2004 EVO VIII vs 2004 Audi S4.

A friend and i having been arguining for a while of whether the EVO VIII or Audi S4 will win in a street race. what do you guys think? Which one has a faster 0-60 time?


Can't wait till EVO X comes out:D

Depends on the mods they have.

Stock for stock? I think Audi.

Audi S4-
340 HP
302 lb-ft tq
AWD
4.2L 90degree V8

Mitsubushi Lancer Evolution VIII-
276 HP
286 lb-ft tq
AWD
3.0 (I think) I4 Turbocharged

Yeah, but the Evo weighs a lot less and the Audi weighs almost 4000 pounds.

I say it would be a driver's race til about 70 and after that the Audi should slowly pull away.

Btw, I just read an article where audi said that they're not going to continue this horsepower war against BMW and Benz because it's going out of hand. They said that eventually, to make any car faster and reliable at the same time, you'll need a bigger engine. With a bigger engine, you'll have more weight. To compensate for the weight gain, you'll need more HP, which means you'll need a bigger engine to be...

They said they'll concentrate more on the driving pleasure side rather than who has better 2 ton monsters that are fast 0-60, which I agree.

Yeah, but the Evo weighs a lot less and the Audi weighs almost 4000 pounds.

I say it would be a driver's race til about 70 and after that the Audi should slowly pull away.

Btw, I just read an article where audi said that they're not going to continue this horsepower war against BMW and Benz because it's going out of hand. They said that eventually, to make any car faster and reliable at the same time, you'll need a bigger engine. With a bigger engine, you'll have more weight. To compensate for the weight gain, you'll need more HP, which means you'll need a bigger engine to be...

They said they'll concentrate more on the driving pleasure side rather than who has better 2 ton monsters that are fast 0-60, which I agree.

heavy car + big engine = Gas Guzzler haha

Just saw a test on the S4 yesterday, 5.1 sec 0-60 as per Car and Driver. The Evo is pretty close to that too.

i always thought evo's were alot more powerful than that...hmm interesting ;)

S4's were never faster then any evo's.

the old twin turbo S4's were 14 second cars.

the new V8 S4 is a high 13 second car.

the current watered down EVO 8 is a low 13 cars

the japanese version are mid 12 second cars.

bottom line i'm not impressed with the S4 at all. i can probrably take it from a roll.

S4's were never faster then any evo's.

the old twin turbo S4's were 14 second cars.

the new V8 S4 is a high 13 second car.

the current watered down EVO 8 is a low 13 cars

the japanese version are mid 12 second cars.

bottom line i'm not impressed with the S4 at all. i can probrably take it from a roll.

Well stated. A lot of people give the S4 way too much credit. Ya the A4 and the TT Quattro aren't bad cars, but the S4 just will not beat an Evo....

I know you can't just watch a video and make a decision, but top gear really do take their cars to the limit.

The S4's numbers were just a tad slower on the straightaway than the M3 and pretty much equivelant at the track.

http://www.gofastvideo.com/gallery/item/predownload/201/1/free-racing-videos/top-gear---bmw-m3-vs.-audi-s4.html

I'd give it to the Evo8 for reasons already mentioned

S4's were never faster then any evo's.

the old twin turbo S4's were 14 second cars.

the new V8 S4 is a high 13 second car.

the current watered down EVO 8 is a low 13 cars

the japanese version are mid 12 second cars.

bottom line i'm not impressed with the S4 at all. i can probrably take it from a roll.



B5 S4's run low 13s... And I dont think you would take a S4 from a roll. You would hang for a bit but there top speed demons... like most german sports cars. The Evo is faster though 1/4 and track wise though.

From a dig, EVO, from a roll, Audi. Like the discussion in the ///M5 v GTP thread, most German cars have a very high top end, so if the race is from a roll, or goes on for a distance, the S4 will win, but if its a short run from a dig, I think I'd put my money on the Audi. On a side note, the Audi as a 4.2L 340HP V8, the ///M3 as a 3.2L 333HP I6. The Audi only puts out about 7 more HP than the ///M3, despite having a full liter and 2 more cylinders. I officialy declare my love for the I6 Motor...

Hey tat, you probably could take one from a roll because it's AWD and depending how far the race goes, but I really don't know because I don't know how much lighter your car is. You're probably putting around 290-310 at the crank?

But you have to remember that there are a lot more Evos than S4s. A lot of people launch the Evos really hard while a lot of S4 drivers don't, the reason being, it would cost a lot more to replace a clutch on a $50K car with a V8 than a 30K car with a I4.

