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modest performance, modest insurance, less than 20k$, does it exist?


S2CorollaR
11-16-2004, 04:12 PM
Hi...

I'm pretty tapped out on what to do... :disappoin

I need a car sub 20k$. I don't want it to be a gas guzzler. It doesn't have to be bang/buck. I know that an LS1 or 4.6 liter Mustang would give the best power per dollar, but that's not what I'm looking for.

The problem is, I most likely have to go used if I want to get a good insurance rate and I want it to have good gas milage. Performance IS an issue though. I want something that's 15.7 or faster-worthy.

These are the cars I have on potential so far in the used market.

1998-2001 Honda Prelude 5 speed non-SH.

1998-2001 Acura Integra GSR 2 door

2000 (Not 2001) Toyota Celica GTS 6 speed

2002(?) Mazdaspeed Protege

From what I've read, Spec V's have a horrible build and have to be babied to run strongly and not have any break downs or quick wear. I also know first hand that 2002 Civic Si's and 2001+ Celica GTS's don't perform as well as they're advertised. Acura RSX Type S is potential but it'd be hard to find a used one that isn't driven to hell.

As you can see, I'm going into Sport Compact area of ownership, I'm also going through dealership and I don't like older cars, so please don't suggest something ridiculous like a 92 Mustang 5.0 and fixing it up, or a 92-95 Civic with motor swap. I want something that performs decent but isn't ridiculous to drive. :mad:

I've also looked into the following new cars, but I have no idea how they fare as far as insurance.

Dodge Neon SRT4 (The insurance and the attraction of police are what's concerning me the most about this vehicle. I hate cops and I know they'd look at this car the minute they spotted it, watching my every move.)

Toyota Corolla XRS (The power train is very attractive, but I'm not sure if the looks of the car would wear out on me fast)

The Prelude is one of the best to me so far, because I really really wanted one back in 2001, but I didn't have a good trade in amount at-hand, so I had to pick something cheaper. I like the GSR, but the circle lights at the front are always a turn off. I don't need something that has massive aftermarket potential, which is why I still listed the GTS. I will do mod's later down the line as I get extra money, but I'm not one of those, "9 second street car, pink slips baby" kind of enthusiasts. I see myself going to the track every now and then for fun, but the only time I'd really take advantage of the performance is way out in the country with my friends or on the freeway occasionally.

Links and other info are not necessary but will greatly be appreciated. :grinno:

kman10587
11-16-2004, 05:16 PM
The Celica is a good choice, but they're kinda pricey and tough to find. The performance is great and the reliability is top-notch, however.

I'd stay away from the Sentra SE-R Spec V. Reliability is very hit-or-miss, torque steer is a big problem on the Spec V models, and the build quality just isn't there like it is in most Japanese products. The bang-for-buck is very good, though.

The Prelude is an excellent car, but it's also very expensive, and insurance will be higher on it than anything else you have listed. Gas mileage isn't as good as most sport compacts either.

The Integra GS-R would be my first pick. Gas mileage is very good, performance is great, and it's very reliable and easy to live with, as is any Acura/Honda product.

The Protege is a fun little car, but the build quality isn't up there with Toyota and Honda, and the performance is lacking unless you have the turbocharged MAZDASPEED version.

Don't get the SRT-4 unless performance is your main priority. It'll run low 14's all day, but gas mileage and insurance are horrible compared to other cars in that price range, and yes, cops will follow you around all day.

Neutrino
11-16-2004, 05:21 PM
What about a Scion Tc. 16K brand new with tons of options for the money, not to mention excellent quality. And with the optional TRD supercharger you'll have 200hp factory warranty and still be under 20K

landshark155mph
11-16-2004, 06:05 PM
Hi...

I'm pretty tapped out on what to do... :disappoin

I need a car sub 20k$. I don't want it to be a gas guzzler. It doesn't have to be bang/buck. I know that an LS1 or 4.6 liter Mustang would give the best power per dollar, but that's not what I'm looking for.

The problem is, I most likely have to go used if I want to get a good insurance rate and I want it to have good gas milage. Performance IS an issue though. I want something that's 15.7 or faster-worthy.

