Supra VS Stang?!

Ok people Just wonderin cause ive heard the jap version of the stang is the supra.

So here it is

1996 toyota supra JZ! Vs Ford 03 mustang mach 1.

Stats

Supra ~ 320 hp 3450 pounds
Stang ~ 300 hp 3466 pounds

I've always thought of the Fairlady Z as Japan's "Mustang", or maybe even the RX-7, simply because they are all cult cars/classic sports cars in their respective countries of origin.

Anyways, I'm gonna go with the Supra on this one. You'd have to do some really heavy mods to the Mach 1 to get it up to the Supra's standards.

Supra hands down...overall value, performance, looks, and got-to-have-it factor it beats the stang...as for the japanese mustang...it is a battle between toyota, mazda, and nissan...to each his own. But in my opinion the 300zx was a dream car of mine in the 90's so I would take it

hmm this is a toughy, id prolly take the supra and sell it because those things fetch a pretty penny but the current mach 1 is my favorite of all the current mutangs. but honestly if your copmparing "icon cars" you should be comparing with classic mustangs cause everyone knows classic muscle cars are where its at. if it was between a supra and 69 mach 1 id take the mach 1. but between current cars i go where the money is cause currently im a broke ass college student and not in the market for any car that will cost about 500 a month for liability.

Ill do that 1 2morow. Have fun with the other thread as well.

Later Jc

Also, how much does a Supra go for in Japan? Here they were 40K? or somewhere around that. Mach 1s can be had for 25-28k with the standard "MUST SELL CARS" rebate. Not sure it's really a fair fight here.

With that being said, hard choice. I am assuming that they are pretty equal straight line but the Supra would probably win on the track? I'd probably still go for the Mach 1 since I like Mustangs more, but you really can't lose either way.

I'd go for the Mustang. The styling points put it ahead of the Supra. I've never much liked its looks.













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I've always considered the japanese Mustang the Skyline GT-R, for its size and stance.

i'd see the skyline more of the japanese corvette

i'd see the skyline more of the japanese corvette

Agreed, they are both pretty much the iconic sports cars of their respective countries. I'd say that Germany's is the M3 as well.

The m3 and the r34 would be a goodface offas well. maybe tat will be my next thread.

Do Corvette Z06 vs. Skyline GT-R V Spec II vs. M3, all 2002 models.

Z06 would be the obvious winner, 02 is when it became 405hp if i'm correct.

yeah the vette would rape them both

Maybe at drag but not around the track lol Zo6 VS R34 GTR! haha!

Zo6 450 hp package W/e its calld Vs Skyline r34 V spec II NUR! even!

Btwfor all you you who dont kno the nur (only 1oO0) they come with 450 hp stock and the best standard light weight parts avalable by nissan.hehe.

id still take the z06 over the skyline gtr track too, corvettes have EXCELLENT handling. id deffinately take the mach 1 over the supra, looks better to me, alot more unique to me. they are both even as far as quarter goes, but i would still take the mustang even track wise

Hmmm... This is a toughy... Personally I don't like the styling on the supra... then again I hate the concept of the Mach I, I liked the real car. Performance wise I think the Supra is a little better..... But it looks like a potato IMO... Uhmmm Can I take the money and choose neither? :P

Z06 over skyline, the skyline is sports car with sedan styling , the z06 is a sprots car with styling to match

Maybe at drag but not around the track lol Zo6 VS R34 GTR! haha!

Zo6 450 hp package W/e its calld Vs Skyline r34 V spec II NUR! even!

Btwfor all you you who dont kno the nur (only 1oO0) they come with 450 hp stock and the best standard light weight parts avalable by nissan.hehe.

so your saying the skyline will beat a Z06 around a track?

:lol: :lol: :cwm27: don't make me laugh

Skyline R34 Gtr V spec II will kick a vettes ass around the track if an nsx can so can the Skyline.

haha, big IF there guy. doubtful HIGHLY doubtful

so your saying the skyline will beat a Z06 around a track?

:lol: :lol: :cwm27: don't make me laugh

What's funny is when I tell my Initial D buddies that the 'Vette does indeed beat the Skyline around a track, they laugh their asses off. I guess some people can't get it through their heads that being 400 lbs. lighter is more than a good thing when you're racing around a track.

Oh crap, I forgot, domestic car = at least 3500 lbs. = crappy handling. And it has a low tech suspension and it doesn't have all-wheel-drive or ATTESA-ETS, so it has no chance around a track. Stupid dumbestics, nothin' beats the Skyline :)

the 'Vette does indeed beat the Skyline around a track,

Was that at the Nuremberg(<spelling) test course?
I remember hearing something about the Z06 beating the Skyline's lap times on some trial or test at Nuremberg. I only remember hearing about it a while ago.

everyone has heard about it exept jcsaleen

lalya would know

My bad does any1 have the site for the test resuluts and the Nur only has 325 stock. Sry thinin of the 400R that one would be a good match for the vette.

