BMW vs. Mercedes

I know this is very broad question considering the numerous models both of these companies produce. However, in your mind, which company offers most bang for your buck. If you had to buy a new 2005 BMW or Mercedes which would you choose and why? (I mean comparing cars with similar engines and specs, not a 545i to a Mercedes wagon.) Thnx.

I love both companies but im a BMdub nazi 4life. I just like them because they seem to be more performance orientated then Mercedes.

BMW. Benz offers conventional manual trannies on very few of their cars, and their cars are also boringly styled and overpriced.

What I would like to see is the merc twin turbo engines in BMW chassis with proper manual gearboxes.

i like and dislike attributes of both. i like that bmw is more sporty in nature, they're more of a driver's car than merc. but i prefer the styling and elegance of the benzes. both exterior and interior. just my personal tastes. it's a toss up. i wish mercs were more sporty and i wish bmw was more elegant and not so extreme in styling. but i tend to lean towards mercedes.

BMW, easy decision for me. Anyone who has read my posts would know that im just about the biggest bimmer-lover on this entire site.

Being a "car guy," I like my cars to be "driver's cars." Cars that I would buy need to be built with the driver in mind and the passengers come second. Cars should be fun to drive. Mercedes does not fit into this discription. The Benz's are cars to be driven in, not cars to drive. I could never have the joy from an Automatic (which all AMG cars are) that I get from SMG or from a manual. When Mercedes is compared to BMW, or most any company for that matter, virtually every magazine says that Mercedes feels "disconnected from the driver."

For styling, I feel each company shows what they do best. The Benz's are elegant at best boring and sedate at worst. Elegance works for a big luxury car like the S-Class, and even the E-Class, but cars that should be a little more radical, like the SL-Class and the AMG cars, share the same styling cues as the rest of the line up.
BMW's styling is anything but sedate. BMW's, especially Chris Bangle's designs were made to stand out. Unless you see the AMG on the back of a Benz, you'd never be able to differentiate it from a similar model without a well trained eye, where as the M3 and M5 are pretty distinct from their base models (IMO). Cars that should look sporty, like the Z4, M3, and 6-series do. The only problem I see is that cars that should be a little calmer, like big luxury boats aren't (7-series).

BMW...stick available...great motors...good steering...excelllent handling...nuff said

Its such an easy comparison because each company is so fundamentally different. But if you are going to join a car forum, then you obviously like drivers cars....not snooty auto pure status cars.......so yeah my choice easily is bmw...they are insanely fun to drive and every bmw has a ton of r&d in it

Benz all the way!

I've owned a fair few BMW's, and heaps of Mercedes, and had more problems with the BM's:

In 64, I had a new 230SL. I still own it to this day with only one problem since I purchased it, and that was that it didn't start on afternoon in 2001.

1972, 250CE. Had it 6 years, no problems.
1978, 450SEL. 7 years, great car absolutly no problems.
1982, 450SL. 6 years. Sweet as a nut.
1985, 500SE. 4 years. Electric window failed in the rear.
1988, 560SL. 2 years. Not a glitch
1989, 560SEL. 3 years with a power stearing faliure after 2 years
1990, 500SL. 4 years and No problems
1992, Second hand '56 300SL Gullwing, Still own it. Few minor problems... nothing tha TLC couldn't fix.
1994, SL600. 3 years. No worries.
1995, S600. 2 years, Electric rear roller blind jammed.
1997, E55 AMG. 8 months old, written off. but no problems prior.
1997, SL60 AMG.5 years. Rattle on the dash for the first 2 weeks, but then disapeered.
1998, S500. 2 and a half years. Rolled it and wrote it off. Climate controll issues prior to that.
2000, S500. 3 years, no worries.
2002, SL55 AMG. 1 year, Brilliant Car
2003, S600 V12. Still own it, but is being replaced by CLS55. No problems.
2003, SL600 V12. 1 year. Even better than the SL55. No problems.
2004, SL65 V12. The jewl in the crown. Fabulous.