These are the cars I have on potential so far in the used market.

1998-2001 Honda Prelude 5 speed non-SH.

1998-2001 Acura Integra GSR 2 door

2000 (Not 2001) Toyota Celica GTS 6 speed

2002(?) Mazdaspeed Protege

From what I've read, Spec V's have a horrible build and have to be babied to run strongly and not have any break downs or quick wear. I also know first hand that 2002 Civic Si's and 2001+ Celica GTS's don't perform as well as they're advertised. Acura RSX Type S is potential but it'd be hard to find a used one that isn't driven to hell.

As you can see, I'm going into Sport Compact area of ownership, I'm also going through dealership and I don't like older cars, so please don't suggest something ridiculous like a 92 Mustang 5.0 and fixing it up, or a 92-95 Civic with motor swap. I want something that performs decent but isn't ridiculous to drive. :mad:

I've also looked into the following new cars, but I have no idea how they fare as far as insurance.

Dodge Neon SRT4 (The insurance and the attraction of police are what's concerning me the most about this vehicle. I hate cops and I know they'd look at this car the minute they spotted it, watching my every move.)

Toyota Corolla XRS (The power train is very attractive, but I'm not sure if the looks of the car would wear out on me fast)

The Prelude is one of the best to me so far, because I really really wanted one back in 2001, but I didn't have a good trade in amount at-hand, so I had to pick something cheaper. I like the GSR, but the circle lights at the front are always a turn off. I don't need something that has massive aftermarket potential, which is why I still listed the GTS. I will do mod's later down the line as I get extra money, but I'm not one of those, "9 second street car, pink slips baby" kind of enthusiasts. I see myself going to the track every now and then for fun, but the only time I'd really take advantage of the performance is way out in the country with my friends or on the freeway occasionally.

Links and other info are not necessary but will greatly be appreciated. :grinno:

what about a 6-speed 03 tiburon they seem cheap and respond mods very well.

NISSANSPDR
11-16-2004, 06:25 PM
GSR is a great choice but not very original...but lighter and quicker than the Prelude...

The Celica is light and quick but not a great aftermarket...the GSR's is HUGE!!!

The Mazdaspeed Protegé is a great choice...original, handles amazing, and good power...

It's up to you...GSR or M-Speed Protegé

Personally...a GSR you cant go wrong...but watch out for ppl who want to jack your ride for the engine, mods, whatever...Honda's are big targets for car theft...

Mazdaspeed Pro is a lil under the radar and really underrated in my book...

S2CorollaR
11-17-2004, 01:33 AM
I kind of wanted to avoid V6's, but yeah I know the Tiburon responds well to mods. I love how they look stock too, but insurance/gas milage are my big leaners right now.

Question, is there an exhaust for GSR that wouldn't be ridiculously loud?

:EDIT:

Yeah... I think the Mazdaspeed is really nice, the problem is it's hard to get a black one, which is kind of the color I'm leaning toward.

To be honest I rate the Mazdaspeed above the GSR because it's not as common and handles like a dream, stock.

kman10587
11-17-2004, 01:35 AM
Ignore that guy, he suggests the Tiburon in every thread he posts in. The Tiburon is heavy, unreliable, and bad on gas mileage. Forget about it.

NISSANSPDR
11-17-2004, 06:39 AM
Question, is there an exhaust for GSR that wouldn't be ridiculously loud?

Yeah... I think the Mazdaspeed is really nice, the problem is it's hard to get a black one, which is kind of the color I'm leaning toward. To be honest I rate the Mazdaspeed above the GSR because it's not as common and handles like a dream, stock.

I am sure there is an exhaust that is not so bad...if you ask around on a GS-R friendly forum board...I am sure you will get plenty of ppl who can tell you their experiences. Worst comes to worst...you can always get 2.5 in' piping and use the stock exhaust. :uhoh:

As for the MS Pro, I totally agree w/you...cuz it's what I said :naughty:

johnny2quick
11-17-2004, 06:13 PM
The Celica is a good choice, but they're kinda pricey and tough to find.

nope. try newcelica.org

a 2000 gt-s can be had for ~$11K and there is a new company coming with performance parts that will bring the celica to new heights in performance

i love my 2000 gt-s. i got screwed on the deal and still wouldn't get rid of it.

