25k to spend

hi, when i get out of school i plan on getting a new car i have 25k to spend. here is what i am thinking.

03-04 350z

97-00 corvette

the newest trans am/ formula i can find

or a 06-07 eclispe

so i am pretty much looking for fastest/looks but i am also open to any suggestions.

what i'd get, 02 ws6.

mk4 supra
rx-7
new mustang gt

the z and trans am would be a good choice too.

try and find a C5 z06. they are just in/out of that price range right now.

of those, that would be my choice if i couldn't find an E46 M3 in that range which is very doubtful but i have seen them just under $30k

mk4 supra
rx-7
new mustang gt


I agree with the supra an the Z but a mustang is a waste, slow an to common. A supra are very easy to modify. They're fast an reliable. An Rx like mine... Unless your into rotor's you'll be in for a big suprise. You gotta have alot of time an dedication to own one of these. A supra is alot more roomier an just as fast + you can afford it. Overall if you can find an E46 M3 go for it.

how well do the c5 zo6 hold on to there value cause when i was looking at them i saw that the 2002 got the 40 hp or so more then 2001-lower years, but was like 5k over.

i prefer it to be fast out of the box so to speak. but would like the option to add stuff to it if i wanted to.. my current whip is a saturn so it's a pain trying to find stuff for it.

how well do the c5 zo6 hold on to there value cause when i was looking at them i saw that the 2002 got the 40 hp or so more then 2001-lower years, but was like 5k over.

i prefer it to be fast out of the box so to speak. but would like the option to add stuff to it if i wanted to.. my current whip is a saturn so it's a pain trying to find stuff for it.

going from a saturn to a vette will be plenty out of the box power. if you thirst for more. they make simple bolt on centrifugal supercharger kits for pretty cheap.

buddy a mine has a 01 Z06 with a bolt-on supercharger kit at 7psi is making 543rwhp. probably a 10 second car if he could get it to hook up.

yea i probelly will go for a corvettei looked at the insurance and it is not that bad 1157 every 6 months thats about 100 more each month then with my saturn. but thats basic but no matter what i get i can only afford basic and hope that i don't get in a accident

yea i probelly will go for a corvettei looked at the insurance and it is not that bad 1157 every 6 months thats about 100 more each month then with my saturn. but thats basic but no matter what i get i can only afford basic and hope that i don't get in a accident
i dont know about liability on a vette dude...thats a very chancy move. go full coverage and get a regular C5. you can get a standard C5 for under $20k.

umm full coverage for my saturn is like 4k every 6 months and i have perfect driving record so far ( only had linsence since feb) even though i a speed like a mf and even a reg c5 for full is like 5+6k every 6 months. ( know which is more expense college or insurance?)

what about the realibity on a 350z or a trans am ws6

umm full coverage for my saturn is like 4k every 6 months and i have perfect driving record so far ( only had linsence since feb) even though i a speed like a mf and even a reg c5 for full is like 5+6k every 6 months. ( know which is more expense college or insurance?)

what about the realibity on a 350z or a trans am ws6

reliability on both are fine and i would expect the 350Z to have a slight edge.

dude...$4k every 6 months with a perfect driving record? wtf...your getting SCREWED royally.

i think being 17 and a single male has to do with it to i tryed to get a ss but it will not load.:banghead:

umm, being 17 and going from a saturn to a vette with very low coverage is just begging for disaster :2cents:....

C5 hands down, best looks, best performance and no contest to the others seriously. If you wanted a super new car I'd say go for the 350Z because it's a good car and it's newer. You seem crossed between american and japanese, why is that?

Wait you're 17??

i don't look at them as import and domestic really i just look at them as a company and be sides if it is used then your money is NOT going to japan.

and besides look at your sig you have a chevy and a nissan umm same thing

i don't look at them as import and domestic really i just look at them as a company and be sides if it is used then your money is NOT going to japan.

and besides look at your sig you have a chevy and a nissan umm same thing

I'm such a hypocrite, but I lean towards the american V8 now, hence why I'm selling the nissan. Thanks for answering my question.