TatII if you want to run a S4 come up here and race my boys b4 S4 (the older S4) He only has minor mods like chip, rims, exhaust and 1 or 2 more little things like short shifter I think. I dont know what it runs but he eats evos up all day long. Bring extra doors :evillol:




Hey tat, you probably could take one from a roll because it's AWD and depending how far the race goes, but I really don't know because I don't know how much lighter your car is. You're probably putting around 290-310 at the crank?

Weight is less of a factor from a roll. And he is only making 250whp according to his sig. To be honest if they did race from a dig or roll he should get killed. I mean if he cant hang with his frineds Evo the S4 is only a little slower and only gets FASTer after the 1/4.

LoL

TatII if you want to run a S4 come up here and race my boys b4 S4 (the older S4) He only has minor mods like chip, rims, exhaust and 1 or 2 more little things like short shifter I think. I dont know what it runs but he eats evos up all day long. Bring extra doors :evillol:

Ha, all you had to say is "chip" and it's game over. Those chipped audis are crazy. I saw a chipped A4 quattro stay even with a new M3. The M3 driver was really cocky, saying "an audi is aight" and after the race he said that it's the weight difference :loser:

Stock against his modded car he could probably take an S4 from a roll but not by much at all, but it would be a lot different from a dig.

Weight is less of a factor from a roll. And he is only making 250whp according to his sig. To be honest if they did race from a dig or roll he should get killed. I mean if he cant hang with his frineds Evo the S4 is only a little slower and only gets FASTer after the 1/4.

You're right that weight is less of a factor from a roll, but look at it this way, with about 15% drivetrain loss, he's making about 270 hp at the crank and about 290 lb/ft of torque. Now taking aside the weight factor, the Audi is AWD which favors Tat. Now you know that the weight will make a little difference, so it would be a really close race. He might be able to take an S4 from a roll.

You're right that weight is less of a factor from a roll, but look at it this way, with about 15% drivetrain loss, he's making about 270 hp at the crank and about 290 lb/ft of torque. Now taking aside the weight factor, the Audi is AWD which favors Tat. Now you know that the weight will make a little difference, so it would be a really close race. He might be able to take an S4 from a roll.


I understand what your saying but if his friends Evo walks him bad from a roll. Then a S4 which is better then the Evo from a roll should beat him even worse.

Well, the Audi beat the M3 on the track by one second and it was only one second slower than a lamborghini. I don't know why or how you guys can say that the Evo is faster on a race track. I know the evo is AWD and has a nice suspension, but it's not as quick as the lamborghini.

I'm pretty sure it would be a close race. I thought that the M3s get into 12s. The race they had, the M3 barely beat the S4.

And Tat, if a friend in an stock evo beat you from a roll, then those hp and tq numbers can't be right. Something doesn't add up.

///M3 bone stock with a good driver runs, I believe, a 13.3. However, with minor adjustments to the cams, or any general mods (intake and exhaust combo, chip tunning, etc.) will put a ///M3 in the twelves. I think the videop I saw as a guy with a mild cam upgrade running a 12.5 or 12.6

Why dont u just race him to find out. I say the Evo cuz its lighter.

September 2003 SCC

1/4 0-60 5-100
EVO-14.0@97.7 5.9 16.0
M3- 13.6@104 5.4 12.6
S4- 13.8@100.6 5.6 14.2

Ok I know these times suck but hey there real world numbers. Also to restate the S4 numbers 344hp 410lb-ft. To give the EVO a break though I THINK I read something about the Evo useing worn tires.


Edit: Notice the 5-100 times. The Evo gets killed there, even the moded EVO they tested couldnt run 5-100 as fast as the S4 (Slowest german car in the group 911,M3,S4) From a roll your S15 (or is it S14) is toast.

September 2003 SCC

1/4 0-60 5-100
EVO-14.0@97.7 5.9 16.0
M3- 13.6@104 5.4 12.6
S4- 13.8@100.6 5.6 14.2

Ok I know these times suck but hey there real world numbers. Also to restate the S4 numbers 344hp 410lb-ft. To give the EVO a break though I THINK I read something about the Evo useing worn tires.


Yeah you can't trust those numbers, but having the same test drivers test drive all three cars would be the most fair comparison.

Also, like I said, a lot more younger people own evos and launch them harder than people launch S4s. It's really a drivers race but the S4 will deffinitely overtake it past 100.

