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Hey everyone my name is Tim and I am new here. I don't know very much about cars so hopefull you can help me out.

Let's say I wanted to put an engine in my car that is basiclly at the breaking point of being street legal and able to drive on at least preium gas. What engine parts would I need.

I've also wanted to put an NOS booster in a car but "you need an engine that can take the abuse of the NOS"

So my main question is what kind of engine would you need to do this type of stuff, what parts do you need to make it able to handle the abuse.

Like I said I don't know much but I'd like learn so any help would be greatly appreciated. Than You for your time.

Tim

Hey Tim, well NOS is a pretty powerful thing. Not only does the engine take abuse, but the bearings, trans. and the whole bunch. If you are willing to still get NOS, then you should BEEF up your car big time if it is not already. The bigger the engine, trans. etc. the better!

You essentially have to rebuild your motor. It depends on your car and stock motor, some stock motors are built damn well, others suck. But if you are talking about a typical car, you will need to replace most of the internal parts in your motor.
As well, how big of a shot of nitrous(if you have already decided) are you trying to put in your car? Because that would make a big difference.
3rdly, nitrous is 100% street illegal, just FYI.
Lastly, may I suggest you do a bit more research on the car/modifications you intend to do. As you previously said, you don't know very much about cars. I suggest you research and decide if nitrous is really the route you wish to pursue. There are plenty of other ways to get hp and go fast. You might be interested in forced induction. ie. a turbo or supercharger. A supercharger for instance has the power 100% of the time, you don't need to refill any bottles, and it is legal. When you hit the gas, the power is there, you don't need to crack open any bottles or refill it every time you race. It just seems to me that you might benefit more from taking a step back and really learning/deciding what exactly you are going for, that way you will be more happy with the end result and have a more enjoyable time along the way.

Hey everyone my name is Tim and I am new here. I don't know very much about cars so hopefull you can help me out.

Let's say I wanted to put an engine in my car that is basiclly at the breaking point of being street legal and able to drive on at least preium gas. What engine parts would I need.

I've also wanted to put an NOS booster in a car but "you need an engine that can take the abuse of the NOS"

So my main question is what kind of engine would you need to do this type of stuff, what parts do you need to make it able to handle the abuse.

Like I said I don't know much but I'd like learn so any help would be greatly appreciated. Than You for your time.

Tim

First off, it's not "you NEED an engine that can take the abuse", it's "YOU need to tune it properly so it can take the boost".

Second of all, its called nitrous, nitrous oxide, N2O, juice, laughing gas, and so on. NOS is just a brand name that sells nitrous products.

If you want just around 50-75 HP boost, just get a dry kit, you won't need to use premium gasoline, you can, but nothing different or magical will happen.

For more higher boosts up to probably 125 HP, you mght be better off looking for a wet kit. But for up to 300+ HP boost, just get a direct port injection one, it requires a bit of drilling. but if you want INSANE amounts of boost, just get a stronger engine block to start off with.

If you really want to learn more about cars just go to the engineering/ technical forum, it's under "cars in general"

while were at it what engines (stock) you think or know can handle "laughing gas"

id like to know that too but i doubt a solara engin can take it cuz of the fwd despite the 04 V6

Ok, what does the engine drivetrain have anything to do with the ability to use Nitrous? Turbos can be just as powerful, looks like civics are breaking the rules or something, because they are FWD. Oh, and so are integras, maybe GTI VR6s, and maybe the RSX.


Kenwood guy:
I can't tell you what engine is good for you, you have to tell me what car you have...

im new trying to learn :P

thanks

im new trying to learn :P

thanks

hehe, I sounded mean didn't I, sorry about that, I thought you were one of those jackasses always trying to be smart.

dont worry about me I drive an old Old Old did I say old ????? 91 chevy caprice with 5.0 engine its weak unfun, boring, cheap and it has 203k miles!!! I hope to get a car soon im looking at the 240sx with the ka engine no sure about the swap but I hope someone can give me good news about the engine I think most old skool american cars can handle "laughing gas" I loved Elenor in gone in 60 seconds when juice helped smoke that chopper !!

ive never seen old skool american muscle wit nitrous u sure they can take it

have you seen gone in 60 sec F&F anyway I said I think

Most american drag cars take nitrous... After all, wasn't it the Americans that introduced Nitrous to the Automotive industry?

And please don't make references to movies, most don't hold much fact, and are only meant to entertain their audiences.

I've seen an older Camaro running nitrous at the track. It was a 70's something model.

