Gallardo Vs 911 Vs 360 Vs 430

Hi I was just wondering what you guys would choose. Feel free to give reasons for your choice.

Thanks for the help

the turbo is just an all around good car

Don't like the 360, partly because of the F430, but also because Ferrari made a dogs dinner of the styling in my oppinion.

Wouldn't take the F430 because of the "i've got a small penis" image, and the quality isn't as good as the Lambo or Porsche.

I wouldn't have a Gallardo because it lacks the gullwing doors, and looks a bit to in your face for me, which leaves me with the Turbo...

...sleek, svelt, powerful, useable, good quality, inconspicuouse. amd above all, a 911.

Don't like the 360, partly because of the F430, but also because Ferrari made a dogs dinner of the styling in my oppinion.

Wouldn't take the F430 because of the "i've got a small penis" image, and the quality isn't as good as the Lambo or Porsche.

I wouldn't have a Gallardo because it lacks the gullwing doors, and looks a bit to in your face for me, which leaves me with the Turbo...

...sleek, svelt, powerful, useable, good quality, inconspicuouse. amd above all, a 911.


You don't like the 360 because of the 430? That makes no sense, those are two different cars. And the 360 is perhaps the best looking car in the world at this very moment.

Second there is no way to know the quality of the 430 since none have been sold yet so you can at best asume. And 360's have been proven to be quite reliable.

And if you chose that argument:
"i've got a small penis" image
FYI it can be very easily aplied to the porche or lambo, and to all the cars you listed as owning for that matter.

mmm, definitely the new f430. that car is just so great looking and with almost 500 hp with a 0-60 of under 4 seconds, put that with the sound of it and it is one sexy machine.

You don't like the 360 because of the 430?

Why buy the old version when theres a new version coming out! Financial suicide! think of the residuals...

And the 360 is perhaps the best looking car in the world at this very moment.

Matter of oppinion I think. Personally, I find the front, (you know, the stupified grinning 3 year old look) a little odd, nor do I like the chunky owerpreportioned rear wings. Can't help that! Just find it ugly. The F430 is a stunning looking car, but neither of them are as good looking as a DB9.

Second there is no way to know the quality of the 430 since none have been sold yet so you can at best asume. And 360's have been proven to be quite reliable.

I've had nothing but bad and very expensive experienses with Ferrari since the 80's when I had a 328 GTS. I even tried a 550 Marinello, and theres no way I'm paying £150'000 for a car with pannel gaps that you could march an army through!

FYI it can be very easily aplied to the porche or lambo, and to all the cars you listed as owning for that matter.

Its not just the penis extension thing either, its the young, overpaid, under sexed male exec with blonde highlites and a paul smith suit, that cant drive for crap, but just want to pose. I've siold Ferrari's and they appeal to a generaly nausiation clientelle these days.

Sorry, that how I look at it after 40 years of driving, and your not going to change it.

Lovin the stereotyping! Not a fan of the Gallardo...its too affordable for lambo, why don't they make a 3 series too...360 is nice but if its replacement is coming than it isnt worth is, finally retired is right about that...that leaves a car I have seen in pictures at an autoshow and went "meh", or a 911 turbo...hahahahaha hand me the keys to the 911, Im getting in a high speed police chase!

Its not just the penis extension thing either, its the young, overpaid, under sexed male exec with blonde highlites and a paul smith suit, that cant drive for crap, but just want to pose. I've siold Ferrari's and they appeal to a generaly nausiation clientelle these days.

Sorry, that how I look at it after 40 years of driving, and your not going to change it.

I cannot belive you are using that as an argument against Ferrari, when you are driving an SL. Do i really have to bring out all the rapper videos with that car in it?


And I've been a passionate Ferrari fan since I was 10 and I visited Modena. I've been cherring for Ferrari in F1 since they were getting killed by Mclaren Honda, followed by Williams Renault, and Benneton. So if i would buy a 360 would that make me a poser too? How is it the cars fault that people that don't apreciate it buy it. And why should people that trully care about Ferrari have to be labelled by the car?

Their racing pedigree is unmached, especially by some tractor builders aka Lambo.

No other car on the list can handle as well as the 360. I haven't seen any tests on the 430 so I can't comment on it. The 360 is one of the best looking cars I've ever seen, it is affordable, and it is one of the best handling cars street cars in the world.