NISSANSPDR
11-17-2004, 09:50 PM
a new company coming with performance parts that will bring the celica to new heights in performance



What heights..? Elaborate :eek7:

S2CorollaR
11-17-2004, 11:35 PM
Hmm, a few things. When I look at the #'s in magazines and private owners, a lot of Prelude H22A owners pull out really low 15's out of their 'lude stock manual transmission. A lot of the GSR's I see on the other hand are really spikey as far as stock times. Some run 15.2-ish times, others are deep in 15.7's. The general consensus I get from Honda owners is that Prelude's are faster on the flop but the B18C responds better to mods. If I wanted the best mildy modded performance and "out of box" performance, would I be better off with the Prelude versus Integra GSR?

I'm just trying to narrow down my choices.

Jetts
11-17-2004, 11:39 PM
i would take the scion tc with the trd supercharger

S2CorollaR
11-17-2004, 11:44 PM
Isn't it like 18,000 with the optional TRD supercharger? 18k compared to 15.5 for a Prelude is a hell of a difference. Not to mention it hasn't been out long, there aren't any year-long owners that have given word about its durability. I haven't heard word of mouth from owners about it confirming its credibility.

Has anyone even commented on its performance #'s or gas milage with the SuperCharger? How high is the insurance? What other options does it have other than the supercharger?

Like I said in my earlier post, I'm not in this for just speed. If I were, I would get a Camaro Z28 or a Trans Am.

kman10587
11-17-2004, 11:46 PM
I'd go with the Integra over the Prelude, simply because it's lighter, cheaper, and has a bigger aftermarket. The Prelude is probably a little bit faster, but the Integra is more practical when it comes to gas mileage, insurance, and maintenance.

k3smostwanted
11-18-2004, 01:47 AM
well, you also have to consider that the scion TC is going to come with a warrantee. beings its toyota i wouldnt doubt it would be as long as 3-5 years, maybe more. also, it has numerous amount of features that are standard. this isnt to detour you away from what you like. just bringing some added info into the mix.

between the prelude and the GSR. i would take the prelude solely based on looks because like you said before, performance is not everything, in which case i think the prelude and GSR are pretty evenly matched when it comes to performace so i would move onto looks. i love the sleek lines of the prelude and the GSR just seem too ordinary to me.

EDIT: looked up some stuff from the official scion website of the TC. 3 year 36,000 mile warantee on the car itself. 5 year 60,000 mile warantee on the power train. plus other numerous warantees on paint and stuff. ill let you take a look at the stuff that comes standard (pw, pl, panoramic roof, etc.) also, you can get a bunch of other extra things like 18" wheels that look nice IMO. not trying to sound like a scion tc sales person or anything but IMO, it is the best buy for under $20,000 http://scion.com/drive/gallery/drive_tc_gallery.html

S2CorollaR
11-18-2004, 01:28 PM
Hmm... right now I own a 2002 Corolla and I can tell you first hand that Toyota's warranties are not friendly. They threatened to invalidate my entire powertrain warranty if I were to install a cold air intake. This is coming from Toyota in Georgia and one of the few Toyota dealership shops in San diego.

Also, I understand the car has a new car warranty.. I know it does, but my problem with the car was that it hasn't been out long enough to have an established reputation. I'm a college student, not a guinnea pig so I can't afford to be one of the statistical figures if the car does have problems. It's not like I can go to the dealership and take it back.

NISSANSPDR
11-18-2004, 03:33 PM
Let us not forget that the tC has a Camry motor...which is not bad...the Camry motor is super reliable...and w/a TRD supercharger...it would still retain that same reliability provided you were SMART about it...ie not stupid!!!

