Lightning vs. Dogde anyone look at the prices?
69cobra
10-19-2004, 04:43 PM
Dollar for dollar,what can you buy?
69cobra
10-19-2004, 04:45 PM
With out trash talking,whats the deal?Have you looked at the prices?
69cobra
10-19-2004, 04:50 PM
I have a 2000 lightning I drive everyday(No not in the snow)I have ran two of these new dodges...From dead stop quarter mile,we both had street tires.I had no problem streching out 3 to 4 truck lengths.The other dodge didnt know how to launch it with out going up in smoke...
69cobra
10-19-2004, 04:53 PM
Dont think I am a dodge basher cause I am not..I know I cant afford what these guys paid.....They are great looking truck,need to be a bit lower...
FordJunky
10-19-2004, 05:15 PM
is it just me or does this discussion seem a little one sided? id have to go with the lighting, theyre awesome. much sportier than the dodge, better looks and about dead even as far as speed goes. and once the new lightning comes out...
Polygon
10-19-2004, 05:22 PM
is it just me or does this discussion seem a little one sided? id have to go with the lighting, theyre awesome. much sportier than the dodge, better looks and about dead even as far as speed goes. and once the new lightning comes out...
Sorry but the SRT-10 Ram out performs the Lightning in every category and it should for that price. I would much rather have the SRT-10. I don't care much for superchargers and you can still haul stuff with the Ram.
Sorry but the SRT-10 Ram out performs the Lightning in every category and it should for that price. I would much rather have the SRT-10. I don't care much for superchargers and you can still haul stuff with the Ram.
Andydg
10-19-2004, 06:04 PM
Polygon said it how I would have said it.
Hypsi87
10-19-2004, 06:44 PM
yea but, who cares if you can haul stuff with the SRT-10.. Are you accually going to put anything that heavy duity in a 50,000 dollar truck??
I was recently hired at a dyno shop and we had a ford dyno day last saturday. A lighting with a pully and exhaust put down 495 at the wheels. All of that still costs less than the SRT-10.
I was recently hired at a dyno shop and we had a ford dyno day last saturday. A lighting with a pully and exhaust put down 495 at the wheels. All of that still costs less than the SRT-10.
FordJunky
10-19-2004, 06:58 PM
ummm, theyre pretty close in performance... and when u consider the rather large price difference, ya, the dodge SHOULD be running circles around the ford, but doesnt. im still waitin on the new lightning, that is the sickest looking truck and should have numbers to match.
69cobra
10-19-2004, 07:11 PM
I haul a 3800lbs 1969cobra on a trailer, slicks, jack,cooler and everything with my old truck..Who said they dont work as a truck
Categories are for books and magazines.....bring out on a Friday or saturday night and thats when it counts to me....There no dyno at the end of our track,just a winner and a looser....So the book talk and what a dealer says,weither a Ford or dodge dealer.Is just that talk...
Categories are for books and magazines.....bring out on a Friday or saturday night and thats when it counts to me....There no dyno at the end of our track,just a winner and a looser....So the book talk and what a dealer says,weither a Ford or dodge dealer.Is just that talk...
Polygon
10-19-2004, 08:49 PM
I'm sorry but 3,800 pounds is nothing to get excited about with a truck. All I am saying is that the SRT-10 does run circles around the Lighting in every category except price. However, you can still use the SRT-10 like a truck in most cases if you want to.
To me that is important because I am buying a truck, I just might want to haul a heavy trailer and some gear in the back. Also, I could have some fun and drop a twin turbo setup in the SRT-10. The Viper engine has more potential than the Lightning's engine does. Besides, the SRT-10 just looks sooo much better.
To me that is important because I am buying a truck, I just might want to haul a heavy trailer and some gear in the back. Also, I could have some fun and drop a twin turbo setup in the SRT-10. The Viper engine has more potential than the Lightning's engine does. Besides, the SRT-10 just looks sooo much better.
69cobra
10-20-2004, 05:50 AM
Sounds like you need a dually or a Kenworth ,there polygon.........I dont think you would be hauling grain wagons with a SRT-10.....
GTStang
10-20-2004, 07:05 AM
I'm sorry but 3,800 pounds is nothing to get excited about with a truck. All I am saying is that the SRT-10 does run circles around the Lighting in every category except price. However, you can still use the SRT-10 like a truck in most cases if you want to.
