69 Camaro SS vs.67 stingray fuel injection

hey guys....what car u think would run better in the 1/4?..Thanks men

the 69 camaro with the 427 ZL1, it would win by about .6 seconds
thats what i think

If memory serves me correct the 327 fuel injected engine was dropped in 65'. The 327 carbed versions of the time were more reliable and just as powerful, while costing about $500 less. That and the introduction of the 396 long block in 65' made the fulie even more unjustifiable.

But I would still agree with vr4 on this that the ZL1 would make away with this match.

On second note:

Wheres the L-88! Thats what I wanna see. Some humor: When the 67' Stingray was offered with the L-88 it came with a warning label saying:

Vehicle must operate on fuel having a minimum of 103 research octane and 95 motor octane or engine damage may result.

Now thats what you called an engine tuned with performance in mind!

The 69 Camaro SS didn't come with a ZL-1, the only way to get the ZL-1 on a 69 Camaro was to get COPO (central office porduction order) Camaro, or get a Yenko or Berger car. There is no 67 fuel injected Corvette and I believe that all of the 427 Corvettes would beat the 396 SS, the L36 had 390bhp, the L68 had 400bhp, the L71 had 435bhp, and the L88 was rated at 430bhp, but dyno testing has proven the motor to produce well over 500bhp. The L78 and L89 Camaros both made 375bhp, but the difference is the L89 had aluminum heads. So the winner is going to be the 67 427 powered Corvettes.

I'd guess Corvette just on principle alone, I can't see Chevy designing a Camaro that was faster than the Corvette in the quarter mile.

maybe your right, but i got my info from this.
so if indeed your right, and the maro did not come with the ZL1
then yes the corvette 427 is the winner.

i'm not much of a muscle car guy, so thanks on the info.......if indeed correct

50 FASTEST MUSCLECARS
# YEAR/MODEL ET/MPH ENGINE HP TRANS GEAR SOURCE
1 1966 427 Cobra 12.20@118 427 8V 425 4-Speed 3.54 CC 11/65
2 1966 Corvette 427 12.8@112 L72 427 425 4-Speed 3.36 CD 11/65
3 1969 Road Runner 12.91@111.8 440 Six BBL 390 4-Speed 4.10 SS 6/69
4 1970 Hemi Cuda 13.10@107.12 426 Hemi 425 4-Speed 3.54 CC 11/69
5 1970 Chevelle SS454 13.12@107.01 454 LS6 450 4-Speed 3.55 CC 11/69
6 1969 Camaro 13.16@110.21 427 ZL1 430 4-Speed 4.10 HC 6/69
7 1968 Corvette 13.30@108 427 6V 435 4-Speed 3.70 HC 5/68
8 1970 Road Runner 13.34@107.5 426 Hemi 425 automatic 4.10 SS 12/69
9 1970 Buick GS Stage I 13.38@105.5 455 Stage I 360 automatic 3.64 MT 1/70
10 1968 Corvette 427 13.41@109.5 L72 427 425 4-Speed 3.55 CD 6/68
11 1969 Charger 500 13.48@109 426 Hemi 425 4-Speed 4.10 HR 2/69
12 1968 Charger 13.50@105 426 Hemi 425 automatic 3.23 CD 11/67
12 1970 Plymouth Superbird 13.50@105 426 Hemi 425 ? ? ?
14 1968 Road Runner 13.54@105.1 426 Hemi 425 automatic 3.55 CD 1/69
15 1973 Trans Am 13.54@104.29 455 SD 310 automatic 3.42 HR 6/73
16 1969 Corvette 13.56@111.1 427 L88 430 automatic 3.36 HR 4/69
17 1969 Super Bee 13.56@105.6 440 Six Pack 390 automatic 4.10 HR 8/69
18 1969 Boss 429 Mustang 13.60@106 Boss 429 375 4-Speed 3.91 HC 9/69
19 1970 Challenger R/T 13.62@104.3 440 Six Pack 390 automatic 3.23 CC 11/69
20 1970 Torino Cobra 13.63@105.9 429 SCJ 370 automatic 3.91 SS 3/70
21 1968 Biscayne 13.65@105 427 L72 425 4-Speed 4.56 SS 4/68
22 1964 Polara 500 13.70@107.37 426 4V 365 4-Speed 3.23 HC 2/64
23 1969 GTX 13.70@102.8 440 4V 375 automatic 4.10 MT 1/69
24 1969 Dart 440 13.71@105 440 4V 375 automatic 3.55 CC 5/69
25 1971 Road Runner 13.71@101.2 440 Six BBL 390 automatic 4.10 CC 1/71
26 1971 Cuda 13.72@106 440 Six BBL 390 automatic 4.10 SS 4/71
27 1971 Corvette 13.72@102.04 454 LS6 450 4-Speed 3.36 CL 8/71
28 1971 Super Bee 13.73@104 426 Hemi 425 automatic 4.10 MT 12/70
29 1968 Hurst/Olds 13.77@103.91 455 W-30 390 automatic 3.91 SS 8/68
30 1970 Hemi 'Cuda 13.78@101.2 426 Hemi 425 automatic 4.10 MT 9/69
31 1968 Firebird 13.79@106 400 HO 335 4-Speed N/A HR 3/68
32 1967 Corvette 13.80@108 427 6V 435 4-Speed 3.55 HR 5/67

