Skyline GTR Vs. SLK32AMG

I am having an argument with a friend of mine about cars. He loves anything with the Benz name on it and refusing to think anything else matters. I said to him, u know i would take a Skyline GTR over any benz any day( he is refering to the SLK32AMG). So we argured about them, so i take it to you guys, what do u think Skyline or SLK32AMG?
Please provide some #'s if u have em

NOOOOOO (in the ed voice)

Well considering you have chosen a Skyline forum. Though this poll really belongs in the Car Comparison area and not here.

i'm sorry but i still love the Skyline GT-R way before i liked any kind of mercedes benz :)

We are not biased here:rolleyes:

Skyline anytime. I recently had a look at Mercs and you get nothing for your money. Its just a badge.

Damn the Benz actaully got more than i thought it would have hahaha.

It is too bad they did not post a reply. I guess they were afraid or something :devil:

Be afraid, very afraid :devil: :devil:

I own a skyline and have owned a benz you cant compare the 2 they are both great cars.
a Benz is so over enginerred mine broke an exhaust manifold on it still ran very little trans fluid for 6 months (don't ask )and it still ran.
skyline you get in andturn the key and it run's ever time.
for pure perfomance the skyline for luxury the benz.
meggala
butI vote for the skyline

*Stops in and casts a vote for the Skyline*

hey Meggala, what magazine was that Golden Godzilla article on you webpage in? I'd like to get a copy.

i know how you feel.

one time when i met this girl (17 years of age) she comes up to me and all of a sudden says a lamborghini diabro will beat a modified skyline gtr R34. it was funny because thats what her brother told her and she kept calling the diablo a "diabro" i kept telling her but she tells me that diablo is not the right way to say it.
anyways she kept telling me that the diabro (diablo) will beat a modified skyline on acceleration, and top speed. and the diablo is not modified at all. i try to explain to her that any car that is modified heavily can beat a diablo but she keeps telling me that the diablo is the ultimate car. i tell her that some skylines have over 800, even 1000+hp that does 1/4mile in mid 9's. there is no way a normal diablo can beat it.
ultimately her brother is like your friend. instead of the benz, he likes anything with the name diablo.

Originally posted by border_project
i know how you feel.

one time when i met this girl (17 years of age) she comes up to me and all of a sudden says a lamborghini diabro will beat a modified skyline gtr R34. it was funny because thats what her brother told her and she kept calling the diablo a "diabro" i kept telling her but she tells me that diablo is not the right way to say it.
anyways she kept telling me that the diabro (diablo) will beat a modified skyline on acceleration, and top speed. and the diablo is not modified at all. i try to explain to her that any car that is modified heavily can beat a diablo but she keeps telling me that the diablo is the ultimate car. i tell her that some skylines have over 800, even 1000+hp that does 1/4mile in mid 9's. there is no way a normal diablo can beat it.
ultimately her brother is like your friend. instead of the benz, he likes anything with the name diablo.

youngins I tell ya. :) Are you sure he likes anything with the name diabro instead. hehe.

You have to love today's youth. They seem to think they know more than they actually do. Thanks in part to the internet though.

Originally posted by Razorgtst
You have to love today's youth. They seem to think they know more than they actually do. Thanks in part to the internet though.

is that supposed 2 mean something? i do know some things about cars probably not as much as y'all but i can hold my own ground when it comes 2 cars....although i do think that what you guys are sayin is true.....this one kid came up 2 me and was tellin me about this nice car that was really fast and everything...i ask him what the name of the car is and he tells me that it's a Honda Acura....go figure:rolleyes: but i do know some people who know about cars probably even more than i do..we always talk about imports and shit....i'm still trying to learn as well...so that's why i came here...to listen to yall talk, then turn it around and use it as my knowledge lol good trick huh?:p

Well I like the SLK because I lake Supercharged over turbo any day

And Geramn engineering over Japanese

really?
well i guess i like the price of a supercharger over a turbo. but i like turbo a lot better. more addrenaline rush
but hey, we all got different opinions.

To say Superchargers are better than Turbos, please back that up with some facts, or its just a personal preferance.

Superchargers are easier to install, but that is about it.

Perhaps moving this thread out of the Skyline forum will make its responses less biased. I still choose the Skyline because where I live, it's much more rare than the majority of european sports cars, and many euro-exotics for that matter.