To me that is important because I am buying a truck, I just might want to haul a heavy trailer and some gear in the back. Also, I could have some fun and drop a twin turbo setup in the SRT-10. The Viper engine has more potential than the Lightning's engine does. Besides, the SRT-10 just looks sooo much better.
The SRT-10 is better than the Lighting in every catergory I'd agree. But is it superior enough to warrant it's rather larger price tag..... Not even close... as cool as the SRT-10 is.... It's price is just way too much for what it is.
As far as the load/towing capacity of a Lighting or SRT-10.... I can guarantee you maybe 1% who owns or bought either of these trucks was even concerned with towing capacity.
Looks are subjective and that's why I usually try to stay out of it but I think the SRT-10 looks like every other Dodge Truck except for the rims. Where as the Lighting you can tell w/o question.
To me that is important because I am buying a truck, I just might want to haul a heavy trailer and some gear in the back. Also, I could have some fun and drop a twin turbo setup in the SRT-10. The Viper engine has more potential than the Lightning's engine does. Besides, the SRT-10 just looks sooo much better.
The SRT-10 is better than the Lighting in every catergory I'd agree. But is it superior enough to warrant it's rather larger price tag..... Not even close... as cool as the SRT-10 is.... It's price is just way too much for what it is.
As far as the load/towing capacity of a Lighting or SRT-10.... I can guarantee you maybe 1% who owns or bought either of these trucks was even concerned with towing capacity.
Looks are subjective and that's why I usually try to stay out of it but I think the SRT-10 looks like every other Dodge Truck except for the rims. Where as the Lighting you can tell w/o question.
del
10-20-2004, 09:14 AM
nonetheless these are still pickups. i think they still need to have some utility to them regardless if they're designed for speed. i don't know that the price difference substantiates value for the dodge. i'm it's fast as hell but like someone said, is it worth that much more over the ford? i wouldn't pay that much for it that's for sure. not that i'd buy a pickup either way. that's just me. 500hp to 380hp in similarly sized trucks makes it common sense which should have the performance advantage. duh! out with the old, in with the new....until ford releases the next gen lightning then it's a new ballgame all over again. as fast as the dodge may be, i'll vote for the lightning.
Polygon
10-20-2004, 09:37 AM
The SRT-10 is better than the Lighting in every catergory I'd agree. But is it superior enough to warrant it's rather larger price tag..... Not even close... as cool as the SRT-10 is.... It's price is just way too much for what it is.
As far as the load/towing capacity of a Lighting or SRT-10.... I can guarantee you maybe 1% who owns or bought either of these trucks was even concerned with towing capacity.
Looks are subjective and that's why I usually try to stay out of it but I think the SRT-10 looks like every other Dodge Truck except for the rims. Where as the Lighting you can tell w/o question.
Yeah, you have a point. However, whether it is superior enough to warrant the price or not is subjective as well. I'm not much of a truck person, but if I bought a truck I want it to be able to work like one. I just can't stand SUVs that have no capability to go off road or do serious towing. The same goes for trucks. I just don't like vehicles that are supposed to be able to do something but can't. So for me the price of the Dodge is worth it. Also, you can just as easily spot an SRT-10 from a normal Ram.
As far as the load/towing capacity of a Lighting or SRT-10.... I can guarantee you maybe 1% who owns or bought either of these trucks was even concerned with towing capacity.
Looks are subjective and that's why I usually try to stay out of it but I think the SRT-10 looks like every other Dodge Truck except for the rims. Where as the Lighting you can tell w/o question.
Yeah, you have a point. However, whether it is superior enough to warrant the price or not is subjective as well. I'm not much of a truck person, but if I bought a truck I want it to be able to work like one. I just can't stand SUVs that have no capability to go off road or do serious towing. The same goes for trucks. I just don't like vehicles that are supposed to be able to do something but can't. So for me the price of the Dodge is worth it. Also, you can just as easily spot an SRT-10 from a normal Ram.
kman10587
10-20-2004, 12:27 PM
The SRT-10 is very easy to spot, it's got a gigantic hood scoop and a funny-looking wing.
TatII
10-20-2004, 12:44 PM
the wheelbase for the ram is too short. it looks like a giant dog head driving around. sorta like a 18 wheeler without the trailer. the lightning has much better proportions.
chevydrummer76
10-20-2004, 03:29 PM
Someone needs to make a sport truck with Awd. Something like the silverado ss but with more balls and smaller price tag.
VQuick
10-20-2004, 04:10 PM
I like the Lightning more than the Ram SRT-10. I like the idea of being able to tune something easily. With forced induction standard, it should be easier to get more gains.
