-- Best engine comparison --

In your opinion which car manufacturer produces the best engine in each of these segments:

Naturally Aspirated

In line 4 cylinder -
In line 6 cylinder -
V6 cylinder -
V8 cylinder -
V-10 -
V-12 -

Forced Introduction (Turbo/Super)

In line 4 cylinder -
In line 6 cylinder -
V6 cylinder -
V8 cylinder -
V-10 -
V-12 -

Feel free to add another category.
MexSiR

Naturally Aspirated

In line 4 cylinder - Honda (ITR engine from 97) or S2k engine
In line 6 cylinder - E46 M3 engine
V6 cylinder - Nissan (VQ35DE...marvelous engine)
V8 cylinder - Dodge (Hemi)
V-10 - Porsche (Carrera GT) or Dodge (Viper SRT10)
V-12 - BMW (McLaren Engine)

Forced Introduction (Turbo/Super)

In line 4 cylinder - Nissan or Toyota (SR20DET or 3SGTE)
In line 6 cylinder - Nissan or Toyota (RB26DETT or 2JZGTE)
V6 cylinder - Nissan (VG30DETT)
V8 cylinder - F40 Engine
V-10 - Dunno
V-12 - Mercedes 6.5 Liter TT AMG

Naturally Aspirated

I4: Honda (None Specific).
I6: Chrysler (Slant Six).
V6: Nissan (VQ Series).
V8: Chrysler (Hemi).
V10: Chrysler (Viper Engine).
V12: Ferrari (None Specific).

Forced Introduction (Turbo/Super)

I4: Chrysler (Common Block).
I6: Toyota (2JZ Supra).
O6: Porsche (911 Turbo Baby!).
V6: Nissan (VG30DETT).
V8: Ferrari (F40).
V10: Can't think of one.
V12: Same.

its hard to find the absolute perfect engine for each category so on some I'll list a few of the best ones


Naturally Aspirated

In line 4 cylinder - s2000
In line 6 cylinder - E46 M3
V6 cylinder - 350Z
V8 cylinder - F430/Chalenge Stradale
V-10 - carera GT/new M5
V-12 - Enzo

Forced Introduction (Turbo/Super)

In line 4 cylinder - evo/mr2/celica/cossie/srt4/integrale....
In line 6 cylinder - supra/gtr
V6 cylinder - noble m12
V8 cylinder - koenigseg ccr/f40/288gto
V-10 -
V-12 - me 4-12

Naturally Aspirated

In line 4 cylinder - 22r (cant kill it)
In line 6 cylinder - nissan (they make great inline 6's)
V6 cylinder - yamaho 3.0 sho engine
V8 cylinder - Ford (5.0 cammer, boss 429)
V-10 - porche carrera gt (almost forgot about that one)
V-12 - aston martin (duh)

Forced Introduction (Turbo/Super)

im not doing forced induction cause it doesnt matter if the engine sux or not its got a blower on it.

Here we go...

Naturally Aspirated

I4 - Honda (no one is even close)
I6 - BMW (their 3.0 inline-six is incredible)
V6 - Nissan (the VQ35DE is very impressive)
V8 - Chevrolet (the LS2 is pretty much unbeatable)

Forced Induction

I4 - Mitsubishi (the 4G63 is really hard to beat)
I6 - Toyota (2JZ-GTE...'nuff said)
V6 - Nissan (VG30DETT...'nuff said)
V8 - Lotus (Espirit...V8 Twin Turbo baby!)

In line 4 cylinder - S2000
In line 6 cylinder - M3

V6 cylinder - does the porsche flat6 (GT3 anyone?) count as a 180degree V...? i'm partial to the alfa romeo 3.2 and the honda 3.2 (NSX).
not particularly powerful but they do sound good....
V8 cylinder - everyone's gonna say ferrari but don't forget the massive torque of the audi S4's V8 or the TVRs little V8.

V10 - i can only think of 3 V10s, porsche carrera GT, new M5, lamborghini gallardo (or should that be audi...?)
V12 - i'm gonna go with the lamborghini V12 just becaue i'm still in love with the countach LP400 and that poster advert.
if i could afford one, i'd have it displayed as a work of art...

Great compro...really makes you think...and all of mine are new(er) or upcoming engines

Naturally Aspirated

In line 4 cylinder - Honda (2L @ 200 and 240 hp wow!)
In line 6 cylinder - GMC (4.2 in SUV's Envoy ect)
V6 cylinder - Nissan (350Z G35 ect)
V8 cylinder - BMW (4.8L 355hp 369ft-lb.. smaller with hemi numbers)
V-10 - BMW (M5 comin up)
V-12 - Aston Martin

Forced Introduction (Turbo/Super)

In line 4 cylinder - Subaru (STI)
In line 6 cylinder - Nissan (6 cylinder masters!)
V6 cylinder - Audi A6 (2.7L 250 V6)
V8 cylinder - Ford (GT)
V-10 - got nothing
V-12 - Mercedes Benz (SL 55 baby!)

