chevy vs ford

:evillol: who do yall think makes the most over rated cars , i think the reason why some of the camaro and mustang's don't hit there 1/4 mile times like the company's say they can is because of the driver's not because they are severly over rated. :banghead:

Dodge. Besides the Viper (which is outdone by the Corvette), they have no RWD V8 muscle. Just recently, they've brought back the 300C and the Magnum, and a 340 HP Charger is on the way, so maybe they'll make a comeback.

I think Ford is the most overrated. They are the only one of the major companies to adopt the modular engine and reduce Cubic Inches. And for the most part they arent that fast. I think the one major problem for the mustang is that they kept the 5-speed for so long. Well that and GT's normally only dyno between 220-240hp stock. The Mach 1 is a bit better, but still only rated at 305 and dynoing about 280 to the wheels.
Other than them the only other real let downs are the Corvette and the Corvette ZO6. Corvettes rate at 350hp, but often are only putting down 310. And the ZO6 rates at 405 but normally does about 355hp. However there is a reason for this and thats because they have a lot more drivetrain loss than other cars. But thats why they handle really well.

Dodge. Besides the Viper (which is outdone by the Corvette), they have no RWD V8 muscle. Just recently, they've brought back the 300C and the Magnum, and a 340 HP Charger is on the way, so maybe they'll make a comeback.

Eh I need to see proof that a Z06 could take an RT/10 Viper. I just don't see that happening at all. Z06s are good, real good, but not Viper good.

No a ZO6 cant take a Viper out. Not stock to stock anyways. Especially not a new one. But give Chevy until January when they show there new C6 ZO6. Rumored to have 500hp. But we will have to see what they do to try and match the Viper in handling. That'll be the hard part.
My roommate has a 2002 Black ZO6 that can take out Vipers. But his car isnt stock. He has BFG Drag Radials, Exhaust, Full bolt-ons, and the T-REX cam(242in/246ex 608lift, 109 lobe seperation). And we are currently waiting for a part to finish the 150 shot of nitrous on it. Car is currently running 11.5@122(gear restricted) and dynos 433 to the wheels.
Oh and this is for you Fordjunky, we raced the ZO6 against a friends 03 Cobra with a Kennybell. He dynos 605hp and we have videotapes of the ZO6 beating him everytime but one. I will admit though that the belt was slipping and broke that night, but it still dynoed over 600 and lost. Even the owner admitted defeat.

Eh I need to see proof that a Z06 could take an RT/10 Viper. I just don't see that happening at all. Z06s are good, real good, but not Viper good.

I meant bang-for-buck wise...Vipers cost almost twice as much as the C6 Corvette, and I KNOW it's not worth the extra 45K.

I meant bang-for-buck wise...Vipers cost almost twice as much as the C6 Corvette, and I KNOW it's not worth the extra 45K.


Yeah for the money you save, you could bring the vette up to about 600-700 hp. I think dodge is the most overrated too, the new charger will be cool to see but its supposed to weigh like 4100 pounds, that'll really hurt it. I'm a chevy guy but they seem to be lacking in performance cars right now. the corvette is it. they killed the camaro and came out with that stupid ssr. the ssr is too damn heavy to be fast.
The Silverado SS cant compete with the lightning and the Dodge RT/10 or whatever they call their truck with the viper engine. The joe gibbs siverado is cool cause it is faster then the ss and has a manual but it still isnt as good as the Ford and Dodge. Chevy really needs to step it up and bring back the camaro. I also heard rumors of bringing back the Chevelle, how cool would that be?

Yeah, they need to bring back the Chevelle to compliment the GTO. I dunno if GM will bring back the Camaro/Firebird duo, and I dunno if they need to with the Chevelle and GTO running around, but we can always hope.

I don't see how anyone could call Chrysler overrated. They have always been the black sheep of the big three. If you asked a bunch of people who makes the best pickup truck most are going to say the Ford F-150. If you ask a bunch of people which American car is the best they are most likely going to say the Corvette or the Mustang. Neither of which are true. Dodge has the best diesel on the market the Cummins. They also have the best gasoline engine the Hemi. They also make the fastest production truck on the planet the SRT-10 Ram.