Someone needs to make a sport truck with Awd. Something like the silverado ss but with more balls and smaller price tag.
GM just introduced the Colorado and Canyon compact pickups. It'd be nice to see performance versions of them. There is a new family of GM V6s that are supposed to be available with turbochargers in the future, so just put one in the Canyon or Colorado. Voila! A new performance pickup. How about reviving the 'Syclone' badge? :D
I'd also like to see Nissan get into the performance truck game. The new Frontier will have a solid 4L V6 with plenty of power(260hp-ish), but forced induction would turn it into a monster. The Titan would benefit from a supercharger as well, since there is already an aftermarket blower for a smaller version of the Titan's V8 in the Infiniti Q45.
Toyota just needs more displacement, period.
Someone needs to make a sport truck with Awd. Something like the silverado ss but with more balls and smaller price tag.
GM just introduced the Colorado and Canyon compact pickups. It'd be nice to see performance versions of them. There is a new family of GM V6s that are supposed to be available with turbochargers in the future, so just put one in the Canyon or Colorado. Voila! A new performance pickup. How about reviving the 'Syclone' badge? :D
I'd also like to see Nissan get into the performance truck game. The new Frontier will have a solid 4L V6 with plenty of power(260hp-ish), but forced induction would turn it into a monster. The Titan would benefit from a supercharger as well, since there is already an aftermarket blower for a smaller version of the Titan's V8 in the Infiniti Q45.
Toyota just needs more displacement, period.
69cobra
10-20-2004, 05:20 PM
The new full to mid size v8 toyotas are pretty stout,but the colorado and canyon are consumer's worst rated truck for that size...Why didnt they build a V8 Extream,,,they looked good but no Go.....
clawhammer
10-20-2004, 05:53 PM
Wait for the new Lightning. It will be here in about a year, it will the GT's 500 hp engine, and will probably be faster than the SRT-10
Twyzz
10-20-2004, 06:27 PM
the gt now has 550 hp and 550 hp of torque and it will be going in the new lightning. People who have driven both of the trucks would much rather drive a Lightning due to the ride and gas milage of the SRT-10. Dodge tried to out do ford with the SRT-10, it failed and now ford is gonna make the viper look like a garter snake.
Neutrino
10-20-2004, 07:27 PM
the gt now has 550 hp and 550 hp of torque and it will be going in the new lightning. People who have driven both of the trucks would much rather drive a Lightning due to the ride and gas milage of the SRT-10. Dodge tried to out do ford with the SRT-10, it failed and now ford is gonna make the viper look like a garter snake.
Or that if Chrysler produces the ME 4 12 the GT will look like a garter snake as Colleti so graciously put it. Except that Daimler is tactful enough not to tash talk.
And seriously lets stop with the freaking modded argument its never endind and ridiculous. Or should we bring out some other cars that will cost a fraction of the lighting and can be made much faster.
What i find funny is that ford guys complain that even if the srt10 ram is faster it cost more. So what about the fact that the ford GT is twice the price of a viper and its the same situation just reversed.
Or that if Chrysler produces the ME 4 12 the GT will look like a garter snake as Colleti so graciously put it. Except that Daimler is tactful enough not to tash talk.
And seriously lets stop with the freaking modded argument its never endind and ridiculous. Or should we bring out some other cars that will cost a fraction of the lighting and can be made much faster.
What i find funny is that ford guys complain that even if the srt10 ram is faster it cost more. So what about the fact that the ford GT is twice the price of a viper and its the same situation just reversed.
FordJunky
10-20-2004, 09:06 PM
"Or that if Chrysler produces the ME 4 12 the GT will look like a garter snake as Colleti so graciously put it. Except that Daimler is tactful enough not to tash talk."
first off dont hold what colletti said against the entire company, he has his own mind and can use it, u dont see me holding all the stupid crap ricers say against honda (i know theres a difference of affiliation but i think u get what im saying)
the chrysler is a sweet ass car and i can only hope they make it... but it will be really f'in expensive, the gt is popular cause its affordable and performs really good (but until they actually make it lets not bring it up cause ford has plenty of wouldas and shouldas aswell as just about every other company).
first off dont hold what colletti said against the entire company, he has his own mind and can use it, u dont see me holding all the stupid crap ricers say against honda (i know theres a difference of affiliation but i think u get what im saying)
the chrysler is a sweet ass car and i can only hope they make it... but it will be really f'in expensive, the gt is popular cause its affordable and performs really good (but until they actually make it lets not bring it up cause ford has plenty of wouldas and shouldas aswell as just about every other company).