Kurtdg19
11-18-2004, 05:05 PM
Why don't you check out an 02 Maxima. Yes its a larger car, but it handles good for its nature. Plus you get the bonus 3.5L pushing 255hp (i believe) and you can go with 6 speed. Interior will be a bonus compared to these other cars, and its a car you can drive everyday with your friends and feel comfortable in doing so. I know this car isn't a sub compact, but it will get you in the 14s without compromising ride quality as much as the smaller cars will. Check it out....if you dare :wink:

Hypsi87
11-23-2004, 01:02 PM
Hi...

I'm pretty tapped out on what to do... :disappoin

I need a car sub 20k$. I don't want it to be a gas guzzler. It doesn't have to be bang/buck. I know that an LS1 or 4.6 liter Mustang would give the best power per dollar, but that's not what I'm looking for.

The problem is, I most likely have to go used if I want to get a good insurance rate and I want it to have good gas milage. Performance IS an issue though. I want something that's 15.7 or faster-worthy.

:

one word... turbo Buick.

I know I suggest it in every thread but, I pay 50 bucks a month full coverage. when I had a lock up torque converter I got 24 MPG. They are 13.8 sec cars to begin with. now with my 3300 stall non lockup, I get 22. I have less than 3,500 in my car and i am in the mid 11's with stock internals (except valve springs) you can find them all day long for under 10K. Hell I was in the mid 12's with under 1k in mods. Just take a look at them. www.gnttype.org any questions will be adressed there, any other questions, you can get ahold of me.

kman10587
11-23-2004, 06:04 PM
I know I suggest it in every thread but

You're not kidding...

you can find them all day long for under 10K.

If you can find one in good shape for under 10K in the Vegas area, let me know. They hardly ever show up, and when they do, they go for well over 10K.

lucki17
11-23-2004, 09:19 PM
i would suggest a s14 240sx, they are cheap reliable, look amazing, huge aftermarket, good on gas, cheap insurance, and you have a few options to choose from engine wise.

but from the looks of it you want a fwd car so i would say integra, or prelude.

toyotas arnt really great for performance, and there warrentes are great, if you keep them completely stock that is.my mom has a corolla, its what i learned to drive with, i thought it was pretty fun until i got my s13, now everytime i drive it i feel like im driving a damn mini van. girls think its "cute" though, not sure if that is good or not.

so yeah look at a integra or a prelude they are not bad, or of course you could always get a civic :(

kman10587
11-23-2004, 09:58 PM
Hondas are too common. If you want FWD, get the 240SX's little brother, the Sentra SE-R/200SX SE-R. Good looks, pretty rare, unbeatable reliability, and an SR20DE :P

thecackster
11-24-2004, 10:54 AM
Turbo 2g Dsm... if you get like a 95-98 ins. isn't too bad... and there quick! smoke the celica thats for sure! :lol: no hard feeling about the celica tho... looks nice... thats my :2cents:

BP2K2Max
11-24-2004, 11:14 AM
i got my 2002 maxima over a year ago for $20K. typical price now for an almost fully loaded 6 speed is in the area of $16K. i make an average of 26-32 mpg and they can touch into 14 secs in the 1/4 bone stock.

lucki17
11-24-2004, 02:37 PM
oh yeah, i completly frogot about the maxima, good looks front wheel drive, tons of power, and dont they have the 350z motors? i know the 95's had the 300zx n/a motors, but yeah i say go with the maxima, but i love nissan.

just go drive a few cars see what you like and get back to us with your choice, cant go wroung with a nissan though, affordable, reliable, good looks, cheap insurance, and good preformance.

VAD0R
11-25-2004, 02:15 AM
What about the Saturn ION Redline? Road & Track compared it to the SRT-4. Even though it is slower in 0-60 and 1/4 it was hardly a second slower in track times, equal on the skip pad, plus just about as capable in the slalom. Sure it has its share of bugs like the rev limiter and too tall for this car gearing but those are things aftermarket parts can get over, which I am sure the Ecotech has. Or if you are willing to spend a couple more thousand you can get the Cobalt SS, which is lighter and probably has shorter gearing so it is a bit faster. As for the center dash thing, I got to sit in the Redline at the autoshow and I got use to that aspect. I can also say the interior is quite decent with some really nice Recardo seats. The exterior looks nice on the outside in person as well. I haven't seen the Cobalt SS in person though. Not to mention I don't think too many cops will be looking out for either of these cars.