As for BMW's...

1984, 635CSi. 3 years, it never caused a problem.
1987, M5 (E28). Gearbox failed. Was sent back.
1991. M5 3.8, 2 years rear suspension difficulties.
1994. 740i V8. 3 months, engine blew up!
1996. 750Li V12. 6 weeks. Constant and total electronics failure.
2003. X5 4.6iS. 1 year, no problems, but changed for the 4.8.
2003. 745i. 2 months. I-drive was incomprehendable, and switched to german without reason.
2004. X5 4.8iS. No problems. Still have it.

So out of 19 Mercedes i've had 5 quite minor problems.
Out of 8 BMW's, I've had 5 quite big problems.

MB it is.

We went to europe for a holiday we did a shit load of driving we rented both BMW and Mercedes, to be honest with I always loved BMW but after being in both cars for long periods of time you really get to notice everything, we drove in a new 3 series and 5 series BMW and a C class (C220) and Eclass Mercedes (E240). Ok when it comes to interior Mercedes kicks BMW, when it comes to stock sound systems Mercedes edges over BMW, when it comes to acceleration BMW is better, the handling was the same, the Looks i honestly think are both Mad, but these are just my opinions

I'll have a BMW everyday of the week. They offer manual gearboxes on every car except the 7 series (Which is better off without one) and they are designed with the driver in mind.


Add to that, they don't look as crass as most Mercedes (My opinion being that Mercedes with the exception of the first SL and the very latest CL and SL have always been ugly), of course Bangle made a bit of a cock-up on the 5 series, I'll certainly admit that, BUT the 1 series, 7 series, Z4, 6 series and forthcoming 3 series (which was de-Bangled IIRC) look fabulous.

Recent quality surveys in Europe, UK and the United States also show that BMW's build quality is far better than that of Mercedes of late.

Though in Mercedes' favour, they certainly have better interiors than BMW.

Recent quality surveys in Europe, UK and the United States also show that BMW's build quality is far better than that of Mercedes of late.

I'm afraid I just can't agree with that. I will admid that the service from mercedes retailers is shocking but as said above, have experienced more problems with BMW than any other manufacturer.

Its fair to say, that I have owned a Mercedes through thick and thin, only I have never really seen a big problem.

And manual transmisions aren't the be all and end all. Mercedes, along with Jaguar, are acclaimed worldwide for their auto boxes, and my SL's have always provided me with "sports car thrills".

We went to europe for a holiday we did a shit load of driving we rented both BMW and Mercedes, to be honest with I always loved BMW but after being in both cars for long periods of time you really get to notice everything, we drove in a new 3 series and 5 series BMW and a C class (C220) and Eclass Mercedes (E240). Ok when it comes to interior Mercedes kicks BMW, when it comes to stock sound systems Mercedes edges over BMW, when it comes to acceleration BMW is better, the handling was the same, the Looks i honestly think are both Mad, but these are just my opinions


Thats what I've been saying...Mercedes is all about style, luxury and comfort while BMW is bout performance, handling ect...its all a matter of what you want more

Honestly, if I had to pay full price for them, I wouldn't buy either. German cars today are far too unreliable and overpriced for me to spend that much money.

But, if I had to buy on or the other I'd choose a Mercedes since I work for the damn company and get discounts. I also know the vehicles front to back and inside and out so even if the vehicle is unreliable I can fix it at a minimal cost

And if someone were to just give me one of the vehicles I STILL say Mercedes. I mean, honestly, SL65, CL65, SLR. :rolleyes: BMW needs to hang their heads and sulk in the corner. 738 lb-ft. of torque > Manual gearbox.

