What a tard!

Do we really need more proof that Kanye West is full of himself?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15536834/

West has a particular affinity for the “Touch The Sky” video. In an interview with The Associated Press in August, he expressed his displeasure that the clip, an elaborate Evel Knievel spoof, didn’t get nominated for an MTV Video Music Award.

“It didn’t get any nominations, but it’s one of the most memorable videos of the year for me,” he told AP.

No kidding, it's YOUR video... dumbass.

he's a turd.

Kanye is such a tool.

I used to like him so much....

I love his music, but I fully recognize that he's an arrogant ass. Before he was still tolerably arrogant, now he's gone too far. What's wrong with Chicago people? :shakehead

The guys one of the biggest racists out there and manages to never get called out for it.....

i'm sick of his music in some ways.

he needs to drop the whole "white people hate us" thing. it's old, it's tired and overall it's not even true.

yes, there are racist white people out there, but there are racist black people, asian people etc...

he needs to grow up, i bet he's never even seen an example of racism.

I don't understand the whole racist thing. He's an ass definitely. He's obviously full of himself and is a classic case of a narcissistic human being, but when did he become racist?

I mean it doesn't affect me what anybody thinks of him cuz he sure aint payin me to improve his public image, but I don't see what he's done to be considered racist.

And his angle is less "white people hate us" and more "everybody hates on me". But I at least see where you'd get that impression. The racist thing I don't see though

in one of his songs he said something like "sitting at the table where white folk don't want us to eat" it was on his first album.

that really pissed me off. his whole "white people hate us" thing pisses me off. he needs to grow up, he blatantly doesn't know a thing about racism and such. it just pisses me off how he tries to make all white people out to be completely anti-black.

I believe you're talking about the song where he references when his mom and grandfather were arrested for participating in sit-ins during civil rights protests in the 60's. His point in that particular song was thats where he got his strong will and defiant (for lack of a better word) nature. If it was a different song, then I can't recall it right now.

But yes, he does reference what he believes to be injustices by white people, but from how I interpret it, its rarely of the "all white people hate black people" variety. But I'm sure the way I interpret his words is different than the way you guys would, simply due to cultural perspective. The same way that an ethnic joke is usually funny to everyone except the group that is the butt of the joke.

by the way he says "where white people aint want us to eat" i interpret as him saying white people in general don't want black people to eat (and therefore live)

i'm sure there are white people out there that think like that. (and vise-versa) but i'm not so sure about white people in general. i don't have anything about black people.

in most cases i take racism in my stride, it's there and it's a part of life. i don't get worried over a few words here and there. i have jokes with friends of different ethnic groups, we joke about white people and all the races. most of the time, i'm the first one to make a joke about white people, because i can laugh at myself when we're joking.

when it gets to something serious, such as insulting my race as a whole (or even my nationality, people who like my music, or any group i may fall into) when it's over something totally unjustified and something that isn't even true, then i get pissed off.

I agree with you about him being a racist, I don't really think he is. I just think he's stupid.

But I'll still listen to his cd's, because no matter how stupid someone is, it can't make me stop listening to the cd I spent $15 on.

by the way he says "where white people aint want us to eat" i interpret as him saying white people in general don't want black people to eat (and therefore live)


Exactly my point. When I listened to it, I heard a completely different story than you did. I believe the variance in interpretation comes from cultural background, which is bound to happen. But in any event, he's an idiot in general and has effectively made it necessary to question the validity and purpose of all words leaving his mouth.

But unfortunately I'll keep buying his CDs until the music isn't any good. The best music comes from crazy people imo :screwy:

what a little cry-baby. if i were receiving the award when he got on stage i'd mush him in the face and take the mic back. didn't he pull this shit before at some other award show cuz he didn't win best new artist or something?

and he's a total racist, in gold digger he says "...and when he gets on he'll leave your ass for a white girl". cuz we all know getting dumped for a white person is the worst thing in the world. and in another song he says "drug dealer's buy jordan's, crack-head's buy crack, and the white man gets paid off of all of that" like i've ever seen one dime from a crack sale, for fuck's sake i hate kanye.

Definately a disgrace. Quite frankly I don't really take much thought into what he says anymore. He is a joke and if you take him seriously all the time you'll continually be frustrated. Just another person that can drop off the face of the Earth as far as I'm concerned.

he needs to drop the white people thing before i go there and do what us white folk want to. punch him in the face. that's not on a race level, it's on a personal level.

didn't he pull this shit before at some other award show cuz he didn't win best new artist or something?

He pouted backstage after he didn't win a Grammy for Best New Artist in 04 I believe

and he's a total racist, in gold digger he says "...and when he gets on he'll leave your ass for a white girl". cuz we all know getting dumped for a white person is the worst thing in the world. and in another song he says "drug dealer's buy jordan's, crack-head's buy crack, and the white man gets paid off of all of that" like i've ever seen one dime from a crack sale, for fuck's sake i hate kanye.