As far as the Viper goes, yeah it is a lot more expensive than the Mustang and the Corvette. However, it isn't really in the same market as those two. The Mustang and the Corvette are both mass-produced on an assembly line while the Viper is assembled by hand. The Mustang and the Corvette are filled with cheap plastics while the Viper uses much finer materials. The fit and finish on the Viper is much better. The SRT-10 also will certainly outperform a Mustang in every way possible as well as the Corvette, which I might add, uses leaf spring in the back. Get with the times Chevy! The Viper also has much more potential than either the Mustang or the Corvette. Remember there is no replacement for displacement. The Viper will always come out ahead mod for mod. The SRT-10 is also barely outperformed by the GT, which is a lot more expensive than the SRT-10. While the GT is a purpose built racing car for the streets the Viper is a convertible, something not usually associated with fast lap times. The Viper is more of an exotic car than the Corvette or the Mustang. They are more along the lines of sports cars. The Viper is really being marketed to a different crowd. Most people shopping for a Viper aren't even going to consider the Corvette or Mustang so you can’t really compare them on price. You say just wait until the C6 Z06 comes out, well Dodge will have an answer. They will have the Viper Coupe waiting for it and I have no doubts that it will make short work of the new Z06.

Also, Chrysler has some of the best bangs for your buck. The SRT-4 is dirt-cheap fun. The 300 is dirt cheap luxury. A lot of their cars have very low base prices for a lot of stuff. Even the new 2005 Jeep has a pretty low base price with a lot to offer. In my opinion Chrysler's products are a far better value than Ford or Chevy.

As to answer the question, I think that Chevy and Ford are equally overrated. Ford for their trucks and Chevy for the Corvette.

whoops dagumit i voted on the wrong one! id have to say chevy is the most overrated.

I think Ford is the most overrated. They are the only one of the major companies to adopt the modular engine and reduce Cubic Inches. And for the most part they arent that fast. I think the one major problem for the mustang is that they kept the 5-speed for so long. Well that and GT's normally only dyno between 220-240hp stock. The Mach 1 is a bit better, but still only rated at 305 and dynoing about 280 to the wheels.
Other than them the only other real let downs are the Corvette and the Corvette ZO6. Corvettes rate at 350hp, but often are only putting down 310. And the ZO6 rates at 405 but normally does about 355hp. However there is a reason for this and thats because they have a lot more drivetrain loss than other cars. But thats why they handle really well.

every car has drivetrain loss, and if the numbers that you listed are correct, then they actually have less loss than most. On average the loss is 15% and for the vette you listed numbers below this.

I don't see how anyone could call Chrysler overrated. They have always been the black sheep of the big three. If you asked a bunch of people who makes the best pickup truck most are going to say the Ford F-150. If you ask a bunch of people which American car is the best they are most likely going to say the Corvette or the Mustang. Neither of which are true. Dodge has the best diesel on the market the Cummins. They also have the best gasoline engine the Hemi. They also make the fastest production truck on the planet the SRT-10 Ram.

As far as the Viper goes, yeah it is a lot more expensive than the Mustang and the Corvette. However, it isn't really in the same market as those two. The Mustang and the Corvette are both mass-produced on an assembly line while the Viper is assembled by hand. The Mustang and the Corvette are filled with cheap plastics while the Viper uses much finer materials. The fit and finish on the Viper is much better. The SRT-10 also will certainly outperform a Mustang in every way possible as well as the Corvette, which I might add, uses leaf spring in the back. Get with the times Chevy! The Viper also has much more potential than either the Mustang or the Corvette. Remember there is no replacement for displacement. The Viper will always come out ahead mod for mod. The SRT-10 is also barely outperformed by the GT, which is a lot more expensive than the SRT-10. While the GT is a purpose built racing car for the streets the Viper is a convertible, something not usually associated with fast lap times. The Viper is more of an exotic car than the Corvette or the Mustang. They are more along the lines of sports cars. The Viper is really being marketed to a different crowd. Most people shopping for a Viper aren't even going to consider the Corvette or Mustang so you can’t really compare them on price. You say just wait until the C6 Z06 comes out, well Dodge will have an answer. They will have the Viper Coupe waiting for it and I have no doubts that it will make short work of the new Z06.

Also, Chrysler has some of the best bangs for your buck. The SRT-4 is dirt-cheap fun. The 300 is dirt cheap luxury. A lot of their cars have very low base prices for a lot of stuff. Even the new 2005 Jeep has a pretty low base price with a lot to offer. In my opinion Chrysler's products are a far better value than Ford or Chevy.

