Nsx R vs Viper Srt 10

2007 is suppose to be the model year of it's release and the V8 has been scratched in favor of 3.5L Twin Turbo 6-Cylinder making 400HP+.

2007 is suppose to be the model year of it's release and the V8 has been scratched in favor of 3.5L Twin Turbo 6-Cylinder making 400HP+.

Correct!!! yes some1 knos the truth!!

2007 is suppose to be the model year of it's release and the V8 has been scratched in favor of 3.5L Twin Turbo 6-Cylinder making 400HP+.

It figures. It did seem a bit strange that they would use a V8.

In any case, on a more on topic note, who designed the body of the NSX? Its looks great! :smile:
Certainly unlike the rest of the Honda range, it doesn’t look like it was derived from another model. And to me things like flip up headlights never go out of style. It’s upsetting that the Corvette C6 won’t have these anymore :disappoin

Well their competition will be using v8s so why not them? m3 is getting a 4L v8 with 400hp (redline is over 8k i believe), vette has a v8, dunno about the new supra, the s4 has a v8...

It figures. It did seem a bit strange that they would use a V8.

In any case, on a more on topic note, who designed the body of the NSX? Its looks great! :smile:
Certainly unlike the rest of the Honda range, it doesn’t look like it was derived from another model. And to me things like flip up headlights never go out of style. It’s upsetting that the Corvette C6 won’t have these anymore :disappoin

Umm the '04 NSXs don't have the flip up headlights either.

Umm the '04 NSXs don't have the flip up headlights either.

Youre right. They have givin it a face lift at the front.
Pity about the lights. Still looks good though.

it's not so bad, when the car gets older, the recoil motor breaks down easily. and you have a one light fully open, while the other half open. i see it all the time on older japanese coupes, funny shit. lol.

Youre right. They have givin it a face lift at the front.
Pity about the lights. Still looks good though.

They should put the after market style rx-7 lights on the nsx that would look hot!!

i kinda prefer the nose of the older nsx.
it looks more purposeful; almost jet fighter like.

I'm gonna hafta say Viper. In my opinion the viper is the best car ever made. 10 cyl, 500 HP, doin 0-60 in 3 sec....besides like a Ferarri or any of the big exotic cars, the viper could take any car! IT looks so sweet too!

best car ever made? don't delude yourself. lol. it's a great car. and it's in the high 3s for 0-60 with the best launch.

no way the Mclaren Lm or an open wheel racer/LMP. :naughty:

I'm gonna hafta say Viper. In my opinion the viper is the best car ever made. 10 cyl, 500 HP, doin 0-60 in 3 sec....besides like a Ferarri or any of the big exotic cars, the viper could take any car! IT looks so sweet too!

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lol yea viper stock doesnt come near 3 sec's buddy. And a ferrari would woop its ass.

depends on which ferrari you are talking about

depends on which ferrari you are talking about

A 308 :disappoin modena :rolleyes: f40 :) f50 :biggrin: ENZO :iceslolan F2003 :smooch: peace.... :sadwavey:

Haha Not exactly they probly still workin on it. The R35 will have to be released if the new nsx comes out (my opinion) which it will. No the new sky if produced will have a flat six. As far as im concerned the r34 does it for me. :biggrin:
The new NSX won't be coming out. The old NSX will contiue until demand reaches 0.

lol yea viper stock doesnt come near 3 sec's buddy. And a ferrari would woop its ass.

Dodge claims the new SRT-10 is well under 4 secs.

Dodge claims the new SRT-10 is well under 4 secs.

Your not having your daily dose car & driver now are you:nono:. C&D tested the srt-10 it was 4.2.

Dodge claims the new SRT-10 is well under 4 secs.

Nobody is doubting the Viper an awesome car, but the best car ever made, please.

Your not having your daily dose car & driver now are you:nono:. C&D tested the srt-10 it was 4.2.

just because the conditions were bad or the c&d drivers were not good enough to get the viper under 4 sec it doesn't mean its not capable of doing it.