...could've sworn that the 400R has 400 bhp.
hence the name.....
and from what i gather, it isn't/wasn't all that much faster.

and let's not forget that the R33 400R was about three times the price of a standard GT-R.

Come on now, an AWD 450 Skyline VS a 405 Corvette, the GT-R wins hands down, in all, track, 1/4m, and anyother race you can think of. A Supra looks way more cooler than a mustang Mc 1, and will also kill the Mc1, now if you put the supercharged Cobra vs the Supra then the stang wins, but up the boost and out the window goes the stang. Supra, GT-R, & Rx7 are all in the same class, but the GT-R will out handle all cuz of it's ever so sweet AWD setup. But Btute force goes to the Supra hands down.

Stock for stock the supra wins I think.

Stock for stock the vette wins but modified Think the vette just dosent have the fluiency (sp) around the track the skyline has. Im talkin about calsonic vs C5-R I have seen a spy shot of the C6-R (im sure laylas seen it) its sweet. But my fave Gt car will always be the 550 Gt olive garden maranello most beautiful gt class ever.

even modded the vette could still beat the skyline(speaking if they are both modded)

sure we know about the skyline and blitz and the rest, but have you import only fans ever hear of lingenfelter? c5 vette running 9.2 in the 1320 with a top speed still well over 200mph and exellent handling
it was a 800hp lingenfelter corvette that one a scc a while back and beat modded porches and mosler and more(not 100% sure on the mosler thing, i'll double check)

I have only one thing to say on this issue: 400 pounds. That's how much lighter the Z06 'Vette is than the R33 Skyline GT-R. I don't care how bad-ass your suspension or dynamics are, you CAN'T make up for that kind of weight difference.

i don't know about that kman, simply not everycar lighter than the other handles better. there is a whole lot more than weight that comes into play, though weight is a big part

hmmm, i guess ill take the Mach 1, im more of a domestic guy myself.

it seems to me that all kman does is care too much about weight. there are other factors beside weight.

Well, obviously drivetrain layout and weight balancing are the biggest intrinsic factors when determining the handling prowess of an automobile, but a car's raw curb weight is one the hardest things to change about it. You can do all the lightening/gutting you want to your car, and it's only gonna lose 200-300 pounds. In my opinion, the Corvette takes a much better approach to achieving maximum handling ability than the GT-R. The Corvette has evener weight balancing than the Skyline, not to mention a lot less weight in the first place. The suspension is pretty low-tech, but there are gobs and gobs of aftermarket upgrades for the Corvette if you plan to take it racing. In fact, the Corvette is the second most popular car (after the Viper Competition Coupe) in SCCA manufacturer-based road racing. The Corvette is a sports car, with loads of low end power, a heavy clutch and notchy shifter, weighty steering, and excellent handling. The Skyline is a grand touring car, weighed down needlessly by creature comforts, traction control systems, a highly advanced AWD drivetrain, and a twin-turbo + intercooler setup.

It's not that I think the GT-R is a crappy car; I just think it's confused about what it wants to be. If I wanted a daily driver, I'd buy a Mercedes-Benz E-Class, not a Nissan. And if I wanted a sports car, I'd buy a Corvette -- low-tech suspension, crappy interior and all.

well after seeing a stock skyline rape a stock RX-7 on the track, i wouldn't call it a grand touring car.

it is indeed a sports car and acts like one.

just because my moms contour wieghs less than my car doesn't mean it has a huge advantage over me in handling, catch my drift?

the overall balance, what wheels are spinning(rwd awd fwd) the steerings reaction time, BRAKES, suspension list goes on and on.

the corvette has traction controll too ya know, so does the M3- and we know the M3 handles pretty well right.

I disagree with the whole z06 beatin the skyline in qt. Have you ever heard of veilside *smurk* the R34 that is light weighted so much and has ran 1668 Hp on the dyno"! Crazy but the fastest times are set by R33s check www.exvitermini.com (http://www.exvitermini.com)

youngvr4, I know all of that, but it doesn't really matter since the Z06 is RWD and has all of those bases covered. Things like brakes, tires, and suspension are upgradable - curb weight and weight balancing are not so much.

Anyways, I'm probably gonna get owned/gangraped, so I concede this thread. I still don't like the GT-R though, it's definitely not the God Car that everyone makes it out to be, and I believe that the Z06 would beat it around almost any track.

youngvr4, I know all of that, but it doesn't really matter since the Z06 is RWD and has all of those bases covered. Things like brakes, tires, and suspension are upgradable - curb weight and weight balancing are not so much.