As to answer the question, I think that Chevy and Ford are equally overrated. Ford for their trucks and Chevy for the Corvette.

two questions...how is the Corvette overrated and since when is the hemi the best gas engine on the market?

I don't think the Corvette is overrated at all; for the segment that it competes in, it's the best bang-for-buck by far. And in my opinion, LS2 >> Hemi.

two questions...how is the Corvette overrated and since when is the hemi the best gas engine on the market?

The Corvette is one of the most overrated cars I've ever seen. Corvette fanboys talk about it like it is the God of all cars. It is the American Skyline. I don't how many arguments that I've gotten into about the Z06. They had it beating Ferraris, Vipers, and host of other cars. You can't tell me that a Z06 could touch a 360 Modena SC. Not a chance in hell, but there are a lot of Chevy fanboys that think it can. The Corvette is a nice car, but it isn't nice as half the people make it out to be. As for the Hemi I was talking about in the trucks, and that is just my opinion, take it or leave it.

It may not be faster than those cars, but its definatley the best bang for the buck. Also if you wanna compare the Corvette to a modena compare the lingenfelter, thats actually in a closer price bracket.

It may not be faster than those cars, but its definatley the best bang for the buck. Also if you wanna compare the Corvette to a modena compare the lingenfelter, thats actually in a closer price bracket.


Yeah the Lingenfelter TT with 850 hp for $165,000 would kick anything in that price ranges ass, Well i take that back, it would kick any production cars ass, including the $2,000,000 Ferrari Enzo. The lingenfelter does 0-60 in 1.97 seconds, quarter in 9.8.

But as far as the corvette and viper, what i was saying was, for the price you pay for a viper, you could buy a corvette and make it much faster than a viper. And the new corvette isnt filled with cheap plastic like the previous models. And the leaf springs work, the corvette handles very nice, and it keeps down costs. People say the corvette is stone age technology and things like that, but the corvette has everyting the targeted consumers want, without running up the price.

Yeah the Lingenfelter TT with 850 hp for $165,000 would kick anything in that price ranges ass, Well i take that back, it would kick any production cars ass, including the $2,000,000 Ferrari Enzo. The lingenfelter does 0-60 in 1.97 seconds, quarter in 9.8.

But as far as the corvette and viper, what i was saying was, for the price you pay for a viper, you could buy a corvette and make it much faster than a viper. And the new corvette isnt filled with cheap plastic like the previous models. And the leaf springs work, the corvette handles very nice, and it keeps down costs. People say the corvette is stone age technology and things like that, but the corvette has everyting the targeted consumers want, without running up the price.

Yeah, but can the Lingenfelter hold a turn for shit? I get so sick of this crap that straight line performance is everything. Also, I get sick of this argument that with the money you saved you can mod such and such. You don't have money left over. If you did you would have bought a more adept car to begin with. That is such a stupid debate. I don't care if you want to admit it or not but the C6 is still filled with cheap plastics. Also, the leaf springs work, in holding the car up. Do you see any serious race car, or any car meant to hold a turn for that matter with leaf springs? Hell no you don't. Leaf springs are ancient pieces of crap and don't belong on a sports car, or a $40,000 + sports car for that matter. That is not what I would call a bang for the buck or a good value.

That is what I call a rip off.

Yeah the Lingenfelter TT with 850 hp for $165,000 would kick anything in that price ranges ass, Well i take that back, it would kick any production cars ass, including the $2,000,000 Ferrari Enzo. The lingenfelter does 0-60 in 1.97 seconds, quarter in 9.8.

But as far as the corvette and viper, what i was saying was, for the price you pay for a viper, you could buy a corvette and make it much faster than a viper. And the new corvette isnt filled with cheap plastic like the previous models. And the leaf springs work, the corvette handles very nice, and it keeps down costs. People say the corvette is stone age technology and things like that, but the corvette has everyting the targeted consumers want, without running up the price.

OMG lets stop the modded arguments. Theyt lead nowhere.

But lets do take the vette buchering the viper pricewise. Current Car And Driver hennessey venom vs lingenfelter vette: the viper demolished it for only 12K more. In that price bracket (150k+) that is amount is spare change.

OMG lets stop the modded arguments. Theyt lead nowhere.

But lets do take the vette buchering the viper pricewise. Current Car And Driver hennessey venom vs lingenfelter vette: the viper demolished it for only 12K more. In that price bracket (150k+) that is amount is spare change.


But they didnt test the 850 hp lingenfelter did they?