Naturally Aspirated
In line 4 cylinder -Honda's B18C5
In line 6 cylinder -TVR's Speed Six
V6 cylinder - Nissan's VQ35DE
V8 cylinder - Chevrolet's LT5
V-10 - Dodge Viper's 8.3L
V-12 - TVR's Speed Twelve

Forced Introduction (Turbo/Super)
In line 4 cylinder - Mitsubishi 4G63T, Nissan's SR20DET, Toyota's 3SGTE
In line 6 cylinder - Toyota's 2JZGTE, Nissan's RB26DETT, TVR's s/c'ed Speed Six.
V6 cylinder - Nissan's VQ30DET
V8 cylinder - Bentley's turbo 6.75L
V-10 - ???
V-12 - Mercedes Benz 6.5L twin turbo

N/A
I4: S2000
I6: E46 M3 simply awesome engine
V6: 350z/G35
V8: LS2, LS6, E39 M5
V10: E90 M5
V12: McLaren F1 (Built by BMW)

Super/Turbo
I4: STi, VW 1.8t (very modable)
I6: 2JZGTE
V6: Noble M12 GTO
V8: Ford GT
V10: ummmm
V12: AMG SL65/CL65

Here we go...

Naturally Aspirated

I4 - Honda (no one is even close)
I6 - BMW (their 3.0 inline-six is incredible)
V6 - Nissan (the VQ35DE is very impressive)
V8 - Chevrolet (the LS2 is pretty much unbeatable)

Forced Induction

I4 - Mitsubishi (the 4G63 is really hard to beat)*
I6 - Toyota (2JZ-GTE...'nuff said)
V6 - Nissan (VG30DETT...'nuff said)
V8 - Lotus (Espirit...V8 Twin Turbo baby!)

exactly what I was going to put except the lotus... lol
I would probly go with either the 03 cobra engine.
* 4g63 is a flat out amazing engine. They are just flat out rediculously potent little firecracker. sr20det and 3sgte... eat your hearts out. :p

Naturally Aspirated

In line 4 cylinder - 4age
In line 6 cylinder - m3
V6 cylinder -Vq35de (Even though Renault really makes it)
V8 cylinder - Ford 427 Cobra Jet
V-10 - Carrera GT
V-12 - Speed Twelve

Forced Introduction (Turbo/Super)

In line 4 cylinder - 3gste, G20
In line 6 cylinder - Rb26dett, GNX 3.8 turbo
V6 cylinder - Italadeisgns twin turbo v6
V8 cylinder - koenigseg ccr

V6 cylinder - Nissan's VQ30DET


Where would you find this engine may I ask?

:eek7:

NA
I4- b18c5 honda integra
I6-2jzgte toyota supra
H4-subaru impreza rs 2.5
H6-PORSCHE GT3
I8-buggati (hell yeah)
V6-VQ35DE 350Z/V35
V8-ls6 chevy corvette
V10-PORSCHE CARRERA GT
V12-lambo murcielago

Turbo!!!
I4-SR20DET NISSAN S14 SILVIA
I6-RB26DETT NISSAN SKYLINE GT-R
H4-subaru imreza sti
H6-PORSCHE 911 TURBO S
V6-VG30DETT NISSAN 300ZX T-TURBO
V8-ferrarei f40
V10-Lotus Espirit
V12-Mercedes 6.5L twin turbo
V16-BUGATTI veryon QUAD TURBO!!!!!!!!!

By the way, since when subaru impreza has an inline 4? It has boxter 4 (H4) which is horizontally opposed.
Suprized nobody has mensioned bugattis, v16 4 turbo s and 1001hp!!!!
By the way some of you prolly noticed I am a nissan and porsche fan.

NA

I4 - F20c
I6 - BMW e46 M3
V6 - VQ35DE
V8 - BMW E39 M5
V10 - Carrera GT
V12 - Mc F1 (BMW) / Murciellago

Forced

I4 - 3sGTE
I6 - 1JZGTE
V6 -
V8 - Mercedes 5.5 s/c
V10 -
V12 - Merc 6.5 TT

Where would you find this engine may I ask?