Dave1669
11-25-2004, 10:58 AM
I'd go with the Prelude. Slightly quicker than the Integra GSR or Celica GTS and perhaps the best handling car of the group. It's also a little less common than the Celica or Integra. The Mazdaspeed would not be a bad choice either based on rarity and it is already turbocharged. I am not sure about the reliability though when compared to the other 3.

drunken monkey
11-25-2004, 11:51 AM
"They threatened to invalidate my entire powertrain warranty if I were to install a cold air intake"

but isn't that the same with any other car company with regards to warrenty?

BP2K2Max
11-25-2004, 08:48 PM
oh yeah, i completly frogot about the maxima, good looks front wheel drive, tons of power, and dont they have the 350z motors? i know the 95's had the 300zx n/a motors, but yeah i say go with the maxima, but i love nissan.


the 2k2's and newer use the vq35, which is also used in the 350Z. in the maxima the engine makes 255 hp and 246 ft/lbs of torque and the car weighs ~3220lbs. it's a lot of fun to drive.

i'd also agree with whoever mentioned the prelude, i test drove one(94 SH vtec 5 speed) before i bought my previous maxima(1995 SE 5 speed) and i don't think i've ever ridden in/driven a better handling FWD car and they're also quite fun to drive. i was just very impressed with the power the maxima made, so that's what i went with, my next choice was the Lude.


"They threatened to invalidate my entire powertrain warranty if I were to install a cold air intake"

but isn't that the same with any other car company with regards to warrenty?

according to the magnuson-moss act, unless otherwise stated in your warranty contract, it is illegal for a car company to invalidate your warranty unless they can actually prove that the aftermarket part you installed was responsible for whatever repair work you are going in for.

mason_RsX
11-26-2004, 09:07 AM
Mitsubishi in the US was voiding warrenties on their EVO's if there were any signs they were being used for rally racing, or if they were being driven too aggressivley...

NerveAgent
11-26-2004, 12:14 PM
I say maxima. IT HAULS.

landshark155mph
11-26-2004, 11:04 PM
Ignore that guy, he suggests the Tiburon in every thread he posts in. The Tiburon is heavy, unreliable, and bad on gas mileage. Forget about it.

ya :screwy: you need to get your facts straight. :loser:

kman10587
11-27-2004, 01:59 AM
ya :screwy: you need to get your facts straight. :loser:

And you need to present a coherent argument to me, consisting of more than one line, why I'm full of shit.

aznxthuggie
11-27-2004, 06:19 PM
probably a sciot tc wit a supercharger, faster than the corolla xrs, and much more reliable than the spec v

lucki17
11-28-2004, 12:51 AM
probably a sciot tc wit a supercharger, faster than the corolla xrs, and much more reliable than the spec v

or just get a maxima and supercharge/turbo that and be hell of alot faster than ether one.

also just out of curiosity, why did you sell your DEH-P860MP? i have the cheaper 8600 and i think it kicks ass, did it break or somthing?

landshark155mph
11-28-2004, 02:58 AM
And you need to present a coherent argument to me, consisting of more than one line, why I'm full of shit.

i don't argue. :disappoin i just state common sense. :thumbsup: go look up your facts before you start preaching, :nono: but here you go. first the tib is not unreliable. read this. http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2004-04-28-jdpower-quality-report_x.htm?POE=MONISVA

i get about 20-25 mpg on average. :p which isn't bad. considering i'm modded.

but i understand its still a hyundai. and will always be a hyundai.

kman10587
11-28-2004, 04:48 AM
It weighs 3000 pounds (which is ridiculous for a sport compact), so it has to use a V6 engine to get good acceleration times, which in turn hurts its gas mileage. The handling isn't all that great for this class, either. I won't argue reliability; I realize that the Koreans are improving, but they're still nowhere near the Japanese, IMO.

k3smostwanted
11-28-2004, 05:48 AM
I won't argue reliability; I realize that the Koreans are improving, but they're still nowhere near the Japanese, IMO.