Give me a 360 in red please. :smokin:

Out of these i'd have to take the F430, despite not liking the rear styling. The 996 TT is a great car but on its way out, as is the 360, so until the new 911 Turbo comes out i'd take the F430. The Gallardo is nice but there's no substitute for RWD :D

And finally_retired, let's face it, the UK population is probably the snobbiest in the world when it comes to badges. Posers aren't limited to Ferrari's, but also Porsche's, Lambo's, Merc SL's (that's not a jibe at you), the list is endless. I'm a young executive who wears tailor-made suits, and some day i will own a supercar. But i've loved cars for as long as i can rememer. Who'd have thought that?? Please, let's separate the car from those that drive it when evaluating its merits.

I Merc driver (and die hard fan I might add) bashing the driving skill of Ferrari owners. Does that seem strange to anyone else?

Drivers are free to like whatever kind of car they like. But come on finally retired, a MR car built with F1 technology, light weight construction weigh only 1450kg, compared to a 612 bhp techno monstrosity weighing almost two ton. Which do you think a true driving enthusiat would choose?

Back to this poll, the 430 of course. I replaces the 360 so you'd assume it's better. Or at the very least faster in a straight line as well as the track. Gallardo, is an Audi. 996TT is an amazing machine, but 997 is coming soon, and the tiptronic sucks.

.....so you'd pick the car with the better numbers as opposed to the one you like more?
so if the next ferrari was pig ugly but goes like stink, you'd still choose that one over a car you actually like more?

if you actually prefer the look of the 360 then why go with the 430?
because it's newer and has better numbers?
no offence intended but isn't that a bit shallow?

here's a little side question.
free car.
355 or 360 or 430?

anyway.
of the ones presented, i think i'll have to go with the little german.
um, gallardo that is....
i'm still in awe with how small it actually is.
911 is nice and all but yeah, i live in london and i am a badge snob; a 911 is too common.
doesn't matter that it's a turbo,
as far as the casual observer is concerned, it's just another porsche.
hmm, but then, that means it's less of a 'target'.

i don't think i would ever choose a modern ferrari.
i have too much love for the old ones.
in ten years i'd still want a 288 GTO or 246GT but i'm not sure i'd still 'want' a 360 or 430.

if you actually prefer the look of the 360 then why go with the 430?
because it's newer and has better numbers?
no offence intended but isn't that a bit shallow?



how is that shallow to chose the car with the better perfomance? :confused:

Perfomace is one of the most important factors. The 360 is by far one of my favorite cars but if, lets say, a civic could outperform it, I would refuse to ever get one.

but how often are you really going to use that performance?
and are you really going to notice the difference between 4.5 and 4.1 when most things on the road can't even begin to compete with you going 'easy'.

and well, the civic thing is a bit of a skewed way of looking things and let's ignore that i'm pretty sure a civic can be made to perform better.
but that's not the point.

we are generally talking about a bunch of cars that are by themselves in terms of quality and work involved, a class above.

my point is with resepcts to when you are looking at cars, especially from the same maker and especially cars from the same line;
hence the question of choice
355, 360 or 430?

if you really like the 360 in terms of how it looks and how it goes, then why go for a car that you don't like the look of?
is it really because of the boast factor?
"hey, i've got the latest, fastest V8 Ferrari"

that's what i mean by shallow.
sure, performance does matter but does that over-ride personal preference?

again, if the next ferrari was pig ugly, would you choose it over a slightly slower one that you like more?

but how often are you really going to use that performance?
and are you really going to notice the difference between 4.5 and 4.1 when most things on the road can't even begin to compete with you going 'easy'.

and well, the civic thing is a bit of a skewed way of looking things and let's ignore that i'm pretty sure a civic can be made to perform better.
but that's not the point.

we are generally talking about a bunch of cars that are by themselves in terms of quality and work involved, a class above.

my point is with resepcts to when you are looking at cars, especially from the same maker and especially cars from the same line;
hence the question of choice
355, 360 or 430?

if you really like the 360 in terms of how it looks and how it goes, then why go for a car that you don't like the look of?
is it really because of the boast factor?
"hey, i've got the latest, fastest V8 Ferrari"

that's what i mean by shallow.
sure, performance does matter but does that over-ride personal preference?

again, if the next ferrari was pig ugly, would you choose it over a slightly slower one that you like more?


i said performace is one of the most important factor. Not the only one. In the case of the 430 Vs 360 I like the 360 a bit more but not enough to offset the perfomance advantage.

If the 430 would've been butt ugly then yeah i would've stayed with the 360.