Anyways, I'm probably gonna get owned/gangraped, so I concede this thread. I still don't like the GT-R though, it's definitely not the God Car that everyone makes it out to be, and I believe that the Z06 would beat it around almost any track.

it will beat it around any track, stock wise. with mods and what not you will never know

youngvr4, I know all of that, but it doesn't really matter since the Z06 is RWD and has all of those bases covered. Things like brakes, tires, and suspension are upgradable - curb weight and weight balancing are not so much.

Anyways, I'm probably gonna get owned/gangraped, so I concede this thread. I still don't like the GT-R though, it's definitely not the God Car that everyone makes it out to be, and I believe that the Z06 would beat it around almost any track.


Bravo...

Atleast someone speaks their mind here.

Me I feel strongly about the GTR (r34 anyway)

The GTR is an amazing lookin car and the engine that powers it is also amazing massive amounts of power. The Flat 6 is probly one of the best engines to date look which other cars use it ex the porsche carrera and of course the meanest street car of all the Dauer 962 le mans. The body of the Gtr is pure ART. The lights and grill define that its a GTR and its not just for show. The Z06 is dull,blant & just plain boring. There not real styleflip up lights come on? The back is over sized espcially since its a "FR" you would think the car is MR just lookin at it for the first time. As far as im concernd stock for stock the z06 is faster but if the GTR had that much hp the z06 would get raped basically a TK engine or 400R engine but modified for an Rb26 would rape a Z06 around the track. The other thing is the z06 is all stock the gtr is for the serious race enthusiast. The attesa system isnt just made for 4wd transfers its meant for the driver to track his records/data on the track. See where the driver went wrong. The z06 is nice but power isnt all I look for in a car style,history, track stability & attitude! You can disagree all you want but the gtr will always be my fave.

the skyline doesn't use a flat six.
it's an inline six.
flat = boxer
(e.g flat four as in the subaru, flat six in the 911, flat 12 in the old ferrari 365 boxer).

and about the 4WD in the skyline.
what the whole system does is provde power to the wheels as needed.
AND
even then, the power distibution isn't even/equal between the four wheels.
for the most part, the skyline is more or less rear drive, adding power to a wheel (or taking some away for that matter) as needed.
add to that the rear wheel steering means that the skyline can corner pretty tightly for a relatively portly car.

remember guys, it has four good seats
AND
a decent boot.

i have no idea about the Z06
but i do have respect for it,
especially the jumps they're making to the new one.
an american car that is actually getting smaller!
(sorry, couldn't resist a quick dig...)

and um, someone mentioned the RX-7.
well, that's not really fair.
the rotaries are notorious for having very little low end torque, something that the GT-R has in bucket loads.
on the right track though where the RX-7 can keep the engine singing, things might be different.....
well, maybe....

DM.

I see what you mean; the Skyline does a lot with what it has, and it is the purest embodiment of Japanese engineering: maximum efficiency. I have tremendous respect for the car, but when it comes down to it, I just don't think it has what it takes to best a Corvette. The Skyline GT-R is indeed a very tunable car, but so is the Corvette. It's low, light, and aerodynamic. You can get it to 1000 hp easily with a good twin turbo setup. And because it is so popular as a road racing car, the brakes/suspension upgrades for it are substantial. Its handling capabilities have been pushed to the limit in many different situations, and they have been found to be extremely high.

I'm afraid I came off as slanted and biased towards the 'Vette - both of these cars are awesome and I'd love to own either one. The Corvette gets the job done better, but there's definitely something special at the GT-R that can't be put forth through words.

.....and i think part of the appeal of the skyline is the supposed bhp figures.

oh yeah, a R34 really does only have 290ish bhp..... :rolleyes:
it revs higher AND has more torque than the R33.
you do the maths...

it was kinda naughty and that's what people like,
especially the japanese, with respects to their culture.
it was kinda like a little kid saying "yes mummy, i only had two biscuits".

another attraction of the car is that it is so well put together.
i've only ever sat in a R33 but it still clear that the quality of the car is way better than any other (top end) japanese car, except maybe the nsx.
as most reviews of them have said, they were germanic in feel if not in design.

let's not forget that in japan they are only about £30,000-£35,000.