Yeah, but can the Lingenfelter hold a turn for shit? I get so sick of this crap that straight line performance is everything. Also, I get sick of this argument that with the money you saved you can mod such and such. You don't have money left over. If you did you would have bought a more adept car to begin with. That is such a stupid debate. I don't care if you want to admit it or not but the C6 is still filled with cheap plastics. Also, the leaf springs work, in holding the car up. Do you see any serious race car, or any car meant to hold a turn for that matter with leaf springs? Hell no you don't. Leaf springs are ancient pieces of crap and don't belong on a sports car, or a $40,000 + sports car for that matter. That is not what I would call a bang for the buck or a good value.

That is what I call a rip off.


If i had the money for a viper i would still buy a corvette and put the money i save into it. And the corvette handles damn good. And people who buy corvettes dont care if its filled with plastic, its not a luxury car! Call it what you want, but Car and driver, Road and track, and Motor Trend agree that its a great value

Uhg... modded.

Ahywho, I don't see how the Corvette is overrated. Tell me of a car in the 55k or less bracket that could take in on a track (IE not dragstrip) Far as I know, there aren't any. In fact, you would have to go at least 10k higher to find one that keeps up. The Z06 is far from godly, and hell I can't stand Corvettes, but to say it's overrated may be a bit far. It's a proven car.

You haven't looked at a lot of cars.

The Evo MR is around $30,000 and it will take the C6 on the track. I am sure there are plenty of others, but I don't have time right now. I am not trying to say that the Corvette isn't a good car, because it is. I am just saying that a lot of people over estimate how good of a car it is. That would make the car overrated. That is just how I see when there are a lot of people saying that the Z06 can take down a 360 Modena. IT is just silly.

That is just my opinion.

But they didnt test the 850 hp lingenfelter did they?


its listed as 800hp/830tq, however I'm quite sure it was theit flagship vette since its full price was 149K with 70K in the powertrain alone


and i do not think the corvetter is overatted either, its got tremendous performance and it has a much better performace/price ratio than the viper.

However it does not reach the handbuilt quality, performance or exotic feel of a viper.

You haven't looked at a lot of cars.

The Evo MR is around $30,000 and it will take the C6 on the track. I am sure there are plenty of others, but I don't have time right now. I am not trying to say that the Corvette isn't a good car, because it is. I am just saying that a lot of people over estimate how good of a car it is. That would make the car overrated. That is just how I see when there are a lot of people saying that the Z06 can take down a 360 Modena. IT is just silly.

That is just my opinion.

No the MR cannot take the C6 on a track and it's been proven. It took the MR FQ320 to beat the C6 and they are pretty much the same amount of money.

I would venture to say the Z06 could take the 360 Mondena but I doubt the Challenge Stradale. However, that is a night and day difference.

No the MR cannot take the C6 on a track and it's been proven. It took the MR FQ320 to beat the C6 and they are pretty much the same amount of money.




Just a note, most FQ cars are just modded by dealers with HKS basic parts and have no suspension upgrades. Its very easy to make the same mods yourself.

No the MR cannot take the C6 on a track and it's been proven. It took the MR FQ320 to beat the C6 and they are pretty much the same amount of money.

I would venture to say the Z06 could take the 360 Mondena but I doubt the Challenge Stradale. However, that is a night and day difference.

Sorry, I don't think so.

You're completely proving my point that they're overrated.

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(Sorry I thought I would throw something funny out there)

Just a note, most FQ cars are just modded by dealers with HKS basic parts and have no suspension upgrades. Its very easy to make the same mods yourself.

Fair enough, but saying that an MR can take a C6 because of it's moddified counterparts is like saying Ligenfelter Corvette can take X,Y, and Z so therefore the Corvette can take X,Y, and Z. That's what I was getting at.

Although, in honesty that's sort of a bad comparison since the Lingenfelters are bit more then lightly modified.

I don't see how anyone could call Chrysler overrated. They have always been the black sheep of the big three. If you asked a bunch of people who makes the best pickup truck most are going to say the Ford F-150. If you ask a bunch of people which American car is the best they are most likely going to say the Corvette or the Mustang. Neither of which are true. Dodge has the best diesel on the market the Cummins. They also have the best gasoline engine the Hemi. They also make the fastest production truck on the planet the SRT-10 Ram.

