New Cars Piss Me Off

why are there no decently priced, classicly styled, RWD, 4-5 speed cars out there on the market.

seriously, if i want an automatic, i'll buy a buick, or i'll check the option box to get one. I WANT A MANUAL.

i looked around online, and there are almost no 07' cars that offer RWD and a manual tranny.
the closest the dodge charger gets is an autostick.
magnum and 300C too. even in the SRT-8 trim, the best you can get is an autostick.

dont even get me started on chevy.
they dont have anything anymore that is even worth buying.

of course if you think chevy is bad, ford is like... worse.

the 83-86 impala SS, or 84 caprice 2 door is along the lines of what i am looking for.
i even found a company that will convert them to a manual.

85-87 camaro is close too. great styling and mechanical stuff, but a little too flashy. i like sleepers.

i found someone who converted a mid 80s Shelby Charger (fwd) to RWD.
that would be cool.


closest car i can find is the crossfire, but only if you can convince yourself that you dont want the biggest engine and SRT-6 trim (an auto is the only choice if you want SRT-6)



am i missing something???

WTF!!!

hey hey hey, chill, cars are just going through a transition, that's all. The Monte carlo SS is pretty good, if you can deal with the FWD. The Mustang V6doesn't have a 5 speed? The GTO is really good but i hate how it looks. The Caddy CTSs are amazing, atleast I think so.

Think of it this way, there's been a lot of technological advances with cars int he last 20 years and there's always good stuff coming along.

Mustang GT, Pontiac GTO (2006), Cadillac CTS-v (Prolly too expensive, but still...)

Honestly the GTO is everything you asked for...

I think Grey Goose was after a 'classically styled' car. Folks in the 'States don't think the GTO is a 'classically styled' car - after all it's a Monaro and based on the Holden Commodore. Australian cars tend to have reasonably well proportioned cars with good surfacing (the new VE and the Territory being good examples) - unfortunately, critics in the US panned the GTO as not being 'masculine' or enough like the old GTOs... From memory, the last GTO that came from the US had huge overhangs and handled like a barge... and the US gave us wonderfully styled cars like the Pacer, Edsel, Town Car and Taurus... but then Australia gave us the AU Falcon and the Buick influenced VP Commodore...

The Monte carlo SS is pretty good, if you can deal with the FWD.
agreed, but come on, FWD in a monte carlo? thats just wrong.
Honestly the GTO is everything you asked for...
I had actuall forgotten about that one.
I think Grey Goose was after a 'classically styled' car. Folks in the 'States don't think the GTO is a 'classically styled' car
well its the closest thing i can find. i actually almost like the GTO.

If you are from europe, you might know what car i'm talking about.
i think it was a Vauxhaul Monaro VXR
it was big and red (in the picture i saw).
it had minor grey body cladding, and a wing on the back.
each front fender had grey vents.
engine was from a corvette.
0-60 in under 5 sec.
manual tranny, and RWD.
thats the car i want whatever it was.

yes, it is the Vauxhall Monaro, the VXR is the top-spec one. i believe it has an LS1.

is that new saturn car rwd? the same as the solitice? the rx8 is also an awesome car and comes in manual. the styling is great too!

ummm, a Vette? it's sort of classically styled as it doesn't follow normal supercar design and sticks to traditional design. how about the Camaro and Challanger concepts? comin' out soon, and they're both very retro. Ford GT? (not that you're ever going to afford one) The MX-5? styling hasn't really changed in like forever. Same with the s2000. given they're not classics, but they're old.

Mustang GT, Pontiac GTO (2006), Cadillac CTS-v (Prolly too expensive, but still...)

Honestly the GTO is everything you asked for...
The GTO is off the hook for the price. And if you know how to wheel and deal the dealer you can get one for very cheap. I'd be willing to bet I could walk out of a dealer with one fully loaded for well under $25K.

I hate FWD cars. I can't stand the way they drive and feel. I wish they had more RWD options available in the compact/sub-compact range. It would be like little go-carts.

The Monaro you are talking about is a fairly common sight in Australia/NZ, it's called the HSV Coupe GTO (270 Kw)/GTS (300 Kw), the body kits should be an easy find in Australia or New Zealand for not too much money (Aside from shipping of course)

These are the ones you are thinking of...

Earlier VX/VY (LS1) models- http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Cars/Holden/auction-73676299.htm

Later VZ (LS2) models- http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Cars/Holden/photos/a-57160222/p-21685876.htm

Wait for the new Dodge Challenger. :)

^ exactly.

Pfffft, next company to do a Retro-throwback gets the bash.

The Monaro you are talking about is a fairly common sight in Australia/NZ, it's called the HSV Coupe GTO (270 Kw)/GTS (300 Kw), the body kits should be an easy find in Australia or New Zealand for not too much money (Aside from shipping of course)
no, thats not it.
it was definately its own brand (make? model? whatever)
i wish i could remember what it was.
i saw it in a comparison test in EVO magazine.
it was up against a TVR griffith and i believe a corvette if that helps.