Skyline anytime. I recently had a look at Mercs and you get nothing for your money. Its just a badge
not quite pal, who're you kidding

Skyline for pure performance. SLK32AMG for effortless pace and class

cheers,
jay

Supercharger mated to a grunt large displacement well engineered six shooter has unmatched torque, but revvy turbine pressured nicely packaged small displacement six has incredible horsepower. And a whole lot of room for improvement... not so with the AMG.

From what i read in this forum, especially in the comparisons threads, tuning cars is an issue that comes into the debate quite a lot. Its a little different here in the UK where we seem to tune our cars a lot less than you guys. regardless of that, i dont know if its fair to compare 2 cars by how much you can improve them. if this were the case, old skodas would be the most attractive buy around! :D .. no seriously, i think cars should be compared as what they come as standard. its not fair to say "oh this is the better car cos if you fiddle with it this much you can get so much performance".... if you really wanted something fast you could modify pretty much any car to achieve it. bringing modification into the subject takes you away from comparing 2 cars to comparing their variants.

cheers,
jay

Sorry, I wouldn't be able to begin to comprehend a situation as such. In my world, there is no stock.

But I guess you could compare them in factory form as mainstream automotive publications do (here Motor Trend, R&T). If so, then a broad look at both cars show similar power ratings, but the AMG lacks the technological prowess of a complex all-wheel-drive system. The GT-R can variably distribute power between the front and rear wheels, providing consistent high times for even the fool-hardiest launches. The automatic AMG is a whole other story being that a disc-warping line-lock would be needed to acheive its best time, and in a real world situation, doing this over and over again could potentially destroy the braking system. Moving onto the geometric plane away from the simple line, the all-wheel-drive system may also be applied to this area, a tool truly beneficial for nose heavy front-engine configurations.

Now let's start back at the beginning. This comparison was intended to compare only the performance aspects of these two cars. The comparison really isn't a fair one. The GT-R is a straight-shooting grand tourer, built ground up with racing in mind. The SLK32 is an image conscious roadster with a hardtop retracting shell, and performance was built on top of a standard consumer's car, rather than being purposebuilt for performance. The AMG pampers, while the interior of the Nissan is stark and cold. Jay mentions how cars should be kept in their purest forms, rather than seeing which can get beefed up the most. It looks like AMG already did that by shoehorning a corporate heavyweight into the bay of an infant roadster which normally took four-bangers.

I agree, the comparison between these two cars is fairly idiotic, im sorry to say. And yes, i do think that drivers' cars should be as pure as possible, but realistically i know this isnt possible in the world of today. thats why pure sports cars should be compared to other pure sports cars and cars such as the AMG SLK should be compared to their equivalent group of cars, which provide comparatively effortless, fairly unchallenging or involving performance. Thats why a comparison of two cars of different natures ends up involving some kind of tuning or modifying argument, with the aim of un-distancing the cars in question. it doesnt work.

cheers,
jay

Really a supercharger mated to the silkiest V6 ever, with unfallable engineering and SUPERB style with the 3 pointed star

Or two turbos bolted on to a rough outdated V6 with good but not great engineering and a car that looks like something you can buy for $6000
AND the insult of Nissan badges

hmmmmmmmmmm


That is just my opinion though

Really a supercharger mated to the silkiest V6 ever, with unfallable engineering and SUPERB style with the 3 pointed star

Or two turbos bolted on to a rough outdated V6 with good but not great engineering and a car that looks like something you can buy for $6000
AND the insult of Nissan badges

hmmmmmmmmmm


hehe.... well put :D

Originally posted by Jimmy_11_cars
Really a supercharger mated to the silkiest V6 ever, with unfallable engineering and SUPERB style with the 3 pointed star

Or two turbos bolted on to a rough outdated V6 with good but not great engineering and a car that looks like something you can buy for $6000
AND the insult of Nissan badges

hmmmmmmmmmm


That is just my opinion though

I respect an opinion, but I must ask:

Since when do you find carbon fiber on cars that look like something you can buy for 6 grand? Or factory 18" wheels? And only mediocre engineering spawns individual cylinder throttle-bodies? Getrag gearbox? Exhaust pressure sensitive control? Four-wheel steering? Brembo braking system? Front and rear diffusers? And we don't even need to get into the all-wheel-drive system. By the way, the RB26DETT is an inline-6, not a V6. With that, I'll take it you really don't know much about what you are attacking. As for the backings on the AMG powerplant, it takes a lot more than just a vague generic automotive term like 'silky' to really define something.

