Quality 6.5", need help.

One of my 10 year old infinity 6.5" door speakers is blown to hell and the other is on its way there. I'd like to replace them and not spend a huge ammount yet get good quality sound from whatever I decide to go with. I'd like some reccomendations, I'm looking to spend 75-150 for them (give or take, if you have a great sugestion outside of that range please fell free). I don't know that much about audio but I like brands like Infinity, JL, and JBL but again I don't know too much. I will probably upgrade my aging infinity 6x9" rear speakers and 2.5" infinty tweets in the near future too, dunno if that would affect the decision on the 6.5s. Ohh also I'll be using the stock infinity amp and head unit. Thanks guys.

One of my 10 year old infinity 6.5" door speakers is blown to hell and the other is on its way there. I'd like to replace them and not spend a huge ammount yet get good quality sound from whatever I decide to go with. I'd like some reccomendations, I'm looking to spend 75-150 for them (give or take, if you have a great sugestion outside of that range please fell free). I don't know that much about audio but I like brands like Infinity, JL, and JBL but again I don't know too much. I will probably upgrade my aging infinity 6x9" rear speakers and 2.5" infinty tweets in the near future too, dunno if that would affect the decision on the 6.5s. Ohh also I'll be using the stock infinity amp and head unit. Thanks guys.

Well, if you're only going to use the stock amplifier and not buy an aftermarket amplifier, then...check out come CDT cl6-x coaxial speakers. Send Don an message, AIM: djdilliodon
OR
islandsound1@yahoo.com

He's an authorized dealer for CDT, sells new with full warranty for great prices! I put a set of those same speakers in my girls jeep grand cherokee on a stock infinity amp temporarily...they were a great replacement and only $45 shipped. peace

NG

Well how much more would a cheep amp be for my speakers? Would it be worth it to get a new "cheep" one? I listen to the radio and my CD changer every time I'm in my car (now mostly because my rear turbo has a leaky gasket and is kinda annoying withought the music to drown it out lol).

A "cheap" amp for $150 wouldnt even make a difference if u have a fairly new head unit since the new head units push out about 200 RMS while a cheap amp would push out about 250 Peak, huge difference. Stick with the Infinity brand speakers, they are the best for that price range compared to kenwood, eclipse, sony, and jl.

Its the stock infinity headunit, I realy like the double din layout and the graphic equalizer. I've been looking for specs on the stock amp and headunit but can't find any.

tried googling it? See if anything comes up. Good to know so u know where to build up your system. But yeah, if u actually wanted to hear the biggest difference then u should buy a good amp, about $300, and buy speakers, about $200, and it will sound way better, like day and night, than if u just bought $500 speakers.

Yea googled it for half an hour! I went to 3SI and searched the audio board and found it in 2 minutes lol, apparently the amp alone is "32W/Speaker x 6", still searching on the head unit though.

If thats the case, Im not sure if u could, but u might be able to bridge the 3 & 4 channels, and 5 & 6 channels to produce more for the rear speakers and still only put out 32 per speaker for the front two. Once again, Im not sure. U have to ask an installer about that one because of the Ohms and if its even possible. If it is that wouldnt be so bad.

My tweets are totaly blown and removed by the way. Very hard to find new 2.5" tweets.

Nothing else to do but buy new speakers and hope that u find some 3" tweets and a good installer that will cut and sand really good to make them fit. Good luck with that project.

Yea, with the tweets I think I'll just get some 3" ones and dremel out the holes in the dash a bit.

I'm leaning towards the Infinity 6.5s but I can't decide wheather to go with the reference or kappa series and whats better, component or X-way speakers? Again, I'm gonna use the stock amp and headunit so if the kappas are gonna be overkill just say so lol.

U have a 4-runner though man, so u might need the Kappa's and plus it would be better to already be prepared for the next upgrade then to have to upgrade the speakers as well later.

Not sure what is meant by x-way, there are only components or coaxial as far as speakers. And then there are 2 or 3 way speakers for either components or coaxial. The components are the best though butcost more too, as u already know.

umm...no...

Don't listen to the other noob, knows nothing about QUALITY car audio products...

So, if you have around $200...you can get a great set of COMPONENTS (not coaxials, these are a separate midbass, tweeter, xover) and a good amplifier to power them.

Talk to don like i said, ask for the CDT cl-61 components. Then look into a Profile CL400 amplifier, new on ebay or from Ikesound.com or thezeb.com

Total, it'll be $200 for good components and an amp to power them...it'll be a night and day difference. Also, the stock infinity amp is dinky...it's proly 32w PEAK and like 16w rms to each speaker...no better than a generic HU.

peace

NG

Oppse, I forgot to update my car info, my main car now is my new VR4.