:eek7:
nissan cedrics and glorias have them as available options, which are all jdm vehicles. usmd never saw a factory VQ30det.

its hard to find the absolute perfect engine for each category so on some I'll list a few of the best ones


Naturally Aspirated

In line 4 cylinder - s2000
In line 6 cylinder - E46 M3
V6 cylinder - 350Z
V8 cylinder - F430/Chalenge Stradale
V-10 - carera GT/new M5
V-12 - Enzo

Forced Introduction (Turbo/Super)

In line 4 cylinder - evo/mr2/celica/cossie/srt4/integrale....
In line 6 cylinder - supra/gtr
V6 cylinder - noble m12
V8 cylinder - koenigseg ccr/f40/288gto
V-10 -
V-12 - me 4-12
What he said, and add the McMerc SLR engine to FI V8.

Naturally Aspirated

In line 4 cylinder - lots of jdm honda engines
In line 6 cylinder - M3 CSL (360hp)
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V6 cylinder - nissans vq series, and honda/acura's new 3.5L v6 pushing out between 270-300hp
V8 cylinder -audis S4 (340hp), ferrari 360 modena 400hp
V-10 - Porsche Carrera GT
V-12 - Mclaren F1

Forced Introduction (Turbo/Super)

In line 4 cylinder - mitsubishis bulletproof engine, nissans engines also
In line 6 cylinder - supra engine, skyline engine
V6 cylinder - old S4 (tt v6)
V8 cylinder - slr mclaren supercharged v8
V-10 -
V-12 -

Naturally Aspirated

In line 4 cylinder - SR20DE
In line 6 cylinder - GM 4200 Vortec
V6 cylinder - VQ35DE
V8 cylinder - GM LS2
V-10 - Viper
V-12 - Aston Martin 6.0L

Forced Introduction (Turbo/Super)

In line 4 cylinder - PVO Mopar 2.4L Turbo
In line 6 cylinder - 2JZGTE
V6 cylinder - GM 3800SC Series III
V8 cylinder - Ford GT

Naturally Aspirated

In line 4 cylinder - ?
In line 6 cylinder - slant 6. Currently BMW
V6 cylinder - mercedes
V8 cylinder - Hemi by Chrysler
V-10 - Viper
V-12 - BMW

Forced Introduction (Turbo/Super)

In line 4 cylinder - SRT is pretty good.
In line 6 cylinder - Dodge Cummins!!

Naturally Aspirated

In line 4 cylinder -S2000 (You know, it hurt me to say that)
In line 6 cylinder - BMW M3 (not exactly a big category)
V6 cylinder - Nissan VQ (What can you say, Nissan owns this one)
V8 cylinder - LS2 (Right now, this category changes daily it seems)
V-10 - BMW M5 (if I have to that is, I do not get the V-10 thing)
V-12 - Speed Twelve (like a land-bound Spitfire)

Forced Introduction (Turbo/Super)

In line 4 cylinder - Mitsubishi Evo (If only available in an Eclipse)
In line 6 cylinder - Aussie Ford Falcon F6 Typhoon/Tornado (361hp and 400lb-ft tq from 2000-4250rpm stock....Supra that!!!)
V6 cylinder - Noble (SOmebody built an affordable Ferrari...finally!!)
V8 cylinder - Ford GT 5.4L (great tq and hp)
V-12 - Mercedes 6.5L (torque by the hand of God)

Feel free to add another category.
MexSiR[/QUOTE]

force inducted inline six

Caterpillar ACERT engines.

Naturally Aspirated

In line 4 cylinder - Honda all the way!
In line 6 cylinder - BMW
V6 cylinder - Nissan
V8 cylinder - Chevrolet

Those are the only categories I really know a lot about.

Forced induction Flat SIX or a Rotary : )

Naturally Aspirated

In line 4 cylinder - NSX
In line 6 cylinder - RB26 (R34 GTR NUR)
V6 cylinder - none
V8 cylinder - Ferrari Stradale
V-10 - Dodge viper Gts-R 04 comp
V-12 - Mclaren F1 LM

Forced Introduction (Turbo/Super)

In line 4 cylinder - NSX
In line 6 cylinder - Noble M12 GTO
Flat 6 cylinder - Dauer 962 Le Mans
V6 cylinder - Supra Jz
V8 cylinder - Kosenigg (sp)
V-10 - Porsche carrera GT
V-12 - XJ220 Jaguar
Rotary - RX-7 03 JDM

Naturally Aspirated

In line 4 cylinder - NSX
In line 6 cylinder - RB26 (R34 GTR NUR)
V6 cylinder - none
V8 cylinder - Ferrari Stradale
V-10 - Dodge viper Gts-R 04 comp
V-12 - Mclaren F1 LM

