sr20det powered 240sx vs. camaro z28

which one is goin to have better perfermance...straight line, top end, acceleration, handlin, all of it..... which one would be more reliable b/c it will have to be a daily driver....how is gas milage on the sr20det swap in a 240 adn teh camaro....basically i want to kno wchih one would make a better car overall

what kind of SR20 is it? what kind/year of Z28 are you talking about?

LS1 6m is going to be hard to beat.

straightline- camaro
topend- camaro
handling- nissan
daily driver- IMO camaro
gas mileage- i would think the nissan would be a littler better, but the camaro gets pretty good mileage
overall- camaro

srry forgot details....2000 camaro z28....1992ish 240sx w sr20det from s14...

well it all depends on if you plan on leaving both cars completley stock or if your going to try to do something with them. People don't but the sr20det for the 240 to try to hop in the local drag race...

Yes these are strong powerful popular engines but really they are just a swap that is a cheap direct clip for the 240. The 240sx is actually a better drift car rather than dragging. The sr20det is well capable of 400rwhp with stock internals. You take that into a light car that is rear-wheel drive you'll definitley smoke the camaro. However the stock Z28 will not be able to lose to a stock sr20det just because of the fact that the sr20det isn't close to its max. People take the 240 and upgrade it because its cheap and not hard to fix. Nissan made the engines to be light but strong enough to pull its weight well. But this is a hard comparison because the two cars are in no way close in class wieght or size. You buy bigger cars for different reasons... I'm going to concur with Illegal_Eagle187 because of the fact that your comparing a bone stock s14 to a Z28 comaro

*but as an overall car the comaro over the 240? No... :sly:

is that a bad thing that i picked the camaro z28 over the nissan ? for me thats what i would pick

"but as an overall car the comaro over the 240? No... "

Why? Sure they are in different classes but the camaro will put a solid beating (in every category other than fuel consumption) on that 240 even with just the motor swap. Theres going to have to be a lot of improvements just to match that Z28. I have driven a 98z28 and I have had my ass handed to me by it before. Those cars are not to be taken lightly.

yeah...

there is no doubt that the LS1 camaro would totally embarass a stock SR20DET in a 240sx. turns, straights, anywhere...

that SR20DET would have to be modified to keep pace with a high 12 second car.

i would take the camaro over the 240sx also, unless i wanted to get into the new drifting fad in the US but i dont. if it was my only car i would take the camaro because it is more powerful in stock form (just imaging building it a little), it is goign to be much more reliable, you wont have to source a JDM parts dealer to find replacement parts if something does happen to break, etc.

you guys always talk about "oh if you do ____ to the 240 it would own the camaro at ___" i got news: you can modify the camaro too :smile: camaros handle VERY well, especially given the size and weight. with a few simple suspension modifications it can handle comparably well to a 240. and those LS1s really like mods to the engine. they are expensive to mod but imho it would be worth it. if you still want something a bit importish, you can bolt on an STS Turbo system for something like $5000-6000 after all the bells and whistles are bought and installed(im guessing high, i believe the base kit itself is about $3900).

with a few simple suspension modifications it can handle comparably well to a 240.

i think the LS1 camaros will well out-handle a 240sx in stock form and even if the 240sx has been modified.

its a rather good handling car...far better than one would expect.

i think the LS1 camaros will well out-handle a 240sx in stock form and even if the 240sx has been modified.

its a rather good handling car...far better than one would expect.


honestly i think the same thing, i just didn't want to step on anyones toes. these forum people are touchy :smile:

honestly i think the same thing, i just didn't want to step on anyones toes. these forum people are touchy :smile:

i have noticed this myself...

i try very hard to not state anything without the intent to back up my thoughts if someone feels differently. just makes for a good argument...i guess. seems some people defend a car no matter how out-performed it is...

I have been preaching the Z28's excellent handling for a long time on here, and I have no doubt that it would outhandle any Silvia stock-versus-stock. It has a wider stance, bigger wheels, and a better racing suspension. The Silvia is easier to turn and drift around with, but the Z28 just has a lot more raw grip.

but the Z28 just has a lot more raw grip.

to handle the raw power :iceslolan

err, i want to add something....

do keep in mind these JDM engine are either from a wrack (good news for u, most of the time it mean the car was pretty new so the insurence cover a new car, so the car went stright to dump)

Or....

these are car that are soo worthless that they will make more money in part form. mostly these mean car with at least 100,000Km. and keep in mind this is Japan not the US. in Japan car ain't kept in garage and they have typhoon, rainny season and mountain road. so most of the time these engine are pretty dead.

A lot of the engines coming out of Japan are actually in pretty good condition, though. People tend to scrap cars into parts pretty early over there, because as a vehicle gets older, it gets a lot more taxes placed upon it.

That is true. they have vehical check every year for car above 5 years (or 3 i am not sure) after 10 years is every 6 month. now if the car are in good condition then it will pass no problem or with minor and cheap service to do so. these that don't pass and get scrap can tell u something.