By the way, can you illuminate me on what you mean by "...the insult of Nissan badges"?

thats what i was thinkin~ a gt-r with a v6? don't make me laugh, its a I6. alot more linear in power flow. it would beat the crap out for that over priced little roadster that benz makes. it has carbon fiber undertray and eveyrthing. and those aren't just 2 regular turbos. they're ball bearinged with cermanic blades. with a super advanced computer system that tells you exactly what is goin on in the car. seriously i dont' think the gt-r is god. but i'm sooo sick and tired of peopel doggin it out lately. whats up witht hsi man? just cuase you guys are jealous includin me that we'll never get a chance to drive it. but still no reason to be hating. and remember. gt-r born to run fast. slk, born to look pretty with some super charger bolted on. oooooo~~~~ scary~~~. plus silky six speed on the slk? what are you talkina bout? it comes with a tiptronic. sooo get yoru facts straight. it dont' even come with a manuel option. the gt-r has a getrag 6 speed with a practically indestructable clutch. lets you see drop the clutch on the slk at 8000rpms. oh iwiat i forgot. it has no clutch. its a freakin manuelmatic~~

i believe he said "silkiest V6 ever", and nothing about a silky 6 speed so YOU get YOUR facts right

cheers,
jay

okay i agreed witht hat one. i misread it. i was just soooo steamed that someone called a gt-r a insult to a nissan badge and who thinks it looks like a car that you can buy for 6 thousand.

Originally posted by Jimmy_11_cars
...a car that looks like something you can buy for $6000
AND the insult of Nissan badges...

Oh, and I forgot to add something about this statement. If you read the top of the poll it says, "Performance in mind, whats the better car?" If you want to get down to an aesthetics comparison, besure you absolutely exclude the Skyline GT-R. It's not designed to look like some Italian cafe cruiser, or some Sunset Strip valet whore; each and every component on the vehicle is a result of Nissan's R&D for its racing intentions. When it comes down to aesthetics, there are other cars I would choose over the Skyline. Even then, it is difficult to exclude vehicles like the GT-R with such a single-minded purpose built design.

Then again, even though the GT-R doesn't appear to be such a flashy car, many would agree that its beastly demeanor is still quite appealing in the looks department. Sometimes you just can't replicate a stark, clean, mechanical, sleeper design with fifty layers of luxo-extravagance.

nicely put morpheus

Originally posted by HogieGT-R


is that supposed 2 mean something? i do know some things about cars probably not as much as y'all but i can hold my own ground when it comes 2 cars....although i do think that what you guys are sayin is true.....this one kid came up 2 me and was tellin me about this nice car that was really fast and everything...i ask him what the name of the car is and he tells me that it's a Honda Acura....go figure:rolleyes: but i do know some people who know about cars probably even more than i do..we always talk about imports and shit....i'm still trying to learn as well...so that's why i came here...to listen to yall talk, then turn it around and use it as my knowledge lol good trick huh?:p

It is suppose to mean something, but was not directed at you in this case. It was a generalization as the result of a lot of posts I have read since coming to AF. While I understand your position and points you make, also understand mine. I do not know everything there is to know but I am quite familiar with the Skyline. It is that car that I am making my reference to and not the automotive industry as a whole. Too often I have come across websites that have nothing but shit on them about this car. I believe most are made via assumptions after reading some article in a magazine that for the most part the writer wouldn't not have the faintest clue of the GTR or any of the Skylines.
Yes we all have to start somewhere and are constantly learning. Some just need to take on board actual knowledge instead of pursuing asumptions.

Originally posted by Morpheus XIII


I respect an opinion, but I must ask:

Since when do you find carbon fiber on cars that look like something you can buy for 6 grand? Or factory 18" wheels? And only mediocre engineering spawns individual cylinder throttle-bodies? Getrag gearbox? Exhaust pressure sensitive control? Four-wheel steering? Brembo braking system? Front and rear diffusers?