Fore xample with the scaliegtti as much as I'm a Ferrari fan, and despite the fact that the italian is a better performer. i would take a Db9 over it(when they will finally bring that manual for it)

Bottom line there are many factors in choosing a car and perfomance is a big one but of course not the only one.

fair enough
but you see what trying, albeit very badly, to get at, right?

gallardo is the absolute dream car

but if it comes to buy one i probably would buy the turbo

Who the hell are you to critisise my oppinions. Isn't this the point of a forum in the first place. I'm not laying down the law, nor am I saying that you have to agree with anything that I say! How boaring would life be if we all liked the same thing!

Drivers are free to like whatever kind of car they like. But come on finally retired, a MR car built with F1 technology, light weight construction weigh only 1450kg, compared to a 612 bhp techno monstrosity weighing almost two ton. Which do you think a true driving enthusiat would choose?

Give it a rest! Because the route that I drive to the shops is really demands a car with F1 technoloy, and the traffic in Cheltnam really requires a "flappy paddle" gearbox! If I want a real driving experience, I'll go to my garage, and get out my 300SL. That is a real, raw driving experience to me! But since its not listed in this comparison, what use is that?

here's a little side question.
free car.
355 or 360 or 430?

355.

I want a car that I feel comfortable driving. If you were to park a bright red Ferrari, or a Lime green Lambo somewhere, chances are it would get keyed or something. To the unknowing eye, my car could be an SL350, and the same goes with the 911. Now, I've parked my 300SL, and come back to find people crowded around it, gorping at it. And not just 11 year old boys, 70 year old men have done the same. Its a respect issue. People don't respect Ferrari's or lamborghini's, they become jelous. I for one am not comfortable with that.

Sorry about the rant, but I really makes me mad when people don't even try to see somone elses POV. I remember when driver image and stereotyping didn't matter in the slightest, and I'm not exactly a fan to put it mildly. However the world has changed and the vast majority of people do stereotype. hey, I'm old and probaply out of touch with the new breed of socialites.

PS. Neutrino, I realise that the SL features in numerous rap videos, but i'm not a 21 stone black man kitted to the hilt in "bling". Nor do I have an array of women sprawled on the bonnet (I say that with some sadness)...

The 360 is just stunning. There are two things that make a man crazy.

1)SEX (Ferraris beautiful curves image and beauty)
2)VIOLENCE (Ferraris agresive styling)

Why do people assume the shape of the 430 couldn't possiblly be liked? I like it. I like the rear end and the front end is not that dissimilar to the 360.

355, hah! Get that late eighties early nineties throw back shape out of my face. The lines are so sharp they could cut your clothing if you're not careful. The streamlined shape of the 360 and 430 leave it in the dust in my opinion. Forget the performance.

That you may think, but the 355 is widely regarded as the last of the REAL Ferraris. Even by that time, the legend was slipping beneath the waves of the rising socialites.

These days, its drowned and dead! You only need to compare an Enzo with an F40 to find that out.

out of all these cars i dont know, ive always love the porche so id prolly go with that and i agreee that why buy a 360 when its replacement is on its way? maYbe in 30 years when its a classic, i dont know enough about the 430 and if i get a lambo im gettin a mercialago (sorry for the spelling)

and i dont get consider ferraris to have aggressive styling, sexy yes but agressive no, to me agressive is a ws6 trans am... thats a mean lookin car. supercars for the most part arent agressive looking to me, but lambos come close.

i think that's the point.
will the 360 be a classic in 30 years time?
or how about this, in 30 years,
would you get the 360 or 430?

That you may think, but the 355 is widely regarded as the last of the REAL Ferraris. Even by that time, the legend was slipping beneath the waves of the rising socialites.

These days, its drowned and dead! You only need to compare an Enzo with an F40 to find that out.

I think that you have a really good point. I think that the F355 is a work of art and a very solid performer. I would also take an F-40 over the Enzo any day of the week. However you must ask yourself, would you take a 360 or a Testarossa? Perhaps that isn't the fairest comparison. However, I would rather have any flavor of the 360 ten times over compared to the Testarossa. I guess I am just of the opinion that I don't give a crap about what anyone thinks of me for the car I'm driving. Hell, I've taken a crap load of flack for choosing a Chrysler LeBaron for a project car. I just wouldn't care if someone saw me driving a 360 and assumed that I am some sort of socialite because I know I'm not.

