is a mechanic LMAO! I drove a ford for awhile, bad tranny, shitty air, calipers would lock, can't get 0 camber without cutting the strut towers up front so tires wear bad, lets see what else, eats oil, tie rods break a lot, my radiator cracked, errrr headgasket blew... hmmm what else LMAO some people have 240's for a lot longer then I had that ford and don't have problems even similar to that as far as maitenance. My Brother in law used to design parts for fords in Michigan, a fact he told me is parts per million, FORD has the highest percentage of allowing defective parts to be used, not too good of quality control if you ask me.

Stock vs Stock, the nissan is better: reliability, handling, and acceleration.

I once met a guy who had a klze probe. Im pretty certain I remember him saying he did a 14.9 in the quarter (he had a few mods too). An Sr20det s14 will do 14.9 in the quarter too (time from best motoring), but with the turbo it doesnt take much modification to put it in the low 13s.

Originally posted by SR20DETpower
14.9 eh? a completely stock Sr will blow your doors off.
Funny considering i have a 13.4 at moroso and didnt have to spend 3,500 to do it.

Originally posted by S13_Iketani



so there you go, you've lost in every category there. and who even wants to take a 240SX in a drag race anyways? that's not what they were made for. take it and your lilly Probe onto a road course and you'd lose yet again, no matter what engine you had in there. and since the SR is so good, i'd be more then willing to wait for all the parts to come over from Japan. better in my mind then trusting american made parts. i'd also be more then willing to pay $2500 for an SR. it's well worth it.
The fight of the discontinued cars.
Either way you see this you have to view it not from a personal perspective but from an automotive one. First the obvious. Front engine Rear wheel drive Vs Front engine Front wheel drive. Normally the front engine rear wheel drive would have the advantage but in stock trim the suspension setting are set to soft for the 240sx. It may have a great chassis but you wont be able to tell with the amount of body roll you will feel. Performance wise they really aren't in the same category. I've raced a few N/A 240sx and even when I was stock I wouldn't have a problem with them. Aftermarket its not even close. Its one of the main reason I'm got a 240sx. You can make one extremely fast for little money. But we are not talking about aftermarket are we. We are talking about stock Vs stock. Check out the article on car and driver. 240sx Vs Probe GT, Vs Prelude SH, Vs Integra GSR. They raced the cars on a course and its easy to guess who came in last. Yup you guessed right the 240sx. Im not saying it cant be made fast. We know it has all the potential in the world. It has 10 time the potential of the probe. But in stock trim lets be honest. Its rather tame (Japan not included). Take it to the track against a Probe Gt and that front wheel drive car will embarrass you. Take it as you will but before you reply take your time and do just a little research.
As for the guy with the brain in his ass S13 if you check the specs on your own car the low 14 is hit using a s15 spec sr20 not the anemic non valve timing engine.And i never said i liked the ZE if i did dont u think i wouldve had one.
As for sr20det if you got a sr20det i want you to race my cousins probe.BAsic turbo kit stock internal 242 whp on 5 psi look up lude speed in florida.

i'm not even going to waste my time trying to argue with you. first of all your user name is Probe GTR and you claim to own a Probe GTR. i can't even begin to explain what's wrong with that. second of all, you have Nos on your car. there's your 13.4 right there. Nos is gay. i would never let Nos withint 200 feet of my 240SX. sure it gives performace, but it's so over-rated and such an unfair advantage. take off the Nos and i doubt you'd have much. second of all, custom painted interior, carbon fibre shift knob and huge wing? those must all make you REALLY fast right?? your head is so far up your ass it's coming out of your mouth. of course i researched before i typed. what the hell do you think i am, some 12 year old ricer? no, i know my 240's and got that figure from a reputable source. and soft suspension on a 240SX?? do i HAVE to begin on that one??? the 240SX is without a doubt one of the best handling non-super-sports car that's been made in a good while! you're Anal Probe will get it's ass handed to it on a silver platter on the road course, no matter how far you cut your springs. and frankly i don't give a shit if i lose to your cousin's car in the 1/4, because i hate drag racing. i wouldn't tune my car to BE a drag racer. i would still respect myself more for NOT owning a Probe. i totally agree that the 240SX STOCK will lose to a Probe (not by much). but my 240SX won't be staying stock for long. i'm done with this argument.

I would really like to see that article...

I've raced a few N/A 240sx and even when I was stock I wouldn't have a problem with them.

My drivetrain is completely stock, except for a b&m shifter I put in just two weeks ago. I also use 93 octane, if you think that makes a big difference. In the year I have owned my car, I've taken all 4 of the probes I've raced (they were all late model too). And all by at least 1 full length (that one was a 24v). Were you racing the sohc 240sx models?

As for Car and Driver, I dont consider their articles very accurate. I find that 90% of the time, their articles conflict with my real world experiences.

Originally posted by Probe-GTR
2.5L V-Tech Eater!!!!!


Your car eats phones??? :confused: :confused:

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Originally posted by Probe-GTR
2.5L V-Tech Eater!!!!!
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YOUR CAR EATS PHONES???