And if someone were to just give me one of the vehicles I STILL say Mercedes. I mean, honestly, SL65, CL65, SLR. :rolleyes: BMW needs to hang their heads and sulk in the corner. 738 lb-ft. of torque > Manual gearbox.
Personally i place driver involvement above sheer pace so i would have to choose BMW. The SL65, CL65, and SLR are all massively potent and blisteringly quick, but none of them is a driver's car. I think Merc's power craze is completely pointless. Sure, the 65's have 600bhp, but they need it weighing in at a ridiculous 2 tonnes +. Yeah, they're quick in a straight line but that's about it. Braking and handling? Lose 500kg's. Besides, what's next for Benz? If they're playing the numbers game, 700bhp isn't too far away and how sensible is that in a road car?

Even their lesser powered models, such as the SL55AMG, which has been praised for its balance and handling, have nannying TC systems that don't allow the driver to really drive the car. Like i said, give me a BMW any day of the week. Merc can play the power game on their own.

I strongly disagree with all of who think BMW is more sportier than Mercedes.....Get the BMW for the lavish interiors and get the Benz's for the performance....I find the BMW line-up rather weak performance-wise(except the M models) while Mercedes-Benz has a full line-up of performance vehicles and have way sexier interiors

I strongly disagree with all of who think BMW is more sportier than Mercedes.....Get the BMW for the lavish interiors and get the Benz's for the performance....I find the BMW line-up rather weak performance-wise(except the M models) while Mercedes-Benz has a full line-up of performance vehicles and have way sexier interiors
uhhh... same old story...

A C55 AMG has more power, more torque, is more accelerative, and has a higher top speed than an E30 M3.

Which one's sportier?

I strongly disagree with all of who think BMW is more sportier than Mercedes.....Get the BMW for the lavish interiors and get the Benz's for the performance....I find the BMW line-up rather weak performance-wise(except the M models) while Mercedes-Benz has a full line-up of performance vehicles and have way sexier interiors

Sportiness is not just about engine output. It is about handling and driver involvement. Also, when compared to comparably priced cars, BMW out-muscles most MBs.

BMW 325i- $29,000- 184 hp
MB C240- $32,000- 168 hp

BMW 330i- $35,000- 225 hp
MB C320- $38,000- 215 hp

BMW 530i- $46,000- 225 hp
MB E320- $49,000- 221 hp

BMW M5 (E60)- ~$80,000 to $90,000- 500 hp
MB E55 AMG- $80,000- 469 hp

BMW 645Ci- $70,000- 325hp
MB CLK500- $55,000- 302hp
MB CL500- $95,000- 302hp

BMW 745Li- $75,000- 325 hp
MB S500- $85,000- 302 hp

These cars (especially the C-Class and 3-Series) are the most common cars these companies make, and BMW out muscles all of them. In fact, the M3 and Z4 3.0 are the only BMWs that are weaker then comparable MBs (C55 and SLK350).

Go test drive BMW 3-series, and then test drive a Benz C-Class. I (and every comparison I've ever seen) have the BMW being the better car.

My SL handles fine. The S class is a little soft and wallowey, but the SL is hard to beat.

BMW may be more driver focused, but the times that BMW have let me down, kind of make driver involvement pointless when you can't drive the thing.

Merc are working on a 69AMG range at the moment. They are pioneering the power game. And from what i've seen, very succsesfully.

MB all the way.... it's same ole' story over and over again with the bimmer lovers.... handling, sniff, sniff, sporty, sniff sniff, manual tranny, wahhh..

how many BMW's really that sporty and handle that well to hold it's own on a roadcourse?? one? two? the M3?

you can play the whining game while the Merc's leave ya in the dust, from 0 to each's electronically limited top speed..... I just don't see how anyone can complain about 500-600 HP reliable, streetable, luxury cars....




give me a BMW any day of the week. Merc can play the power game on their own.

oh sure, leave out all the MB's that BMW doesn't have ANY competition for....