However, you're right that Ferrari does carry that image these days, and that is unfortunate.

Also, V8slayer, you must not care for the looks of the Lotus Esprit or any recent Lamborghini for that matter? I think that the sharp lines of a lot of the Ferraris of old like the 208 GTB-S Turbo, GTO, 328 GTB, GTB-GTS Turbo, F-40, 512, 355, and the different flavors of the 308 are gorgeous and they are all similar with sharp lines. I also love the sleek rounded looks of the 360, 550, 575, and the 430. However, I can't stand the looks of the Scaglietti, F-50, and even the Enzo doesn't look that great in my opinion. I also love the looks of many of the Lamborghini and the Lotus Esprit. I guess I like some of the 80s styling.

But, hell, that's just me.

Ok, I've changed my mind. I wouldn't but a 430 over a 360. Ive seen the back of the car in the metal, and its dog ugly. Its even uglier than the front apron and headlights of the 360! And thoes rear wings need some "weightwatcher" treatment. As the great Peter Kay once said:

"Take the C off chips love, and what have you got?"

This is one car that has definatly been eatin too many chips!

Ok, I've changed my mind. I wouldn't but a 430 over a 360. Ive seen the back of the car in the metal, and its dog ugly. Its even uglier than the front apron and headlights of the 360! And thoes rear wings need some "weightwatcher" treatment. As the great Peter Kay once said:

"Take the C off chips love, and what have you got?"

This is one car that has definatly been eatin too many chips!

Oh, I agree with you there. I would rather take the 360 in the looks department.

i personally would take the 430 over the 360.......the 430 doesn't look as sleek or curvaceous as the 360 but it has a sort of ugly aggressiveness to it, not to mention the damn near 500hp its sporting. as of right now i would take the f430 over all the cars mentioned here, but only because the 997 turbo isn't out yet.....if the 997S itself can pull a sub 8 minute lap on the ring, i would expect the turbo to be REALLY good around a track....so when the new turbo finally does come out, then i'll have to see exactly how they compare in performance, handling, etc. before passing judgment

rank:
f430 or 997 turbo
gallardo
360
996 turbo

All right, let me go on record as saying that Lamborghini hasn't made a car worth a damn since Bob Wallace and Dallara refined the Miura to build the Jota. What's worse is that Volkswagen AG now owns Lamborghini and is systematically erasing whatever audacious charm the marque once had. At least Chrysler understood that to keep Lamborghini LAMBORGHINI they had to not cross-pollinate the brand with anything else.

Hence Chrysler could build their radical Cobra-tribute the Viper and not build an affront to Diablo sales by keeping the two cars spiritually separate. Meanwhile VW is trying to build Lambos that drive as easily as Passats (mistake #1, they should've learned from Honda that nobody wants a mild-mannered supercar) that share components with other upcoming AG stablemates (mistake #2, luxo sedans and supercars should never brag about common parts bin, it cheapens them both) and that defy traditional Italian styling ideals (mistake #3, Miura and Countach were Bertone, Diablo was Gandini and Italdesign. Gallardo and Murciealago are in house. Germans shouldn't try to do the job of Italian styling houses, they're there for a reason).

The F430 and the 360 Modena are cars done properly. Their engines are proprietary. Their styling is Pininfarina. And the cars drive like Ferraris.

The Germans build Italian supercars as wrong as they build British touring coupes. They build soulless boring sterile hulks of automobile that share none of the ambience and passion of their past bretheren. You CANNOT convince me that the new Continental GT is destined for the greatness of the Arnage Red Label or that the Gallardo will be as monumental as the Miura.

And as far as the Porsche is concerned, feh, ultimate Beetle.

I agree with everything you just said, bar one thing. The 911/VW Beetle thing. I'm not going to agree with you on that for one second. Its propostorous to suggest that an iconic supercar can be compared to a 1300 Natzi family car, or indeed the glorified VW Golf that s the new Beetle!

I would struggle to think of an Italien supercar that had the flair, charm, and timeless respect that Ferrari's and Lambo's of old have. Bugatti is going the same was as Lambo, Alfa have all the stlye, but no real performance... and Ferrari's aren't the respected icons that they once were. Its sad.

However, I'll stick to brit. For all that, I can look to Aston Martin, TVR, Morgan, Jensen, Caterham, Lotus, Westfield, Marcos, Invicta, Farbound, Bristol.........

Porsche 356 = VW Beetle roadster/coupe.
Porsche 911 = projekt 901 = six cylinder four seat development of projekt 356.