:thumbup: :hehe: LOL

so don't pull things out of your ass (except for the rod that's up there...) so don't pull things out of your ass (except for the rod that's up there...)

:hehe: :thumbup: LOL

I was driving and this MX-6 started reving up his engine and all of that crap, exhaust, intake, and it sounded much like a 6, I don't even know if they made a mx-6 with a 4, but im in a 99 toyota avalon XL bone stock, just bought it a week before, we ran to a redlight and I turned my od off and my ect on and ew both guned it, he had a clutch, could hear the shifts, and I was still ahead of him, he was taking his shifts to atleast 5500 and I was just holding down the pedal. I have had more problems with Chevy Xtremes then with probes and MX-6's, I don't know why everyone buys them and thinks they can burn stock 6.6 second eclipse's.

I personally own a 94 Toyota MR2 Turbo and I smoke all probes, let them be turbo or not, MR2 turbos stock get 5.9 second says the factory, and I get about 4.9 with the modifications I currently run.

The reason I'm looking at the forum is for information on a 240sx, my friend wants one and I was thinking what we would have to do to make it fast, he also owns a hardbody with a KA24DC and that engine isn't the best, v-6 nissan would probably be better.

Any good info on 240sx?

Originally posted by MR2REMX

I personally own a 94 Toyota MR2 Turbo and I smoke all probes,
Any good info on 240sx?

probes are weak, check out this vid and you'll see why!!!
http://students.washington.edu/crm2/Racing%20Videos/Probe%20GT%20vs%20VW%20Corrado.mpeg

ENJOY!!!!!

that video doens't prove anything. the probe missed a shift, and the probe had extra weight *passenger*. and the car that the probe was racing is a supercharge volkswagen carrado. those cars are not slow by any means. so that video doesn't prove anything, in fact i was impressed with the probes performance of how he hung in there despite all that.

Originally posted by TatII
that video doens't prove anything. the probe missed a shift, and the probe had extra weight *passenger*. and the car that the probe was racing is a supercharge volkswagen carrado. those cars are not slow by any means. so that video doesn't prove anything, in fact i was impressed with the probes performance of how he hung in there despite all that.

Hey to be honest your right!

thank you for agreeing with me.:D

get a 3.0 v6 probe. otherwise get the nissan

paonessa there was never a 3.0 probe. their v6's are tiny 2.5 liters.

my sister had a 1990 3.0 v6 lx probe. it had a mazda engine but it definitely was a 3.0. I kinda wish i had actually given a shit about it cuz i'd have taken some pictures. but i did get stuck driving it when she went away to college cuz i had totaled the 200sx SE-R I owned prior to my Max. I don't really know anything about the probes maybe there was a swap done before we bought it but i did a few oil changes on it and it had a mazda 3.0 v6 valve cover . i remember when we first got it i thought it was funny how we kept getting 3.0's. me and my dad have maxima's my mom and my other sister have tauruses and she had the probe.
i also thought it was funny how much better the nissan 6's were compared to the fords but that's a whole different thread

heh thats interesting indeed. too bad i don't know anyone who knows about probes too well. but yeah nissan v6's equals to ford v8's.:flipa:

Mazda engine in probe:confused: Who the hell even thought that up? I guess:D

Well they are almost the same car after all

It was probably an mx-6 engine

Originally posted by Paonessa
It was probably an mx-6 engine

They fit in Nissan:confused:

i mean in the probe it was probably an mx-6 engine

I own a 1989 240sx and my boyfriend owns a 1995 probe gt and we ran them in a 1/4 mile and I didnt lose by much... I'm figuring the only reason I did was because I need to have a little bit of engine work done and I know I can smoke him.. I was able to beat his friend who drives a 2002 eclipse... 240's are far better..

Originally posted by bashfulbabe004
240's are far better..

Well as far handling at least

Originally posted by bashfulbabe004
I'm figuring the only reason I did was because I need to have a little bit of engine work done and I know I can smoke him..

If the probe would have had engine work done to it, then it would smoke ur 240..probes are better cars...point blank period.:sun:

:rolleyes:

Dood, if you wanna talk engine work, buy a S13 with a busted engine for $500 and drop in a redtop SR20 and a boost controller (this engine BOLTS ONTO the chassis, no fab needed). For an investment of $5000 TOPS you have a 14.0 second car with a nearly new engine that will own anything short of a S2000 in the corners (ferrari-level handling is achieved with a set of coilovers).

Originally posted by Fliquer
:rolleyes:

Dood, if you wanna talk engine work, buy a S13 with a busted engine for $500 and drop in a redtop SR20 and a boost controller (this engine BOLTS ONTO the chassis, no fab needed). For an investment of $5000 TOPS you have a 14.0 second car with a nearly new engine that will own anything short of a S2000 in the corners (ferrari-level handling is achieved with a set of coilovers).

I agree with you

Originally posted by MaximusGTR


I agree with you


I dont.