SLR
SL55,SL600,SL65
S55,S600,S65
CL55,CL600,CL65
SLK55
C55



BMW 325i- $29,000- 184 hp
MB C240- $32,000- 168 hp

BMW 330i- $35,000- 225 hp
MB C320- $38,000- 215 hp

BMW 530i- $46,000- 225 hp
MB E320- $49,000- 221 hp

BMW M5 (E60)- ~$80,000 to $90,000- 500 hp
MB E55 AMG- $80,000- 469 hp

BMW 645Ci- $70,000- 325hp
MB CLK500- $55,000- 302hp
MB CL500- $95,000- 302hp

BMW 745Li- $75,000- 325 hp
MB S500- $85,000- 302 hp

Just because BMW doesnt manufacture 48 different cars doesn't mean they are inferior... BMW focuses on r&d and getting the most out of every part it makes....any car company can turbo, twin turbo (mabe not so much), and supercharge their cars to make them faster....but not every car company can increase hp while keeping size, and losing weight (E60 M5)

oh sure, leave out all the MB's that BMW doesn't have ANY competition for....

SLR
SL55,SL600,SL65
S55,S600,S65
CL55,CL600,CL65
SLK55
C55

I will admit, Benz makes very good engines, possibly better at turbo and supercharging technology then any other company on the planet, but power alone doesn't make a company good, neither does range of models.

The 760Li is competition for the bigger S-Class sedans, I just didnt see fit to mention such a small portion of cars sold by either company. A V10 powered M6 will be competition for the CL cars (yes I know, it isn't out yet, but im arguing it anyways). I did mention below my list that the only cars that BMW and MB have that are comparable that Benz has more power then are the Z4 3.0 v. SLK350 and the M3 v. C55. Yes, BMW does not have competition for the SL Class, and Benz did a very good job in that car, however for the price, I wouldn't get one. Finally, I would personally argue that the McLaren F1 is close enough to BMW to call it one, and is better then the SLR.

My point is that my list of hp comparisons is not designed to discount those Benz's models, but to show that BMW does make cars that are stronger then their Benz counterparts. Those cars are the best selling cars these two companies make. Burntrice was quoted as saying that BMW isnt very performance minded. I was only trying to show him that when Benz and BMW compare cars, BMW actually has more output.

I think our problem is that you are judging a car company based on its highest price cars, in which BMW will lose, simply because the fastest BMW costs a fraction of what the fastest Benz costs. I on the other hand am judging the companies based on the bulk of the cars they make. The average middle class American can't afford a SL class or a 760, but they can afford a 3-Series or a C-Class, or even a E-Class, M3, or 5-series if they really want it; and when you compare these lower cost, better selling cars, I firmly believe that BMW makes a better product. Benz emphasizes their very upscale, expensive cars, while BMW emphasizes cars that most people are able to buy.

MB all the way.... it's same ole' story over and over again with the bimmer lovers.... handling, sniff, sniff, sporty, sniff sniff, manual tranny, wahhh..

It's simply a more sophisticated outlook on what makes a good car. Since you're clearly not bothered, slap on a V8 and some wheels to a bathtub, that should make for great acceleration and therefore a really good 'car' :rolleyes:


how many BMW's really that sporty and handle that well to hold it's own on a roadcourse?? one? two? the M3?

Is there a single MB which you'd take to a track? You clearly don't get it. BMW's emphasis on sportiness is apparent no matter which BMW you drive. Even a base 318i will reward you in a way that the equivalent C, or A4 couldn't.

you can play the whining game while the Merc's leave ya in the dust, from 0 to each's electronically limited top speed..... I just don't see how anyone can complain about 500-600 HP reliable, streetable, luxury cars....
uhhh.... stick to drag racing.

It's simply a more sophisticated outlook on what makes a good car. Since you're clearly not bothered, slap on a V8 and some wheels to a bathtub, that should make for great acceleration and therefore a really good 'car' :rolleyes:


Is there a single MB which you'd take to a track? You clearly don't get it. BMW's emphasis on sportiness is apparent no matter which BMW you drive. Even a base 318i will reward you in a way that the equivalent C, or A4 couldn't.


uhhh.... stick to drag racing.

