2004/05 Current World's Fastest Production Car

Ok what is the current 2004/05 World's Fastest Production Car? This seems to be an argument nobody can agree on.. I have heard of about 10 to 15 different cars claiming to own this title... From what I have heard and from stats I have checked into, I come up with the Saleen S7 .... Ok! Ok! Ok! before we all go into a frenzy about the S7, let's get something clear here from the start, we are not talking about comfort, we are not talk about comfort on the streets, we are not talking about cornering, and all of that, we are talking about actual stats here as far as 0-60 and overall top end speed... NOTHING ELSE! Who do you think earns the right to the crown as 2004/05 World's Fastest PRODUCTION Car... Production being the key word here, no matter of it's sells even if it hasn't sold a single car, it must be a production car not a concept or is going to be a production car... It has to be a currently street legal production car..

Now having said that, we all know my pick (if not again I say the S7) but what is everyone else pick? And some of the stats to back it up, remember we talking 0-60 and most important top end in MPH... I have heard anything from, The Sledgehammer Corvette, Mclaren F1, Viper Hennesy Venom, BUGATTI VEYRON 16/4, The Nissan Skyline GTSt, The Skyline GTR, Lamborghini Murcielago, Ferrari 550, Porsche GT2, Aston Martin Vanquish, AMG SL55, The Lingenfelter Corvette, to a bunch of others... Now I can come up with arguments why all the aforementioned cars other then the S7 should not own the crown and I'm sure many of you out there also can... But if you think from stats any other car out there can beat the S7 hands down, then let it be known and you throw your pick into the hat, and lets see if we can finally put an end to this argument...

The thing is if you whant the fastest production car for 04 most cars you listed are not eligible.

Mclaren F1 stopped production a while ago, lingenfelters and hennesy cars are not production cars. And including future cars is not the best ideea since we don't have any final numbers. So Veyron, Me 4-12 etc...should not be counted.


That said accelration wise the Mosler might be the fastest as far as acceleration goes. For top speed it should be the Koeniggseg. The CCR version might win both accounts but i have yet to see any official testing.

The thing is if you whant the fastest production car for 04 most cars you listed are not eligible.

Mclaren F1 stopped production a while ago, lingenfelters and hennesy cars are not production cars. And including future cars is not the best ideea since we don't have any final numbers. So Veyron, Me 4-12 etc...should not be counted.


That said accelration wise the Mosler might be the fastest as far as acceleration goes. For top speed it should be the Koeniggseg. The CCR version might win both accounts but i have yet to see any official testing.

I wasn't counting the F1, lingenfelters and hennesy, and so on, I just put them down as examples of other peoples picks that I have talked to about this, and I also said I had arguments myself why none of them should even be in the race... My pick is the Saleen S7, and I stand by it...

I wasn't counting the F1, lingenfelters and hennesy, and so on, I just put them down as examples of other peoples picks that I have talked to about this, and I also said I had arguments myself why none of them should even be in the race... My pick is the Saleen S7, and I stand by it...


Well i belive you are wrong by a rather long shot


But anyway the easiest way to do this is to post verifiable numbers:


Koenigsegg CCR:
Acceleration: 0-100 km/h (0–62 mph) 3.2 seconds
Top speed: 395+ km/h (242+ mph)
Standing quartermile: 9 seconds, end speed 235 km/h (146 mph)

Source:
http://www.koenigsegg.com/thecars/index.asp?submenu=4

9 seconds...that's sick...was that street tires?

9 seconds...that's sick...was that street tires?

not sure about that, it might be posible considering it has 335 tires in the back. And who knows it might have a launch system built in. That should asure trouble free starts.

Also now that I'm thinking there might be a car to chalenge the CCR. It seems that they offer now a supercharger for the Moslers(from the manufacturer). So put that on a sub 2000lbs Photon and who knows you might beat the CCR in the 1/4. Of couse top speed will suck compared to the Swed since the Mosler sacrificed CD for some serious downforce(good choice too IMO).

Yeah. For the time being, the Koenigsegg probably has the title for top speed.