Ok, in the US this may sound flash and exotic, but in Japan its all pretty main stream in this class of car.
And it was all done by other Manufactors long before it appeared on the GTR.
Hell you could buy an AWD Civic long before the GTR came along, and 4wheel steer Preludes have been around since the mid 80s. Infact I can't think of a single Japanese car I havn't seen an AWD version of. (sorry, I have yet to see an AWD S-Cargo, or Lexus car.)

In the early 90s the first of the Mitsi GTOs (3000GT VR4 in the US) had an adapotive spoiler that extended at high speed, something the GTR still dosn't have.

Quad throttle bodys on a road car are a fix for poor inlet manifold and port design, and plenty of Japanese cars make as much or more hp with only one (e.g. NSX, Supra)

Brembo brakes are nothing special, give me a couple of grand and I can buy some off the shelf for my Civic. (but dont need to, as the stock set up is more than effective) And Again plenty of other Japas come with them stock. Mitsi EVO or Subi WRX STi anyone?

Getrag g/box? Who cares, its just Nissan saving money on building thier own. Did you know the Corvette, S2000, HSV Range, and Lotus Carlton among other cars all use the same 6sp g/box. (I think its also a Getrag unit??)

The Exhaust pressure sensitive control is about the only unique and clever thing I can think of, but its not quite as good as having an Anti Lag system as fitted to the new EVO VII.



And for 6g I could easily find any number of R32 GTE Coupes with Wide body kits and 17inch wheels so they look on the road like exact replicas of GTR's. However thier powered by a rather asthmatic 2.0L N/A six, and most are Autos.
(I even saw a non Turbo R34 coupe dressed up in a GTR body kit today, its quite convincing till you hear it slur through its gear change, with out any hint of a Turbo spooling)



The GTR at the end of the day, and despite its Awsome! performance is still based on a mass produced Japanese shopping cart, and as a result is compromised in many ways. Its heavier than it could be, its engine is mounted further forward than it really should be, and its suspension lay out still has to have room for back seats and a boot.
And IMO the R33 and R34 rely far to much on electronic driving aids to maitian traction, but then so does the AMG.

And of course at the end of the day it still has a Nissan Badge on the frount, associating it will lovel cars such as the Pulsar, the Micra, the S Cargo, the Aviner, the Sunny etc etc etc. Cars that will not be remember in history for anything more than making great first cars, and being very easy to crush.




The AMG might be slower, (I dont even want to know what it would take it put it in he same league as the GTR) but it makes up for it with much better build quality and higher level of enginering (go do service work on a Skyline and a Merc and you will know what I mean) and of course a level of luxury that would be wasted on the GTR.

If you want to go and terroise old ladys in thier Pulsars, and have an awsome week end track car then the GTR is by far the best choice.
But if you want a car that will get you from one end of the country to the other in the fastest most comfterbly way, and has a badge associated with some of the worlds best cars and a History that goes back to the dawn of the Motor Vehcile than the AMG is the car of choice.



Personaly I would not own either, I consider both inefficiant in thier intended purpose as sports cars.




edit:NOTE, Razor is going to kill me tomorrow if he reads this before he leaves. :uoh: :uoh:

ouch~ but you do have a point. and of course all of us knows the GT-R is not immortal, but we all just love it for some reason and its still my dreamcar.

the only reason i enjoy hating GTRs is to get under the skin of the subculture so fanatically devoted to them . . .

think about it, here, in AMERICA, we have people who would give a limb just to have a car theyve never seen in person, never felt the dynamic of, never even seen at a stop light

it just brings a warm feeling to me to bash the overrated attitude associated with american-japanese import conissuers and their beloved skylines . . . i cant hate the people who actually are devoted to the car, because im devoted to e30/e36 m3s - and think the world of them, but i just dont like the large subculture of posers associated with the japanese import scene and in particular those who love the skyline having never even seen it - in fact, theyve never even been on the same continent as one!

i think this is the reason why ull see so many americans bashing skylines, were just so sick of hearing what the skyline can do from some teenager who just opened up a car magazine yesterday, still calls a nitrous oxide system "naws", and whose favorite movie is the fast and the furious

it just gets me sick to the point of vomiting if i have to hear about the skyline any longer, can it be good to the point where people who have never seen it are ready to own one?? well, CAN IT???
:licker: :flash: :smoker: :smoka: :devil: :devil: :finger: :bloated: :alien: :confused: :confused: :p

Originally posted by BlOOe46
, can it be good to the point where people who have never seen it are ready to own one?? well, CAN IT???