I think they did use the same driver

Edit: The issue was to see if the 30k Evo chould hang with the more exspensive german cars. They compared the 911 C4S, E46 M3, B5 S4. The 911 was of course the fastest every where pretty much, the M3 was funnest (I know not a word) to drive because you got a lot of driver car feed back, the S4 would be the pick if you got a family, and the EV0 was the best bang for the buck. I mean I give the EVO a LOT of props. A 30k car hanging with mid 40k to low 80k sports cars and with a few mods beating them is some things. Thats just damn impressive.

I think they did use the same driver

That's what I'm saying. You can't compare different tracks, on different days, with different humidities with different drivers. Someone might say "I saw an evo run this at 60 degree wearther with a good driver" and at the same time someone might see an S4 run slower in 90 degrees with a shitty driver, or the other way around.

Even though that magazine driver might not be very good, he will be driving the same with every car. You can't have the "he's a better driver excuse" because it's the same driver.

LIke I said, he probably launched all cars the same. A lot of evo drivers are young and just drop the clutch every time. That's why they get those numbers. I know for a fact that I can take a stock evo from a roll because my friend in a G35C took one and when my friend and I raced, we stayed even in 1st and 2nd with him gaining maybe half a car length and in third I got 2 carlengths on him.

Anyway, you can't really compare these two cars unless you actually see them run against each other. I think an S4 can take an evo from a dig or roll, so unless I see otherwise, I'm gonna stick to that.

I understand what your saying but if his friends Evo walks him bad from a roll. Then a S4 which is better then the Evo from a roll should beat him even worse.

racerD12 you really don't know much about turbo cars huh? when they tested the that day every single car there was n/a. it was over 100 degrees outside. you know how much power i lost on the dyno when the car got hot? i lost 30whp. also the evo had a tired from previous test. and i lost to my friends evo because i'm a slow ass shifter becasue i'm afraid to grind 3rd in my car, which always happens. i'm not afriad to shift fast in the evo. so we swaped cars and we were very similar. he jumped on me because he hit boost sooner.

you should read the all my race post before anything. also learn more about the advantages of the turbo. and those numbers are real numbers. and i got them from a real dyno. shifting really matters alot. and evos are still no slouches from a roll. my friend and a E46 M3 was pretty much the same from a 5 mph roll until around 80mph cause they ran out of road. sure the M3 might've pulled a car in the end, but don't go on thinking they're garbage from a roll casue they're not. also he beat a 911 carrera from a roll, and he even didn't have to downshift to 2nd from 10mph and he was constantly taking him out over and over again.

also i work valet part time and we get a few S4's and when we floor them ( we can usually hit 60mph ) they honestly don't feel like shit.

I think your friend in the M3 must be a very very bad driver. Read the post above yours. My friend in a G35C beat an evo from a roll. Noone says they're slauches, but their main strength are races from a stop. They're quick from a roll, but they're not that fast. Your friend in an M3 should have put a few cars on him from a roll.

I think your friend in the M3 must be a very very bad driver. Read the post above yours. My friend in a G35C beat an evo from a roll. Noone says they're slauches, but their main strength are races from a stop. They're quick from a roll, but they're not that fast. Your friend in an M3 should have put a few cars on him from a roll.


or the driver in the EVO is a really lousy driver. i don't know the guy int he m3. he saw him at the light. after that race, they both pulled over, and as it turns out, the M3 is his beater, and his true race car is the EVO.

my friend can chirp shifting from 1st to 2nd in the stock EVO. not alot of people can do that.

i know 3 people who drive evo's. and only one of them can drive them fast. the other guys can hardly beat a 330ci from a roll. you really gotta know how to drive that car. i mean my friend in a mazda millenia S beat my other friend in the EVO once. and he was talking smack to my other friend witht he EVO ( the good driver ) and you know how bad we burnd him? we beat him too far we can't see his headlights anymore in the first 5 seconds of the race, and he kept goin till 135mph dipping lanes and cornering. the stock evo's top speed is actually closer to 160mph ( granted it takes a very very long time to get there ).

No, I'm sure an evo can hold it's own up to about 80 with an M3, but after that the M3 should start pulling on him hard.