As far as the Viper goes, yeah it is a lot more expensive than the Mustang and the Corvette. However, it isn't really in the same market as those two. The Mustang and the Corvette are both mass-produced on an assembly line while the Viper is assembled by hand. The Mustang and the Corvette are filled with cheap plastics while the Viper uses much finer materials. The fit and finish on the Viper is much better. The SRT-10 also will certainly outperform a Mustang in every way possible as well as the Corvette, which I might add, uses leaf spring in the back. Get with the times Chevy! The Viper also has much more potential than either the Mustang or the Corvette. Remember there is no replacement for displacement. The Viper will always come out ahead mod for mod. The SRT-10 is also barely outperformed by the GT, which is a lot more expensive than the SRT-10. While the GT is a purpose built racing car for the streets the Viper is a convertible, something not usually associated with fast lap times. The Viper is more of an exotic car than the Corvette or the Mustang. They are more along the lines of sports cars. The Viper is really being marketed to a different crowd. Most people shopping for a Viper aren't even going to consider the Corvette or Mustang so you can’t really compare them on price. You say just wait until the C6 Z06 comes out, well Dodge will have an answer. They will have the Viper Coupe waiting for it and I have no doubts that it will make short work of the new Z06.

Also, Chrysler has some of the best bangs for your buck. The SRT-4 is dirt-cheap fun. The 300 is dirt cheap luxury. A lot of their cars have very low base prices for a lot of stuff. Even the new 2005 Jeep has a pretty low base price with a lot to offer. In my opinion Chrysler's products are a far better value than Ford or Chevy.

As to answer the question, I think that Chevy and Ford are equally overrated. Ford for their trucks and Chevy for the Corvette.


Chrystler has been the black sheep out of the big 3 for very good reason, they have had the balls to release and extrodinary amount of falty products to name a few good examples: the 2.7ohc, the 604/606 tranny, the 2.2, all intrepids (possibibly one of the worse cars ever made all pre 92 dodge truck wiring systems, 60-70 poor quality metal used in body structure, 7.5" rear ends well I'll stop there I could go on and on

Chrystler has been the black sheep out of the big 3 for very good reason, they have had the balls to release and extrodinary amount of falty products to name a few good examples: the 2.7ohc, the 604/606 tranny, the 2.2, all intrepids (possibibly one of the worse cars ever made all pre 92 dodge truck wiring systems, 60-70 poor quality metal used in body structure, 7.5" rear ends well I'll stop there I could go on and on

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Don't be stupid. I used to own a 1994 Eagle Vision, which is the same car as the Intrepid. That Vision was a very reliable solid car. I have also owned a few cars with the 2.2L and I don't know where you get off calling it faulty. That is one of the most rock solid four bangers ever built. I’ve never had problems with any of mine. I'll admit that the A-604 wasn't a very good transmission.

I will tell you one thing. I used to own an AMC Wagoneer. The engine was a Chevy 2.8L V6. The transmission, gear boxes, and transfer case were all Chrysler, and the electronics were done by Ford. The original owner had to rebuild that 2.8L at a young 100,000 miles. The engine was also gutless as hell. That Jeep couldn't get out of its own way. I took care of that Jeep just like have every other car I've owned but it still developed rod knock at 189,000 miles and the power steering pump exploded! That is pathetic. Now, the electronics, my windows wouldn't roll down half the time and the brightness of the headlights were dependant on engine speed. I sold that pile of shit for fifty bucks to a scrap yard that tossed a new engine in it and sold it for over $3,000 with that same transmission, gear boxes, and transfer case that all had 188,000 miles on them and still worked great.

Don't get me started on some of the problems that the other two have had over the years. One big one that comes to mind is the exploding Pinto. It was almost like they had a rear bumper made of flint. All three have produced shoddy crap at one point or another; don’t try to make it like Chrysler is the only one.

You came in here just trying to start a shit storm. Go troll somewhere else. We don't want your flame war here.

I don't see how anyone could call Chrysler overrated. They have always been the black sheep of the big three. If you asked a bunch of people who makes the best pickup truck most are going to say the Ford F-150.

The Ford F-150 sells more trucks than Chevy or Dodge in that class

If you ask a bunch of people which American car is the best they are most likely going to say the Corvette or the Mustang. Neither of which are true. Dodge has the best diesel on the market the Cummins. They also have the best gasoline engine the Hemi. They also make the fastest production truck on the planet the SRT-10 Ram.

