For Poops and Giggles, New M3 vs Evo VIII

just for shits and giggles im gonna run this one by you, just a little more evidence to some owners of a "perfomrance and audio" shop.
Ive already looked up time slips and M3's are running low 13's consistantly and Evo VIII's (your base modle in america making high 200 some odd horse power, not the 450hp one) are running mid-low 13's with a GREAT driver that knows how to launch a high powred AWD vehicle. so far the best ive seen from people in the "skill" level of these people (used to driving FWD cars) is low 14's with 2+ sec 60' times :disappoin

Stock M3, the newer ones with 333hp 6-speed, coupe i geuss
and Stock Evo VIII base modle in america.

I'd much rather have an M3, but for the money the EVO is a better performance value, where the M3 is just a better vehicle.

I'm not real sure what kind of answer you're looking for though.

Both vehicles will hit low 13's all day long, the Evo having stronger low-end acceleration and the M3 having stronger top-end acceleration. Handling is debatable, but I'd give it to the Evo, it seems to put up better overall times. The M3 is heavier and more luxurious, so I'm not shocked that the Evo matches it in performance, but yes, the M3 is the better overall car.

actually the Evo is heavier than the M3 ;)

and im spekaing Street racing, drag racing type deal. and acordint to factory specs M3's run to 60 in 5 flat and Evo's in like 5.3. he now also informed me it will wax an STi as well...i think he has an evo fetish and thats all (money is not of essence here)

Here are some Factory Specs to Throw around since 1/4miles times are 100% of driver skill and knowledge.

M3:
-Weight- 3415lbs
-bhp- 333
-Drive Line- 6 speed manual RWD Limited Slip Differential
-0-60- 5sec

EvoVIII:
-Weight- 4222lbs
-bhp- 271
-Drive Line- 5 speed Manual AWD Limited Slip differential (center and rear)
-0-60- Not Avalable From Source

WRX STi:
-Weight- 3262lbs
-bhp- 300bhp
-Drive Line- 6 speed Manual Limited Slip Differential (Front, Center, and Rear...meaning all 4 tires have to brake traction)
-0-60- Not avalable from source

*source- edmunds.com

According to Mitsu's site the Evo VIII weighs 3263lbs.

surprisingly, the M3's 60' time isnt far behind the Evo's...i geuss that is that Limited slip at work with some stickey rubber. so far the only unmodded proof of a slip that i can find online is a 14.39 but that is a with a 2.3sec 60' so you figure they can put down 1.8's that is around 13.4 1/4 theoredically... and asumeing driver error for not being the best shifter in the world (since he doesnt know how to launch an AWD) lets say 13.3 best... have a slip of a stock M3 running a 13.12... 0.2sec is at least a few car lengths when you get into the 100's ;-)

he also informed me that htey are running mid 14.s i think he is thinking of either the BMW 3 series or the Z3....both of which are no where near an M3 or Evo...

C&D numbers for the Evo VIII and the E46 M3

Evo VIII MR- 0-60 in 4.8; 0-100 in 12.6; 0-130 in 25; 1/4 mile in 13.6; rolling start (5-60) in 6.3

BMW E46 M3- 0-60 in 4.5; 0-100 in 11.2; 0-130 in 20.1; 1/4 mile in 13.1; rolling start (5-60) in 5.2

The Evo is a MR edition, w/ 276 hp, 286 lb-ft, and a 6 speed
The M3 is a 6-sp manual, with options that make the car weigh 3,500+ lbs

For a $30,000 car ($36k for the MR), the Evo is a very solid sports car. Its generally considered to be a great buy for auto enthusiasts. It also has the advantage of being turbocharged, and therefore has the potential for much more power then its putting out stock. The M3 is a very different car. The N/A S54 engine is alot better at getting power when you need it then the Evo's. The M3 is stronger, and has a better power to weight ratio. This is just performance we are talking about though, I will only briefly mention how vastly superior BMW 3-series interior is compared to the Evo's.