The line in gold digger was actually a crack about black guys saying that a lot of black guys don't want black women anymore because they talk so much shit and we can't stand up to it. Again, interpretation.

The jordans line is the best example of perceived "racism" presented thus far, but its nothing that hasn't been said before by someone else in a more disguised manner. Again, it was a statement about the black community and how we can't manage to keep money circulating through it because large portions are spent on drugs or luxury items. Last time I checked, there were few if any american drug cartels run by black guys. The Jordan empire is obviously run by a black man, but speaking generally the luxury items purchased in black communities are products from non-black run companies. He's not (from my interpretation) saying white people are stealing all our money, he's saying we give it to them out of ignorance and lack of self-sufficiency.

I am not here to be Kanye's lawyer, but the idea of anyone being labeled a racist as a result of misinterpreatation doesn't sit well with me. I don't deny that his words can be viewed as racist, but I'm saying if you understand the message they wouldn't be. But that is the burden carried by any public figure of any race. Your words will be heard my the masses and they will not always be received in the manner that you meant them :2cents:

i say shank the mofo.

:p Together you and me are gonna solve race relations as well as squash the American/ British rivalry.

Either that or we'll kill each other in the process.

what did you say about us brits?

oh that's it, you're dead.

:flipa: What was I thinking? How the hell are we gonna solve anything and we can't even get AIM to work? :disappoin

I don't understand the whole racist thing. He's an ass definitely. He's obviously full of himself and is a classic case of a narcissistic human being, but when did he become racist?


Since I saw him live on TV after Katrina making comments about how the government wasn't responding because there weren't white folk needing rescuing.

What's your next argument, only white folk can be racist?

Since I saw him live on TV after Katrina making comments about how the white people left the black people in New Orleans to die and how the government wasn't responding because there weren't white folk needing rescuing.

What's your next argument, only white folk can be racist?

I believe his words were "George Bush doesn't care about black people" That was followed by a shocked look on mike meyers face and then it was over. Nowhere in there did I hear him say "white people left black people there to die". I doubt Kanye believes GW Bush to be the lone spokesperson and prototype for all of white america. Now the venue and manner in which he expressed his opinion were both inappropriate, but don't put words in his mouth. What was in question in that instance was the fact that the people of NO were left stranded for multiple days before any rescue attempts were made. This was a stellar example of gross negligence and general incompetence by FEMA and our government as a whole. To deny that is just plain ignorant.

The second factor in the situation was the fact that the vast majority of people stranded in the flooded, disease infested waters of New Orleans were black. I'm not saying George Bush wanted to kill all the black people in New Orleans. If he wanted to start a genocide, I'm sure he could find a faster way. But the facts are there. Yes, some of the people stayed in NO by choice thinking that the storm would blow over. But stupidity doesn't change the fact that they are human beings and they were in desperate need of assistance. That help came... 4 days later. Thanks GW.

So Kanye's declaration was one of ignorance and misjudgement, not racism. At the time, it appeared George Bush in fact did NOT care about the people of NO, and the vast majority of those people were black. He made a specific and hopefully incorrect inference into the situation without substantial evidence to support his claim. That makes him angry, that makes him ignorant, that makes him hasty with his speech, but I fail to see where that makes him racist.

And no, not only white people can be racist. I know racist people from all sides of the color wheel. But declaring someone racist without genuine merit is ignorant in its own right. People called Arnold Schwatrzenegger racist after he made those comments about "latinas being hot" or whatever it was. Foolish yes, humorous yes (to me at least), offensive not really, racist definitely not.

You know who is racist? My old boss. Old black guy who thinks every white guy that enters the store is looking for a way to screw him out of money or get by for free because he's a white guy. The same guy that told me to "Watch any young n***a who comes in here. You know they waitin to steal some s**t". The list goes on. He's one of the most racist people I ever met. One of my good friends is Philippino and she's racist to an extent also. She wouldn't hire other asian people or any hispanic people because of what she predicted about their pesonal and professional habits. Racist people are out there, but you can't just peg someone as racist because they may not like what certain people of another race do (when they actually did it).

When Kanye starts turning away white producers or artists because he thinks they're going to try to scam him, or he fires all his black assistants because they are gonna steal from him, or he tells his mexican production assistant he will only be in charge of cutting the grass, then tell me he's racist. But when he calls Bsh out on his lack of urgency to assist a large number of black people fallen victim to a natural disaster, accept it for what it is. Black people were there, Bush did nothing for 4 days.

That's interesting.