If the Veyron ever comes out, maybe it can take it away.

I always get stuck on the word 'production' Its a pretty vague term. Does a production line of 1 car a year count? Does it have to be several, a hundred, thousands or more? I'm probably just splitting hairs, but it seems to be the point of contention.













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How much does a Koenigsegg cost?

why are there skylines in that list????

I agree that the Koeniggseg CCR is the fastest because I've seen many places that say they top out at 242+ and I was watching this show just last night on TV called Million Dollar Cars or something like that and they had teh Saleen S7 on there and Steve Saleen (I think that's the guys name) said it tops out at 240.

why are there skylines in that list????

I know man, they're so damn heavy...

J/K :)

Notice that he said it's one of the answers he gets a lot, which makes sense, since there a lot of people who watch one or two movies and then conclude that the Skyline is the greatest car ever made.

I know man, they're so damn heavy...

J/K :)

Notice that he said it's one of the answers he gets a lot, which makes sense, since there a lot of people who watch one or two movies and then conclude that the Skyline is the greatest car ever made.

yea there's some people who worship the car, oh well what can you do about it? :p

I'd say the Koenigsegg CCR should keep the title for a while. I'm not positive on this, but right now I'd guess its faster then the Bugatti 16/4 because it has a far better power to weight ratio, and I've read articles about how the 16/4 will fall short of expectations and is very unstable at high speeds.

I always get stuck on the word 'production' Its a pretty vague term. Does a production line of 1 car a year count? Does it have to be several, a hundred, thousands or more? I'm probably just splitting hairs, but it seems to be the point of contention.


Personally I go with official govermental homologation. A hennesy viper will still be considered by the DOT a viper albeit a modded one. However some tuners modify the cars so much that the government classifies them as a manufacturer as in the case of RUF - they might look like Porsche but they are not anymore.

why are there skylines in that list????
Because they stopped manufacturing them is one reason

Does the 4-12 qualify for this? I've seen its estimated top speed at 248mph 400kmph.

Does the 4-12 qualify for this? I've seen its estimated top speed at 248mph 400kmph.


personally i would say no because we have no official testing yet. It might end up like the Veyron, of course i see that as very unlikelly since so far Chrysler delived on all their promises...but still.

Dauer 962 anyone?


Top Speed 250.0 mph / 402.3 kph

0 - 60 mph 2.6 seconds


Base Price 853,473

personally i would say no because we have no official testing yet. It might end up like the Veyron, of course i see that as very unlikelly since so far Chrysler delived on all their promises...but still.

Yea I guess when you design a car that can approach these type of speeds, the only way to be sure is to see it happen.

Dauer 962 anyone?

reading anyone? production car.

the veyron is just not the same as an CCR, for example.
the veyron's so heavy, I'd rather buy one, get a proper lightweight chassis + carbon body (edit: with proper aerodynamic features, would look like a lemans car probably..) and put it's engine in, tadaaa, 400+ kph

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There is a major difference between quickest and fastest.

If you want to know the quickest car, go to http://www.autofacts.ca/classics/fast.htm and check out who really is #1. Only 70 of the S/S Super Stock, 426 Hemi's were made.

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Only 70 of the S/S Super Stock, 426 Hemi's were made.

jup which doesn't really 'qualify' it to be a production car.

the CCR is built afaik about a 120 times now.
but it's a 'stand-alone-model', not a modified exception.

Dinan, about the weight/power ratio:
the Bugatti weighs approximately 1600kg and features 1001hp, the CCR weighs 1180kg and has 806hp.
That means, the CCR has only 1.46kg per hp and the Veryon 1.6kg.

But, what's really better (and more important as power is only a derivate of multiple factors) - the weight/torque ratio, and the fact that the Veryon is AWD. lets see

i've heard different top speeds for the enzo pagani Zonda and porche carrera gt(by the way i seen that car yesterday) i would think that if the other cars could move faster than 240, the mags would be all over it. but from what i read, the koenigseggs was a faster straightline car then the enzo and pagani Zonda. with that bieng said, i agree with most, the koenigsegg is king in straightline as of right now.