Would you own....GTO, WS6?

What car would you rather own. Not sure which one is faster either, but in my opinion, a WS6 looks way better.

The WS-6 for a couple reasons. First one is the LS2 is a new engine and the quirks may not be worked out of it. The WS-6 is a proven engine, trannys, chassis, suspension and the quirks would be worked out of it. I like the looks better of the WS-6. I am a big fan of the GM F-Body cars. I prefer the last of the Camaros but the WS-6 would be fine.

Supposedly the GTO is 400HP/400TQ and 0-60 in 4.7 seconds...

But if it's pure speed...then the WS6...

If it's best all arounder...I think maybe you gotta give it to the GTO for being able to more comfortable...not that you really look 4 that in a 2+2 sports car but eh...

WS6. I love the F-Body's chassis and suspension design, and the LS1 is a rock solid motor. Plus, the 4th gen. Firebird is one of the best looking cars to ever come out of Detroit.

No doubt the WS6 all the way. It looks sooooooooooooooo much more aggressive than the GTO and well lets face it, the GTO is just a Holden GTS coupe (an australian car by the way :grinyes: ), even the engine specs are almost the same. Plus if i was gonna buy a GTO i'd want it to be something that is pure American muscle not a borrowed design. Meh, thats my view anyway.

WS6 all the way, in a few years, it will be my next vehicle, I love GM F-Bodies, and the WS6, is the sexiest looking car in it's class.

I'd only take the GTO for it's Interior, or if I was older.

why did they ever stop making the camaros, birds and trans ams anyway?

My uncle has a 98 WS6 super fast, even though its an AT, and I like it way more than the new GTO.

The 700R4/4L60E that GM puts in the F-Bodies are tough trannies. Just add a cooler, servoes, springs, shift kit, and some other goodies you have great tranny for putting power to the ground. Also the autos run a faster 1/4 mile time and are more consistent then the manual transmissions.

why did they ever stop making the camaros, birds and trans ams anyway?

GM was selling the V6 Camaro/Firebirds at about a ratio of 3:1, compared to the flagship Z28 Camaro/ Trans AM Firebird, GM built MORE Z28/T/A's then V6's, and the Z28/T/A's werent selling. GM was just losing money..

(I didnt mention the SS/WS6 because they were built by an "independant" company)

WS6. I love the F-Body's chassis and suspension design, and the LS1 is a rock solid motor. Plus, the 4th gen. Firebird is one of the best looking cars to ever come out of Detroit.
The LS1 and LS1 based engines had CSK issues but ones that weren't effected too badly or at all are great engines.

why did they ever stop making the camaros, birds and trans ams anyway?

Money. Plain and simple. Its the same reason they nixed the B-body. Some would debate that it was a poor decision, but I would call it hasty. They could have easily stretched them out a few more years, but the fact is, very little had changed in the F- and B-body lines for thirty years on the fundamental level. Leave 'em wanting more was their philosophy and it worked pretty well.

To answer the question, I would go WS6. The same or more car for less money.

Isn't true that they can never use the Camaro/Firebird name anymore, under some Canadian ruling?

So if they ever build it again they can't use the Camaro name, right?

I'm splitting from the majority and going for the GTO. The LS2 is an evolution of the LS1 and hence is better, that's reason #1. I'm guessing that the Firebird uses the awful-to-use Tremec T56 as well.

Secondly the assembly quality/quality of materials used in the GTO makes the WS6 look like a Yugo by comparison.

The GTO is also more comfortable, has a usable backseat and big boot (Hence is practical).

The handling is a lottery. While the F Body has a theoretically superior Front suspension (Double Wishbone over the GTO's Mac Struts), the GTO can counter with a Semi-trailing arm rear end, as opposed to the crude Live rear axle of the F Body and it certainly is better to drive than an F Body, though can be a bastard with understeer when it wants to be.

Styling? I'll choose the GTO's clean lines over the Firebird which seems to have spoilers and bodykits going everywhere, which spoilt a rather clean design.

I'm splitting from the majority and going for the GTO. The LS2 is an evolution of the LS1 and hence is better, that's reason #1. I'm guessing that the Firebird uses the awful-to-use Tremec T56 as well.

Secondly the assembly quality/quality of materials used in the GTO makes the WS6 look like a Yugo by comparison.

The GTO is also more comfortable, has a usable backseat and big boot (Hence is practical).