AMEN BROTHA!

Note:

Bimmer vs. Benz comparisons only work in the US. In the rest of the world, the companies fill very different nooks. Mercedes makes EVERYTHING from vans to semi trucks to buses to airplane engines for europe, and many other places other than North America. BMW only makes cars, in europe, North America, and elsewhere.

I think Jay brings up a very good point.



So what if Mercedes Benz are winning this power game? Sticking a thumping V8 in a boat-like chassis and chucking in some fancy gadgets that always broke down never worked for the Americans and by god it won't make a Mercedes a good car either.

That's not to say they're good cars, they're fabulous if you're a footballers wife, a rockstar a merchant banker, a pimp or over 60, but if you're a driver, simple logic will tell you to take the BMW and it's not hard to see why, 50/50 weight distribution, manual gearboxes, cars that don't weigh similar to an SUV are only the beginning of the reasons for choosing the BMW.


You know I never even began to touch on how overpriced Mercs are compared to BMW's......

that's my point.... I probably wouldn't take any car from MB or BMW to the track..... for everyday driving, in their respective "sportier" models, neither would make you uncomfortable with their handling...

true, I'm comparing the top end..... and on the low end BMW does have it's advantages..... but if you're really looking at what people can afford, you should be talking about normal cars, not luxury cars from BMW and MB.....

anyway, if I'm going to the track, I'm taking my Viper GTS..... otherwise I'm in my C32 AMG.... which has plenty of power, 4 doors, and decent handling for getting to work and back.... If BMW has a competitor to the C32/C55, like say, an M3 sedan, I would probably have my deposit down on one....

To those who say Mercedes can't make a car that's fun to drive on the street and track.....

Have you guys even driven an SL, CL, or new SLK? I'm willing to bet that they handle a lot better than your diriving skills can cope with.

Sounds like all your arguments are taken straight out of magazines. It sounds like you guys have no personal experience with these vehicles at all. I don't know this for sure, it's just what it sounds like.

My personal opinion, even though it won't be taken well in this thread, is that BMW and Mercedes are both unreliable German crap. Both companies have gotten in a battle of who can offer the most gadgets and the most technologically advanced systems and a lot of these systems are rushed to delivery and fail in the real world. I'll take a new body style Cadillac or Lexus and not have to worry about taking it into the shop every 5000 miles for the routine optional equipment failure. And save a good $20,000 to boot. :bigthumb:

One quick question for the Bimmer fans. Does BMW even offer a system close to Mercedes Active Body Control?

blindside.AMG.... My C32 has been just as reliable as the GS400 that I traded in......... Lexus is slacking in the performance dept.... the GS400, "was" the quickest 4 door with an automatic in it's day..... but they haven't touched the car in like 7 years... we'll see how the upcoming the GS does.... I went and looked at the caddy's not too long ago... the interior is just terrible....

BMW's I would not put in the unreliable catagorey, for a start, I have had 40,000-odd (On top of the 37,000 that were on the car when I bought it) trouble-free km's with my 330Ci and a fair few of those km's have come from trashing it at the track.

I know of plenty of other 3 series and 5 series owners (Popular choice of car for Upper middle class accountants, of course) who can vouch for trouble free (Or close to at the very least) experiences). Add to that, BMW have yet to be slammed in any reliability survey that I am aware of (JD Power US, BBC Top Gear survey, JD Power UK and the one in Germany of which the name escapes me have all placed BMW just behind most Japanese makers and Skoda), of course I am in no way saying reliability surveys are in anyway fully reliable, but I suppose they are there for an indication at the least.

I'd imagine that working as a Mercedes technician you'd probably have a fair picture of MErcedes reliablity.