A 1969 Camaro could be ordered with a ZL-1 but it had to be a COPO car, they were not regular production Camaros and there were only 69 made. There were no Camaro Super Sports (SS) made with the ZL-1.

The ZL-1 powerplant was an all aluminum 427 race motor that found its way into 2 Corvettes, 11 Chevelles, and 69 Camaros. It was a hyper expensive option that cost more than the car itself and you had to go through miles of red tape to get it.

The "regular" 427's were iron block, and some (like the L88 option) had aluminum heads. On the SS Camaro in 1969, the biggest engine you could get was a 396, but some of the dealerships special ordered iron 427's which produced the COPO cars, in particular the Yenkos, Danas, Baldwin-Motions, and Bergers.

The ZL-1 powerplant was an all aluminum 427 race motor that found its way into 2 Corvettes, 11 Chevelles, and 69 Camaros.

I don't know about that. :confused:

Yes, there were COPO and ZL-1 Chevelles. They've been difficult to document (especially considering they were built off of the lower cost 2 door sedan model, recognizable by its roof pillars) but they are out there.

There are also about 35 surviving 1969 Yenko 427 Chevelles. As the Chevelles didn't have the popularity of the Camaros, they've fallen by the wayside and have only recently begun to resurface. Unfortunately, without good documentation it's difficult to establish the clones from the survivors.

Of equally fun note is the rarely mentioned but hellaciously quick Baldwin-Motion Phase III 1973 Chevelle which dumped the smog-strangled 454 for an L88 spec 427!

http://www.budgetperformance.com/articles/chevelle_history/73_bmchevelle.jpg

I'd be interested to learn more about these ZL1 chevelles, I've never heard anything about them. If you want to check out a badass L72 (also a 427) car, check out the '69 Yenko 427 Nova. It's one of my personal favorites. Also, did you know GM made three fastback novas in '63?

http://www.thetechzone.com/photo/data//503/620563_nova_fastback.jpg?9914

Always neat to see the mutations that came out of the Chevy back door like that fastback Chevy II, even though it looks so much like an AMC Marlin. :wink:

GM tried out so much stuff in the 60's that it's hard to keep track. I mean, you could write one helluva book based on the compacts from 1961 to 1964. Unibody coupes and sedans with aluminum 215ci V8's and rear mounted transmission/transaxle assemblies that were offered with available turbochargers?!?!?!? And of course Chevy couldn't just follow BOP, they needed an air cooled flat-six powered rear engined coupe/sedan/convertible/station wagon/truck/van!

It almost makes the Nova seem disappointing when you think about how adventurous GM was in those days.

Hey, do you have a link or something about those ZL-1 chevelles? Where did you hear about them?

???

I've searched around the web, and no links unfortunately. I'd read about the ZL1 Chevelles in a Muscle Car Review article about "The Other COPO's". Wish the magazine was still in print.