The Corvette and Mustang are the best American cars. The Viper is overrated and priced. Also, Dodge does not make their diesel engine just the truck. They are lucky to even have Cummins putting their engine in their truck

The SRT-10 also will certainly outperform a Mustang in every way possible as well as the Corvette. The Viper also has much more potential than either the Mustang or the Corvette. Remember there is no replacement for displacement. The Viper will always come out ahead mod for mod. The Viper is more of an exotic car than the Corvette or the Mustang. They are more along the lines of sports cars. The Viper is really being marketed to a different crowd. Most people shopping for a Viper aren't even going to consider the Corvette or Mustang so you can’t really compare them on price. You say just wait until the C6 Z06 comes out, well Dodge will have an answer. They will have the Viper Coupe waiting for it and I have no doubts that it will make short work of the new Z06.

HA HA!!! Thanks Polygon I really needed a good laugh today. The Viper has the world's largest engine in it and only makes 500 hp. WOW! Ford has it beat 9 ways to sunday. First off the 03-04 svt cobra can have 2 grand in mods and will smoke a Viper 0-60 time, 1/4 mile time, ect. The mustang only has a 4.6L and its going head to head with big bad 8.3. The ford shelby a/c cobra will have 600 hp coming from a 6.0L, which I might add was designed from the mustang's own v-10. The cobra will cost as much as a viper and beats it in every single catagory.
No replacement for displacement is totally false. I just proved it. The Porshe 911 TT is pumping out 460 hp from a 3.6L and it beats the viper off the line, in the 1/4, 0-60 ect. It's all about what you do with your engine and how its tuned NOT how big it is.
Also the viper will not come ahead in mods. Their are more mods on the market for mustangs and corvettes. These 2 also responed better to mods than the Viper.

As to answer the question, I think that Chevy and Ford are equally overrated. Ford for their trucks and Chevy for the Corvette.

Dodge is so overrated it isn't funny! The only thing dodge did good on was the hemi and it pulled their butt out of the fire.
Ford is showing true bang for the buck with the svt cobras. Chevy is showing bang for the buck with their new c6 vette.
Dodge can keep their viper v-10 b/c in a few years it wont matter. Ford's 4.6 is bringing on the heat and chevy's ls2 looks very promising.

The Ford F-150 sells more trucks than Chevy or Dodge in that class

So, what is your point? Just because they sell more trucks doesn't mean they are better.

The Corvette and Mustang are the best American cars. The Viper is overrated and priced. Also, Dodge does not make their diesel engine just the truck. They are lucky to even have Cummins putting their engine in their truck

1. The Viper is not overpriced. It is not marketed to compete with the Mustang or the Corvette. Can't you read? The Corvette and Mustang are mass-produced while the Viper is hand built and has a much better fit and finish. It also out performs the Corvette and Mustang. It is more of an exotic than a sports car like the Corvette and the Mustang. You pay for more than just performance when you buy a car you know? If that is the only reason you buy a car then you're either a race team owner or stupid.

2. Yeah, the Cummins isn't built buy Dodge, but what is your point there? International builds Ford’s diesel and Isuzu builds Chevy’s. None of them make their own diesel smart guy.

HA HA!!! Thanks Polygon I really needed a good laugh today. The Viper has the world's largest engine in it and only makes 500 hp. WOW! Ford has it beat 9 ways to sunday. First off the 03-04 svt cobra can have 2 grand in mods and will smoke a Viper 0-60 time, 1/4 mile time, ect. The mustang only has a 4.6L and its going head to head with big bad 8.3. The ford shelby a/c cobra will have 600 hp coming from a 6.0L, which I might add was designed from the mustang's own v-10. The cobra will cost as much as a viper and beats it in every single catagory.

No replacement for displacement is totally false. I just proved it. The Porshe 911 TT is pumping out 460 hp from a 3.6L and it beats the viper off the line, in the 1/4, 0-60 ect. It's all about what you do with your engine and how its tuned NOT how big it is.
Also the viper will not come ahead in mods. Their are more mods on the market for mustangs and corvettes. These 2 also responed better to mods than the Viper.

1. Yes, it has an 8.3L Engine and only produces 505HP and 525 ft/lbs of torque. However, the Viper's engine could effortlessly produce more, but to what end? The SRT-10 is more of a cruiser being a convertible. It doesn't need more horsepower. Just because you can make more power doesn't mean you have to. For instance, in 1998 and 1999 the Dodge Viper GTS-R was dominating GT racing. At times they were beating cars in the prototype class. This was from a car with the 8.0L V10 producing plenty of power effortlessly. Eventually other teams complained and it was deemed that the Viper had an unfair advantage and restrictions were placed on the GTS-R. Soon after Chrysler pulled their backing of the teams. Not that Chrysler hasn't seen that before.