Neutrino
10-20-2004, 10:38 PM
"Or that if Chrysler produces the ME 4 12 the GT will look like a garter snake as Colleti so graciously put it. Except that Daimler is tactful enough not to tash talk."
first off dont hold what colletti said against the entire company, he has his own mind and can use it, u dont see me holding all the stupid crap ricers say against honda (i know theres a difference of affiliation but i think u get what im saying)
the chrysler is a sweet ass car and i can only hope they make it... but it will be really f'in expensive, the gt is popular cause its affordable and performs really good (but until they actually make it lets not bring it up cause ford has plenty of wouldas and shouldas aswell as just about every other company).
The point i was trying to make was that people like to put the viper down because stock it performs less than the GT. And that is the way it should be considering that it costs twice as much.
But in this thread people put the SRT10 ram truck down because it cost more despite the fact it outperforms stock the lighting.
Bottom line both the GT and the SRT10 ram are the superior models but the viper and the lightning are the better performance bargains. So its up to the buyer to decide what it wants.
first off dont hold what colletti said against the entire company, he has his own mind and can use it, u dont see me holding all the stupid crap ricers say against honda (i know theres a difference of affiliation but i think u get what im saying)
the chrysler is a sweet ass car and i can only hope they make it... but it will be really f'in expensive, the gt is popular cause its affordable and performs really good (but until they actually make it lets not bring it up cause ford has plenty of wouldas and shouldas aswell as just about every other company).
The point i was trying to make was that people like to put the viper down because stock it performs less than the GT. And that is the way it should be considering that it costs twice as much.
But in this thread people put the SRT10 ram truck down because it cost more despite the fact it outperforms stock the lighting.
Bottom line both the GT and the SRT10 ram are the superior models but the viper and the lightning are the better performance bargains. So its up to the buyer to decide what it wants.
FordJunky
10-20-2004, 10:50 PM
ok, i do see your point... the difference between the gt and viper isnt just performance, the gt has alot more prestige and technology rapped up in it (cost more to develop and build and is more saught after), however both the srt and lightning are thrown together with existing parts. neither has more technology or prestige and ill bet the srt isnt that much more to build. thats y i dont think it marrits the hefty price tag... like how all the ferrari guys say the modena's better than the ford even though it (the GT) costs less and performs better, same thing.
Neutrino
10-20-2004, 11:19 PM
ok, i do see your point... the difference between the gt and viper isnt just performance, the gt has alot more prestige and technology rapped up in it (cost more to develop and build and is more saught after), however both the srt and lightning are thrown together with existing parts. neither has more technology or prestige and ill bet the srt isnt that much more to build. thats y i dont think it marrits the hefty price tag... like how all the ferrari guys say the modena's better than the ford even though it costs less and performs better, same thing.
well the thing is Daimler went for another market. The srt-10 is a more exclusive limited series, and the viper engine is not your run of the mill production engine. So it will be more tractive to older guys with money and ritch your guys so they can brag about it. A low price would not work. If Daimler would've went for the same market as the lighting they would've used a forced induction production engine like the hemi.
The lighting is targeted at the tuner budget market.
Same with the Ferrari, you will never get a good performance bargain ot of one. They are exclusive cars, handbuilt with engines made from scratch each time with an exorbitant price tag. That is the point of an exotic. The modena is the Ferrari ford focus, its as cheap as a Ferrari will ever get, some people actually compain that is too cheap actually. Basically if you are lookig for the best bang for the money a Ferrari is not for you.
well the thing is Daimler went for another market. The srt-10 is a more exclusive limited series, and the viper engine is not your run of the mill production engine. So it will be more tractive to older guys with money and ritch your guys so they can brag about it. A low price would not work. If Daimler would've went for the same market as the lighting they would've used a forced induction production engine like the hemi.
The lighting is targeted at the tuner budget market.
Same with the Ferrari, you will never get a good performance bargain ot of one. They are exclusive cars, handbuilt with engines made from scratch each time with an exorbitant price tag. That is the point of an exotic. The modena is the Ferrari ford focus, its as cheap as a Ferrari will ever get, some people actually compain that is too cheap actually. Basically if you are lookig for the best bang for the money a Ferrari is not for you.