Ngsm13, I've never heard of the speaker/amp combo your sugesting and like I said I know nothing about audio so it seems sketchy to me unlike the infinity kappas.

Oppse, I forgot to update my car info, my main car now is my new VR4.

Ngsm13, I've never heard of the speaker/amp combo your sugesting and like I said I know nothing about audio so it seems sketchy to me unlike the infinity kappas.

Well, it's feels weird saying this...but Car Audio IS my LIFE, and it has been for the past 2.5 years...been into it serious for about 3.5 years. The CDT's will outperform the Infinities in EVERY ASPECT...and the amp suggested will give the needed power within your budget. My buddy has the same amp and it's been going strong for 1.5years absolutely no problems...

The soul reason i'm on this board is to help others with caraudio, and keep them on the correct path. If i notice something some1 else suggests in the same budget that is better, I'll admit that. Stick with my suggestion, components and an amp for $200 can't be beat. peace

NG

HAHA, DO NOT LISTEN TO THAT 240sx guy, hes an IDIOT. Listen to NGSM, he knows what he's talking about...and those brands he listed, well, CDT makes pretty much the best damn component speakers available. And Profile amps are great for the money. That setup would slaughter anything Infinity....slaughter.

......
So, if you have around $200...you can get a great set of COMPONENTS (not coaxials, these are a separate midbass, tweeter, xover) and a good amplifier to power them........

Total, it'll be $200 for good components and an amp to power them...it'll be a night and day difference. Also, the stock infinity amp is dinky...it's proly 32w PEAK and like 16w rms to each speaker...no better than a generic HU.

peace

NG
Nope. The older DCX Infinity system is only 9watts RMS per channel and 18 watts peak. So, hooking up ANY decent componet set is a waste. The stock unit is so sloppy when playing music. It distorts so bad that it's a wonder that he got 10 years out of them.

There's no way in hell that he can get a nice set of componets and amp for $200. My "decent" set with amp would be about $500. Then again, it's a waste because you have to deal with the OEM stereo.

My suggestion would be just to replace the speakers with nice sets of Coax style speakers. You'll have to bypass the amps on the old OEM speakers which is real easy.

If you want Pioneer stuff(at least it is better than what you've got) go to Ebay and do an advanced search for selzitall. He's real honest and usually you can pick up a nice Pioneer set for 1/3 the cost. Most of his stuff is either new or new returns but he checks out all of it. I've bought TONS off of him.

BTW, CDT is a great product but I just don't recomend it for this application. :2cents:

Lol ok a any more opinions? This is why I don't venture in here very much, people have so many differing opinions on what is best for other people, I just want somthing good quality for the money. I could spend maybe 250 tops on the amp and 6.5"s, the rest of my money is for performance stuff.

So whats wrong with the CDT stuff for what I want? The amp sounds like a good deal, but I dunno how good it would be for only that much, I thought non-Crappy amps were very expensive.

Remember people, I'm looking for refined quality with respectable power... like if we were talking about cars I'd want a porsche, not a top fuel dragster.

Lol ok a any more opinions? This is why I don't venture in here very much, people have so many differing opinions on what is best for other people, I just want somthing good quality for the money. I could spend maybe 250 tops on the amp and 6.5"s, the rest of my money is for performance stuff.

So whats wrong with the CDT stuff for what I want? The amp sounds like a good deal, but I dunno how good it would be for only that much, I thought non-Crappy amps were very expensive.

Remember people, I'm looking for refined quality with respectable power... like if we were talking about cars I'd want a porsche, not a top fuel dragster.
Yes well, you are still bound by your OEM stereo. To me, it would be a waste of money to install anything over $100-$150 if it has to be ran from your stock radio. First thing I did when I brought home my Liberty was yank the Infinity system and sell it on Ebay. The Jeep had 12 miles on it when I did that. :iceslolan Just the stereo swap alone was a big plus.

Are the aftermarket headunits that good? I like the double din layout but it seems rare, how much would I have to spend to get somthing a good step up from stock?

If you are looking into a GREAT set of componets look at RE audio RE componets. It is amazing what mine are doing on the factory head unit right now. and from what i can gether it is 25w peak and a measly 10w RMS but one day i will break out hte multi meter and find out for sure. I cant wait to get the full 50w to each side or even 100w eventually on the midbass.
These componets are HARD to beat for the money. XBL^2 enabled and extremely underrated. i know of people putting 300w to each side with the midbass. the reason they are rated to 50w is because of the Xover and tweeter. so if yo uever want to go active it can handle it (in an enclosure. IB it doesnt need near that to reach the limits of its suspension).