Here is Justin Bell giving it a try in Motor Trend

http://motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0306_spdtest_060_z.jpg

Justin Bell Well all I can say is this Justin Bell is a vcery good driver cause he brought the true potential of the car out. However most people probly can beat under 4 sec's unless its Kousuke Kida :iceslolan or M. schumacher or Andy lally.

Nobody is doubting the Viper an awesome car, but the best car ever made, please.

when the hell did I say it was the best car? you must have me confused with the other guy. in fact I was the one who said no no first.

Your not having your daily dose car & driver now are you:nono:. C&D tested the srt-10 it was 4.2.

Well all I can say is this Justin Bell is a vcery good driver cause he brought the true potential of the car out. However most people probly can beat under 4 sec's unless its Kousuke Kida :iceslolan or M. schumacher or Andy lally.
I guess you waited no time to correct yourself? lol.

check out: http://auto.consumerguide.com/auto/new/reviews/full/index.cfm/id/37548

The car has realistic potential to be launched less than 4 secs.

And here's an example: just because I like car A, it'd be ridiculous of me to deny the capabilities of car B in hopes of bashing it and make it seem inferior.

In the case of NSX VS Viper, I'd be happy to get either one of these.

when the hell did I say it was the best car? you must have me confused with the other guy. in fact I was the one who said no no first.

Yea that was ~ streetglow


In the case of NSX VS Viper, I'd be happy to get either one of these.

I would too :evillol: noth devilish cars but I would take the the nsx cause its not a convertible I HATE convertibles. + the nsx is mid engine so I like that better and it has way more upgrades and more of an economy cause its not a gas guzzler. Btw in n.y its around 2.25 where I live a GALLON!

Some sweet NSX's
http://www.modernracer.com/features/sema2003pics/sema2003pic14.jpg
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Die hard Japanese Import fans will always say NSX; die hard American Car (Domestic for me) fans will always say viper. I say give me both.

well, looking at the press+media,
die hard car fans/drivers also say nsx....

Die hard Japanese Import fans will always say NSX; die hard American Car (Domestic for me) fans will always say viper. I say give me both.

GAS prices are the main factor especially for most americans.

die hard car fans/drivers also say nsx....
:screwy: :spit: :screwy:

I'm not bashing either one...like them both ALOT...but I sincerely doubt the credability of this man's post. :nono:

:screwy: :spit: :screwy:

I'm not bashing either one...like them both ALOT...but I sincerely doubt the credability of this man's post. :nono:

What hes tryin to say is that is more drivable like a porsche carrera gt3 to a lamborghini diablo. Yes the lambo has more power but a true driver can easily match the lambo's track time due to the porsche exccelent track potential.

all you got to do is watch the porsches lap the murcielago in american lemans (looks cooler than anything elso on the track though)

die hard car fans/drivers also say nsx....
actually, when i said this, i meant it as it reads.

i mean, when a guys like gordon murray and walter rohl say the NSX is near perfect, who am i to argue?

Well then the Viper must be damn well perfect considering a lightly breathed on ACR Viper GTS coupe smacked around a Vortech supercharged NSX for several years in Speed World Challenge.

That was, of course, before Archer Motorsports left to become Dodge's factory Trans-Am team, developing a 5.0L carbed V8 powered Viper for Trans-Am racing.

http://www.deepthrottle.com/Photo/lb01_viper_ta.jpg

...perfect in terms of car set-up, feel, handling etc etc.
not whether or not one car can beat another.
i'm pretty sure this has been said before and not just by me
but,
the faster car does not neccesarily mean the better car.

but then again.
i just re-read the opening post in this thread.
he's asking about the better track car....

In the simplicity it all this sums it up the viper was made more of a crusing have fun when u want car the nsx-r is a raised and bred track no ?'s asked.

Until you consider that the Viper has the better track record, is the faster car, and is considerably less expensive to own, tune, and maintain than the NSX.

The Viper wins this argument hands down as the superior track car.

Until you consider that the Viper has the better track record, is the faster car, and is considerably less expensive to own, tune, and maintain than the NSX.

The Viper wins this argument hands down as the superior track car.