Look everyone! a pure soul!

even if you buy a new import, most are assembled in the u.s. anyways. so your money is still going to americans as well. i dont see what the big deal is both america and japan are very capable of making good cars. neither one makes better cars.

um unquestionably a brand new miata. Lol I cant think of something more desirable.

I mean and get it brand new, do all the synthetic babying and everything

get leather, hard shocks. I mean what really compares? Something that ill last the rest of your life, or some life long headache that youll need to get a garage to tinker with in a corvette.

oh ya and its assembled IN japan. I dont even kno hat youre thinking about, why do you want it assembled in the us? So you can get some of that crappy us iring in it to corrode?

If you want to donate to us workers write them a checfk. dont buy stuff to support them. That makes no sense to me.

the english language...... learn it.

the english language...... learn it.
I typed that with a bad keyboard on a laptop rocket scientist.

Your whole contribution was to post that I made spelling mistakes? I even got an email lol.

What a maroon. Thanks for using the message board.

the W doesnt work rocket scientist. Can you concentrate really hard and figure it out? Ommmmmm.

your post was incoherent and difficult to read without going back over the words. not to mention un-called for opinions about american build quality with nothing to back them up.

btw its moron, moroon is a color.

plus a straight guy with a maita equals :uhoh: :nono: :banghead: :frown:

um the sad part also is that mazda is OWNED by an AMERICAN company.

i would suggest:

sti/evo (if you can find one at that price, if not go for WRX =])
m3
s2000
mk4 supra

your post was incoherent and difficult to read without going back over the words. not to mention un-called for opinions about american build quality with nothing to back them up.

btw its moron, moroon is a color.

lolololol

Go ahead and look up maroon. In general it means something like a guy that lives in a cave in the mountains. A hermit mostly. In english. Learn it.

For data on automobile reliability the gold standard is going to be consumer reports. Do you know anything about vehicle reliability? No? I never would have guessed.
Ok well take a trip to the book store and go to the automobile section. Check out consumer reports guide on new vehicles, old vehicles, and the thick one that shows many years.

Ok heres what you need to look up because its not actually listed in that publication where cars are MADE, just the manufacturer.
Ok heres a good example:
Honda Prelude, Honda accord. Hmmm....
Mazda miata, Mazda 3. Hmmmm.....
infiniti q45, nissan maxima
Is there a pattern here? Its not in the scope of my time to teach you about the car industry. But, even if the engine and transmission are made in japan, many parts of the car still have to be bought from the local market. Things such as wiring, clutch plates wheels etc, it makes no sense to ship those from japan. And heres the REAL difference youre going to see especially if you go to a toyota dealer.

Check out the paint on a scion, cheapie model, and the paint on a corrola. Japanese paint is even way better. The japanese auto industry is more advanced than the american auto industry, all the little parts companies everything, its of higher quality. So a smart consumer would want a made in japan vehicle.

Have you learned anything? I dont have time to teach you everything you dont know about cars. But if you have a question, its time for you to start looking it up.

My most influential teacher in college had a great saying: "Someone who doesnt know is ignorant. Someone who doesnt know and doesnt want to know is an ignoramus. "

plus a straight guy with a maita equals :uhoh: :nono: :banghead: :frown:

um the sad part also is that mazda is OWNED by an AMERICAN company.

Ive never seen a gay guy with a sports car. Thats a stereotype I never heard of. I had heard they liked audis. They like things that look nice, like a bmw.

Yes well thats what Im trying to show you. Some of the models called mazda are entirely made by ford, or partly made by ford. Such as the mazda b4000, mazda mpv etc. those are crappy. a mazda 3 has many parts made by ford euro which is still better than ford us, but not as reliable as mazda.

A mazda miata, rx-8 and older cars like the protege are all made in hiroshima. Entirely different car even though its still called mazda. That is the difference.
Even if this doesnt sink in to you I think it will sink in to someone who wants to understand the auto industry so I didnt waste my time typing it out on this screwed up keyboard.

hopefully you dont get anything to fast, you admitted you speed, this is dangerous

please! be carefull

You're too young. The End.

:iagree:

lolololol

Go ahead and look up maroon. In general it means something like a guy that lives in a cave in the mountains. A hermit mostly. In english. Learn it.

