S7 vs Mosler?

jcsaleen

11-04-2004, 08:45 PM

speed_star

11-04-2004, 08:54 PM

If money wasn't a problem I'd take a Saleen S7 over a Molser. Better looks IMO and probably better build quality.

GTStang

11-04-2004, 10:39 PM

There very close and I'm not sure of the price of the Mosler but I would choose the S7. The S7 although not completely comfortable on the street is fairly liveable unlike the Mosler while just pure joy to drive on a track is also pure misery on the street.

Stratoraptor

11-04-2004, 11:01 PM

Neutrino

11-04-2004, 11:19 PM

Neither will be a comfy ride. However on the Mosler will depend on the model, the S will be far more civilised than the Photon.

Performance wise my vote goes to the photon, that thing is barelly heavier than an elise. And furthermore GTstang you need to take a look at the Mosler's engine then at your sig;)

Layla's Keeper

11-05-2004, 03:59 AM

Mosler. It's the American equivalent of a Radical SR3, except without the wannabe Pilbeam styling.

kfoote

11-05-2004, 07:40 AM

Saleen S7 purely because of reliability. In the 10+ times I've seen a Mosler on track in person, it's run more than 5 laps without some sort of problem once. That was in a 24-hr race in FL, and it made it 1.5 hrs before dropping out. The S7 is FAR more reliable.

Layla's Keeper

11-05-2004, 12:54 PM

GTStang

11-05-2004, 01:59 PM

I haven't heard much about the S7 being great for the streets either.

What do you think the words "The S7 although not completely comfortable on the street is fairly liveable". Do you think I was singing the great praises of the Saleen S7 being like Cadillac when it comes to driving comfort and ride or something?

The Saleen S7 is not a great road car it has blind spots from hell and many other things etc.., But when you compare it to the Mosler Photon it is a 10X better occasionally take a weekend cruise to show-off how bad-ass you are car. So for me that makes it a better car cause I would like to be able to enjoy places other than a race track.

jcsaleen

11-05-2004, 03:02 PM

I agree!

Stratoraptor

11-06-2004, 01:26 AM

What do you think the words "The S7 although not completely comfortable on the street is fairly liveable". Do you think I was singing the great praises of the Saleen S7 being like Cadillac when it comes to driving comfort and ride or something?

The Saleen S7 is not a great road car it has blind spots from hell and many other things etc.., But when you compare it to the Mosler Photon it is a 10X better occasionally take a weekend cruise to show-off how bad-ass you are car. So for me that makes it a better car cause I would like to be able to enjoy places other than a race track.
If you are going to have a ride so rocky that it practically defeats the purpose of having comfort, then what is the point to have one slightly more suitable than the other at the sacrafice of performance? If the S7 is going to be driven only on weekends, why can't the same be done with a Mosler?

My point is if both rides aren't comfortable, there is no point in discriminating.

drunken monkey

11-06-2004, 08:30 AM

something like, a choice between rock hard and er.... rock hard......

c'mon,since when has comfort been an issue with these cars?
an example.
porsche GT3 or GT3 RS?

GTStang

11-06-2004, 01:50 PM

If you are going to have a ride so rocky that it practically defeats the purpose of having comfort, then what is the point to have one slightly more suitable than the other at the sacrafice of performance? If the S7 is going to be driven only on weekends, why can't the same be done with a Mosler?

My point is if both rides aren't comfortable, there is no point in discriminating.

There is a point in discriminating... These are street cars/supercars not race cars put one against an F1, Indy car and the numbers aren't that impressive. So one of them is adequate enough where driving it on a 3-hour trip, half-way down one will not drive you to want to shoot yaself for doing it while the other will.

At the sacrifice of performance.... the sacrifice against the Mosler Photon is very minimial where the addition of comfort and streetability are actually rather large. Even with the S7 being a much better street car it still is no GT car by far. This should speak to you of how large the Mosler's deficiences in this area are.

Stratoraptor

11-06-2004, 03:57 PM

What makes sportscars like the S7, Enzo, Carera GT, Zonda, etc. different from your average Focus or Accord is the emphasis about performance over any other trait a car might have. Just so that we are clear, both the Saleen and the Mosler are being used as race cars in their respective series. They aren't race cars like an F1 or Indy car, but that is a moot point. Are cars like the R8 sportscar prototype and CTS-V race-modded road car not race cars because they don't have the performance of an F1 car?