hell, i think they are just as good as japanese. they cant be too unreliable if all hyundai's come with a 10 year powertrain warantee plus other warantees that cover just about everything under the sun.

i dont really know the waranty's on hondas by heart. so i looked them up on their website and i came across a 3 year/45,000 mile warranty for the civic and a 4 year/50,000 mile warranty for the RSX.

im not saying this makes honda's unreliable by all means, but hyundai does offer a better warranty so obviously they believe that what they make is reliable and will last.

just my :2cents:

S2CorollaR
11-28-2004, 11:20 AM
Thanks for all the heads up guys.

In reply to the Turbo Buick:

Two things. One, I am looking for something with potential to do well on the track as well, not just the strip. I'm not from the mid west, where only straight line speed counts :P

Two, I am looking for something made in the last 5 years that I can get financed, because I only have about 2500-3000 cash on me but I make enough a month to handle the payments.

In reply to the Nissan suggestions: As much as an SR20DET swap makes me drool, I want something that I won't have to worry about visual tests or registration in regards to. let's put it this way, if I get a car that will have a swapped motor, I want my insurance company to know about it and insure it because I live in California, and yes, I know that insurance will rocket a lot if I have a swapped engine worth over 2,000 dollars, but paying 30 bucks more a month to have my motor insured, is a lot better than waking up one day with my hood broken and having nothing to make up for it.

Like I said, I'm going financed, and if I don't go financed, I'll probably go Civic Swap.... I know it's done a lot and played out a lot but frankly, I don't see any other way to get good gas milage and mid to low 15's for less than 3000 dollars that's legal in the state of California.

S2CorollaR
11-28-2004, 11:24 AM
Oh and in reply to the Hyundai:

It defeats one of the big variables I listed: Gas milage.

20-25 MPG is terrible man!! Even S2000's get better gas milage than that, and I'd have an easier time getting a chick into an S2000 than in a Tiburon, I don't care what body kit you have ;)

And no offense, but 3000 pounds is incredibly heavy for a FWD car. In RWD cars at least the weight distribution and handling makes up for the weight (depending on the car we're talking about), but when it's FWD you'll already have trouble with steering on courses, and add a heavy stock weight and you'll run into some conflictions.

Polygon
11-30-2004, 09:21 PM
If you want my honest opinion then I can tell you that you can have your cake and eat it too. However, the car I am going to suggest is an older car and is extremely hard to find. I know you said you didn't want a later model car but I am still going to throw this out there because, if you can find one for sale, you can find a great condition car that will cost you between $3,000 and $6,000. For that price it will be in mint condition with low miles and will drive tight just like a newer car. Most will say I'm biased, and I really am, but I would suggest buying a 1989 Chrysler LeBaron GTC Turbo II or a 1990 LeBaron GTC Turbo IV. I have owned two 89s and one 90.

The 1990 GTC has a nicer looking interior than the 1989 model year so some people like them more. However, they only made 123 of the hardtop Turbo IV GTCs in 1990 making them rather hard to find let alone for sale. The only differences between the 89 TII and the 90 TIV mechanically are that the TII used a Garrett T03 ball bearing intercooled turbo while the Turbo IV used a Garrett VNT 25 ball bearing, intercooled, variable nozzle turbo. The Turbo IV used balance shafts while the Turbo II did not. Performance, gas mileage, and insurance will be pretty much the same for the two. The only thing that should really help you make your decision on which one you want is the interior and how much faster you want to make the car. The Turbo II is much easier to work on, has more aftermarket support, and can be made to much faster much easier than the Turbo IV. So if you plan to run 12s or faster then the Turbo II is the way to go. If you want to stay stock or run around the 12s then the Turbo IV is fine.