FordJunky
10-21-2004, 12:18 AM
ya, i see wut ur saying, i dont think prestige is really worth all that much (im not much for showin off) i like the ford gt alot but that doesnt mean i would buy one over a cobra or a corvette cause its expensive (maybe that just me though) thats mainly why i like the lightning better, great performance, low price and like i mentioned earlier it looks much better, the dodge does perform better but not enough to merritt the price tag and the prestige just doesnt do it for me.
VQuick
10-21-2004, 09:48 AM
Wait for the new Lightning. It will be here in about a year, it will the GT's 500 hp engine, and will probably be faster than the SRT-10
The next-gen Lightning's been cancelled.
http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=101065
The next-gen Lightning's been cancelled.
http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=101065
FordJunky
10-21-2004, 11:28 AM
ya, i read that yesterday, great timing huh? but its been postponed for about 2 1/2 years, not cancelled, theyre putting all there efforts into the new cobra which sounds pretty f*ckin stupid to me but the next cobra should be one hell of a car if thats the case.
69cobra
10-21-2004, 01:54 PM
I guess I'll just have to keep my old truck a few more years.Time to buy some more drag radials..
YogsVR4
10-21-2004, 03:29 PM
The 2005 SRT-10 looks and sounds really sweet http://www.daimlerchrysler.ca/EN/DODGE/1,,EN-DODGE-RAM_PICKUP_1500-PERFORMANCE-TOWING,.html
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RedLightning
10-22-2004, 06:31 PM
Read my sig(the car part).
M3FordBoy
10-24-2004, 10:06 PM
But the four door srt-10 is est. half a second slower then the lightning and the two door srt-10 doesn't come with a hitch and isn't rated for towing. So if you want to tow and go fast Lightning all the way.
Neutrino
10-25-2004, 08:33 AM
But the four door srt-10 is est. half a second slower then the lightning and the two door srt-10 doesn't come with a hitch and isn't rated for towing. So if you want to tow and go fast Lightning all the way.
You might whant to read Yog's link two posts above you before you feed missinformation:
here is a quote from it:
The 2005 Dodge Ram SRT10 Quad Cab® is now equipped to tow up to 3402 kilograms (7500 pounds).
You might whant to read Yog's link two posts above you before you feed missinformation:
here is a quote from it:
The 2005 Dodge Ram SRT10 Quad Cab® is now equipped to tow up to 3402 kilograms (7500 pounds).
GTStang
10-25-2004, 08:40 AM
You might whant to read Yog's link two posts above you before you feed missinformation:
here is a quote from it:
I don't know if he is right or wrong but his is not contradicting Yogs quote.
The 2005 Dodge Ram SRT10 Quad Cab® is now equipped to tow up to 3402 kilograms (7500 pounds).
He said the quad-cab SRT-10 is slower than the Lightning and the 2-door SRT-10 is not rated for towing.
here is a quote from it:
I don't know if he is right or wrong but his is not contradicting Yogs quote.
The 2005 Dodge Ram SRT10 Quad Cab® is now equipped to tow up to 3402 kilograms (7500 pounds).
He said the quad-cab SRT-10 is slower than the Lightning and the 2-door SRT-10 is not rated for towing.
Neutrino
10-25-2004, 08:46 AM
I don't know if he is right or wrong but his is not contradicting Yogs quote.
He said the quad-cab SRT-10 is slower than the Lightning and the 2-door SRT-10 is not rated for towing.
Crap your right, i should have read it more closelly. I though he was still talking about the 4 door. Sorry about that.
He said the quad-cab SRT-10 is slower than the Lightning and the 2-door SRT-10 is not rated for towing.
Crap your right, i should have read it more closelly. I though he was still talking about the 4 door. Sorry about that.
GTStang
10-25-2004, 10:55 AM
Crap your right, i should have read it more closelly. I though he was still talking about the 4 door. Sorry about that.
LoL no problem I read things wrong too. Like I said I don't know if what he is saying is right or wrong either..... interesting fact if it's true.
LoL no problem I read things wrong too. Like I said I don't know if what he is saying is right or wrong either..... interesting fact if it's true.
M3FordBoy
10-26-2004, 03:42 PM
The info about the srt-10 four door seed i got from autoweeek magazine.Truck trend magazine put the srt-10 two door head to head against the Lightning and the only thing the Lightning could do better was braking, but the trucks are very close in other performance aspects. The Lightning is acually faster from 0-50 then the srt-10 2dr but from there the Lightning falls back.
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