As for my experience in Mercedes: I've driven the SL500, but yet to drive the latest CL (Have however driven the previous model CL600, which is rather irrelevant to this discussion) or the new SLK (The new SLK being one I am reserving judgement of, but am still skeptical about it, considering the last SLK had extremely numb steering.), though I can only imagine that the CL would handle just the same as the SL. The SL was far too heavy for my liking, it was probably one of the best Mercs I've ever driven, but I'd still take a 645Ci before an SL500. BMW always have and still do have the edge in chassis' that's all I'm trying to say.

All I can say is I know a guy who's had three BMW 5 Series, and two of them have passed 200,000 miles with zero problems. The third one is a 2002 and it's already starting to have issues. So yes, I think that nowadays, the German cars are overpriced and built like crap. I'll take a Lexus IS 300 or an Infiniti G35 over any entry-level Germans any day.

My uncle has an IS300, drives it like he's 17, and it has never had one problem. His wife traded in her Hemi Dodge Ram for a baseline BMW (Yeah... I know... Ouch... Hemi =( .... ) and so far she's had it taken to the dealership about 3 times in one year of ownership. She said the problems she comes across don't make it undrivable, but they just make lights go off and she can't take it to a regular mechanic because it's German. The BMW dealership she bought it from is 120 miles from where she lives so she's always inconvenienced.

If I had to choose, I'd probably go with Mercedes, since I'm a student and on campus I see more BMW's than Mercedes. My reasoning is this: If I'm going to use an unreliable, overpriced hunk of expensive metal, I might as well use the one that scores me points with the chicks.

All I can say is I know a guy who's had three BMW 5 Series, and two of them have passed 200,000 miles with zero problems. The third one is a 2002 and it's already starting to have issues. So yes, I think that nowadays, the German cars are overpriced and built like crap. I'll take a Lexus IS 300 or an Infiniti G35 over any entry-level Germans any day.
Built like crap? A Fiat is built like crap, an Alfa Romeo is built like crap. A German car is a well-built solid car that is a lottery as far as electrical systems go. Typically.

Yeah, now that I think about it, all of the problems are with the electrical systems. I don't doubt the German's sense of metallurgy for a second :)

To those who say Mercedes can't make a car that's fun to drive on the street and track.....

Have you guys even driven an SL, CL, or new SLK? I'm willing to bet that they handle a lot better than your diriving skills can cope with.

Ive driven a CL500 and an SL500, but not the new SLK. Neither of them felt overly sporty or at all communicative, in fact the CL was just like driving a big MB saloon.

As for BMW reliability its record in the JD power survey is far superior to MB's and speaks for itself.

As for BMW reliability its record in the JD power survey is far superior to MB's and speaks for itself.

Well, both brands make very solid "cars", but all the extra crap that they put in there is ridiculous. Most of it you would never even want or need, and it merely overcomplicates the car (as well as weighs it down and makes it more expensive). All those little things are costly to repair as well since you usually need to take the car to the dealer to get them fixed, which is never fun because German dealerships are not exactly known for their award-winning customer service. When it comes to engine, transmission, chassis, and suspension, the Germans are king, but they're lacking just about everywhere else.

Thankfully, this is only really a problem on their newer cars. The E36 3 Series and C280 are still great buys on the used market.

Well, both brands make very solid "cars", but all the extra crap that they put in there is ridiculous. Most of it you would never even want or need, and it merely overcomplicates the car (as well as weighs it down and makes it more expensive). All those little things are costly to repair as well since you usually need to take the car to the dealer to get them fixed, which is never fun because German dealerships are not exactly known for their award-winning customer service. When it comes to engine, transmission, chassis, and suspension, the Germans are king, but they're lacking just about everywhere else.

Thankfully, this is only really a problem on their newer cars. The E36 3 Series and C280 are still great buys on the used market.
actually, the E46 has carved itself out a better reputation for reliability than the E36 (Which had various niggling problems and was nowhere near as solid as the E46 is).

But I do agree with these gadgets being unessecary (Sorry, never been able to spell the word properly), iDrive is a pretty good example, although there have only been a few known glitches (and there are software updates that fix them, so you have a BMW 745i V1.1 :p), it can be a pain to get used to, especially in the 7 series and I personally find buttons far more logical.

