NOS VS> SUPERCHARGER

Here i am with my 79' Monte Carlo again. I want more PONIES!. ok, should i stay clean and keep my respect. or sould i play the same game rice dose and use a bottle

id do a supercharger, costs more, but always has the power. both would be cool. :naughty:

ok now here's a thought,,, could you posibly have both, giving that you had forged internals and such??? would be fun

With enough money u can do anything...

lol, he thinks nitrous is an import thing... :lol:

with the bottle you could blow your engine easier.

lol, he thinks nitrous is an import thing... :lol:
heheh...yeah...its more of an old drag car thing...my friend has a old school nova, supercharged...and NAWSED!! :lol: yeah...i always figured it was an all around american thing...that ricers abuse.

heheh...yeah...its more of an old drag car thing...my friend has a old school nova, supercharged...and NAWSED!! :lol: yeah...i always figured it was an all around american thing...that ricers abuse.


i think its a german thing, i believe they used it during ww2 on thier fighters.

lol, he thinks nitrous is an import thing... :lol:

ROFL

ok now here's a thought,,, could you posibly have both, giving that you had forged internals and such??? would be fun

You should find out how both of these work and how an engine works before you decide. DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME!!!!!

lol, he thinks nitrous is an import thing... :lol:


damn. i wanted to say something first :lol: :rofl:

Ah,,, im just gunna run it til it blows up then build a new one,,, this is my first car so i'll do all my mad scientist work on the old junker engine

If you're gonna do any forced induction, do a turbo...unless you're on a budget...

^^79 monte carlo^^

turbo'ing that car is just plain waste of money. supercharger will give the same results and probably a grand cheaper

Okay, I've always had it forced down my throat that turbo > S/C...I can't wait 'till Neutrino gets to this thread... :)

I own a 01 Monte Carlo...The 79 should just stay N/A...

yeah, I also think turbo > s/c -
turbo's gain more boost, right? Or can superchargers do more than 14 psi / 1 bar?

get a mountian bike u noob, nitrous oxide is a gas NOS is a name brand as well as nitrous works, and others

from my understand ing superchargers are better for the low reving cars and turbo's work better for high reving cars.

depending on the application is turbo > supercharger.

my car has a turbo in it and i couldnt be any happier any other way. a great example of a supercharger being better than a turbo is a damn Cavilier got me off of the line in my AWD.

if i had any other car i would say supercharger is better due to the power on command

supercharged all the way

thanks

I'm all about the s/c....last longer than a tank of NOS, so is therefore cheaper in the long run.

Plus i like the whine it makes!

Superchargers is better because u dont have to worry about blowing the motor.

Superchargers is better because u dont have to worry about blowing the motor.


Yeah you do!!! you have to be very careful with all types of forced induction turbo/super/nitrous, You must make sure you compensate with enough fuel for the extra air, otherwise you'll run lean and...boom.


About the super vs turbo debate, I'm not gonna go into it but from a technical point of view turbos are far better. Of course that is not to say superchargers don't have their place since they are cheaper and easier to install and tune.

Also the concept of turbos are for high rpm power and supers are for low its a Myth.

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Centrifugal superchargers anyone?

I wouldn't waste my time with a centrifugal. If you're lookin for the easy way out, centrifugal is the way. I'd rather put more work into turboing or positive displacement supercharging(roots blower, screw type, etc). They'll give much better results, imho.

Supercharged.

Yeah you do!!! you have to be very careful with all types of forced induction turbo....blah blah blah...point and case....important crap here and a few links

beat me to saying anything! :grinno:

N20 is the cheepest bang for your buck, and you can have a SC or Turbo and N20.

And yes, you can have a Nitrous Oxide Systems kit on your car, they do make many different types which will suit your needs.

Course....i'm a fan of venom kits myself....

beat me to saying anything! :grinno:

N20 is the cheepest bang for your buck, and you can have a SC or Turbo and N20.

And yes, you can have a Nitrous Oxide Systems kit on your car, they do make many different types which will suit your needs.

Course....i'm a fan of venom kits myself....