Well the Pontiac GTO was designed and is built in Victoria, Australia. It's based on Holden Commodore spinoff called a Monaro and is coupe version of it. The HSV (Holden Special Vehicles) derivatives appears as the Vauxhall Monaro VXR and as the Pontiac GTO and feature the LS1. Originally, there was even a V6 model using a Buick Derived pushrod six!

Most folk who have seen one simply assume it didn't come from Australia - after all we make meat pies and farm kangaroos..

Wait for the new Dodge Challenger.
Ill bet you that when it finally comes out, it wont be offered with a standard no gimicks manual trans. especially not in SRT-8 or whatever the highest trim is.

not that i have anything against an auto trans, just that they should be an option that you pay for, not standard equipment.

the car companies are just selling to the demographics, mate. If 'us' 'mericans WANTED and DEMANDED manual trannies, than then auto companies would offer them. But the fact quite simply is that most people want auto trannies (and most people who buy shitbo...er domestic cars are the type that can't/won't drive a stick). So why should they put in the extra cost to design a different transmission and all the headaches that go with it for the 1.3% of people that actually want them like that?

because it takes no extra effort to pull the trans from a car like the corvette, and use it in other chevy cars of similar dimensions.
it really isnt that much extra work.
a lot less than these shit "autostick" contraptions they use now.

Heres an idea. Lincoln LS the current ones arent available with a manual but the v8 has a lil more power. however the 2000-2002 models come with a manual and v8. they have a decent suspension to, same as the jaguar s-type. and it is RWD

http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/overview.aspx?year=2002&make=Lincoln&model=LS

i think your best bets for classical styling other than that are mustangs and camaros. possibly BMW? in 08/09 there will be a RWD impala.

because it takes no extra effort to pull the trans from a car like the corvette, and use it in other chevy cars of similar dimensions.
it really isnt that much extra work.
a lot less than these shit "autostick" contraptions they use now.

Similar dimensions? what the hell has similar dimensions to a corvette? What other car has its engine in the front and transmission in the back?
Anyway, its not as easy as just taking a manual tranny and just dropping it into a car that didnt have a manual transmission option in mind. You have to change the center console, have to change the firewall, have to make sure there's enough room under the hood for the master cylinder, etc. It may not seem like a lot, but all that costs money, money that the companies aren't willing to spend.

ok, old thread, i know, but i started it, so its ok (right?)

the car i was thinking of is the MG SV-R.
look it up its sweet!!

Oh whow, that is a sexy car!
but it seems to be priced at around 82 pounds.
The Vauxhaul Monoaro VXR/ Holden/ GTO has the same BHP and is only 28 pounds brand new.

Still Im sure the MG will run laps around it.

Oh whow, that is a sexy car!
but it seems to be priced at around 82 pounds.
The Vauxhaul Monoaro VXR/ Holden/ GTO has the same BHP and is only 28 pounds brand new.

Still Im sure the MG will run laps around it.

i'm going to assume you mean 82/28 thousand pounds.

well DUH...
sorry.

yeah its a bit expensive, at around 170,000 ($US)
still an awesome car.

i'd get a red one with grey trim.
tinted windows.
custom high flow exhaust.
black leather interior.

i saw on ages ago here in london, in metallic blue. looked awesome. i love the raw the carbon fibre on them for the side vents and stuff. i think they have Ford 5-litre engines.

Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet....

http://www.autogaleria.pl/tapety/img/mg/mg_xpower_sv_2002_03_m.jpg

You saw what?

MG SV. like in the pic above. but in metallic blue.

wow, that is one of the most badass looking cars i've ever seen

wow, that is one of the most badass looking cars i've ever seen

pretty cool, isn't it?

Shame the clubsport concept never made it into production. there were plans for a 5-litre 1,000bhp version.

ill take 2.....

that is indeed very badass. do you by chance know if it was a old pushrod sbf or a 5.0l ohc ford engine? im just curious, being a big ford fan and all.

that is indeed very badass. do you by chance know if it was a old pushrod sbf or a 5.0l ohc ford engine? im just curious, being a big ford fan and all.

i think it was the 5-litre OHC from the cobras (or were they 5.4?)

i think it's the Cammer engine.

it has a ford 5L DOHC V-8.
380 ish horsepower.
yeah... SWEET.