I agree with Idrive being overly complicated, but I can understand the reasoning behind it. Cars were starting to get more and more gadgets, to the point that there was about to be far too many buttons and switches covering the dash, making it look more like the cockpit of an airplane then the interior of a car. Using a computer was pretty much the only way they could go. I personally find using computers better then tons of individual controls. My only wish is that they would have perfected the programming and made it a bit easier to use.

As for reliability and satisfaction... I know I read an article in Consumer Reports where they called the E39 "the best car they've ever driven." I've personally seen more then one E36 3-Series with over 300,000 miles on them. JD Power also gave their highest marks in their respective segments to the NEW 5 and 7 series for their "most appealing car study." The new 5 and 7 series may have some electronics problems, but as a whole, over the last 20 years or so, BMW reliability has been pretty outstanding.

mmmhhmhmmm... bimmers all the way! m3 is just too badass. benz are nice but they dont really offer a bang for your buck.

As for reliability and satisfaction... I know I read an article in Consumer Reports where they called the E39 "the best car they've ever driven." I've personally seen more then one E36 3-Series with over 300,000 miles on them. JD Power also gave their highest marks in their respective segments to the NEW 5 and 7 series for their "most appealing car study." The new 5 and 7 series may have some electronics problems, but as a whole, over the last 20 years or so, BMW reliability has been pretty outstanding.

Exactly, I've seen it first-hand numerous times and I would have no problem buying a used BMW. I just wish the dealers weren't always such assholes (they laughed at my mom when she asked why the 5 Series didn't have rear cupholders), and I wish the cars didn't have so many features that I don't want or need. All I need on my center console is air conditioning, a CD player, and some decent-sized cupholders.

And I've seen it first hand that BMW have let me down, time and time again, decade after decade. I like them, but if/when I want to but one, I have the car for 2 weeks on a "tester" period, just to make sure that it's not going to be another bag of botls.

For the money that these permium brands charge for owning these cars, I want perfection. Something that Mercedes has proved very good at over the last 45 years. BMW just keep falling short.

I got a plan. Just buy both BMW and Merc. This way you can taste the red apple, and the green one. All there is to do now is figure out how to afford both. Whichever apple taste better, you'll know which one you like more. Personally, I like red apples. :licka:

B AD
M ANS
W HEELS

need i say more?!

ummmm ya... I have seen BMW at its best and at its worst... in my friends dads 5-series when the door handle fell off, and when it overheated (leaking coolant, we didnt know until then)....BUT I have also seen the amazing performance, handling and braking (E36 330, BOSS!) of the bmw and it is truly a drivers car. it was painful to go back to my rsx after that.

I just personally find that the majority of Merc owners buy their car for the sake of telling everybody they have a Mercedes, not for its drivability... If you do own a Mercedes for that, all power to you, but I think you would be happier in a BMW

ummmm ya... I have seen BMW at its best and at its worst... in my friends dads 5-series when the door handle fell off, and when it overheated (leaking coolant, we didnt know until then)....BUT I have also seen the amazing performance, handling and braking (E36 330, BOSS!) of the bmw and it is truly a drivers car. it was painful to go back to my rsx after that.

I just personally find that the majority of Merc owners buy their car for the sake of telling everybody they have a Mercedes, not for its drivability... If you do own a Mercedes for that, all power to you, but I think you would be happier in a BMW

I'm far happier in my mercedes, and not just because of the star on the bonet.

Telling people you own a Mercedes is nothing special these days. Cheeper modles like the A and C class have turned Mercedes into a mass market company, and I don't think its a bad thing. It eliminated the pethetic banter that you would expect on the car park of the country golf club, whith two sad old men in tweed and knitted jumpers, argueing over who's is better.

As long as the minor quality issues continue to be resolved, we could se a super power on our hands before long.