As far as performance goes you can expect most of these cars to run in the mid to low 15s. My first 89 TII GTC ran a 14.6 @ 98 MPH and it was dead stock on street radials. However, for about $2,000 or less you can be running in the 12s. Both of my 89s weigh about 2,800 pounds. They get around 30 MPG as long as you don't floor it all the time. Insurance is about $80 per month for full coverage because the car is considered a luxury car. Personally I think they are a great looking car and they don't give you a boy racer image. Not to mention they don't attract much attention from the police and they make great sleepers. They are also very reliable cars if you keep the oil changed and let the turbo cool before you shut off the car. I've never had a problem with mine that was because of my own stupidity. Also, they don’t handle bad either and have a good set of brakes.

If you're interested let me know and I can give you more details. You can look at both of my 89 TII GTCs by clicking the links in my sig. The red one was my first one which was totaled in an accident. The silver one is my current project car. I only paid $600 for it, so just imagine what a $3,000+ example will get you. However, like I said, these cars are rare and are hard to find at all let alone for sale.

If you're not interested then good luck in your search.

S2CorollaR
12-01-2004, 01:22 AM
You know what...

I am interested.

I know that car isn't a car that will get me laid every weekend... But I don't think that's what I'm looking for. I want a car that wants me and to be honest... I think being a college student, I won't be pulled over just for breathing oxygen if I'm driving a LeBaron. Despite what people say, I know Chrysler is a very good reliable company, and the fact that this car has been around for so many years, I'm sure I won't suffer from having a bad lemon on new parts.

Alright guys I've decided, thanks for all the heads ups. I think being 21, employed and going to school, I shouldn't dopple myself with car payments and the risk of getting my car broken into.

WESLEY PIPES
12-03-2004, 01:20 PM
I kind of wanted to avoid V6's, but yeah I know the Tiburon responds well to mods. I love how they look stock too, but insurance/gas milage are my big leaners right now.

Question, is there an exhaust for GSR that wouldn't be ridiculously loud?

:EDIT:

Yeah... I think the Mazdaspeed is really nice, the problem is it's hard to get a black one, which is kind of the color I'm leaning toward.

To be honest I rate the Mazdaspeed above the GSR because it's not as common and handles like a dream, stock.

MAYBE I CAN HELP YOU A LITTLE. I JUST SOLD MY CELICA GT-S AND BOUGHT A '04 ION REDLINE. I CAN TELL YOU STRAIGHT UP THE ION IS 10X QUICKER THAN MY CELICA WAS. MY PAYMENT IS LOWER,MY INS. IS LOWER AND I HAVE A BRAND NEW SUPERCHARGED CAR FOR UNDER 20K. WITH IT BEING THE END OF THE YEAR, I KNOW FOR A FACT YOU CAN GET A DEAL ON ONE. I WORK FOR SATURN AND ENDED UP GETTING MINE FOR $17,600 W/ 0 PERCENT FINANCING. INSURANCE COMPANY'S LOVE SATURNS FOR THEIR CRASH RATING AND THE POLYMER PANLES. I HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU AT LEAST GO DRIVE ONE. IF YOU WANNA GO UNCOMMON, THIS IS A GOOD CHOICE. I HAVEN'T SEEN ONE ON THE ROAD SINCE I BOUGHT MINE. I GOT THE BLACK ONE ALSO.

WESLEY PIPES
12-03-2004, 01:26 PM
THE REDLINE IS RATED @ 205 HP AT THE FLYWHEEL. GM HAS SOME HOW FOUND A WAY TO KEEP THE POWER FROM THE FLYWHEEL TO THE WHEELS. IT'S 197HP @ THE WHEELS. WITH A LSD COMING IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS, AND EATON'S PLANS FOR A BIGGER BLOWER, THE DREAMS ARE ENDLESS. YOU CAN PUMP OUT ALOT OF POWER IN THE 2.0 ECOTECH ENGINE. LOOK AT LISA KUBO, SHE SWITCHED FROM A HONDA HATCH, TO AN ION. AND SHE'S RUNNIN 9'S ALL DAY LONG. :screwy: CRAZY MAN.



2004 SATURN ION REDLINE, BONE STOCK.
NEAR FUTURE: BIGGER WHEELS,LSD,BIGGER BLOWER.

S2CorollaR
12-03-2004, 02:01 PM
Stop yelling at me, I'm sensitive

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