For data on automobile reliability the gold standard is going to be consumer reports. Do you know anything about vehicle reliability? No? I never would have guessed.
Ok well take a trip to the book store and go to the automobile section. Check out consumer reports guide on new vehicles, old vehicles, and the thick one that shows many years.

Ok heres what you need to look up because its not actually listed in that publication where cars are MADE, just the manufacturer.
Ok heres a good example:
Honda Prelude, Honda accord. Hmmm....
Mazda miata, Mazda 3. Hmmmm.....
infiniti q45, nissan maxima
Is there a pattern here? Its not in the scope of my time to teach you about the car industry. But, even if the engine and transmission are made in japan, many parts of the car still have to be bought from the local market. Things such as wiring, clutch plates wheels etc, it makes no sense to ship those from japan. And heres the REAL difference youre going to see especially if you go to a toyota dealer.

Check out the paint on a scion, cheapie model, and the paint on a corrola. Japanese paint is even way better. The japanese auto industry is more advanced than the american auto industry, all the little parts companies everything, its of higher quality. So a smart consumer would want a made in japan vehicle.

Have you learned anything? I dont have time to teach you everything you dont know about cars. But if you have a question, its time for you to start looking it up.

My most influential teacher in college had a great saying: "Someone who doesnt know is ignorant. Someone who doesnt know and doesnt want to know is an ignoramus. "

to be marooned is to be lost. if calling someone a lost person is an insult then whatever.

and saying that mazdas are reliable is totally stupid. look at the mazda rotary engine, definitley not reliable. and look at mitsubishi, one of the most unreliable car makers. i know jap cars are in general more reliable but to say all american cars are unreliable is ignorant.

hey man check this out ok.

Google. maroon. Far out.


Ok well, a mazda made in japan would be significantly more reliable than a mazda made in the us or europe. Im pretty sure I said that, its a great example of this point.

So a mazda protege was made in japan. A mazda 626 was assembled in the us with some japanese parts. Ok hit consumer reports used car data on these models. Honda civic assembled in canada. Honda civic si assembled in japan. It is a direct and logical difference you can look up. Consumer reports data - made in japan - more reliable.

The closest brand that would buck this trend is toyota, its us plants seem to make vehicles close to as reliable as their japanese plants. Not as, but close. Ok camry made in the us, prius made in japan. Camry much less reliable but still excellent... corrolla is the highest rated vehicle assembled in the us, its almost as reliable as the toyota echo. but not quite.

You have noticed that toyota has 2 new brands, they are lexus and scion. Now concentrate, what is different about lexus, scion and toyota? Hmm.... bingo. All scions and all but one lexus are made in japan. Most toyotas are now made in North america. Now why is that? They dont seem to advertise it. Its because the right consumer just knows the difference.

Ok now a ford escort gt uses a mazda engine. Still not reliable. Its not the engine that will cause you problems.

You want a vehicle made in japan if you know anything about it. why do kids pimp the del sol out, but not the civic sedan with a bigger engine? Because they think its going to go the distance. And its assembled in japan.

hey man check this out ok.

Google. maroon. Far out.


Ok well, a mazda made in japan would be significantly more reliable than a mazda made in the us or europe. Im pretty sure I said that, its a great example of this point.

So a mazda protege was made in japan. A mazda 626 was assembled in the us with some japanese parts. Ok hit consumer reports used car data on these models. Honda civic assembled in canada. Honda civic si assembled in japan. It is a direct and logical difference you can look up. Consumer reports data - made in japan - more reliable.

The closest brand that would buck this trend is toyota, its us plants seem to make vehicles close to as reliable as their japanese plants. Not as, but close. Ok camry made in the us, prius made in japan. Camry much less reliable but still excellent... corrolla is the highest rated vehicle assembled in the us, its almost as reliable as the toyota echo. but not quite.

You have noticed that toyota has 2 new brands, they are lexus and scion. Now concentrate, what is different about lexus, scion and toyota? Hmm.... bingo. All scions and all but one lexus are made in japan. Most toyotas are now made in North america. Now why is that? They dont seem to advertise it. Its because the right consumer just knows the difference.