Can't wait till EVO X comes out:D

When is the Evo X coming out. Does anybody have a link so i can see the EVO X.

racerD12 you really don't know much about turbo cars huh? when they tested the that day every single car there was n/a. it was over 100 degrees outside. you know how much power i lost on the dyno when the car got hot? i lost 30whp. also the evo had a tired from previous test. and i lost to my friends evo because i'm a slow ass shifter becasue i'm afraid to grind 3rd in my car, which always happens. i'm not afriad to shift fast in the evo. so we swaped cars and we were very similar. he jumped on me because he hit boost sooner.

you should read the all my race post before anything. also learn more about the advantages of the turbo. and those numbers are real numbers. and i got them from a real dyno. shifting really matters alot. and evos are still no slouches from a roll. my friend and a E46 M3 was pretty much the same from a 5 mph roll until around 80mph cause they ran out of road. sure the M3 might've pulled a car in the end, but don't go on thinking they're garbage from a roll casue they're not. also he beat a 911 carrera from a roll, and he even didn't have to downshift to 2nd from 10mph and he was constantly taking him out over and over again.

also i work valet part time and we get a few S4's and when we floor them ( we can usually hit 60mph ) they honestly don't feel like shit.


All the things you said above about turbos I am a where of but all those test where not done on the same day. However my point still stands The S4 is ALMOST as fast as the EVO in the 1/4 and FASTER from a roll. I mean the S4 is 2sec faster then the EVO from 5-100. Thats a lot even if you ran the EVO on a cold day dont try and tell me the EVO would make up 2sec from 5-100. 2sec is a LOT of car lengths.

So back to your car vs S4. If the S4 is faster then the EVO from a roll. And your friend who is a good driver in your car still could only hang with you a not as good driver (compared to him) in the EVO, then your car will get killed by the S4. If its got a good driver.

also i work valet part time and we get a few S4's and when we floor them ( we can usually hit 60mph ) they honestly don't feel like shit.

Where do you work so I know to never bring my car there.

Well the regular Evo 8 get 271 BHP adn 273 lbs of torque. 0-60 in 4.8 seconds, the S4 is 5.1 i think. it's 1/4 mile is 13.7. from a dig i take the EVO if the race isn't long cause once we top a 100 the S4 gets the major advantage. If you the evo a bit, change the gearings you can even keep up with the S4 past 100. but i'm not an expert on cars i'm only 17 and don't plan on racing till my driving skills get better or till i get the EVO X which is coming out in 07. i'll try to find a site to post links.

those test were done on the same day. also they were goin from a 5mph roll. no matter what kind of turbo car it is, from such a low speed roll, your goin to get lag. try doing a 20mph and see what happens to those numbers. the evo from 3.5K rpm up in 1st gear will have no lag, and will hit 19 psi by 5K rpm. we've done this test many times in person so we would know what were talkin about.

now i admit that i probrably might not take a S4 from a roll. but most S4's i see in the mags runs a 13.7 at 103mph. it doesnt' make sense that a AWD with that much hp runs such a slow time, yet traps the same as a EVO. it just doesnt' make sense. yet the fastest time i saw is a 13.5 @105mph. this is exactly what most m3's run. and traps very similar. how is a AWD goin to run such a slow time with such a high trap speed? that is what i don't understand. if the EVO can trap 105 thats a 13.0 to 12.9 second car.

anyhow, if you know anyone with a S4 the V8 one and if you guys are near, i'll have my friend with the EVO race them from a roll and from a dig. i told my friend about it, and hes like we'll if they live near i'll race them.

When is the Evo X coming out. Does anybody have a link so i can see the EVO X.

what in the flying dogbullock is an EVO X?????

This really belongs in car comparisons.

Moving. . .

upon further research, i found out that the twin turbo S4's takes a whole 15 seconds to hit 100mph. kinda slow for a AWD car. esp from a dig. we'll i'll be looking for a few twin turbo S4's on the highway and if they want to run i'll post the results. and for anyone with a stock V8 S4 who lives around forest hills queens nyc. area, the challenge is still open. this is not for money, just for fun.

EVO X is the EVO 10 comming out in 07 i read in a magazine that it's gonna have 300-350 HP out of the same engine. not sure about it comming over to the states.

Yeah, but the older S4s only had around 250 hp or so. I don't think the S4 would hit 105 by the end of the quarter mile. That around the same mph that M3s hit.

AWD + 105 mph would mostl likely put it in 12s. Myabe it's a typo.

EVO X is the EVO 10 comming out in 07 i read in a magazine that it's gonna have 300-350 HP out of the same engine. not sure about it comming over to the states.

I want to see this magazine, because theres a 90% chance that either you, or they are full of crap; or else someone over at Mitsubishi forgot the Evo IX...