Id definately suggest the Camaro...as others have said stock for stock the camaro and 240 aren't in the same league... Plus the camaro can be modded, but its so fast straight line stock that you really don't even need to...plus at least in Canada Camaro's are relatively cheap...

err, i want to add something....

do keep in mind these JDM engine are either from a wrack (good news for u, most of the time it mean the car was pretty new so the insurence cover a new car, so the car went stright to dump)

Or....

these are car that are soo worthless that they will make more money in part form. mostly these mean car with at least 100,000Km. and keep in mind this is Japan not the US. in Japan car ain't kept in garage and they have typhoon, rainny season and mountain road. so most of the time these engine are pretty dead.

i can kinda vouch for this....

i bought a JDM motor for my car...the motor was cleaner then could be. i took the upper plenum off, dried gunky oil plastered against the walls. this could only mean one thing....

took the stock downpipes off....turbos both ceased. took them off and both had blown oil seals...amazingly the housing wasnt cracked on either one but the owner did not take care of this car at all and the turbs were fried.
that set my project back quite a bit..:(

now that i have a TT motor...i will never buy another motor or part from Japan again. too many motor beings shipped over for them all to be in good condition. i talked to a guy in Chicago that deals with JDM motors and he says about 25% of the motors have virtually no damage and just need to replace a few cheap parts. the other 75% usually have a major difficulty with them that will need alot more money spent on it.

certainly a usdm 240 with just an sr20det swap would get beat in EVERY performance category when compared to the z28. However (and I'm asking this as a question) would an s13 s14 s15 )(the actual jdm silvia) be a better comparison.

I would thiink so at the least in handling when comparing the two. Possible even 1/4 mile what do these three gen 240sx's run in the quarter?

I bring this up because I figure the 240sx w/ sr20det discussion is pretty one sided although I'd expect an sr20det swap out of the newer s15's would atleast give the maro' a run in the quarter? or not?

straightline- camaro
topend- camaro
handling- nissan
daily driver- IMO camaro
gas mileage- i would think the nissan would be a littler better, but the camaro gets pretty good mileage
overall- camaro

Right on the money... :sunglasse

the S13 and S14 silvia's were mid 14 second cars, the S15 were high 13 second cars. the S15 would be a drivers race with a LT1 but would still lose to a LS1.

I have to give it to the camaro on this one, modded and stock. After driving my freinds 00 Camaro SS(havent drivin an ls1 z28 so I dont know how they compare) I was suprised that it didnt feel like cow like every riceboy would proclaim it did.
I believe a fellow forum member by the name of layla's keeper went into detail explaining the 240sx handling and brought up the camaro(albet 3rd gen camaro though..).. I'll see if I cant find it real quick..
*combination of a few different posts of his from the same topic/thread.
However, the S13 does have a critical weakness in its front suspension design. There's a lot of travel in the front suspension because of pick-up points and control arms designed more with a comfortable ride than true sporting potential in mind. As such, the S13 has a lot of roll at the nose and not much at the tail, leading to some pretty piggish understeer when pushed.
The 240SX wasn't any better. Lots of plowing understeer that surprisingly could be cured by moderate trail-braking. Trail-braking is a damned FF technique. I shouldn't need to be pitching the car on its nose every time I run a corner to get it to rotate off the center. A good handling car will take a set in a corner and roll back evenly from the front to the back, smoothly without drama or difficulty. At most, a little countering at the exit to walk the car away from the apex is acceptable.
And, in reality, neither is a particularly good handling car at the price. AE86's have practically no lateral grip, and S13's plow like Sister Sara's mule. A 3rd generation Camaro actually posts better numbers and has better handling characteristics than either car (don't believe me? look at the American Sedan class in the SCCA) thanks to a low-slung wide chassis and a very well done unequal length A-arm front suspension.
nbw, curing the 240SX really depends on what you're going to do with the car. A pure track 240SX can live with the high spring rates and stiff dampers that would potentially cure the problem, however, this equals a car that's very hard to read and is easily upset by berms, curbs, or mid-corner bumps (for evidence, consider the final corner at Sebring). For a more pure solution, many 240SX drivers in top level classes have gone to fully replacing the front suspension (as per SCCA GT3 and GT2 rules) with double wishbone or unequal length A-arm setups as part of a pure tube chassis

I lived in Japan for 3 years, owned a Silvia for about a year, owned a Camaro stateside, and I can tell you the Camaro is MUCH more powerful. The Silvia is a very good handling car and is lighter than the camaro but not enough lighter to even come close to the difference in horsepower. When it comes to 1/4 mile times, they are a little misleading because the Japanese cars are geared so much shorter than American cars because you spend so much less time at highway speed over there. My Silvia would role down the Tomeii at about 3700rpm and my Skyline would turn about 4000rpm at highway speed (my ears would be ringing after a drive to Tokyo). This makes those quarter mile times a little tougher to directly compare to American cars.