Ergo......

Porsche 911 = four seat, six cylinder VW Beetle coupe.

In other words, the 911 is borne of the Beetle, as all Porsches until the creation of the much maligned 924 were. However, I'll at least give credit to the 930's, and their 934 and 935 offspring, for being hellaciously difficult cars to drive fast. To drive a 930 is to command respect.

So does Porsche's impeccable racing history do nothing to offset the humble origins of the 356 for you? Cos if so, that's very sad indeed.

And how you can compare the 993, 996, and 997 to a beatle, is totaly beyond me.

The point of this thred is the 996 Turbo. Ok people are throwing the idea of the 997 around, but that can be expected as the car has just been launched.

It may be true, but to think that Porsche's are a bad cars because of their heratige, is a dumbfounded oppinion.

Never said that I thought that they were bad cars. In fact, if you'd read my post I have a lot of respect for the 930 series and the men who drive them. Also, the 904GTS Carrera is one of my favorite sports racers.

However, I am first and foremost Tifosi, and Porsches simply do not have the lineage that a throroughbred Ferrari has. Professor Porsche built race cars to prove and sell his road cars. Il Commendatore built road cars to finance his race cars. I tend to laught at those who imply that the 911 is equal in stature to the great GT Ferraris simply because "it won a lot of races". You'll never see a 911 without a competition history worth the same amount of money as its contemporary - the 246GT Dino.

It all comes back to passion. Ferraris inspire passion because they were built out of passion. Enzo Ferrari built cars that were difficult to drive, and then told you that you had to be good enough to drive them. He sneered at new technology and won with proven ideas until they could no longer be refined. The 250GTO was storming around Le Mans with a five-link leaf sprung rear axle while the Jags had multilink IRS. The Testarossa ran drums while the D-Types ran discs. The 288GTO trounced the technologically superior Porsche 959 in every respect, yet lacked even ABS simply because - as Enzo said - "I do not want ABS for this car, as it is not the best for track conditions."

Ferrari is the breed apart from all other car manufacturers. The only sports car manufacturer fully conceived at the racetrack whose participation in motorsport never waivers. Porsche and Audi race to market cars. Ferrari races because that is what they do. When the last checkered flag falls, you can be damn sure a Ferrari will be under it.

Ferrari are just a shadow of their former selves.

You cant love a car company for resting on its laurels, hawever good they may be. Ferrari are in a bad way at the moment. Not as bad as the mid 80's were, but still. Through their own admission, they have a serious corporate image problem, and its turning its longstanding customers away from the marque. The 360 did nothing to help, and the new 430 will make it worse, I'm sure of it.

You may still be an avid follower of the prancing stalion, but there are many that aren't anymore...

Ferrari are just a shadow of their former selves.

You cant love a car company for resting on its laurels, hawever good they may be. Ferrari are in a bad way at the moment. Not as bad as the mid 80's were, but still. Through their own admission, they have a serious corporate image problem, and its turning its longstanding customers away from the marque. The 360 did nothing to help, and the new 430 will make it worse, I'm sure of it.

You may still be an avid follower of the prancing stalion, but there are many that aren't anymore...


That cannot be any further from the truth. As layla said Ferrari always has been defined trough its racing program. The cars were meant by Enzo as a means of finance.

And now Ferrari is at the top, its F1 program is ridiculously strong, the 360 was its best selling car ever leading to excellent profits, and they are even back in Lemans with the MC12.

The 360 is a true Ferrari, its design is pure passion, its engine is a screamer. True it has the advantage of modern tech some of it F1 design, but as long as you can turn off all its electronic aids (and you can unlike in many germans) its a purist car.

The 430 lost a bit of 360's elegance but its gain a few more agresive lines and I'm sure it will be amazing to drive.

Also consider this, the 360 is Tiff Needell's absolute favorite car. And considering his experience and his driving skill, I take his reviews the most serious. He even compared the Gallardo to the 360 and it said that it lacks seriously in "being special" compared to the 360.

And last but not least, look how agresivelly loyal us the Ferrari tifosi are. That should tell you that Ferrari still inspire passion in many of us. I recall an event during mid 90s when Ferrari was doing rather bad in F1 and Alesi managed a second place in Austria (yeah not even a win). But that second place was enogh to make the tifosi jump on the track and they had to redflag the cars still lapping. That should tell you about the passion Ferrari inspires.