2. Give me a break; just give it up with the argument that you can mod whatever car to beat whatever car. That is so stupid. Sure you can modify just about any car to beat any other car, who cares. The point is that the Mustang can't beat it from the factory. Put that same money into the Viper and the Viper is still going to come out on top.

3. You know, that says a lot that you compare the Cobra to the Viper. The SRT-10 is more of a show boating car. It is a convertible something not usually associated with a performance car. However, it stops faster, accelerates faster, and turns better than the Corvette and the Mustang which are more purpose built sports cars. Now, why don't you compare the Cobra to the next Viper to come out? The Viper coupe, which is currently mopping up in the SCCA. It will have more power and will be more purpose built. I don't see the Cobra or the Corvette out performing it.

4. You must not have much of an understanding of physics. There is no replacement for displacement. Not technology, not tuning, not even forced induction. It is quite simple, airflow equals power, and the more you have the better. By simple physics bigger engines have more airflow. Granted there is more to it than that. You can have a big engine with a restrictive exhaust and intake that will hurt it, however we all know that the Viper has a good exhaust and intake. Anyhow, the point is that if you were to install the exact same turbo kit on the Mustang and the Viper you would get more power from the turbo on the Viper. Bigger displacement equals more power, which means the bigger engine will yield higher results for the same mods. As for that Porsche engine, I can guarantee you that it is pretty high strung and you wouldn’t be able to get much more power out of it than that. On a side note, there is a lot more to acceleration than power. Gearing, horsepower, torque, weight, aerodynamics, traction, and other factors determine how fast you accelerate. Sounds like you've been reading too much Motor Trend.

Dodge is so overrated it isn't funny! The only thing dodge did good on was the hemi and it pulled their butt out of the fire. Ford is showing true bang for the buck with the svt cobras. Chevy is showing bang for the buck with their new c6 vette.
Dodge can keep their viper v-10 b/c in a few years it wont matter. Ford's 4.6 is bringing on the heat and chevy's ls2 looks very promising.

You have just proven my point that Chrysler is underrated. They have done a lot of other things besides just the Hemi. Also, I never said that the Mustang wasn't a good bang for the buck. The Corvette is a good bang for the buck but I feel it is slightly over priced. All I said is that Ford and Chevy are overrated. Everyone that has argued with me has helped me prove that point.

Also, you might enjoy these two videos, or not.

http://www.gigatechsoftware.com/cars/viper-manny-race-stang%20red%20lights-low.wmv

http://www.gigatechsoftware.com/cars/viper-manny-race-missing%202nd%20gear.wmv

The Corvette and Mustang are the best American cars. The Viper is overrated and priced. Also, Dodge does not make their diesel engine just the truck. They are lucky to even have Cummins putting their engine in their truck


Do yourself a favor and don't post anymore. The Viper overrated? Wow. Just wow. I don't even know where to start on that one. Sorry but Viper is second best only to the new Ford GT. That's it.


HA HA!!! Thanks Polygon I really needed a good laugh today. The Viper has the world's largest engine in it and only makes 500 hp. WOW! Ford has it beat 9 ways to sunday. First off the 03-04 svt cobra can have 2 grand in mods and will smoke a Viper 0-60 time, 1/4 mile time, ect.


For one, the old SVT Cobra will never be half the track car the Viper is. Plain and simple. Drop all the money you want into it. Anyone who knows anything about the old F-Body design would know that the old SVT Cobra is too heavy, the body too old, and the IRS was shoe horned into the damned body. In all fairness, it the 79-2004 Mustang was never made to run the track like a Viper. It just isn't possible. Mustang was originally made for best bang for the buck and mostly straight line at that. That continued that until the newest design (2005) where even though they kept the solid axle, they improved the handling (Better suspension, claimed 200% increase in body stiffness) to be able to keep up (Hopefully) with the base WRX, Mini S, and so on.


The mustang only has a 4.6L and its going head to head with big bad 8.3. The ford shelby a/c cobra will have 600 hp coming from a 6.0L, which I might add was designed from the mustang's own v-10. The cobra will cost as much as a viper and beats it in every single catagory.