I live in a country full of real 180 and 200sx's and yes they are fast, but like all Japanese pocket rockets they are highly overrated, especialy by people who have never seen them.

Ferrari levels of handling from a set of coil overs? :rolleyes:
14s from just an engine swap? :rolleyes:
Reality and childhood fantasy are very differnt things.

As far as handling the S13 Silvia, which is simular to a 180SX, is pretty good but would not compare to a Ferrari at all. Even with suspension upgrades you are still left in the dust.

Now a guy flatting at my house owns an S13. He had done only a pod filter, front mount i/c, and a boost controller. He was running 16 psi of boost and managed a 13.4 on P225/50/16 Bridgestone Grid II's. They are much lighter than say a GTR and the SR20DET is a very good engine :)

Originally posted by RazorGTR
He was running 16 psi of boost and managed a 13.4 on P225/50/16 Bridgestone Grid II's. They are much lighter than say a GTR and the SR20DET is a very good engine :)


16psi is a lot of boost, certianly a lot more than standard. And he's clearly a very very good driver.
If you will remember the stock cars at the last Silvia drag day had trouble getting into the 15s, and some didnt even make it that far.
The SR20det is an awsome engine, certianly better than anything with pistons that Mazda has produced, but the 200sx is heavier than you might think.

wow the performance car, NZ boy's are here, nice one......


I agree step into the real world of the 180sx and 200sx's and you will find the limits are in easy reach to those untrained.....

umm well try the S12 Silvia w/ the VG30E in it(Standard I might add, from 85' - 87'), that'll be a hoot.. HA! Great I though the FJ20DET powered S12 was a bit of a tail happy thing, that V-6 powered S12 was a drag car even with the multi-link rear end...



oh one last thing the Ford Probe well the name say's it all for me..


ok this is it the last thing.... 24 psi FJ20DET = 433hp @ 6,200 @ the rear wheels just dyno'ed on Tuesday in Magick Wellyland, are I got a race shop with a 4WD capable Dyno just down the road from my friendly abode(sleepin' area), sweet as..... sorry nothing really..

Originally posted by VH45DETTwithNOS
umm well try the S12 Silvia w/ the VG30E in it(Standard I might add, from 85' - 87'), that'll be a hoot.. HA!


I thought these were only ever sold in North America and Australia?
Iv certianly never seen one here in NZ. :)
And the old FJ20 powered cars were heaps of fun to drive! one of the last true nissans before they started to run out of money.

And its a little known secret that despite being hosted in the US, its Kiwis who actualy run AF. :D

Originally posted by Moppie



I thought these were only ever sold in North America and Australia?
Iv certianly never seen one here in NZ. :)
And the old FJ20 powered cars were heaps of fun to drive! one of the last true nissans before they started to run out of money.

And its a little known secret that despite being hosted in the US, its Kiwis who actualy run AF. :D

yeah they were only sold in the States and Aussie, but I imported the VG30 kit for my S12 as a guide to see how we could mount a VH45DE in the engine bay, well it fits, with enough room for a turbo or supercharger oh well these things happen........

Originally posted by Moppie



16psi is a lot of boost, certianly a lot more than standard. And he's clearly a very very good driver.
If you will remember the stock cars at the last Silvia drag day had trouble getting into the 15s, and some didnt even make it that far.
The SR20det is an awsome engine, certianly better than anything with pistons that Mazda has produced, but the 200sx is heavier than you might think.

At factory boost he did a 13.8 :finger: As for recently he peddled the car to a 12.78. I hopped in and did no less than two consecutive 12.8 flat's which after 9 more goes he couldn't get back below my time in his car again. It is a quick car for what it is and what has been done to it.

moppie there is no way that a turbo silvia barely hits 15's. those guys must suck big balls. my car hit 15.5 and i'm n/a~!!!!

Besides Mopster you know me. You've been in my car. Not to mention there are a number of forum users who know me personally as well. Trying to BS someone on here would only get me caught dude :(

When the 12.8's and 12.78 were done he was running 1.2 bar or 17.4 psi of boost. He knows the motor is going to go and it is a matter of time but he also has a spare engine he is building right now that will or should be able to handle 650hp out of that SR20DET.

Hey also there is an SDU Drag day coming up in May I believe. You keen to come down and give a bunch of the Skyline owners a bit of the willy's and also get another blat down in the GTR? Pushing a damn sight more grunt then last time so should be all good.

Originally posted by RazorGTR
Besides Mopster you know me. .


Oh I believe you!
But you also didnt mention what else had been done to the car.
Remembe the Silver Primera at the Silvia drag day that was running consistant 15s flat? Well that had an almost stock engine, yet was going over a second faster than its stock time.
The totaly stock Silvias were just getting into the 15s, the modified cars were going faster. :)


And I would love to come down to another drag day and scare the shit out of some skylines, but my cars getting a bit long in the tooth, and Im a bit short in the wallet. To scare the skylines I would have to spank the crap out of it, and I just know Ill break something the moment I try that.