The handling is a lottery. While the F Body has a theoretically superior Front suspension (Double Wishbone over the GTO's Mac Struts), the GTO can counter with a Semi-trailing arm rear end, as opposed to the crude Live rear axle of the F Body and it certainly is better to drive than an F Body, though can be a bastard with understeer when it wants to be.

Styling? I'll choose the GTO's clean lines over the Firebird which seems to have spoilers and bodykits going everywhere, which spoilt a rather clean design.
It may be an evolution but it is still a new engine and vehicle that may have problems. I'd wait another year or two before buying anything powered by the LS2 or LS2 based engine.

Well, you just said "GTO" so when it comes down to it I'd much rather have a GTO Judge over a WS6.
Remember, you didn't say which GTO, so I'm picking The Judge.
If you're meaning the 2005 then I'll probably go with the WS6.

black WS6 6spd...Mm. The only bad things are the 10 bolt rearend, the cheap interior and the passenger side floor hump. :( GTOs are ugly, heavy, slow, did I mention ugly? :(

um....since when are the GTO's slow

um....since when are the GTO's slow
They never were, it's ludicrous to even think of the car as slow, especially since it's only a whisker slower than most F Bodies.

wait, wait, wait...we're talking about the NEW GTO right?

We indeed are. Whether it's a 2004 or 2005 being compared is another question......

I'll take the 2005 LS2 GTO please - over a brand new 2002 top of the line 345hp SLP WS-6 (or even Firehawk - same shit). As much as I hate the fact the GTO looks like a bloody Cavalier from the side (and an older GTP from the front), its still a wicked car with a now totally bad ass 400hp six-point-OH! Plus, I simply love the interior and the massive front seats. Thats one beef I had with the later style LS1 Trans Am seats after GM dipped into the spare parts bin and started using those crappy Grand Prix perfo-stich leather seats with the stupid ass hollow square headrests (I've had 2 GTP's with those seats so when I saw them in the T/A's for the first time it really turned me off).

Besides, if I ever go for an LS1 its going to be a C5 project.

GTO for me. i like them both but like Jimster said, the WS6 was overstyled. the GTO is a sheek pallate (sp?) and if i chose to, an aggressive kit on a GTO will look better than a WS6 to me since its so contrasted with the natural lines. interior wise is no contest, GTO. the WS6 was the top trim but give them time to perfect the chasis/suspension on the GTO and we may see a better version. thats like comparing a LS1 camaro (WS6) to a GT Stang' (GTO) instead of Cobra.

I lost respect for the new GTO when I saw the autos running 14s and the manuals doing high 13s. Not to mention it doesn't look like much at all. I barely even notice them.

not everyone gets a car to be noticed and as far as times go, im a pretty good driver and hardly ever go off of numbers published by mags/manufacturers, even when they say its a professional driver. ive seen stock cars shave almost a second off from "professionals".

The GTO is also more comfortable, has a usable backseat and big boot (Hence is practical).

I agree that the GTO is more comfortable, better interior quality, and has better ride characteristics. But as far as handling goes the Trans Am (WS-6) is a better performance car. When you say "boot", I'm assuming you mean the trunk. The american version of the Holden has less room in the trunk than my storage compartment in my hatch. They had to move the fuel tank to meet american safety standards so the trunk is 1/3 the original size.

When my TA dies or when I decide to put it in storage, I'll be getting a new GTO with the LS2 and the T-56 transmission.

But as far as handling goes the Trans Am (WS-6) is a better performance car.

show me a guy who bought a F-body for handling, and he gets a cookie and a shot.

show me a guy who bought a F-body for handling, and he gets a cookie and a shot.

HAHAHA, as much as I love them, I have to agree with this guy. But I heard that those 1LE F-Body's handle pretty superb. Dont know how they stack up with other late 90's-00's sports cars though.

The base V8 F-Body's were always mid-.80g cars, and the heavily optioned (SLP, 1LE etc...) versions were up around .90g cars. There's nothing wrong with that. Might not be up with the leading new cars of today but in the grand scheme of things they're better than alot of the other so called "sports cars" out there.

Now give me my cookie bitch(es)! :p :iceslolan :naughty:

I would buy an F-Body for the handling. Get a V6 model with the performance/handling package and put the money you saved on the V8 model into the suspension.