Yea 4 now anyway hehe lets jus say there are gonna be some improve ments on the nsx cant say what but it will be on alot of mags when it happens. :biggrin: The vip is the winner for now but not for long hehe.

Tommy Archer and his Viper Competition Coupe sat on pole this weekend in Speed World Challenge GT at Mosport. Where was the Realtime NSX? Sitting in a Honda warehouse awaiting museum display as competition rendered it obsolete.

Yeah, I'm sure the Mopar boys are quivering in their boots.

All i can say is actions speak louder then words. thats all I have on this matter. Those mopars arent gonna know what hit em. Also how nice is the nsx tuned that they had?? Nothin can stop the SIGNAL nsx cuz I love it and it has massive power and its awsome hehe.

i cant believe the viper is winning. The NSX is the superior car. It may be down 200hp and 5000cc... but it weighs 600lb LESS than the viper... its mid mounted engine has better balance and weight distribution. it will carry more speed through the corners. and i'm not saying the viper wouldnt win, even around a circuit, it probably would, but only from ass-whoopin straight line performance... give the NSX another 100hp and the contest is over.


watch the best motoring touge competitions..... it proves that power isnt everything (and they are not staged).

http://204.73.168.62/photo/NSX%20Type-R.jpg

But the main factor is the driver im sure if we put my 1 of my idol behind the wheel hed woop a reg test drivers ass. idol ~ Gordon Murray, Mario Andretti, Takuma Sato, Andy lally & you all know it you better 6 time f1 world champion M.S. If you dont know it please :disappoin .....

http://tinypic.com/1lmxz

Like I've said countless times before, Vipers have stoopid huge amounts of grip (with 275/40-17 tires up front and 335/35-17 tires in the back it's hard not to), massive braking (especially the later models with ABS), and are startlingly good in successive corners (I've seen the things go through the Esses at Mid-Ohio, nice and level with just a hint of oversteer). ACR models come with adjustable Koni shocks and even bigger brakes, and Vipers react incredibly well to basic tuning. (John Hennessy actually learned that plugging the NACA duct on the GTS hood was good for 5hp).

The NSX needed a Vortech supercharger to remain competitive with Audi S4's and BMW M3's during a season in which Tommy Archer and his all conquering ACR Viper GTS were shelved to help Dodge with its nascent (and ultimately futile) Trans-Am program. Nowadays, the NSX is a relic (and Realtime, the team that campaigned it, is busy sorting out Acura TSX bugs in Touring class competition hoping that the rules allowing SRT-4's into the class next year don't render them uncompetitive) while the new Viper Competition Coupe is busy mopping up what competition hasn't been buried by the Pratt & Miller Cadillac CTS-V's.

Cadillac CTS-V's WILL dominate they are awsome cars. I saw the race car in real life it was awsome and the stupid crowd was lookn @ the carrera gt instead they are stupid.

I will give PD Cunningham credit, Realtime did a bangup job with this car keeping it as competitive as they did in 1998, taking the GT championship.

http://www.nsxprime.com/Events/2001/nsxpo2001/jgust/john_g7.jpg

But in the end, this was always the car to beat in GT. 1999 and 1997 champion Bobby Archer and his ACR Viper GTS.

http://www.sccapro.com/news/press/99wc-gt-32-archer-72.jpg

what really bugs me about these comparisons is that they are more often than not flawed and biased.

how i see things.
amongst its peers, the nsx is right up there with the best of them.
by peers, i mean 3.0 litre cars that have around 300 bhp.
when you throw into it the fact that the car has remained virtually unchanged for 10+ years whilst reamining a benchmark adds to its greatness.
that is my judge.

even if you gnore the engine size and compare directly with cars with similar bhp, it takes a car with at least 50 horses more to compare.

that is why the nsx is great in my eyes.

but the viper.
well, among its group of 500ish bhp cars, can you really say it is one of the best in it's group the way the nsx is?

but then again.
i've digressed.
the thread asks which is the better track car.
the obvious answer is that the car with more horsepower will be 'better'.

i.e the same way that a ford focus can outdo a sl500 in a slalom but lose on a track.

just look at the layout, FR vs MR.... all the best cars are mid mounted engines.... diablos, mclaren F1's etc....

jcsaleen: Honda announced a few months ago that they have cancelled plans for their NSX replacement. Meanwhile, the Viper is getting better and better, constantly expanding its horizons. Dodge is even building a Viper drift car. I love the NSX, but it's not quite ready to dice with the Viper yet.

all the best cars are mid mounted engines

BMW M3/5?
Aston Martins?
Ferrari 575?
Mercedes SL55AMG?
Porsches?
TVRs?