Is that concedence or a smart ass way of saying "whatever dude"? I assume the latter which disappoints me. If you have reason to believe that what I say is invalid, I'd love to hear it. There's no point in telling someone they're wrong if you can't tell them why. Meh...

the problem is that people don't call non-white people on racist remarks as much. i was watching a show on discovery where they were listing some genetic reasons why black people are good at sports. one of them was about why kenyans were good at marathons, it had something to do with the lower part of their leg being longer or something. anyways, after that they had a black guy who was saying "it's not genetics, it's a difference in heart, every time i saw a white basketball team go against a black team, they were scared. you people always try to find excuses why we're better than you" and i don't remember anyone saying anything about that. now if a white person had said something similar to that, they'd be thrown off the air and there would be news about it.

Now i'm not trying to make this out to be a huge thing, i honestly don't care because what people say about white people doesn't really bother me. i'm just saying that they usually don't get called on it like a white person would.

What was in question in that instance was the fact that the people of NO were left stranded for multiple days before any rescue attempts were made. This was a stellar example of gross negligence and general incompetence by FEMA and our government as a whole. .......

The second factor in the situation was the fact that the vast majority of people stranded in the flooded, disease infested waters of New Orleans were black. I'm not saying George Bush wanted to kill all the black people in New Orleans. If he wanted to start a genocide, I'm sure he could find a faster way. But the facts are there. Yes, some of the people stayed in NO by choice thinking that the storm would blow over. But stupidity doesn't change the fact that they are human beings and they were in desperate need of assistance. That help came... 4 days later. Thanks GW.

Look, I am one of the last people who would like to defend Bushco right now, but everything needs balance. I do agree that the entire government, bottom to top, didn't do enough.

First, there's this pesky little thing called the US Constitution. It defines what powers the federal gov't has in respect to the states. The governor of that state (who is white, for whatever the hell that's worth) needed to formally ask the feds for help. She also calls the shots for the National Guard in her state. That should have been in place as soon as NOAA called the hit on NO. Maybe some of you have seen/heard the clips where she's sitting in a studio, agonizing to her aide about whether she waited too long to call the feds. Call it spin, but it's out there. What responsibility does the mayor of NO (who is black, but I don't really give a shit) have to follow procedure to call in help? I don't know, and I'm not privy to the back channel communications that must have been flying fast and furious at the time.

Second, the director of FEMA was an outright incompetent tool who never should have been there in the first place.

Third, I guarantee that the same people who want GW's head on a pike for not acting sooner would have been just as outraged if he had ignored the US Constitution and sent in the troops without following the law. But, that's the way it is. When you're at the top, people will examine every move you make through a microscope, waiting to beat your ass for it. Personally, I think he should have done it anyway, for humanitarian reasons, but I just wanted to toss in a little more spice for this soup.

Lastly, West is a self-serving idiot who uses whatever he can to line his pockets. If he can stir up some controversy and get more publicity, I don't think he's above that. Added to that, there are people on both sides of the race issue who have a vested interest in keeping that pot boiling. I don't for one minute think the Dems care any more about minority issues, except what they can gain from it.

They should have yelled into the mic "Everyone be careful, Kanye's head's so huge it's about to blow." And then proceeded to beat him into a coma. I can't stand that mofo!

The US Constitution has become nothing more than an old piece of paper for the government to hide behind when its convenient and rip through when its not. They'll happily step around its basic principles when they need to do some spying on the american public, but when they need to get choppers and trucks into a city under water that pesky constitution won't let em do it. But that really a different discussion entirely.

My point is that the clearly idiotic Kanye is being called racist for illegitimate reasons imo. Its one thing to be an ass or a moron. But being labeled a racist is a much deeper statement about someone's mental make up and motivations.

And yes, people of color probably aren't called racist as quickly as white people, but that shouldn't be used as a warrant to slap the racist tag on Kanye West for what he said about Bush not caring about black people. Whoever the athlete burrito referred to is, he could be labeled a racist "we are better than them" is a pretty clear statement about how he views white people. Racism is a generalized mindset about a race or ethnicity, not a specific dislike for a member of that race.

My point is that the clearly idiotic Kanye is being called racist for illegitimate reasons imo. Its one thing to be an ass or a moron. But being labeled a racist is a much deeper statement about someone's mental make up and motivations.

And yes, people of color probably aren't called racist as quickly as white people, but that shouldn't be used as a warrant to slap the racist tag on Kanye West for what he said about Bush not caring about black people. Whoever the athlete burrito referred to is, he could be labeled a racist "we are better than them" is a pretty clear statement about how he views white people. Racism is a generalized mindset about a race or ethnicity, not a specific dislike for a member of that race.
Well, West DID choose to say that GW didn't care about black people, so that leaves him open to the racist tag as much as anyone else. Let's be honest; he knew what he was saying, and he said it for the controversy. As I said before, there are people who stand to gain from stirring up that controversy as much as possible.

If he had said that GW didn't care about the people of New Orleans, without the reference to race, I could see where it's unfair to use the R word for him. But, he put himself in that position as soon as he opened his mouth, so he can take his lumps for it just like anyone else that gets the R tag put on them for their remarks.

Personally, I'd still think he's an idiot if he was as white as the Mayflower settlers.