The WORST reason for considering an F-Body is!!!!.......


I would buy an F-Body for the handling. Get a V6 model with the performance/handling package and put the money you saved on the V8 model into the suspension.


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AGREE'D

a v6 f-body = not the best decision to make

I would buy an F-Body for the handling. Get a V6 model with the performance/handling package and put the money you saved on the V8 model into the suspension.

Y87 - Performance Enhancement - 3800GT Package
Includes G80, J65, QCB

G80 - Axle, Limited Slip Auburn upgraded to 98+ Torsen-Zexel

J65 - Brake System, Power, Front and Rear Disc

QCB - Tire, P235/55R16 Touring (98+ replaced with P245/50ZR16 and GMPP Firebird GT wheels)

Not much of a handling package in my opinion be better of with a Formula Firebird.

Well, I know that the 93-97 V8 F-Bodies are some of the best road racing cars you can buy for under $10,000; what's the difference between them and the V6 models, besides the obvious difference in power and transmission?

Well, I know that the 93-97 V8 F-Bodies are some of the best road racing cars you can buy for under $10,000; what's the difference between them and the V6 models, besides the obvious difference in power and transmission?
That's because you live in North America, where the choice of fast and cheap cars is limited, it's like saying (Insert crap TV show here) is the best thing on TV when other Networks are showing (Insert even worse TV shows here).

Over here (New Zealand) US$10,000 could get me:
-A JDM DC2 Integra Type R
-Honda Civic SiR (Whether it be EF9, EG6 or the EK model)
-A Peugeot 205 GTi 1.9 (Twice or three times over)
-An FD3S (Or older) Mazda RX7 Twin Turbo
-A Toyota MR2 GTS
-A BMW 325i Motorsport (E30)
-Come to think of it, it could be possible to find a 328i for that price (In E36 form)
-A Nissan S14 Silvia K's
-A Mitsubishi Lancer GSR Evolution (The original)
-A Subaru Impreza STi (Earlier model, probably a Version 3)
-A Toyota Altezza RS200 (Though $10k is sort of pushing it)
-Mazda MX5 makes a good case for itself, just not stock.
-An Audi Quattro GT Sport (Could almost buy an Audi S2....)
-Toyota Celica ST205 GT4
-An early (98ish) Alfa Romeo 156 V6

And the list goes on........ Point is there are far better track cars to be had than an F Body for the same price, the only problem is that they're either non-compliable in the US or fanboys have hiked up the prices. Oh well.


And yes, to answer the thread starter, I'd take a GTO over an F Body in a heartbeat, just make it a Monaro, which has been de-scooped (Nicer front, RHD, give it the GTO's exhaust note, though). I'd much sooner have a luxury coupe over a muscle car attempting to be sporty. LS2 > LS1 as well.

I'd take a Camaro over any of those cars. You can get a F body w/ the LT-1 for around 5k now.

I'd take a Camaro over any of those cars. You can get a F body w/ the LT-1 for around 5k now.
Sure, that's personal preference, but there's no denying that they are actually better cars for a road course about 80% of them were designed for that exact purpose.

yeah thats a good point...I'd prolly say the camaro is the fastest car available for 5 grand...but this is about road racing...5 grand sub-14 sec car with 1,000 in suspension mods....that would be an awesome road racing car...how many hairpins are you taking with integra type r's when racing? not many...

It's a good point, but I really think the Camaro Z28 could compete with most of those cars quite well; it's a very underrated and misunderstood car when it comes to road racing performance.

F-bodies are overachievers in the handling department, they may not be the best road racers but they are by no means the worst, they are better handlers than people give them credit for. On a side note the 3800 Camaros are very capable cars, and IMO one of the most underrated cars on the road.

F-bodies are overachievers in the handling department, they may not be the best road racers but they are by no means the worst, they are better handlers than people give them credit for. On a side note the 3800 Camaros are very capable cars, and IMO one of the most underrated cars on the road.

could not have been said better.

...what's the difference between them and the V6 models, besides the obvious difference in power and transmission?


Springs, shocks, sway bars, tires

Don't get me wrong though if a V-6 car set up right it could out handle the V-8 car due to the fact you have better weight distribution.

Springs, shocks, sway bars, tires

Don't get me wrong though if a V-6 car set up right it could out handle the V-8 car due to the fact you have better weight distribution.

Agreed...