Stock set up nitrous is not a good idea but a small shot can be used! Hell I ran a Pontiac Grand am on a 120 shot for a full season, got to happy with the juice and blew 2 pistons apart! hence why not to run nitrous on a stock motor! but if your new to moding cars dont go with nitrous yet lean as much as ya can about building engines and setting up nitrous kits first! I didnt I have learned by trial and error but I learned an am still learning.

but what about smaller shots you can stiil leave it stock right??

ehh ya but it will shorten the life of everything, and make sure the rev's are up low rpms will blow it to itty bitty pieces been there done that

Wow, this thread seems kind of off. Can american muscle take nitrous oxide? YES. These V8's can take it before the little econo 4 bangers can, so if they can take it, then the V8's are even better. A lot of people are running nitrous nowadays. There are Model A's and deuce coupes running nitrous. Most "older" cars as you say it have had rebuilt engines/trannys anyway, so why not? Any car can take about a 50 hp shot(depending on previous abuse). When going above about a 100 shot of nitrous you will need new internals. This includes forged crank, forged hyperautic pistons, and forged I-beam rods. If you don't take precautions, and even sometimes if you do, you will fry your engine within a couple of shots. Nitrous can be harmful, but is also efficient and is a sensible power adder if used correctly. Problem being not many people use it sensibly(i.e. ricers). Many of the "tuners" don't go to these measures, later wondering why all 4 rods went through their block. So to ensure you aren't one of these, beef up your motor PLEASE!. Hope this helps you understand a little more about nitrous, and precautions for power adders in general. :biggrin:

You can run small amounts of NOS safely, depending on your engine. a stock 350 will make an easy 100-150hp all day long w/o a rebuild. as far as rice gose im not sure due to how sensitive everything is.

man everyones into nitrous these days

i was at circuit city the day before and they had cans of nos in their car department

in a year or 2 they prolly have in toys r us for thos kiddie cars

back on topic, you will have to build a forged motor if you are gonna get serious, forged crank, rods, 4 bolt splayed caps, forged pistons, big feul system...

No, you don't need to rebuild everything. If you want to use a conservative 50hp kit, you're fine.

A wet system is much less likely to blow an engine (vs a dry system).

A window controller ensures that the nos can only be engauged at certain rpm's. This also prevents the engine from being blown.

And a progressive controller ensures the nos is engauged at a slower rate, providing a lot less stress on the engine / drivetrain. Let's say 10 shot at 3k rpm's, 20 at 4000, 35 at 5000, 50 at 6000 & 75 at 7000.

Retarding the timing, using iridium plugs w/ a smaller gap & having a lower compression ratio also help.

I have an msd ignition that retards the timing based on rpm's & it doesn't start retarding the rpm where nos kicks in (my cams like top end retarded anyways).

why would u want nos on an s2000?

I'm not putting nos on my s2000, i was answering the original question (my s2k is supercharged).

Boy the question is like a blank check. First off different engines have different amounts of strenth, meaning some are stronger stock than others.
I going to talk about 2 engines I know very well and from there you'll have to makeup your mind. The engines I know are the Ford 351C and 429-460 SuperCobra Jets and the VG30DE anTT and the VH45DE engines

The VG an VH engines have very strong cranks and rods so only need ARP rod and main bearing cap bolts and studs and billet pistons to make a bullet proof bottom end.
The Fords on the other hand aren't as strong and need after market rods and pistons to handle high loads a blower and nitrous well develop.
I would "O" ring the heads so not to blow the head gaskets the pressure a blower and nitrous can develop.
Having done this your just about ready to go just about anywhere you want with the engine.
If your taking it to the limits, things like modifying the oil system, blue printing the engine, porting the heads are sure ways of making more power and adding to the life of the engine.
I have two hotties. One a Pro Import and the other Pro street and a daily driver which well talk about.
The difference in these two car is night an day, but one runs in the 7's and the other in the 10's.
My street car has a stock crank and rods with ARP rod bolts and ARP studs in the mains and heads. The heads have been "O" ringed as I run a Whipple blower at 20+ boost and a dual shot of nitrous 75 and 150+. The transmission has been beefed up and the torque convertor has a 5,500 stall.
To keep everything from coming unglued I use a water/alky injection system to cool my inlet temp. down from my blower, and have a dual ECU (computer) connected to a laptop to control my fuel/air mixture and timing. The cams, valve springs, exhaust were needed to develop the power I make to reach the speeds I run in the time I run the !/4.
For what you asked you'll need to do some research on the engine you plan to use and go from there.
Hope I've been alittle help. The web site listed below, I'm #3. Look at some of my specs. and if you have any questions it lists my email address or continue this thread.

Albert

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