Forced Introduction (Turbo/Super)

In line 4 cylinder - NSX
In line 6 cylinder - Noble M12 GTO
Flat 6 cylinder - Dauer 962 Le Mans
V6 cylinder - Supra Jz
V8 cylinder - Kosenigg (sp)
V-10 - Porsche carrera GT
V-12 - XJ220 Jaguar
Rotary - RX-7 03 JDM

a few corrections here:

NSXs are not 4 cyl or FI
the RB26 is not NA
the Noble is V6 not inline
Supra is inline 6 not V6
ans teh Xj220 is a V6 not V12

There are 2 versions of xj220 and the noble is an inline 6 and I was just sayin that if the rb was N/A.

JCSALEEN, u just got owned, alright? Neutrino is correct in every single case... the NOBLE m12 is a ford mondeo V6 and the xj220 WAS going to come out with a v12, but instead they put the forced 6 (wrong choice IMO), and anyone who doesnt know that rb26 isnt NA doesnt deserve to display the nismo sign under their username.

oh by the way, what is a JDM rx7 03 ??? as far as i know, the last RX-7s came of the production line in 02... owned again

Ok im not goin to argue cuz u obviously have never even seen an skyline ever. Second I kno about an rb being turbo obviously. third Look jaguars models of the xj220 read SOME FACTS!!! there is twin turbo v6 and v12.

oh by the way, what is a JDM rx7 03 ??? as far as i know, the last RX-7s came of the production line in 02... owned again


BTW ~ do u have a life??? your picking on me about a year on a car im sorry Im a year off I guess im the biggest loser now right??

Ok im not goin to argue cuz u obviously have never even seen an skyline ever. Second I kno about an rb being turbo obviously. third Look jaguars models of the xj220 read SOME FACTS!!! there is twin turbo v6 and v12.

i see skylines everyday, i live in a country where skylines were officially imported and hundreds of private and grey imports... so yeah i know my shit when it comes to skylines

also, why do you think rb26 would be the best inline 6 if it was naturally aspirated??? just wandering. is it because of its low compression ratio? i doubt that the rb26 would be half the engine it is without forced induction. i was just wandering what would make it so good if you took off FI?

did he get things wrong again?

wow.....
just looked back at his post.
that's 6 out of 13 wrong.
that's 46% wrong........

what bothers me is that i could've sworn i mentioned to him about the noble being a V6 before......

and um, why does he keep going on about the nur GT-R?
doesn't that have the exact same engine as the other GT-Rs?

and er, isn't listing best rotary and bast flat 6 a bit pointless?
i mean, what choices do we have.
hmmm, lets see, there's the porsche flat 6 or... the porsche flat 6 or......

hmm, rotary.....?
:rolleyes:

what's that about facts?
let's see, after the concept xj220 was shown at the birmingham motor show, use of a V12 was vetoed, along with the scissor doors, ABS and others....
instead they chopped of 8 inches from the wheelbase and used the twin turbo V6 derived from the one used previously in the metro 6R4 that TWR had bought (the engine that is...)

also, why do you think rb26 would be the best inline 6 if it was naturally aspirated??? just wandering. is it because of its low compression ratio? i doubt that the rb26 would be half the engine it is without forced induction. i was just wandering what would make it so good if you took off FI?

Well I was just shooting into the blue just to think of what an N/A rb could do the vq's are supposed to be really good as far as N/A around 500 then with turbo forget it.

[QUOTE=drunken monkey]did he get things wrong again?

hmm, rotary.....?
:rolleyes:

what's that about facts?
let's see, after the concept xj220 was shown at the birmingham motor show, use of a V12 was vetoed, along with the scissor doors, ABS and others....
QUOTE]

Yes but it was tested I prefer the v12 . I know the v6 performs better but id rather have a V12 behind me when Im payin around 200k plus. Also I had read on another site and it was an owners site too that the specs were an inline 6.