Get with the news, the Shelby Cobra concept is dead. They aren't going to build it so this is a pointless arguement.


No replacement for displacement is totally false. I just proved it. The Porshe 911 TT is pumping out 460 hp from a 3.6L and it beats the viper off the line, in the 1/4, 0-60 ect. It's all about what you do with your engine and how its tuned NOT how big it is.


Sigh. Yes there is no replacement for displacement. More displacement means more achievable power. This is basic car stuff. On top of that, do you really think they can't pump out more horsepower from the Viper engine? There is no real point to it. It's already a supurb track car and would take the 911 TT on the track. No doubt about it.

Also, the Porsche example is horrible. IT'S A TWIN TURBO CAR. Read, TWIN TURBO. Of course it's going to pull more horsepower to displacement. Twin turbo Vipers pull more then 1000 horsepower, so where's your arguement on that? At least you could have mentioned the Ferrari 360 or 430.

And of all things, are you seriously going to bring that lame arguement about horsepower/liters? That makes me laugh. Horsepower to weight is way more important which the Viper has in spades.


Also the viper will not come ahead in mods. Their are more mods on the market for mustangs and corvettes. These 2 also responed better to mods than the Viper.


Eh yeah....

Sigh, I'm a Ford guy and a Mustang owner and you're give me a bad name.

Anyone who knows anything about the old F-Body design would know that the old SVT Cobra is too heavy, the body too old, and the IRS was shoe horned into the damned body.


F-bodies are made by gm. Camaro/Firebird


Sigh. Yes there is no replacement for displacement. More displacement means more achievable power. This is basic car stuff. On top of that, do you really think they can't pump out more horsepower from the Viper engine? There is no real point to it. It's already a supurb track car and would take the 911 TT on the track. No doubt about it.


I really don't think that it can take a 911 tt on the track. maybe if the track had very few turns.


Also, the Porsche example is horrible. IT'S A TWIN TURBO CAR. Read, TWIN TURBO. Of course it's going to pull more horsepower to displacement. Twin turbo Vipers pull more then 1000 horsepower, so where's your arguement on that? At least you could have mentioned the Ferrari 360 or 430.


I'm pretty sure that on the 911, the turbos work sequentially, so by putting in the 2nd turbo it does not double the hp gained. If it had a single turbo, they would have put in a larger one, which would have made more power. They put in two to reduce turbo lag because after all it is a car made for the track.

F-bodies are made by gm. Camaro/Firebird

I really don't think that it can take a 911 tt on the track. maybe if the track had very few turns.

I'm pretty sure that on the 911, the turbos work sequentially, so by putting in the 2nd turbo it does not double the hp gained. If it had a single turbo, they would have put in a larger one, which would have made more power. They put in two to reduce turbo lag because after all it is a car made for the track.

Fox body... Mustang. I put f-body because I was being stupid. My bad.

And yes, the Viper RT/10 would smoke any street legal porsche on a track with two exceptions, 911 GT3 RS and the Carrera GT. Not sure how it would fare against the RS since it is comparable to the 360 CS which is one hell of a car. However, comparing the 911 TT and a Viper is sort of silly since they aren't even the same type of car. The Viper is much more akin to the RS, or the 360 CS, or the Ford Gt, or any other straight up street legal track car around the say 200k price range. I would think it's safe to say the Carrera GT wouldn't even be a match. However, the Carrera GT is on a whole other level.

And I have no idea what you are getting at with the third paragraph. What does that have to do with more diplacement = more potential or that a Viper can produce insane horsepower/displacement with a twin turbo setup? The point I thought I was making is comparing horsepower gains of a turboed car to a naturally aspirated car is ridiculous. It's easier to get more horsepower per liter when you add any kind of forced air induction to an engine. I never said anything about two turbos = double the horsepower.

Where does Porsche come in on the whole Ford vs. Chevrolet topic..?

This debate is gonna be solved in a hurry

My opinion the new Chrysler 300C is the most overrated car out there.When it first came out it was talked up to be something great,its not.Its a nice car,but its no different than any other Chrysler car.Interior materials are the cheepest I have ever seen in a "luxury" car(if thats what you want to call the 300).They compare to the materials in my moms Grand Am.Very cheep plastic everywhere.And the seats are like bricks.Chryslers still got a long way to go.Not to mention there pretty damn unreliable to.I call that overrated,and all you people know what Im talking about.In all the magazines it was the new king shit.I drove one,its nothing special.