What Is The Best Car For A Beginner??

get a wrx

How about a Toyota Supra SZ-R 3Litre Non-Turbo ?
They look sporty as you suggested and go pretty good

Also my first car was a Galant GSR and i can say from experience that the GSR lineup of cars are a perfect choice for a first, though not that good in the 'sporty looks' department, they go fairly great.

But if you 100% want a 4-Door then i guess a WRX or an Evo would be for you.

n/a supra isn't a bad idea either

i'm 16, and my yearly income is $150,000. i work for my father, and i get a BIG "allowance". i fill a gas tank with pocket change. i could put new tires every month if i wanted too. but i'm only buying a $30,000 sporty car at the most.

yeah just buy an WRX...please. because its not as fast or as the EVO but still fast. a lot better for a beginner. then when your tired of that or you know what your doing after a vew months, you have the money to just sell it and buy whatever you could possibly want.

WRX or Evo!

i'm 16, and my yearly income is $150,000. i work for my father, and i get a BIG "allowance".

Dear Lord!!! 150k! And you are only 16...wow. Impressive

i would never get the EVO for his level of experience.

for people who have actually driven an EVO. the car follows every imperfection of the road on the highway. you gotta always keep the wheel straight and tight. every little movement of your arm translates to a lane change.

the throttle is also super sensitive. cruise at 80 and tap down the throttle to 20% and he turbo will spool up to 19 psi of boost.

this car is very very very hard to drive slow. i've know a guy with a friend who just started driving and bought a EVO, and when someone short stopped, his reaction time was soo slow the Brembo Brakes couldn't even help him, he swerves to the right as a last resort but forgot about the super low ratio steering rack and the from a small jerk the car spun out and hit a divider.

people like me and my other friend ( who owns another EVO that can actually drive ) can drive an evo one handed no problem because we got atleast 50K miles of driving experience under our belt. also its hard to not burn clutch on the EVO from a stop becasue of the nature of the AWD. he will definitly burn out his clutch in months.

bottom line, i let beginners drive my turbo 240sx. its really a easy car to drive. however me like my friend would never EVER let a beginner touch the EVO becasue it really requires quit a bit of skills to drive. it took my friend a few days of driving just to get adjusted tot he super sharp steering. and he came from a FWD v-tec 200hp Prelude before that.

i would get the WRX. much much more friendlier car.

I REPEAT DO NOT GET THE EVO, YOU WILL ONLY WRECK THE CAR. I GARANTEE IT.

My friend bought a Lancer Evo as his first car, and he had no problems driving it; we did 100+ on the highway regularly. But yeah, those clutches are really weak, so you have to be careful taking off. I agree about it being really hard to drive at slow speeds; I can be cruising along at about 20% throttle, and as soon as I hit 3500 rpm, the car all of a sudden wants to go flying; it's scary.

Yeah the WRX is fast when you need it to be, but it's suprisingly very friendly to light throttle.

Does anyone have any info regarding WRX's as far as mods and performance times? Reviews from magazines? It's arguably the best speed/handling car in its price range, being the same price as the RSX Type S but having 227 HP, AWD. My friend is looking into either a WRX or a used S2000.

buy a wrx and mod it once you feel comfortable

EVO or WRX it is. and that's my "pocket change", you don't want to know what's in the bank... put it this way, I could buy a Labo, Maybach, Bently, and a Royce, butt, i'm saving, i'm going to Rice for college, and i'm not a "nerd", my dad is the "nerd". thanks for the help.

TLC or discovery channel did a 5 best rally cars and the EVO came 4th and one of the biggest reasons was that its so difficult to drive slow because of the turbo lag and how at around 3500rpm it just roars to life...


wrx........non sti

Wrx man its agreat first car
-awd
-stock turbo
-215hp
-insurance is good for a four door
-lots of goods

Well it sounds a little over-braggy if you ask me, but I won't get into that flame war.

It just seems weird, "I can aford a Labo(Instead of Lambo, which is what you probably intended to say) Rolls Royce, etc, but I can't afford to do research on these cars". It'd be different if your question was very specific, but it sounds like you don't really know what you want.

anyway, good luck with the purchase and I hope you mod it nicely. Try to get a 2002 WRX, those had the best wheel horsepower and imo look better :D

There was a kid at my school that had an STi and he had it for one day and recked it.

I thought this earlier, but I didn't say anything until now...does anyone else get the sense that this kid is lying about how much money he has?

maybe....usually real rich people kind of disguise it. but hey, who am i to judge??? he could just as well be telling the truth. so lets just end this thread...

Yeah it just seems weird. I'm not saying the guys here are stupid, if I was struck rich I would come here for advice on cars, knowing how intelligent the frequents here are, but the thing is, he's only 16, so there's no way he'd come here as a resource for buying a car unless it was to flaunt his wealth.

He would probably go to his other friends and ask them what's cool and just buy that.

well, we could just ask him how much tax he has to pay on his income.....

ALL people earning a high salary know that.

I don't think that there is a "right" first car that won't get you killed if power is improperly applied. My first car was a 1977 Toyota with < 90HP, and I still managed to top it out at 96 mph.

I'd search for something with proven reliability that isn't boring. You usually can't go wrong with a Honda unless someone else has already mechanicaly beat it up.

o.k... whatever i don't have any money, ok whatever you say, i'm poor, yeah. i'm going to crash my G4 jet into your house, why, because i can buy another one. this computer i'm on right now cost $15,000 from dell. and if you don't believe me then, whatever, don't believe me.

My reccommendation would be a Nissan 350Z for the following reasons:

When you wreck it, my insurance rates won't go up
When you wreck it, my friends' insurance rates won't go up
I work with someone that buys wrecked cars and converts them to track-only race cars that is looking for a couple of cheap 350z parts cars that he would be able to buy after you wreck it.

"and if you don't believe me then, whatever, don't believe me"

gee, never heard that before.....

gee if you don't believe me then, gee whatever, gee don't believe me. lol

Get an Echo, then supercharge it with a TRD supercharger...then change it to a turbocharger when people begin to suspect.

If you actually do make more money a year "working" than people who actually work do a year; then I'd say get an STI.

My reccommendation would be a Nissan 350Z for the following reasons:

When you wreck it, my insurance rates won't go up
When you wreck it, my friends' insurance rates won't go up
I work with someone that buys wrecked cars and converts them to track-only race cars that is looking for a couple of cheap 350z parts cars that he would be able to buy after you wreck it.

LMAO!

so...
if you earn $150,000 PA and get a healthy allowance, why did you need to save?

how much tax do you have to pay again?

Yea, im having a hard time believing him. But whatever.

i'm going to crash my G4 jet into your house, why, because i can buy another one.

Well if you crash your jet into someone's house...aren't you dead and therefore can't buy another one?

And if you say you are going to jump from the plane...how are you so sure it's going to crash into someone's house specifically...and if you are jumping so low...the parachute is null and void...so you still die...

???

If you do or you don't have a 150k...you still aren't Superman.

Unless he buys superman's powers, since he can probably afford that too

No need to come in here and banter about how rich you are. No one cares. Go buy your car and hopefully die in a flaming wreck.

do you know that if you were on fire in the middle of a blazing desert, i wouldn't even piss on you!?! huh, did you know???

Well gee... I don't know what to say... Uh thanks?

I know I wouldn't want anyone to pee on me...

I guess we take that as a compliment guys?

o.k... whatever i don't have any money, ok whatever you say, i'm poor, yeah. i'm going to crash my G4 jet into your house, why, because i can buy another one. this computer i'm on right now cost $15,000 from dell. and if you don't believe me then, whatever, don't believe me.


Let me put it this way. Don't post BS like that when you have IT guys on the board.

The only stuff in that price range from dell are servers. And the only reason you pay that much is because of their tech support. I know i've worked with them(i don't even like them but that is another story)

Also really expensive home computers don't com from dell. That is like shopping for a ferrari in wallmart. Expensive stuff comes from voddoo, alienware etc. And really epensive stuff is custom made. The fun thing is that I can build a quad opteron system based system and all the super expensive peripherals for less than 10 K. Also FYI Jabba the rich guy that owns jabba's world (he also owns a diablo) his home system cost only about 5K and he had a vapochill case with an overclocked p4 and 4 monitors. So your 3x more expsive system better impress us.

So lets do this:you either admit your BS or you post a pic by this evening of your 15k dell computer setup (inside shot too). If neither of this happens by midnight mountain time you will be banned. I'm sick of guys comming on this forum bs-ing.

Neutrino, you rock man... Like, more than the SRT-4 doing high 13's for less than 20 grand. You rock on levels most mod's would dream to achieve.

BANNAGE time

i bought Dell computer a few months ago for $800...:dunno:

BTW: neutrino, you want to build a computer for me. :naughty:

trying to salvage this somewhat....

neutrino,
opteron or xeon?
i've been toying with the idea of getting myself a dual xeon set-up for work purposes
(if i can afford it, a quad set-up would be nice and probably set me up pc wise for the next few years....).
typical use for 3DSmax, Premiere, Autocad, Microstation, Photoshop, Illustrator.
i still keep hearing nothing but praises for the xeon.
I also have no idea what constitutes a decent graphics card these days.
the thing i'm using now is a Ti4600 with 256.

of course i could fall foul to fashion and get the latest G5 mac......
(but that would mean losing my beloved 3DSmax...)

any recommendations?

o.k... whatever i don't have any money, ok whatever you say, i'm poor, yeah. i'm going to crash my G4 jet into your house, why, because i can buy another one. this computer i'm on right now cost $15,000 from dell. and if you don't believe me then, whatever, don't believe me.


Wow thast some BS my computer ig to from dell that is a desktop has almost all the shit you can get with i got it 2years ago and it was only 1500k so stop will the bs man everone tired people like you


Ban His ass :evillol: fucking :newbie:

trying to salvage this somewhat....

neutrino,
opteron or xeon?
i've been toying with the idea of getting myself a dual xeon set-up for work purposes
(if i can afford it, a quad set-up would be nice and probably set me up pc wise for the next few years....).
typical use for 3DSmax, Premiere, Autocad, Microstation, Photoshop, Illustrator.
i still keep hearing nothing but praises for the xeon.
I also have no idea what constitutes a decent graphics card these days.
the thing i'm using now is a Ti4600 with 256.

of course i could fall foul to fashion and get the latest G5 mac......
(but that would mean losing my beloved 3DSmax...)

any recommendations?


Well I respect intel but I'm a pureblood AMD fanboy. Fact is intel went the wrong way with their long pipelines that required faster and faster clock speeds. Now they got stuck so they have to change their entire architecture and basically follow up AMD's lead.

For the programs you plan a multi proc system will make a huge difference. I know photoshop has support for multiple procs and probably the rest do too. Most serious profesional multimedia will take advantage of that feature since they can run multiple treads simultanuiusly.

Now to get to the hardware this is what what I would recomend:

for a quad opteron board:

http://www.tyan.com/products/html/thunderk8qspro.html
http://www.tyan.com/products/html/thunderk8qs.html

the two boads are similar I belive the only diff is that one can take 20 GB of men and the other 32

they are loaded to the max: 4 pci express slots and looking at their size none if that wusy 1x version. 2 gigabites ethernet controllers, sata with raid, even optional scsi raid.

those boards should be around 1800 USD. I can find an exact price if you would like. The catch with those is that 800 series opterons designed for 4-8 proc work are quite pricy.

Probably the best deal is to go with a dual opteron system.

http://www.tyan.com/products/html/thunderk8w.html

that dual car will be around 400-500 USD and its also super loaded 4 pci express, 1 agp 8x, 1 gb lan, sata with raid option, firewire, up to 16gb mem

and the 200 series (1-2 procs) are much cheaper an opteron 242 will cost 250 USD retail(you can find it even cheaper.

This is an overview. If you like more details just ask.

Also don't go with a G5 i can show you benchmarks where a dual G5 got killed by single pentium 4 EE and a athlon fx33. They only use a "borowed" CPU from IBM.

Note for the other mods. Don't close this thread, i'll leave it open till midnight for gilamman to clear his name then all the computer posts will be moved to the computer section.

Well it is past deadline so the tread is closed. Drunken monkey i've moved the opteron vs xeon in the computer forum:

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=2553720