Drift with stock ka24de? possible

hey. I"m curious.. how much harder would it b to drift a 96 240 with the stock ka.. prolly just intake, exhaust, and minor suspension mods.. i know the sr20 woudl rock, but can u get ur'e fingers wet in drifting with the ka. thanks,s teve

It's not about the engine, it's about the suspension, sure it's nice to have a good engin, but you can definately "get your fingers wet" with any engine, as long as you have a good suspension setup.

I'm wondering the same, with an auto, how hard it would be to slide around. I am getting spl tension rods, tein tie rods, and a kazama front lower support bar put in. It already has D2 coilovers, and front+rear strut bars. It's an auto though, with open diff.

damn.. that's more than enuff to drift. Stock KA will give you plenty of power to get a few small ones going. Practice in the rain first... it'll give you a feel of losing rear traction via powerover.

If you still can't get it to slide just find an empty parking lot with PLENTY (i stress.. plenty) of space and take it slow to 2nd gear (25-30 mph). After that just slightly turn right and then rapidly turn back to the left... kick the clutch in and pull the e-brake. Once it starts sliding replace the e-brake and let go of the clutch. also, at the same time start countersteering (i'm assuming u have powersteering since it's a s14) so it won't be hard to do so. Also practice left turns first because 1) u can see the corner if u oversteer... 2) you can steer with ur left and use the handbrake w/ ur right...

anyway, don't punch the gas either.. that will jus result in a spin out. Whatever u do gradually open/close the accelerator.. it'll help you with smoother exit / traction regains.

About the whole auto thing? it would be easier with the sequential but it's possible. i've riden in a protege 5 auto that can do some mean 90 degree turns.

i'm not really into drifting but i thought you just turned outside then quickly in and gunned it.. man i might have some shit to learn before i tear apart my old tires..

its all suspension and lsd. if you have open diff. you will probably only be able to drift in the rain like me...all you have to do is approach the corner at around 45 mph in 3rd gear, turn in, downshift into 2nd, little/medium/big throttle blips and control the steering. if its wet out you will slide like crazy. its all in the steering and throttle control, but this will really only work in the rain. i guess if you did enough mods to a normally aspirated KA it might be possible to do better but i think a turbo will really get you there better

hey, Do any 96 240's come with lsd as an option or something... if not, whats the best route to get a lsd for the best price.

yeah, i think the se models come with a lsd, and this topic seems to be popular, you could get a lsd off a j30 and a 300zx (Z32) that can also fit with minor mods. Heres the link: www.ka24developments.com. Tells you everything u need to know.
I got an lsd from a z32 but have to plan a date to instal it. Its not that expensive, it cost me $50 at the junkyard.

I have an automatic in my car and its possible to drift its not easy but if you leave it in first its ok. but then agian I have an LSD so it makes it a lil easier, But im in the process of doing a manual swap I dunno if you read the threads about it GSR2NR94 posted it..

its all suspension and lsd. if you have open diff. you will probably only be able to drift in the rain like me.

I have an open diff on my 240 and i have no problems drifting...it is much harder than if you have a good lsd though...if you can drift decent with an open diff..than you should be considerably better with the lsd...and actaully a good way to start to learn to drift is find a nice open area...and just practice really wide donuts...if you look at my vid i posted awhile ago...thats pretty much what im talking about...practice that and maybe some larger figure 8's to get use to the weight transfer and you'll be fine...weight transfer from one drift to another is one of the hardest things to get use to and learn...and drifting in an auto sucks but can be done..just less control over the drift (limited drifting)

i dunno man i really cant keep it going sideways that long on dry pavement. and this is at like 40+ mph. i mean it gets sideways but it just wants to straighten itself out. in the rain its a big long nice slide. maybe just not enough HP to keep it going i dunno i thought it was most likely the open diff.

i actually have some vid of my car drifting but its in .mov, so it only works on window media player 10...if anyone has that...then i guess i can send it...becuase i have nowhere to host it...unless someone wants to host it somewhere.

Nope impossible. I tried drifting with my stock KA and the floorboard fell out, the welds on my intake blew, and I fried my piston rings.

Do some reading on drifting techniques. I'm not even a drifter but I know that using engine power to drift is not the best way. I usually do a weight transfer to initiate a drift. There is a name for it and rally drivers use it a lot. Some kind of flick.... And I believe its a name of a country too.

well you need engine power to keep the drift going. well im talking about like a show type drift where you are going for a long time. you use inertia drift to start it but you need to keep the burnout going so you need HP.