......the Corvette. It's low, light, and aerodynamic. You can get it to 1000 hp easily with a good twin turbo setup
skylines are legendary because of godzilla.......

anyway.
i'm not siding with either car here as i believe that it's pointless.
anything you can do with one car you can do with another.
it almost always boils down to how much money you have to spend.

after all, there's nothing stopping me from ripping up my little yaris to shreads and wedging the engine+transmission from an elise.....
or from the 360 for that matter.
all it takes is money, time and skilled people helping me.
(incidentallly, has anyone seen the gt40 disguised as an old 'mini'?)

here especially, the two cars are again, not really directly comparable.
what is best depends on what you want from it.
besides, the focus of both cars are different.

one is designed to be a sports-car.
two seats, nice v8, good ride quality (shame about the quality of the interior but who cares).

the other is a family car (remember that the skyline is a range, not a single car) that happens to have a slightly mad big brother, which again is part of it's appeal.

i mean, the skyline IS a sensible car
AND
a super performer (even stock).

in everyday situations that is a combination that is very hard to beat.

newbie obviously cant tell sarcasm:rolleyes:

lol keepin the thread alive are we?...

youngvr4, I know all of that, but it doesn't really matter since the Z06 is RWD and has all of those bases covered. Things like brakes, tires, and suspension are upgradable - curb weight and weight balancing are not so much.

Anyways, I'm probably gonna get owned/gangraped, so I concede this thread. I still don't like the GT-R though, it's definitely not the God Car that everyone makes it out to be, and I believe that the Z06 would beat it around almost any track.

c'mon kman, we wouldn't gangrape you :grinno:

i understand what your saying, i did the first time you said it. its just in the way you said, seemed to me that other people reading could get the wrong idea and think (well on af they said if the car is lighter its faster) ya know.

it was mostly for others reading, not directed towards you

I know, I'm horrible at wording my arguments. I always come off as biased and stereotypical. :)

The Z06 is dull,blant & just plain boring.

Wow! I feel the same way about the Skyline. I can tell I’m not alone in this opinion due to the sheer number of Skylines with excessive body mods.
The Skyline looks just too reserved and many owners will add on body mods to pep it up a bit. Hardly a body design worthy to be designated as ART. If the Skyline's body is art then the WRX must be the Sistine Chapel on wheels.

True the Skyline may be classified as a sports car with exceptional performance but it sure as hell doesn’t look the part.

Again, it's a grand touring car, not a sports car. It's way too big and heavy to be a sports car.

If the Skyline's body is art then the WRX must be the Sistine Chapel on wheels.

nice sayin...

The only vette I will ever like is the west other wise horrible looks. The gtr r33 is dull the r34 is nicely styled. The z06 has no pep what so ever. Yes I would put a body kit on the r34 though like an Hks the will see who looks better. Z06 I have only seen skirts not actaul kits for ehhh.


True the Skyline may be classified as a sports car with exceptional performance but it sure as hell doesn’t look the part.

Again sports compact....

Z06 I have only seen skirts not actaul kits for ehhh.

That's because it doesn't need any, it's beautiful already.

Again sports compact....

Since it's obviously not in the same class as the Corvette, why are we comparing them?

Again sports compact....

Wait what? A Skyline is a sports compact? I wouldn't think that you would lump it in with say a Civic or SRT-4, but hey it's your call. Personally if I really liked the Skyline, I would be fighting for the term "Sports Car","Grand Touring", or "Sport Sedan". I surely wouldn't say an M3 is sports compact. Maybe I missed something.

I think there is a lot being missed here, well besides the original post: How would a 55k Skyline (I have no idea what they cost in Japan, here they would be 60k+) be against the 55k z06? Mods shmods. We're talking stock.

In all fairness though, they really aren't the same type of cars. Skyline is an amazing sedan whereas the Corvette(z06) is stricty designed for more of a racing situation. It's like comparing a Ford GT with a DB9. Sure they are in the same price bracket, but they aren't nearly the same type of car.

good one monkey :)

Well in sports compacts greatest 100 the R34 is is in the list as guess what one of the best SPORTS COMPACTS OF ALL TIME.... Got get the issue.

are you talking about in the mag sport compact car?

Well in sports compacts greatest 100 the R34 is is in the list as guess what one of the best SPORTS COMPACTS OF ALL TIME.... Got get the issue.

Oh yes, forgive me. I look to any "Sports Compact" magazine for my vehicle classifications. When did Sports Compacts stop being Compact? I suppose they have RX-7s, VR4s, and Supras in there too.

Yes they are in their on the list.

Yes they are in their on the list.
HA!, hate to break it to you man, those are NOT sport compact cars. basically all u are saying is all japanese cars are sport compacts when that is not the case

sport compact cars, will call anything a sport compact car

sport compact cars, will call anything a sport compact car

I call BS. I bet you won't find a Corvette in there.

Again, you're all forgetting one very important thing: American cars are NOT compact. Just look at them, they are fucking barges! 3500 pounds AT LEAST! Unlike the lithe Japanese cars, which top out at 3000 pounds even WITH two overhead camshafts and a twin turbo system.

Skylines are sedans.

Don't argue they are.
GTR's are just shortend Sedans

Well, sedans can still be sport compacts, just not the Skyline.