The Evo is a joy on the track, but doesn't have the road manners of the M3.

M3 for just a better overall package

EVOVIII's supossed to be a ton of fun when you really want to fly, but it doesn't have the manners when you don't...Its just too much of a go cart for those long trips or slow drives...makes me wonder why they don't make a factory boost controller so you could just drop the boost when you don't need it

Racing I think id give the M3 a slight advantage for its top end power, but basically everything else (minus price) clearly goes to the M3...

thanks guys, when i get home from work ill print this out and give some more proof that an Evo will not walk all over an M3 like he thinks. IMO 30k for a new Evo vs 35-40k for a used M3 (2003ish) the M3 is a far better deal. and cars like the M3 are thoes which are consantly geting repo'd and confiscated by police because either people 1.) think they can aford them and cant, or 2.) can afford them being a street pharmasist and get caught...there for their car gets impounded and they are in jail so they cant get it out. so it gets sold at auction.

Comparing new vs. used is a bad idea, because it's just not really fair. Brand new, you'd be hard-pressed to find an E46 M3 for less than $55,000; the new Evolution MR goes for $35,000. So, it's $20,000 cheaper, and it offers very comparable straight-line performance (and in my opinion, better handling). You can argue that the M3 is a much more civilized, much more luxurious car all day, but the fact remains that the Evolution is a far better performance buy.

i never said to take price into account in the performance aspect, if yo uare looking for a gokart to run kids with on weekends...by all emans pick up an Evo...if you want the sheer sexiness of a finley tuned German engineered naturally asperated inline six with the luxury compareable to bently or rolls royce... BMW M3 / M3 all the way ;)

oh an i was just syaing, yo ucan find a good condition, low mileage M3 for the price of an evo... i wasnt compareing them really...

And you can find a good condition, low mileage Evo 8 for the price of a standard WRX. I don't see where you're going with this. And what do you mean, don't take price into account? Do you expect everyone to just suck the M3's dick and proclaim it as the greatest car ever made, ignoring all negatives? Yes, it's an overall better package than the Evo, but you have to pay for it, bottom line. You can have your "finely-tuned German car" when my "go-kart for kids" smokes you at the track for half the price.

I like both cars! But I like the E46 just a tad more....well ok, maybe a little more than a just a tad. It is true that an Evo is a performance value compared to an M3, and it would win in that perspective, but I gotta give the M3 the overall better car award in this comparo.

Now if we go M3 vs. Evo 8 in an overall performance perspective......well honestly you got me :dunno: . I'm sure each car is better suited in different scenarios. I would say in a 1/4mi, best out of 10, M3. On a track, 50/50. Picking up girls, best out of 10.... :lol: . Thats right you know the M3 has that in the bag :p

just for shits and giggles im gonna run this one by you, just a little more evidence to some owners of a "perfomrance and audio" shop.
Ive already looked up time slips and M3's are running low 13's consistantly and Evo VIII's (your base modle in america making high 200 some odd horse power, not the 450hp one) are running mid-low 13's with a GREAT driver that knows how to launch a high powred AWD vehicle. so far the best ive seen from people in the "skill" level of these people (used to driving FWD cars) is low 14's with 2+ sec 60' times :disappoin

Stock M3, the newer ones with 333hp 6-speed, coupe i geuss
and Stock Evo VIII base modle in america.

The 333 hp one isn't the new m3. The REAL new m3 is gonna have a v8 and will royally whoop ass on the evo viii.