LOL...when i first looked at my quote i was like :eek7: WTF I did not say that. Good summary of my post though :iceslolan


Oh and i agree on the venom kits, pricy but they are about the best dry kits.

yah superchargers give out incredible low end power but i'd have to say the best all around f/i apllication for many cars i've seen has been sequential turbos where its twin turbo, one small turbo to spool up quick at low end and one much bigger turbo to give insane high end power as well.

yah superchargers give out incredible low end power

you got that right i scared the shit out of my self tonight when i was racing and shifted into second the car flung me into my seat and the car was tourqe stering like nuts because i wasnt expecting it to do that its crazy stuff, ive personaly never experenced anything like this in a turboed car so i was supprised when it happend lucky i was able to keep control of my car lol but i almost pissed my pants lol

anyways rootchargers loves dry N20 to cool them down and to give a nice boost at the same time

a guy from jbody.org ran a mid 13 with 4.5psi and a 50 shot : ) everything else stock on the 2.4L engine not bad if you ask me

so i say S/C + N2O = crazyness

but i'd have to say the best all around f/i apllication for many cars i've seen has been sequential turbos where its twin turbo, one small turbo to spool up quick at low end and one much bigger turbo to give insane high end power as well.
In a sequential system, both turbos are used in high boost.

o yeah forgot to mention the dude with the s/c and n2o setup dynoed at 270whp with that setup i think thats alot for a car only weighing 2612lbs

now he just updated us and is now running a 70hp dry shot and is running a 13.1 - 13.2 i think he traped at something like 112 i dunno ill have to find out :O

still all on stock internals not bad if you ask me

but superchargers + N2O = Lots of FUN

i would suggest that to anyone thats into drag racing with there charger

i cant imagine what that would do on a second gen 3800 s/c engine with forged interals that would just be crazy

I'm gonna have to vote for the blower, but I'm a bit biased ;) Love my Paxton, even more now with the heads and intercooler. Just dyno'd 432rwhp/422rwtq. :iceslolan

Just dyno'd 432rwhp/422rwtq. :iceslolan


wanna trade engines lol

im sure i could figuer out of to fit it in my tiny car lol

Big engines + little cars = FUN :iceslolan Like the Focus with the Cobra engine swap, crazy stuff.

i'd have to say the best all around f/i apllication for many cars i've seen has been sequential turbos where its twin turbo, one small turbo to spool up quick at low end and one much bigger turbo to give insane high end power as well.

no

most twin turbos on stock cars come with the same size turbo. in fact, i think all twin turbo cars have each turbo the same size, but there probably is some exception i dont know about. and it is pretty rare to see sequential turbos where one is small and the other big. think about it, its not like you can just cut off the first turbo. your big turbo will be limited by the small one. if you are pushing lots of boost on the big turbo, your little one wont be able to keep up and will fail. better way to go is just one large single. thats why lots of supra owners go single.

Supercharged

no

most twin turbos on stock cars come with the same size turbo. in fact, i think all twin turbo cars have each turbo the same size, but there probably is some exception i dont know about. and it is pretty rare to see sequential turbos where one is small and the other big. think about it, its not like you can just cut off the first turbo. your big turbo will be limited by the small one. if you are pushing lots of boost on the big turbo, your little one wont be able to keep up and will fail. better way to go is just one large single. thats why lots of supra owners go single.
FD RX-7's came sequentially turbo'ed too. Although I agree with your argument, ecause it seems almost all owners opt for a large single turbo.

Supercharger nos you will wind up hurting your engine in the long run and payin more for fills. :nono: No nos 4 u :nono: :biggrin:

Weiand makes some good blowers for a good price, you can check them out in any jegs or summit type catalogs. The 144's sit pretty low, so you may not even have to invest in a cowl hood, that would be a decent sleeper indeed.

I Would Deff. Go With Sc Alone. Much Safer. And More Reliable.
But If Your Thinking About Both Go With A Turbo And To Cover Up The Lag Thow In A Shot Of Nos.

unfortunately you jumped in about 5 months late

I like to huf nitrous but my truck dont...haha(uncontrolable laughing due to n2o intake)
If you go with n2o be sure to get the wet shot. You have less of a chance of buring pistons out...

but doesn't the smaller spooling turbo limit how much boost the larger turbo can run? or is it all in the set up. i thought i read that somewhere

supercharger for obvious reasons..

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I would say a turbo sq, just to fuck with the guys heads, or get a big ass s/c and show it off

I put a supercharger on my '98 Mustang Cobra - never could get it tuned right - then blew the engine...it starts to get real expensive if you don't know how to do your own tuning!

supercharge it, why:
1. you can run out of nitrous
2. nitrous can blow up
3. you can inhale it(maybe this is a good thing, lol)
4. there is an on/off switch
5. the only cool factor is the purge valve
6. engines don't like that sudden pressure
7. the added power may not be enough
8. waste trunk/seat space
9. you have to add your source of power, an empty bottle is useless
10. a supercharger would pay for itself in terms of fun factor vs. refilling a bottle

IMO, I wouldn't use either.