Ok now a ford escort gt uses a mazda engine. Still not reliable. Its not the engine that will cause you problems.

You want a vehicle made in japan if you know anything about it. why do kids pimp the del sol out, but not the civic sedan with a bigger engine? Because they think its going to go the distance. And its assembled in japan.

You are speaking in very general terms. To say a car is reliable is a very general statement. I have a 1987 Ford ranger with well over 200000 miles back home and the only things that have been replaced are the clutch (at about 170000) and one of the cats. It was built in america, and I couldn't think of another word for it other than reliable. I have had friends with honda's that have been in the shop for years, some currently off the road. Those are unreliable cars. Do I say that all Honda's are unreliable? NO, nor do I say that all rangers are. You can't say that a whole make of vehical is reliable because 9 times out of 10 its the consumer that determines the reliability. You are also implying alot of other things that make absolutely no sense. Everyone is entitled to their opinions but that dosn't make them facts.

You are speaking in very general terms. To say a car is reliable is a very general statement. I have a 1987 Ford ranger with well over 200000 miles back home and the only things that have been replaced are the clutch (at about 170000) and one of the cats. It was built in america, and I couldn't think of another word for it other than reliable. I have had friends with honda's that have been in the shop for years, some currently off the road. Those are unreliable cars. Do I say that all Honda's are unreliable? NO, nor do I say that all rangers are. You can't say that a whole make of vehical is reliable because 9 times out of 10 its the consumer that determines the reliability. You are also implying alot of other things that make absolutely no sense. Everyone is entitled to their opinions but that dosn't make them facts.
um Im going to take this at face value and respond to it ok.

Each car is an individual isnt it? With a different owner. Larrys yugo is probably going to live longer than saras corrola because sara is a dimwit.

No one said all cars are reliable. Consumer data would be general. Yes.

Ok dont do it, dont say "well educating myself on consumer data isnt going to help me in life because each car is a different story." Dont cop out, thats what you're going to face in life: " Oh its just so complicated so why know" lol or whatever people like that need to tell themselves.

Here's some consumer data to hook into: as impressive as your ranger is, how many toyota trucks were sold in 87? What percentage of those toyota trucks and rangers are still on the road? Assuming millions sold, lets assume their owners as a whole pretty much maintained them the same. Well the toyota truck was way better built lol. Way more of them are still rolling. Way more of those rangers are in the junkyard. Most of them didnt get past about 125k as a matter of fact. And the ranger is a decent american made truck mind you.

Knowing the toyota truck is a lot better built on the average isnt going to tell you which truck is better if you go on the used market. Youre still going to have to look at the vehicle and perhaps get to know the previous owner some. But its definitely going to help you when you realize youve got a much better shot with a toyota truck. And the thing is, everyone knows this. Its pretty common knowledge cars are built better in japan whoever tries to pretend otherwise has their head up their... I mean has their head in the sand.

In an area of the country where rust beats out transmission failure as far as killing cars, long term reliability isnt as important in the question. I live in california, in say chicago no ones toyota truck reaches 1 million miles because its long since rusted out. So, in that area hey ranger and nissan hard body are almost the same thing.... just more data Im adding to consider.

I have a way better toyota truck story. I used to work for the newspaper and one of the drivers had over 1.3 million miles on his 1980 toyota truck. Basically it ran back and forth around town 8 hours a day for 15 years. Head rebuilt 3 times but still the same engine block.
He got a story written about him in some toyota magazine and toyota painted his truck for free. Theres a whole bunch of them that made 1 million, those first gen 20 r toyota trucks which are like 78 79 80 81.
Are there any stories like this about ford rangers?

http://www.carsurvey.org/viewcomments_review_92771.html

This is just a quick search the first thing that came up on google when I typed in "Ford ranger 1000000 miles" I am sure they are others but I don't think anything is changing your OPINION.

PS3, you get a car yet???

i'm gettig it in a couple of months. right now i have a saturn sl2

If you are more concerned about speed get an Evo or STi for looks get a Solstice (Sweet) if you want the best of both get a mid 90s Supra. 0-60 in 4.7 seconds and it will turn heads for many many years to come :)