And you can find a good condition, low mileage Evo 8 for the price of a standard WRX. I don't see where you're going with this. And what do you mean, don't take price into account? Do you expect everyone to just suck the M3's dick and proclaim it as the greatest car ever made, ignoring all negatives? Yes, it's an overall better package than the Evo, but you have to pay for it, bottom line. You can have your "finely-tuned German car" when my "go-kart for kids" smokes you at the track for half the price.

little defensive are we??? he didn't ask you to suck the M3's "dick"...he wanted a comparison between performance. price was brought about when he simply stated that a used BMW M3 is a better performance deal than a brand new EVO. he didnt ask for a comparison in price...he just stated his opinion.

anyways, the BMW M3 is a much better car but it better be for an extra $20k. It offers a little better straight line performance but in the turns, i think the EVO's AWD will allow it push it harder but out of the corner is where the M3's power band will show its true colors. I'd say they would be pretty even around the track...even enough to be classified as a driver's race.

my opinion is that if your price range is around $35k...get the used BMW over the brand new EVO.

the STI was mentioned before...i would like to clarify that the EVO will not embarass the STI either. another comparison which has been discussed many of times...it comes down to a driver's race.

And you can find a good condition, low mileage Evo 8 for the price of a standard WRX. I don't see where you're going with this. And what do you mean, don't take price into account? Do you expect everyone to just suck the M3's dick and proclaim it as the greatest car ever made, ignoring all negatives? Yes, it's an overall better package than the Evo, but you have to pay for it, bottom line. You can have your "finely-tuned German car" when my "go-kart for kids" smokes you at the track for half the price.


if you want to talk about sheap performance vs. price a 3rd generation RX-7 Twin Turbo can be had for mid teens... and a little 2000 some odd very well andleing RWD RX-7 with mid 200's in HP just shy of what the heavier Evo is putting to the ground... price per perfomance the RX-7 wins.
as laready stated it was my opinion as to which car to get, just like its my opinion that if you have the money for a new M3 you could possibly step up to a used/repo'd porsche 911 turbo...and wax an evo all day long in style and class and give the M3 a run for its money...
but i love porsche's, i like BMW's, BMW and Mercedes are European legends... the racing legend of Enzo Ferrari or (insert 1st name here) Lamborghini (the tractor man and i think i screwed that one royally) with the luxuy of Bently or Rolls Royce or Maybach (so screwed agian). And it is my opinion that because the europeans have been building cars for FAR longer than Americans or Asians they have the experence factor, they git into their finley tuned naturally asperated engines like they get into soccer. when they where setting world speed records of like 70mph the Japanies and Chinees where still taxing with man operated carts... yes they can build cars but for some reason they still think that an engine's life begins at 4000RPM... :headshake

and i had to write all that just because i wanted a sheer perfomance comparison between an Evo VIII and an M3...

let me reiderate that I KNOW THE EVO IS THE BETTER PEFOMANCE VALUE but i asked for sheer straightline perfomrance,
plus the EVO rides like a gokart and personally i dont like how AWD's handle...they dont have the understeer of a FWD but they simply cant match the feel of being pushed around the corner :smooch:
where you are more worried about over steer and kicking the rear end out then hitting hte opposite barier if you give the corner too much throttle.
Ive driven a few neutrally ballenced RWD vehicles including an S13 (240SX), S2000 (old 2l engine), and 2nd Generateon RX-7 (coupe turbo) and compared to that STi i drove (not actualy an STi, base WRX with suspension ,STi differentials and more power through modifiactions than a stock STi) they where a dream, at high speeds in corners if you loose your line you just have to add some throttle if you being to oversteer (small skidds) a slight reduction of throttle snaps you back into line...FWDs you have to hit the brakes and turn the wheel further (loosing speed in the corner) and AWD's i could just never get down, the 1st corenr i tried i thought (AWD it will stick to the road like glue and i jsut have to throttle of a bit and steer) WRONG...

ok anyway i went way off topic.

M3 > Evo....

I'd cut my arm off and beat myself with it before I ever bought a Mitsubishi. Automatic win to the M3, even if it were M3 vs STi, I'd still go for the M3.


PS. Evo VIII is last weeks new, it's all about the Evo IX now.

^^lol^^

i hate bmws not that they are bad cars i just dont like them, dont think they look that great. of course i dont like the evo that much either but considering it way cheaper, better looking to me, and almost as good performance(can be easily modded way past the bmw), ill have to say evo.