IDK about anyone else, but it was very rare that I ever used mroe than 60-70%throttle.

well you have a turbo lol. i don't.

yea drifting with the ka24de is not hard i do every once in awhile this morning i did it going in 2 the freeway but i didnt know it rain in the night the floor was wet so when i accelerated into the left turn for the freeway i lost it for half a sec. but i do it with both the weight transaction and with the e-brake this one i only do when i am going for a 90* angle(* means degree lol) but also when im just having fun but rule #1 dont drift when its packed in the streets.

also forgot 2 add i drive and A/T but i do the shifts manually dont ask about this theres a thread in here somewhere. just recently.

losing it for half a second is NOT drifting. im talking about a big extended slide where you are already sideways coming into the corner and you continue it through the corner and for maybe another 5+ seconds after it. not just getting skirty around a corner, i can do that with any car ever.

haha... that's a good point. I'd call it drifting once u can make a big U-turn or a hairpin sliding it from entrance to exit. So basically, staying sideways until you are facing the direction u came from...

not losing traction for a split second and then regaining it ... after you've hit the apex of the turn.

I've done that in my Topaz.

I have an open diff on my 240 and i have no problems drifting...

uuhhh.... sure like a left turn power slid thing... thats not Drifting!

u neeeeeeed LSD, with it u can CNTRL the CAR and how much SLIDE u want...

-with open diff u can TOSS the car around and Drift but u neeed allot of speed to make the back slide out to make a Right hand drift.
-with a left hand drift u can controll the ass of the car with the gas pedal (the most ideal way to drift)


anyways , get LSD and the car will teach u everything...

I meant before I turboed. I haven't even tried with the turbo.

but doesn't that contradict the fact that you said you CAN'T drift with a stock ka?

You can't. Its impossible.:rolleyes:

WHAT?!! who the hell said u can't drift with stock KA?! BS!! all u need is LSD, hell 3 of the people i know with S13 have KA and they drift fine!
Turbo is whatever when it comes to drifting!

"sad!"

So after I get done explaining what the differeces/pros and cons of stand-alones, ECU tunes, SAFCs, FMUs, what is needed to turbo your KA, closed loop and open loop operating parameters of the ECU, what size turbo you need, numerous installs, what the pros and cons are of using high octane vs low octane, how to wipe your ass with fishnet and not get shit on your hand, you're gonna act like I'm completely unaware that it is possible to drift a KA stock? mmmmkkaay:rolleyes:

I should really stop using sarcasm as it is the least amusing form of humor. I aplologize.

this has turned into a great thread. lol

sr20, rb, turbo isn't required to drift. That's the whole other spectrum of the 240. You definitely know your stuff about drag, speed, and power... but drifting is more conceptual/skill/an-art rather than just going faster with brute power. As long as one practices i think it's very possible to achieve pretty decent drifts with a ka + lsd. Suspension and car weight distribution... plus stiffness and balance... sort of a different approach... which makes the 240 an Awesome machine!! lolz

I actually drifted a turn and had it in full countersteer but when I tried to straighten it out I fish tailed and spun out. It was dry out and my 240 is completely stock. I entered the corner in the top of 2nd and doubleclutched and floored it. It was a kick ass drift until I lost it and all the people at the stop light got a perfect view of me screwing up.

So after I get done explaining what the differeces/pros and cons of stand-alones, ECU tunes, SAFCs, FMUs, what is needed to turbo your KA, closed loop and open loop operating parameters of the ECU, what size turbo you need, numerous installs, what the pros and cons are of using high octane vs low octane, how to wipe your ass with fishnet and not get shit on your hand, you're gonna act like I'm completely unaware that it is possible to drift a KA stock? mmmmkkaay:rolleyes:

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LOL! nissanfanatic! i know u have plenty of knowledge I was just making a statement about Drifting W/KA, I have to say that many times I read thing u posted that I never knew about… your knowledge is plentiful, and definitely you would already know about drifting KA’s.
I was just making a point for an argument, not mocking your words specifically.
I owe you that much, bcus u helped me when I had Q myself…

Its cool. I would also like to apologize if I sounded like a dick. Well I am a dick.:lol2: Anyways, sorry man.

Awww, I love you guys. See, this is why it works. ;)