I would like to see signals nsx take dodges drift viper in a contest they have about equal hp then see who wins :)

all the best cars are mid mounted engines

BMW M3/5?
Aston Martins?
Ferrari 575?
Mercedes SL55AMG?
Porsches?
TVRs?


the BEST.... the absolute titans of the supercars... the murcielago, the diablo, the mclaren f1, the enzo, the zonda, mosler, the dauer... i am talking uber expensive super performance supercars... dont get me wrong, i love all those other cars madly and i will probably own a m3 one day but in performance terms they cant touch those cars...

In the end MR is superior due to weight displacement if I remember correctly.

In the end MR is superior due to weight displacement if I remember correctly.


weight distribution maybe ?

weight distribution maybe ?

Bwahaha yeah, that's the word.

an NSX is not a proper supercar, and will never be a proper supercar. A good sports car, yes. But not a supercar. The design is awesome, but it should've never been put to compete in the super car arena. And this comparison is stupid. Of course the SRT10 would own it. Shouldve pitted an NSX vs. Porsche or something.

the dodge would own wat? the tail lights of the NSX going around the next corner as the dodge is coming out of the previous corner...in the straights 500hp is going to dominate even wit ha 3000lb curb weight....the NSX is great in corners...honda needs to bring the power up a lil htought...even though the torque curve on the NSX is as flat as it gets....

Dude. The Viper can turn. Maybe not as well as the NSX, But it's no slouch through the corners.
Can we have enough with the American Cars can't turn crap please?

no they can turn alright, but NSX's turn awesome... the closest thing u will get to supercar handling... especially a good spec NSX (eg. s-zero). u say vipers are cheaper. in america yes, everywhere else, no. do u have any idea how cheap early 90's NSX's are in japan? ridiculously cheap. do u have any idea how much i will pay for a viper in aus??? ok example just got an average example - black 1996 viper RT/10, 6 speed manual convertible... $149,999 (thats australian $ or $104,000 US) ... now a '91 honda 6 speed manual hardtop NSX is going for $56,000.... a 3rd of the price... but wait, there is a twin turbo NSX with over 400 whp and heaps of other mods for $75,000, and its registered!!! (dont believe me? HERE (http://www.carsales.com.au/pls/carsales/!cs_content.private_vehicle?vehicle_id=140256&current_rec=2&total_rec=9&sort_type=&make_id=19&model_id=134&state_id=-1&search_distance=25) is the site) now tell me thats not gonna kick viper ass?

Who said vipers are cheaper?!?! LOL!!! Sorry I have to laugh... Viper Cheaper than NSX's??? what country do you live in??? haha can't pick up a used viper for under 40k around me... I've seen NSX's listed for 18-30k.....

(I live in Washington State, USA)


and new prices NSX ~85k
Viper ~ 100k

i wouldnt know i dont live in USA... well there u go, what sense does it make to buy a viper if a NSX is so much cheaper? i mean if i had saved $15,000 US and i had that money i would spend a good 6-7000 on suspension and chassis, 3-4000 on engine, 1-2000 on rims and tyres and the rest on misc stuff: racing seat and harness, sound system, short shift kit and clutch. then i would have 1 awesome, quick, mad handling machine. the only thing the viper would have over my nsx would be torque.

wow I really didnt expect sucha huge amount of replys I just wanted to know a quick answer and man was I wrong lol. Btw we are talking about the nsx-R Not the nsx...

Twin Turbo the NSX... it gets pretty good results heheh :P

Uhmm... I forgot what the original question was now... :P