However,
The tweets are harsh, so unless you like extremely non colored and very prevelant highs they either need to be aimed away (no on axis listening) or need to be EQed.

CDT is a wonderful componet company and Crystal audio isnt bad either. JL audio's componets are nice, but their midbass's sometimes add too much of their own perspective (color the music) in some cases.

if you really want to step up into some serious Midbass look at RE's XXX 6.5's or Adire's Kodas. These are all well above what you are thinking of but if you ever want to upgrade power wise they can always handle it and will just get even more great.

look in my thread
"bow before thy mater, bitches" to see my current IB install of my RE componet sets on facotry head unit. they are giving 1000% better than stock.

wait untill SR20 sees this or PM if he doesnt. out of the more knowing in this board he is the Mid/High Guru.
as for the 240sx guy....ptshhh.... CDT pwnzzzz the BS he spews....

PS
sorry for the spelling :lol2:

Ok so how much are the RE components? I can't seem to find AMYTHING on the speakers your talking about.

Nope. The older DCX Infinity system is only 9watts RMS per channel and 18 watts peak. So, hooking up ANY decent componet set is a waste. The stock unit is so sloppy when playing music. It distorts so bad that it's a wonder that he got 10 years out of them.

There's no way in hell that he can get a nice set of componets and amp for $200. My "decent" set with amp would be about $500. Then again, it's a waste because you have to deal with the OEM stereo.

My suggestion would be just to replace the speakers with nice sets of Coax style speakers. You'll have to bypass the amps on the old OEM speakers which is real easy.

If you want Pioneer stuff(at least it is better than what you've got) go to Ebay and do an advanced search for selzitall. He's real honest and usually you can pick up a nice Pioneer set for 1/3 the cost. Most of his stuff is either new or new returns but he checks out all of it. I've bought TONS off of him.

BTW, CDT is a great product but I just don't recomend it for this application. :2cents:

The CDT cl-61's are a great set of components for around $125 or so. They were the first component set I owned...and are great for the price. The Profile CL400 can be had for around $75 or less. It gives you 100 rms x 2 to the components. There you go...$200 and a good component set AND amplifier to power them.

It's even EASIER to run components if you have a stock amplifier, the wiring is already there. I used a multimeter set to tone to trace the wires from the stock speakers to which ones they were on the stock amp...then I hooked up the correct wire to the crossover and the aftermarket amplifier.

If you want REAL audio advice, come over to www.caraudio.com my name is the same on their...and there's PLENTY of people that can help and point you in the correct direction! Believe me...

NG

call RE for direct pricing. if you where looking for them about a month ago (like me) yo ucould have been a part of RE/soundillusion group buy and gotten them for $130 mid-high 100's is where they may be at, but im not sure.
just call or E-mail REaudio
www.REaudio.com

call RE for direct pricing. if you where looking for them about a month ago (like me) yo ucould have been a part of RE/soundillusion group buy and gotten them for $130

What was the point of saying that?

What was the point of saying that?

There's really no point in him ever talking ;)...

NG

I'm really getting tired of you.
I was just letting him know of the kind of deals that go on on the internet. he asked how much they where. prices can vary and everyonce and a while you can find a good deal.

I'm really getting tired of you.
I was just letting him know of the kind of deals that go on on the internet. he asked how much they where. prices can vary and everyonce and a while you can find a good deal.

Cool.




NG

Yea I did ask and I'm liking the RE the best right now. So if I decided to get the profile amp would I only be able to run the 6.5s on it? If I'm going to buy and amp I'd like it to work for the 6.5s and 6x9s and have enough power for everything.

Also why the CL61s and not the CL62s?

And a noob question... Whats a crossover for?

a crossover is there so it passes the right frequencies to the right speakers

dont listen to the 240 guy

i dont know any head units that make 200rms, most barely make 25rms

anyways i REALLY suggest u go find djdilliodon, he sells cdt speakers at really good prices

also i would suggest the cl62 because its one beefy driver for 05, it handles 180rms now which is great

im also with ngsm, for the past 1.5 years, my life has been car audio haha, its sad but true, now im getting out because the deeper u go, the more u want to spend on better products/companies that u learn about, but i'll still help out here n there

Ok, I'm down to the RE or the CL61-2, tell me what you think of both of them (and your bias, eg owning one or the other etc). Also tell me what the pros and cons are of going with either setup (eg price, power handling, etc).