3rd the nur is is slightly better then a regular Rb

Nur
As the final limited-production series of the R34 Skyline GT-R, the Nur. series was introduced in Japan. The feature of the GT-R Nur. is a highly accurate engine which improved the weight balance such as pistons and con-rods which are the main parts of the engine based on the N1 specification engine installed in the Nuerburgrings 24 hour race and a domestic Super Taikyu race. http://www.j-garage.com/nissan/skyline/2110/nur.jpg

Normal Rb
Powering the Skyline GT-R is a further refined version of the RB26DETT 24-valve in-line 6-cylinder DOHC engine. Compared with the engine used on the R33 Skyline GTR, the camshafts have been modified for improved valve timing, enabling the engine to generate 15.6 kgm/liter of torque. Moreover, new twin ball bearing ceramic turbocharges have been adopted to deliver sharp, instantaneous response to accelerator inputs.Adopted as the transmission was a new 6-speed manual transmission jointly developed by NISSAN and GETRAG of Germany. Close-ratio gearing has been adopted for the first through the fifth speed ranges compared with the first through the fourth speed ranges of the 5-speed transmission used on the previous model. A helical LSD with superb responsiveness and controllability has been adopted for improved traction during cornering and enhanced response to accelerator inputs. The GT-R Vspec comes with an active LSD for optimum torque split control.The adoption of mufflers with exhaust pressure-sensitive control and dual stainless steel tailpipes with large orifices has reduced the back pressure.
http://www.j-garage.com/nissan/skyline/r34/2.jpg

Saleen, quit talking crap.

The XJ220 doesnt have a V12, the RB26 is turbocharged, the Noble is V6 powered, so do us all a favour and zip it.

When someone corrects you, you should thank them for teaching you something about cars.

Im keeping this thread open, but i dont want a single more post out of you, saleen, or anyone else regarding his mistakes. Any problems, saleen, pm me.

Saleen, quit talking crap.

The XJ220 doesnt have a V12, the RB26 is turbocharged, the Noble is V6 powered, so do us all a favour and zip it.

When someone corrects you, you should thank them for teaching you something about cars.

Im keeping this thread open, but i dont want a single more post out of you, saleen, or anyone else regarding his mistakes. Any problems, saleen, pm me.
I am I know the rb is turbo duh! 2nd Im sorry I read 1 thing wrong 3rd there was a model of the xj220witha V12 what dont you you understand about that?

Now please shut up with the Xj! http://www.supercars.net/cars/1988@$Jaguar@$XJ220%20Prototypex.html

....so the one in the nur is just a 'cleaned up' version of the normal engine.
so um, it's still the same engine....

anyway.
still doesn't quite answer how you could get 46% of the things you said WRONG.

there wasn't a V12 made.
anyone here know if the concept was actually a running car or not?
in anycase, there was no V12 production xj220.

I kno it was aproto but it was still made in real life therefore it counts.

How was I wrong about the rb I know its a turbo I was just throwing Ideas out is that bad?

I am I know the rb is turbo duh! 2nd Im sorry I read 1 thing wrong 3rd there was a model of the xj220witha V12 what dont you you understand about that?

Now please shut up with the Xj! http://www.supercars.net/cars/1988@$Jaguar@$XJ220%20Prototypex.html
That's a 3 day ban. I warned you about posting in here again since you were taking the thread off-topic. And sort your attitude out when you come back.


BACK TO THE TOPIC

anyways.....

it's not quite a hi-tech, super trick or efficient engine but there's something about the tvr V12's that i like.

i think it's cos basically, it's their straight 6 mated to a common crank.
y'know, i kinda imagine the brainstorming session for that one:

"ok guys we need a big engine for our race car...."
"er, how about we take two of our current engines.... aaaaaand stick them together!"

result=800bhp in a relatively unstressed form.
not too shabby.

First off.

Engineer and the rest of the "so called experts" Nissan DID create an N/A RB26. Autech used it and it also came in the Stagea as an option. I highly suggest you do a bit more research before you spout off again mate.

hmmm, lets see, there's the porsche flat 6 or... the porsche flat 6 or......

Subaru SVX, foo. :)

N/A
I4: DC5 Integra Type R
I6: BMW M3 CSL
V6: Honda NSX Type R
V8: Ferrari F360 Stradale/ F430 Modena
V10: Porsche Carrera GT
V12: Ferrari Enzo

Forced Induction:
I4: Mitsubishi Evo (4G63)
I6: RB26DETT, 2JZ-GTE
V8: Mercedes 55 AMG engines (SL55, E55 AMG)
V12: Mercedes 600, and 65 series. (I LOVE my uncle's S600!)

at the risk of having a ban imposed on me....

"Nissan DID create an N/A RB26"
but this isn't the one that's in the skyline r34 GT-R nur that he mentioned.......

Not even that, he wasn't even aware of it. His nomination was based on a "what if" scenario. Now please, this was a good thread, so back to the topic.

Thats kinda harsh, a 3 day ban?

And evocrazy take that 2gay2see picture off! I can't look at it! PLZ!

Christ... well since people are obviously intent on having this thread closed, so be it. Leave the moderating to the moderators, and understand the meaning of "BACK TO THE TOPIC".