If I remember correctly, Steve Saleen allowed the construction of the S7 with full intentions of having it raced in a series seeing intensive track testing on an early prototype with a rear wing. And they have been weaseling their way out of adding airbags to their car for some time now. I'm not sure what you are trying to say in those last few lines. How about giving us a few examples about the Mosler's deficiencies?

drunken monkey

11-06-2004, 05:09 PM

.....speaking of comfort, has anyone here seen pics of the interior of the dauer 962?
full leather and even dvd player if you want!
though i think i'd prefer to keep my eyes on the road in a car like that......

jcsaleen

11-06-2004, 08:12 PM

The S7 also has an lcd as well and A/C not sure about the duaer I think so though.

GTStang

11-06-2004, 08:16 PM

If you want one example of the Mosler Photon deficies as a street car how about the Hewland straight-cut manual 6-speed that howls so loud that you can't hear the radio over it for one.

jcsaleen

11-06-2004, 08:22 PM

The truth is No one buys a cars like that for comfort they buy them probly in this order.

Performance
Looks
comfort

Stratoraptor

11-06-2004, 08:46 PM

If you want one example of the Mosler Photon deficies as a street car how about the Hewland straight-cut manual 6-speed that howls so loud that you can't hear the radio over it for one.
for those that can't stand the "Howlin' Hewland" sequential, They could opt for the Porsche G50 standard manual with helical gears as used in chassis #008. It's much quieter for those that feel the need for it.

drunken monkey

11-06-2004, 08:58 PM

wow, that was quick 3 day ban.....

anyway.
yes, if you want the dvd in the dauer, you kinda need to have a screen of some sort.
it would be kinda pointless otherwise.
:rolleyes:

moving on swiftly.......
and who cares about straight cut gears drowning the radio,
they never play anything good anyway.
the elise GT1 (see below :naughty: ) has straight cut gears..... but then it doesn't have a radio...... and isn't exactly a 'commercial' road car.... dammit.

jcsaleen

11-07-2004, 02:19 PM

S7 is the better road car end of story but hey this thread is about what is the better OVERALL car. Id have to go with saleen ~ performance style A hell of a higher topend.

Stratoraptor

11-07-2004, 03:19 PM

Well, top speeds of 160+mph for a road car holds little bearing on practically every stretch of road across the globe be it on the street or on the race track. The MT900S Photon pushes what it means to be a racecar for the road to the very limits, thusly it is more of a race car than the S7 is and performs much better in braking, handling, and acceleration.

To choose which one is a better overall car to have, it depends on the person. How often are you going to your local track? How much performance do you want out of your car? Are you one that believes looks makes all the difference? Do you care about how streetable one car is over the other when the difference is the slightest of margins?

It all depends on the person...

crayzayjay

11-08-2004, 04:01 AM

wow, that was quick 3 day ban.....

A little mis-communication in the mod team. He's back on holiday.

drunken monkey

11-08-2004, 11:32 AM

....sorry.
wasn't trying to question you guys or anything.
just an observation.

kfoote

11-08-2004, 01:17 PM

You're kidding right? The Mosler MT900 with Joao Barbosa at the wheel completely gutted the competition in the GTS class in the Grand-Am series, including winning its class at the 24hours of Daytona. Moslers also dominate in the British GT championship, beating the tar out of TVR Tuscans, Chrysler Vipers, Morgan Aero 8 coupes, and Lister Storms.

The Saleen's current biggest success is I believe a few class wins in the FIA GT. The car is almost the spectacular failure in the ALMS that the Lamborghini Murciealage R-GT was, and never matched the success of the Mosler MT900 WHICH IT COMPETED WITH in the Grand-Am.

Face it, the Mosler has the better competition record.

The Mosler has done well in Europe in the shorter GT races, and it did win the GTS class at the 24 hours of Daytona in 2003...54 laps behind the GT winning car, even though it's fastest lap time was faster. That means that it lost nearly 2 hours to the (slower on track) GT car somewhere, though I do not remember the exact details of it. I believe they also won their class at the 24 hours of Bathurst a couple of years ago, but generally their mechanical reliability over time has generally not been nearly as good as the Saleen S7R.

Stratoraptor

11-10-2004, 01:50 AM

Regardless of mehanical reliability, the point remains the same: The MT900R is a success on the track more so than the S7-R.

Regarding what happened at Daytona 2003, the winning GTS Mosler had a 20 second penalty stop for having too many crew members over the pit wall. It also suffered a gearbox problem in the 10th hour and at the end of the 21st hour it pitted to assess a cooling problem. From their it passed the Corvette to win in GTS with a the #30 MT900R finishing 3rd in class. The #7 S7-R however was in the pits for almost a half hour trying to repair a chassis problem finishing 41 laps behind the GTS winner and 100 laps behind the overall winner.

Part of the beauty of the MT900R is that if something breaks, depending on what it is it can be repaired easily and -- more impartantly -- quickly.

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