Also, will I want to get an amp? What should I get? I don't think I'll need too much more power than the stock amp provides.

Ok, I'm down to the RE or the CL61-2, tell me what you think of both of them (and your bias, eg owning one or the other etc). Also tell me what the pros and cons are of going with either setup (eg price, power handling, etc).

Also, will I want to get an amp? What should I get? I don't think I'll need too much more power than the stock amp provides.

If you're getting components, you must get an amplifier. In all honesty, the inexpensive way out is: CDT cl-61 components, CDT cl-6x coaxials (for rear replacement), Profile CL400 (amplifier for front components)

The front CL-61 components will be power by the Profile CL400 amp that is 100 watts rms x2. The xover, as stated, filters the frequencies to the appropriate driver. The xover also accepts the power from the amplifier. The CDT cl-6x coaxials will be a good replacement for your stock rear speakers, excellent for rear fill, and can run off the stock amp.

That's the inexpensive way to go. I doubt the cl-62's would fit in your doors...they're real deep. If you want to shell out a lil more, replace the CL-61's with the RE Components. peace

NG

i just put new sony 6.5" in the rear of my Aspire, with no separate amp, the mids/highs really kill my ears cause they bounce off the window by my head, but i like it loud so i can hear the bass. i don't have subs yet but am going to get some this summer when i get the money.

It just seems wierd to me to get an amp for just two regular speakers, what are options for a 4 chanel amp in my price range? Ohh and this may not happen for another month, I just bought a new Y pipe and found out that I owed the bank $100 so I gotta get some more money lol.

Are the aftermarket headunits that good? I like the double din layout but it seems rare, how much would I have to spend to get somthing a good step up from stock?
It's not that they are THAT good but THAT much better than OEM. This is especially true when adding better speakers and such. I sell the cheapest Pioneer installed for car dealerships for only $125 installed. They always are suprised how much better that "cheap" stereo sounds over the $500+ OEM unit.

There are some DIN 1/2 units out there still. I think Pioneer is one of the only half decent makers that still make them. The others are cheapos like Jensen and such.

1/2 din? I want double din lol... allthogh a place to put my sunglasses would be nice.. Who are good makers of headunits, like the top 5 or so that you can't realy go wrong with?

Sory for all the questions, just trying to get a crash course in whats what and who's who in the audio world.

Eclipse and Alpine make good head units. then you have your really high end companies that hard on SQ compeditors use that cost like $1000 for a basic unit because they have 0.001% THD and dont clip even at extremely high volumes and have nothing but RCA outs.
so...stick with Eclipse and High end Alpine...

oh an no problem about the questions, we all started learning somewhere. at least you arent doing like i did at first (and still do now sometimes) and act like i know it all...
:cough: Germanyt :cough:

I'm rather conservative in what I say I know about.

I'm rather conservative in what I say I know about.
No problem. you said double din? Your OEM stereo should be 1.5DIN. Most aftermarkets are 1/2 DIN. Most GM and Chryslers are 1.5DIN. Some foreign cars are double DIN or they have a 1/2 DIN radio with a full sized 1/2DIN pocket.

For most, the higher end Pioneer/JVC units work. There's a guy on Ebay that sells Pioneer stuff real cheap. Look for "selzitall" on there. He's always got radios on there. If you want something over $400 then that's when I'd go to Ecplipse. Alpines, although getting better, still lag in performance per dollar. Plus, their layout leave a little to be desired to me anyway.

This is what my stock head unit looks like, double din for shure.
http://i13.ebayimg.com/02/i/03/a5/57/2d_12_sb.JPG
Would I be able to keep my 10 disc changer and steering wheel controlls if I went with another headunit?

im double DIN in my truck :mad:

Whats the angry face for? So can aftermarket HUs use the stock changer or controlls?

It just seems wierd to me to get an amp for just two regular speakers, what are options for a 4 chanel amp in my price range? Ohh and this may not happen for another month, I just bought a new Y pipe and found out that I owed the bank $100 so I gotta get some more money lol.