-edited because i'm a dumbass.

i think it was the 5-litre OHC from the cobras (or were they 5.4?)

i think it's the Cammer engine.

well apparently it is the cammer.

the cobras pre-gt500 had a 4.6l engine. the gt500 has a 5.4l engine. but there is a 5-litre version available from ford so thats why i was wondering.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g103/GreyGoose006/Cars/MG_SV_XPower.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g103/GreyGoose006/Cars/MGSV-R1-1.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g103/GreyGoose006/Cars/MGSV-R3.jpg http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g103/GreyGoose006/Cars/MGSV-R4.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g103/GreyGoose006/Cars/MGSV-R2.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g103/GreyGoose006/Cars/MGSV-R6.jpg



sweet...


heres another car i wouldnt mind having
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g103/GreyGoose006/Cars/TVR_T440R.jpg

mmm tvr... british cars rock, to bad they are all to expensive.

british cars really are awesome.
they last forever, but require constant maintenance. just my style.
i love austrailan cars too. except the really ugly ones.

british cars really are awesome.
they last forever, but require constant maintenance. just my style.
i love austrailan cars too. except the really ugly ones.

No, not true.

well thats the american view at least.
you do at least admit that the older british cars were rather finicky and liked to decide not to work occasionally for no real reason.

oh yeah, the pre-80s cars were pretty unpredictable. and very unreliable. i have no disagreements that the old Brit cars were a bit crap when reliability was concerned.

my dad had a DB4 back in the day, he said the carbs were only good after a service. any other time they were a pain. it wasn't a car you could just start up, park somewhere else and leave. you had to drive it for at least 15 mins or the plugs got covered in gunk and needed to be cleaned.

the money they were supposed to spend on reliability all went to making the cars as sexy as hell. they werent reliable, but they sure looked good

In all seriousness, I think for you the GTO is the way to go. Personally I think they are decent factory performers and is just a cleanly styled car.

well, its been said over and over again... styling is a matter of preference, not fact.
i think that the GTO is plain Fugly, but thats my opinion. it is fugly in the same way 90-96 caprices are fugly in comparison to 77-89 caprices/impalas.
kinda soft around the edges if you ask me.
i like angles and creases a-la cadillac SLR and SLR-V. that car is perfect. except the price.

I had cheeseburgers for dinner.

i agree with the GTO comment, not into them at all, the one thing i liked was the interior racing seats, otherwise it looks like just another pontiac.... ill take a porshe gt3, lambo, ferrari as far as exotics... but realistically id probably get a 350z with the greddy turbo kit they offer, i think it makes it like 500 hp.....

the thing thats nice about the gto is this, LS2. very nice.

I had cheeseburgers for dinner.
HUH???
the thing thats nice about the gto is this, LS2. very nice.
i agree. they just need to slim it down.
its kinda like that fat guy at your school. underneath all that mass, he was actually pretty strong. he could bench 250, but it didnt matter when he stook next to a guy who could only bench 200, but was cut... in my mind, the GTO is just too overweight and rounded over.

agreed, the gto ate to many cheeseburgers...

well the GTO is more of a gentlemen s cruiser, not a sports car.

whatever you say...

well im not trying to defend it. im not a fan of its looks either. but its geared like more of a cruiser too. thats why a 05 mustang gt is faster 0-60 than a ls1 gto.

well, let me say that everyone has there own opinion, and none us are right or wrong. im biased toward larger/slower cars cause im a sports car fanatic. i judge on 0-60 and handling, when others could be judging gas mileage comfort and safety. price could also be a factor. so before this turns to war, remember, opinions are like a-holes, everyones got one....

the GTO is just too overweight and rounded over.

i think the front of the GTO just ruins it. the Vauxhall/Holden Monaros have really good looking front ends. the Ponitac front just looks crap.

the new corvettes are beautiful(for american cars)

the vauxhalls are better than the GTOs, but a better front end cant make up for an ugly car.
its like the mercury marauder. when it first came out, i thought it was so cool and menacing. then i saw a full picture of it. since the ads only showed a lower front 3/4 view, i thought the rest of the car was as cool as the front. the rear was exactly the same as any other merc. PFFFT.

Someone above hit the nail right on the head.

Lincoln LS, V8, 5-speed, I think they had it from 01-03 or so.

but you see what i am saying?
is there some inherent flaw in manual transmissions that makes them weaker in a powerful car?
nearly all Mercedes benzs are autos, and i believe that every AMG is an auto.
so many MBs would be nice except for the auto trans... although in a benz, i would deal with an auto just because

is there some inherent flaw in manual transmissions that makes them weaker in a powerful car?
nearly all Mercedes benzs are autos, and i believe that every AMG is an auto.
so many MBs would be nice except for the auto trans... although in a benz, i would deal with an auto just because
If you ask me, I think people are too lazy to shift. just want to put it in drive and slam the gas. really isn't that many people out there that enjoy the thrill of the good ol' stick and clutch nowadays.

Someone above hit the nail right on the head.

Lincoln LS, V8, 5-speed, I think they had it from 01-03 or so.

yup, they are very sexy cars too.