As for Evo VIII vs. S4, I say Evo in the 1/4 mile and thats about it, S4 should be able to take it in pretty much any other competition.

the IX is coming out it's basically gonna be the same thing as the 8 with a few differences

There's no way in hell the S4 is gonna take the Evo around just about any track. They both have excellent suspensions and AWD systems, but the Evo's brakes and tires are insane, and it's almost 500 pounds lighter than an S4.

also the S4's brakes are garbage. who da hell puts a dual piston floating caliper on a near 4000 lb car? i mean its such a downgrade from the 6 pot fixed caliper that came on the older S4's. the S4's are slightly slower then a M3 around a race track. but the EVO can run around 2 seconds faster around the same track. the EVO in top is one of the fastest cars there, even faster then the murceliago. and ahead of even the M3 CSL

The S4 is two tons? I didn't think it was quite that much.

the S4 is 3900 lbs.

Oh okay then, I doubt it has any chance of hell of beating an Evo around any track.

Do you have the video where a stock evo beat an M3 on top gear? I'd really like to see that one because I really don't believe it as much as I like the evo.

The S4 was a whole second faster than an M3. Let me see how an evo does at that same track.

Ok never mind, I found it.

You're right, the Evo is faster than the S4 around a race track. However, if someone said to me "you can have two evos or one S4" I'd still pick the S4 because it's actually a fully loaded luxury car you can enjoy every day and still be fast in it. And the S4 would take an evo from a roll.

But, the evo didn't beat a CLS M3 on the race track and an S4 is faster than the plain M3. Also, the Murcielago is a whole 5 seconds faster than an evo 8. I'm really suprised to see most of the cars there, especially the Focus RS and the Golf. Isn't the golf FWD?


Mercedes-Mclaren SLR - 1.20.9
Ferrari 360 CS - 1.22.3
Porsche 911 GT3 RS - 1.22.3
Lamborghini Murcielago - 1.23.7
Pagani Zonda - 1.23.8
Koenigsegg - 1.23.9
Noble M12 GTO-3 - 1.25.0
Lamborghini Gallardo - 1.25.8
Lotus Exige - 1.26.4
Porsche 911 GT3 - 1.27.2
TVR T350c - 1.27.5
BMW M3 CSL - 1.28.0
MG SV - 1.28.6
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VIII - 1.28.9
Alpina Roadster (Z8) - 1.29.0
Subaru Impreza STi - 1.30.1
Aston Martin DB7 GT - 1.30.4
Audi S4 - 1.30.9
Porsche 911 Turbo - 1.31.0
Vauxhall VX220 Turbo - 1.31.3
Honda NSX Type R - 1.31.6
BMW M3 - 1.31.8
Nissan 350Z - 1.31.8
Mazda RX-8 - 1.31.8
Ford Focus RS - 1.32.2
Lotus Esprit V8 - 1.32.5
Audi TT V6 - 1.32.7
Noble M12 - 1.33.1
Mercedes SL55 AMG - 1.33.2
VW Golf R32 - 1.33.2
Volvo S60R - 1.35.0
Ferrari 575 - 1.35.2
Alfa Romeo 147 GTA - 1.35.6
Lotus Elise - 1.35.6
Aston Martin Vanquish - 1.36.2
Renault Clio V6 - 1.36.2
Honda Civic Type R - 1.36.5
Saab 9-5 HOT Aero - 1.37.9
Maserati Coupe - 1.38.0
Bowler Wildcat - 1.39.4
Bentley Arnarge - 1.40.8
Range Rover overfinch - 1.44.0

go look for the test where they tested the evo 8 MR. the MR did the track in 1:26 seconds flat.

also the new king of the lap times is now the porsche carrera GT

Yeah I know, I saw that carrera GT when they tested it.

Anyway, what is the MR? Is that the same as the RS evo without air conditioning and everything else - pretty much just like a race car? Anyone can make a car lighter, name it a different model and race it. If they took all the options the audi has out, they'd shave a lot of weight off. Heated leather seats weigh a lot, unlike racing seats like the evo probably has. That's not an excuse, it just shows that one is made for just racing, the other one is a luxury sports car for every day driving. Not that you can't drive the evo every day, but which one would you seriously rather have?

Anyway, if they took a RS4 and took all the options out that they don't need for racing, like they did with the evo MR or RS, the result would be totally different.

Anyway, I'm really disappointed with the SL55 AMGs time. RWD - almost 500 hp and over 500 lb/ft of torque should do a lot better than that.

I was too. I sat in one at the dealership and it was soo nice. However there heavy ass mofos.


Anyways I think this thread is pretty much done. From a dig for a 1/4 mile or track EVO>S4. Any longer then a 1/4 mile S4>EVO and from a roll S4>EVO

I'm really suprised to see most of the cars there, especially the Focus RS and the Golf. Isn't the golf FWD?

It's the R32 Golf and it's all wheel drive. 240hp VR6