They aren't just regular speakers.
They're a GREAT component set for the money. They give you a 6.5 mid-range driver, tweeters, and crossovers. With these type of speakers, a measly 10watts isn't gonna do it. The Profile CL400 amplifier will give each side 100 watts RMS :) The difference in sound will be night and day! The clearness, coverage of frequencies, and NON-distortion will be a huge step up for you. peace

NG

my accord has the double DIN too .... I have something in mind for it

Poncho ...... a 1/2 DIN would be 1" tall by 7" wide - the standard aftermarket CD player is a single DIN size (2" X 7")

and yes, car stereo can be a VERY expensive hobby. Even a modest system with quality componenets can run over $2000

Ok I get that the amp is good for the two speakers, but why not get one that will power the rear 6x9s also? What would be a deecent amp for that? Remember I'm no audiophile, I just want great sound quality and moderate amplatude.

because usually you'll want to hear your "front stage" or your front speakers over the rear speakers

i know that the idea of getting an amp for your speakers sounds rediculous, but think about this, your head unit (yes even the stock one) has an internal amp, all your doing is buying an external amp that puts out about 5-6 times more power, and also less distortion, the power also adds alot of midbass believe it or not

also the top 5 hu makers?? not sure about the top 5 but here are my 5 choices

alpine
eclipse
pioneer
clarion

then the last one would be a tossup between sony/kenwood/panasonic/jvc hah

Mcintosh...
kills all of thoes sept for eclipse and high end alpine...

Mcintosh...
kills all of thoes sept for eclipse and high end alpine...

u can throw in the alpine f#1 status, the clarion DRZ9255, eclipse cd8455, and the pioneer premier DEX-P9, nakamichi cd700II, the denon z1, r1, and it would be pretty interesting

also clarion and mcintosh have the same parent company im sure they tried to even it out lol

my accord has the double DIN too .... I have something in mind for it

Poncho ...... a 1/2 DIN would be 1" tall by 7" wide - the standard aftermarket CD player is a single DIN size (2" X 7")

and yes, car stereo can be a VERY expensive hobby. Even a modest system with quality componenets can run over $2000
Yep, I'm glad you caught that! :banghead:

Ok, well if I get an amp, I'd like it to power all 4 main speakers. What would be good for that? Remember I don't need too much power, just a bit more than the stock amp provides.

Where should I get the amp and maybe even the speakers hooked up? I don't trust myself with electronics. I just broke the audio jack on my laptop by shocking it once to much lol.

i dont like 2 DIN.... the are no in the middle HU's for it. and the kits to put 1din or 1/2din in usually look gay and leave an open space. From the little it of research ive dont there are crappy 2 DIN HU and then there $1000 2DIN hu's. but if im wrong feel free to correct me. Im just looking for a 2DIN that puts out a clean RCA signal...any more would jsut be some nice extra's not must haves...

Ughh why does everyone ignore my questions lol. And yea, double din is very underrepresented, I hate how cramped single din units are.

Ughh why does everyone ignore my questions lol. And yea, double din is very underrepresented, I hate how cramped single din units are.

As stated before, you do not want to pull you imaging towards the rear. A good sound stage is set in front of you, and if you get a 4channel amp...you'll either be underpowering the fronts or overpowering the rears. So, as I stated before stick with a 2channel amp for the components up front and power the CDT cl-6x coaxials for the rear off the stock amplifier (i.e. straight up replace the stock speakers). peace

NG

As stated before, you do not want to pull you imaging towards the rear. A good sound stage is set in front of you, and if you get a 4channel amp...you'll either be underpowering the fronts or overpowering the rears. So, as I stated before stick with a 2channel amp for the components up front and power the CDT cl-6x coaxials for the rear off the stock amplifier (i.e. straight up replace the stock speakers). peace

NG
Ditto! Gotta think. When you are at a concert do you turn around so the music is blairing from behind you? So why would you want it to sound that way in your car? Really, the only time I amp the rears is if I have a seriously bassy system or if I am messing with 5.1 surround.

Ditto! Gotta think. When you are at a concert do you turn around so the music is blairing from behind you? So why would you want it to sound that way in your car? Really, the only time I amp the rears is if I have a seriously bassy system or if I am messing with 5.1 surround.

Yessir, we agree! Finally...i knew it would happen eventually ;)

NG

Hrrm, interesting, so I would keep the stock amp and it would only run the 6x9s? So what amp would you suggest for just the RE or CL components? Where would I get it all hooked up (since I don't trust myeself with wiring and such).

Hrrm, interesting, so I would keep the stock amp and it would only run the 6x9s? So what amp would you suggest for just the RE or CL components? Where would I get it all hooked up (since I don't trust myeself with wiring and such).

Buhh...in your words, "Does any1 read what I say..." ;) or something of that sort :)

As stated before, check out a Profile CL400 for either set of components. They can be had new at an ebay store, www.thezeb.com , or www.ikesound.com

And as far as the rear speakers, as stated before...use CDT cl-6x coaxials to replace you stock rear speakers, run them off the stock amplifier. As far as hooking up the amplifier, we can walk you through everything you need to to step by step if need be. I'm also available on AIM: ngbd13

NG