Almost. I mean it really is the GOD of Japanese Super cars in terms of performance. I got a ride down the 1/4 in RazorGTR's R32 yesterday, it was pretty wild off the line. It just squats and throws you back in the seat.
But inside it still looks and feels like any other Japanese car (sorry vince :( )
When you get in something like a Ferrari or Lotus you know you are in a very fast car. The GTR just didnt give me that impresion till my helmet was fastened to the back of the seat, and the ride was over and we were doing 100mph before I even knew what had happened.
Its sort of an Underdog in the Super car world (which is why some ppl like it) and a Super car in the family car/shopping cart world, (the other reason ppl like it).

The AMG might be slower, but it has an air of performance and style around it that the Skyline can't match.


One thing I have learned from working on cars like Ferraris and Lotus etc is the real thing in the flesh when you have to work on it isnt really all that sophisticated and after driving an Esprit (although awsome) not quite as mind blowing as you would expect. It's still an awsome experiance, but at the end of the day a car is still a car. Wether it cost $200,000 and is a true super car, or it cost $200 and is a piece of crap.


Cars in Magazines are like Women in Magazines. Thier all air brushed and hyped up, and although they may still take your breath away in the flesh, its not quite as aw inspiring as you expect. Most ppl especialy posters on this forum have only seen cars like the GTR in Magazines.
You made some good points BlOOe46, but be careful with how you talk to some members here, as many actualy own GTR's. :)
(and they are faster than E36 M3s, as Yesterday proved. (12.8 from Vince, and a 13.2 from an E36 M3))

Hahah no worries Moppie.
I have said before to me the power and performance of a standard or near standard Skyline GTR is boring. While others who have never had the oppertunity to ride in or drive one will not think that on their first rides.

What you said about the interior is spot on. There is nothing special about. As a matter of fact I have seen smaller cheaper priced cars with a lot better interior layout and design. The major plus is the seats in the GTR. The factory seats are race style seats. You sit in them not on them. There is latteral and head support like you would find on a high end expensive aftermarket seat. Considering the car is now 11 years old it is not too bad though. The R34 is much better in terms of design but again for a "super car" it leaves a little to be desired.

I love my car. I love the Skyline model range. Even the less known and reveired 2 litre dohc turbos and N/A GTS's. For me it is something special and something that 80% of the world has yet to enjoy. They are filtering in even now into new places. Why Nissan decided not to sell them new world wide is beyond me. I would believe strongly had they released a left hand driver version in the states new this car would have been the top selling Japanese performance car there bar none. Brand new they would have been on par with the upper end US cars such as the Vette in price. Probably around the $38,000 USD mark as there would not have been the extra duties MotoRex puts on.

Originally posted by Moppie

(and they are faster than E36 M3s, as Yesterday proved. (12.8 from Vince, and a 13.2 from an E36 M3))

was that a stock e36?? . . . better than i expected :o

alas, however, e36s arent cars for the strip . . . i would like to see how he wouldve faired against an AA turbo :devil:

I still do stand by my comments- the Skyline GTR will blow you away on the strip and glide nicely through corners but it's still a compact-executive coupe with a crass I6 (Sorry about the confusion witht he V6 stuff :o) with two very sweet turbos- and some techno gadgets added on by the techno-whizz Japanese (They never fail to make me wonder what they'll think up next :D) And I stand by my comments on the looks of the car- back in New Zealand there were like millions of R34 Coupes non-turbo and turbo- with GTR look-a-like kits- however- they never seemed to change the radiator grille- which meant I always could tell fake from real.- I understand how it is different in the US of A.

I also take back my much earlier comments on the insult of the Nissan badge.

The Merc is a lot more Civilised than the Skyline- it is more comfortable and refined, it has much silkier of an engine and the party trick folding top- I still can't get enough of that :D Also it loves a good spanking- however the downside is I'm not sure that they come in manual :(


If I had a choice it'd be

SLK- for day to day
and GTR for track and strip (And I aren't talking about no sunset strip either) :D

Originally posted by BlOOe46


was that a stock e36?? . . . better than i expected :o

alas, however, e36s arent cars for the strip . . .

Neither was the GTR ;)

AA Turbo :eek: Mean little critters

AA Turbo? :confused: