300zxtt vs skyline R32

stock for stock, which is the better machine in all around performance

trying not to be bias, i would still have to go with the 300zx. it has better aerodynamics and more power. they are also very much alike in most everything else. the only arguably point i see is the notorious 300zx wheel hop when launching. but i can correct that with a set of subframe bushings.

and then of course you have subjective options such as looks. id still go with the 300zx but im sure i will be argued there. but that is subjective so really this shouldnt even be considered.

R32 all the way...at 2900 lbs...it's lighter, it's AWD, and has more than the "280HP" it's supposed to have...the RB26DETT is also known to be stronger than the VG30DETT so you also have that favoring it

IMHO it looks not as good as the Z, but it's also less common to see...which again favors it

The R32 GTR is one of my top 5 cars of all time to have personally...so I choose it

I'll go with the 300ZX. The R32 is a damn bus, both in actual weight and in driving dynamics. The understeer going into corners is pretty bad.

the 300zx would be the one i would rather have, and on a road track it would win, but a skyline would win in a drag between the two, ive been in both and the 300zx outhandles the skyline by far but skyline is faster but nothing beats being seen in a fucking skyline, i mean that is a bad ass car and very notorious, anyways id vote for the 300zx.

R32 is a pretty general term.
Its only the start of the chassis code for a whole range of vechiles from the 1.8l GTe to the 2.6l Twin Turbo AWD GTR.

not trying to be biased, but i would have to go with the 300zx. it would more than likely take the r32 on the track. personally, i like corners better than straight-line, so if the r32 can beat the z in straight-line, that doesn't bother me that much. and then also, this is subjective, the z looks a lot better than the r32. the sleek lines of the z is so great looking compared to the more boxy look of the r32.

-Jared

:) i'm sorry layla, Nissan skyline R32 gtr

if anyone is interested PM. me, i'll send you a bestmotoring video when the R32 GT-R first came out, in 89, they put it against a Z32 TT, and it waxed the floor with the Z32 soooo bad, that the Z32 even didn't clear the last corner before long straight when the GT-R already passed the finished line. the GT-R was 2 seconds faster then the Z. and that wasn't even a V-spec II. it was a standard GT-R without the ALTESSA ETS PRO. just the standard mechanical ALTESSA, and the V-spec II's are usually around .5-1 seconds faster then a standard GT-R. so in theory a R32 GT-R spec II can lap 3 seconds faster then a Z32 TT. its not even close, 1/4 miles wise, or track wise.

the R32 is also only 3200 lbs so its 300 lbs lighter, its true output is aroudn 300hp like the Z, RazorGTR gotten his car to run 12 flat with only like 4 thousand invested.

remember the R32 came out one year after the Z. the Z is not nissan's flag ship. the GT-R is. the GT-R was soo ahead of its time from 89-95 that it won 56 out of 56 races, and they had to change all the rule of Group A touring champion ships casue no one could touch it. therefore the JGTC was formed and kept on penalizing the GT-R and utlimatly prohibited it to uses its AWD system, and finally thats when the TOM's supra took first place. yet the Z was never used in such races cause why would you want to spend money to develope a inferior race car, when the GT-R was right there?

edit: just saw video again. after the GT-R crossed the finish line, then entered the first corner again, you see the Z32 TT finally hit the last corner.

as for looks i prefer my cars muscular looking, as for size wise, my friends saw 2 in person, and they are no bigger then my 240 in person.

http://www.davewilkinsgtr.co.uk/images/japfest17052003/japfestmay0306.jpg

http://213.161.73.29/fastorlast/images/jedigtr5112003161254_1.JPG

http://www.h4.dion.ne.jp/~take-r32/r.side.jpg

I'll upload it once I get it, and post it for the populous once I'm done with the File transfer Tat.

And I vote R32 GTR. Z's are great cars, but I'm sorry GTRs would just wipe the floor with them stock for stock.

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Here's the vid... The GTR just walks all. As advertised.

well, there is your answer. GT-R takes z32TT by a large margin.

but i will still take the Z. :D despite that the pics of those r32's are just sick. i just cant argue with the sleek lines of the z32.

EDIT: ok i just watched the video, that was a good race, to see where the cars of that time compared. the Z held its own until about lap 3. then the GTR just pulled on it. plus the Z driver sounded like a girl, thats not fair. :lol: just joking.

SKYLINES=UGLY CARS, sorry just my opinion. oh and by the way i would rather own a 300zx,because it looks so much better and is one of my fav cars.

SKYLINES=UGLY CARS, sorry just my opinion. oh and by the way i would rather own a 300zx,because it looks so much better and is one of my fav cars.

i know looks is subjective, but is it just me, or does anyone see a fish in the VR-4 pic in your sig?

i see fish eyes, fish mouth, fish gills on the bumper, and fish fins looking rear vents. my god, its a big 3700 lb fish on ugly chrome wheels~!!!
if you use your imagination it looks kinda like Nemo from Finding Nemo

as you can see, the GT-R's looks does no associate with any kind of animals or underwater animals. so that makes it more manlier.

j/p, except for the fish part though. :grinyes:

I found Nemo!

i know looks is subjective, but is it just me, or does anyone see a fish in the VR-4 pic in your sig?

i see fish eyes, fish mouth, fish gills on the bumper, and fish fins looking rear vents. my god, its a big 3700 lb fish on ugly chrome wheels~!!!

as you can see, the GT-R's looks does no associate with any kind of animals or underwater animals. so that makes it more manlier.

j/p, except for the fish part though. :grinyes:

:grinno: hahaha i knew you were going to respond with something like that, but its all cool we all have the right to choose what we like. if it looks like a fish to you then well thank god im not you.

its okay, no hard feelings, i do have a very wild imagination if you haven't notice yet. so its all cool.

For me, the best all around would be the Z. I dislike the styling of the Skyline and though it may be a faster car, its speed is not enough to offset its gaudy looks (IMO).













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i personally see nothing gaudy about the GT-R's styling. i mean it doesn't particularly any stand out with any in your face styling elements. i mean its wing is not big, it only has flare fenders to hide wider wheels and stance, and a pretty function and conservatively styled bumper. no jewel head lights, only simple round 4 circle tailights that are haloed.

i mean i find this wierd becsue this is coming from a guy who drives a vr-4 that is calling a GT-R gaudy when pretty much nothing on the exterior of a VR-4 is functional. and its wing is waaay bigger then the ones found on the GT-R and it has all these weird non functional slits on the rear bumper.

but style is style, that is not that main debate, it was just overall performance and the GT-R as you can see from the Video wins by a very very large margin.

Actually, there are more things on the 3000GT VR4 than you think. For example, the large spoiler is a quite obvious answer, to decrease drag at high speeds and also to give it the much needed down force it needs because the body itself doesn't generate that much down force for a sports car with a twin turbo V6 AWD monstrosity. And also the front vent for every 3000GT VR4 model up until 1997 have an active aero dam that also helps with down force. Also the little vents on the side help cool the rear brakes.

Also, just because the Japanese didn't give the Mitsubishi GTO enough attention just because they already have an AWD 6 cylinder sports car they hold as a national icon doesn't mean American tuners have to abandon it. In fact, the VR4/Stealth R/T is closest thing to the GTR the US can ever have.

i know about the active aero system. supra has that as well. the only problem is, while it does help, the added weight hurt it more then it helped. also i know that the side vents are functional, that is why i didn't mention it as a gaudy styling element. however for some odd reason the VR-4 just seemed overly styled to me. the older first gen got those weird bumps on the sides of the hood, the weird grey color plastic underneth the pop up lights, the weird slits on by the licence plate. the interior is quit crappy as well. it soo cluastrophobic with sooo much space being taken up by the dash and those 3 gauges.

the interior is quit crappy as well. it soo cluastrophobic with sooo much space being taken up by the dash and those 3 gauges.

I thought the 3000GT's interior was excellent (Never been in one though). Apparently more buttons then a stealth bomber and a dash that lights up like a Christmas tree at night. Certainly appeals to me. Love my Vette's digital dash even if it is a pain in the ass to repair when it goes bump.

TatII, I have to say you're really ignoring what Nissan was doing in the rest of the world if you're thinking they didn't develop the Z32 as a race car. Cunningham Motorsports and Bob Sharp Racing both were taken in as Nissan's factory team in IMSA competition (much in the same way Tom Walkinshaw Racing was Jaguar's factory team or Joest is Audi's factory effort). They together developed the 300ZX into the dominant car in the GTO/GTS category in the late 80's to mid 90's.

In fact, the 300ZX's record wasn't matched until the Oreca Vipers were introduced, and by that time the 300ZX had been retired as both a make and a race car.

But not before the Z32 became the first GTS class car to win the 24 Hours of Daytona outright (as driven by Paul Gentilozzi, Scott Pruett, Steve Millen, and Butch Leitzinger).

You have to realize that the Skyline GT-R was limited to the eastern hemisphere in its scope of competition. Nissan's primary goal in racing the GT-R was to revitalize the retro nameplate with a modern racing history and as such kickstart sales of the WHOLE Skyline platform. That it was very successful meant that it did its job well.

But on the international scene, the car Nissan relied on to carry its name into battle in major sports car races was the 300ZX and the car did incredibly well fighting alongside of its Group C/GTP stablemates.


http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/1992/Mid-Ohio-1992-05-30g-075.jpg

Nissan 300ZX's 1-2 at Mid-Ohio in 1992, GTS/GTU combined race.

http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/1989/Mid-Ohio-1989-06-04-083.jpg

Geoff Brabham at speed in the Nissan #83 GTP car that carried him to numerous GTP wins, including this one at Mid-Ohio in 1989.

And you know, little brother 240SX did pretty well in the GTU category too. In the same race as big brother 300ZX and its Rocketsports Racing Oldsmobile Cutlass competitors (basically Trans-Am cars) the 240SX's finished 6th, 8th, and 14th.

http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/1992/Mid-Ohio-1992-05-30g-095.jpg

But on the international scene,]


Change that to the "North American Scene". :cool:


In Europe the GTi-R Pulsar and Primera were used as Nissans primary show off sports cars, and were quite successful winning the British rally championship with the GTi-R and doing very well in the BTCC with the Primera.

However you are right that the 300zx was Nissans Global flagship car and displayed an impressive amount of technology combined with a very high level of performance.
Sales of the GTR were officaly limited to Japan only, although a few made it to New Zealand and Australia as a result of the cars success in the Australian touring car championship.
However the 300zx was marketed and sold new in all the countrys Nissan had an interest in, and is I think the only model from that period to be sold in all markets with the same name and the same or similar trim levels.

But, because it was also sold in the same market as the GTR which also happened to be Nissans home market, and one of thier biggest (possibly thier biggest at the time) the 300zx was never ment to compete with the GTR.
The GTR was a display of pure performance enhancing technology, it was a road legal race car, driver comfort and passanger space came second to performance.
The 300zx was a display of Nissan's ideal GT.
A display of Luxury and power where comfort and performance could be fitted into the same package.


The two cars are quite differnt in design intentions, and appealed to differnt buyers when new, just as they do now second hand.

To compare them you have to look at more than just which car has the most hp, and will get around a track faster.
Thats easy, its the GTR, it was designed to be faster around a track or road course.

But which car has the most comfortable seats?
The best throttle response at low rpm?
The most room in the boot?
The better factory stereo?
The extras like leather and climate control?
etc etc etc

Change that to the "North American Scene". :cool:


In Europe the GTi-R Pulsar and Primera were used as Nissans primary show off sports cars, and were quite successful winning the British rally championship with the GTi-R and doing very well in the BTCC with the Primera.

However you are right that the 300zx was Nissans Global flagship car and displayed an impressive amount of technology combined with a very high level of performance.
Sales of the GTR were officaly limited to Japan only, although a few made it to New Zealand and Australia as a result of the cars success in the Australian touring car championship.
However the 300zx was marketed and sold new in all the countrys Nissan had an interest in, and is I think the only model from that period to be sold in all markets with the same name and the same or similar trim levels.

But, because it was also sold in the same market as the GTR which also happened to be Nissans home market, and one of thier biggest (possibly thier biggest at the time) the 300zx was never ment to compete with the GTR.
The GTR was a display of pure performance enhancing technology, it was a road legal race car, driver comfort and passanger space came second to performance.
The 300zx was a display of Nissan's ideal GT.
A display of Luxury and power where comfort and performance could be fitted into the same package.


The two cars are quite differnt in design intentions, and appealed to differnt buyers when new, just as they do now second hand.

To compare them you have to look at more than just which car has the most hp, and will get around a track faster.
Thats easy, its the GTR, it was designed to be faster around a track or road course.

But which car has the most comfortable seats?
The best throttle response at low rpm?
The most room in the boot?
The better factory stereo?
The extras like leather and climate control?
etc etc etc

excellent point moppie however i have to disagree with your larget boot part, becuse the boot of a Z is extremely small, and that really rackish rear hatch doenst help with room either. so everything is true that hte Z is more refined as a more creature comfort car compared to the GT-R. but the GT-R still has backseats and a bigger truck. thats good enough for me

but the GT-R still has backseats and a bigger truck. thats good enough for me

True, but have you ever sat in the back seats of an R32?
Im on the short side (as Im sure everyone knows by now) and I find them horribly cramped, the coupe or the 4dr. There is simply no leg room.
The GTR is a little better as the front seats are smaller and thinner (more like proper buckets) but there is still very little room.
The petrol tank is also stuffed behind the back seat between the rear wheels, so although the boot may look large, it isn't.
The 300ZX's large hatch type back has more useable space.

The R series Skylines feel like they are built around the RB series engines, quite literaly they feel like space for a driver, passangers and luggage was an after thought.
The 300ZX is IMO a better thought out car, in terms of space and functionality as a user friendly performance car.
But then I have a some what biased view against the R32, Iv never found the actual driving experiance to match the hype. Although I have yet to be forunate enough to drive a proper GTR.

i know about the active aero system. supra has that as well.

are you serious? where and what does it do, got any info on it? i just never new that.

i'm not sure if it was ever out in the states. but i know that the import supra's got a adjustable front and rear lip.