amsoil
enduro93
05-16-2004, 08:55 AM
does anyone use amsoil?
joebowlr21
05-18-2004, 06:09 PM
I use it. Awesome stuff.I use their 7500 mile oil, but still change my oil every 3500 just cuz i like workin on my car.
Ace$nyper
05-18-2004, 06:10 PM
i will be using it with my new motor i've read *in CR* that its the best out there.
sracing
05-21-2004, 04:04 PM
Amsoil is not a "bad" oil, but it is hardly the best and it is very overpriced.
We (SR Racing) did some oil testing (dyno) with a couple other labs. (Lubrication Sciences). By far, for typical internal cumbustion engine use Mobile One was superior. All other name brand synthetics were very good. (As was Amsoil) However Amsoil was rated suspect due to the fact that their blends varied significantly in batch to batch. (Never failing any tests, but a real indication of lack of quality control over contract vendors). It was assumed this was the case due to them often using short term contracts with their blenders. (No, they do NOT make their own oils. <g>)
Combined with the fact Amsoil uses very suspect advertising methods, has more salesman than customers and makes false claims re: several fleet tests that we followed up on. (They NEVER occured.), we simply wouldn't recommend it. It is however, more than adequate oil for your street car.
Jim
SR Racing
We (SR Racing) did some oil testing (dyno) with a couple other labs. (Lubrication Sciences). By far, for typical internal cumbustion engine use Mobile One was superior. All other name brand synthetics were very good. (As was Amsoil) However Amsoil was rated suspect due to the fact that their blends varied significantly in batch to batch. (Never failing any tests, but a real indication of lack of quality control over contract vendors). It was assumed this was the case due to them often using short term contracts with their blenders. (No, they do NOT make their own oils. <g>)
Combined with the fact Amsoil uses very suspect advertising methods, has more salesman than customers and makes false claims re: several fleet tests that we followed up on. (They NEVER occured.), we simply wouldn't recommend it. It is however, more than adequate oil for your street car.
Jim
SR Racing
chadwoodworth
05-23-2004, 09:01 AM
Amsoil is not a "bad" oil, but it is hardly the best and it is very overpriced.
We (SR Racing) did some oil testing (dyno) with a couple other labs. (Lubrication Sciences). By far, for typical internal cumbustion engine use Mobile One was superior. All other name brand synthetics were very good. (As was Amsoil) However Amsoil was rated suspect due to the fact that their blends varied significantly in batch to batch. (Never failing any tests, but a real indication of lack of quality control over contract vendors). It was assumed this was the case due to them often using short term contracts with their blenders. (No, they do NOT make their own oils. <g>)
Combined with the fact Amsoil uses very suspect advertising methods, has more salesman than customers and makes false claims re: several fleet tests that we followed up on. (They NEVER occured.), we simply wouldn't recommend it. It is however, more than adequate oil for your street car.
Jim
SR Racing
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What Amsoil oil did you test? No mention of that.
If you're going to start flaming a company stick to the facts. If what you say is true. Prove it.
We (SR Racing) did some oil testing (dyno) with a couple other labs. (Lubrication Sciences). By far, for typical internal cumbustion engine use Mobile One was superior. All other name brand synthetics were very good. (As was Amsoil) However Amsoil was rated suspect due to the fact that their blends varied significantly in batch to batch. (Never failing any tests, but a real indication of lack of quality control over contract vendors). It was assumed this was the case due to them often using short term contracts with their blenders. (No, they do NOT make their own oils. <g>)
Combined with the fact Amsoil uses very suspect advertising methods, has more salesman than customers and makes false claims re: several fleet tests that we followed up on. (They NEVER occured.), we simply wouldn't recommend it. It is however, more than adequate oil for your street car.
Jim
SR Racing
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What Amsoil oil did you test? No mention of that.
If you're going to start flaming a company stick to the facts. If what you say is true. Prove it.
joebowlr21
05-28-2004, 08:54 PM
Amsoil is not a "bad" oil, but it is hardly the best and it is very overpriced.
We (SR Racing) did some oil testing (dyno) with a couple other labs. (Lubrication Sciences). By far, for typical internal cumbustion engine use Mobile One was superior. All other name brand synthetics were very good. (As was Amsoil) However Amsoil was rated suspect due to the fact that their blends varied significantly in batch to batch. (Never failing any tests, but a real indication of lack of quality control over contract vendors). It was assumed this was the case due to them often using short term contracts with their blenders. (No, they do NOT make their own oils. <g>)
Combined with the fact Amsoil uses very suspect advertising methods, has more salesman than customers and makes false claims re: several fleet tests that we followed up on. (They NEVER occured.), we simply wouldn't recommend it. It is however, more than adequate oil for your street car.
Jim
SR Racing
I would like to see these reports...please post or i call BS!
It's funny you say Mobil is superior, but in all test done by many labs, mobil was the worst synthetic oil with the most "scaring" on engine parts.Many companies tested it and they all say they would rather run Havoline Synthetic, which tested very high and is a very good oil, then Mobil anyday.
And your reports better not sound like that stupid Mobil commercial with the benz.....laboratory test my ass, how can you test and grade your own oil?Just ridiculous.
Also, Amsoil also states by testing that their gear box lube(75-140w) increases gas mileage by 4.75% or something very close to tha tnumber on the bottle.
We (SR Racing) did some oil testing (dyno) with a couple other labs. (Lubrication Sciences). By far, for typical internal cumbustion engine use Mobile One was superior. All other name brand synthetics were very good. (As was Amsoil) However Amsoil was rated suspect due to the fact that their blends varied significantly in batch to batch. (Never failing any tests, but a real indication of lack of quality control over contract vendors). It was assumed this was the case due to them often using short term contracts with their blenders. (No, they do NOT make their own oils. <g>)
Combined with the fact Amsoil uses very suspect advertising methods, has more salesman than customers and makes false claims re: several fleet tests that we followed up on. (They NEVER occured.), we simply wouldn't recommend it. It is however, more than adequate oil for your street car.
Jim
SR Racing
I would like to see these reports...please post or i call BS!
It's funny you say Mobil is superior, but in all test done by many labs, mobil was the worst synthetic oil with the most "scaring" on engine parts.Many companies tested it and they all say they would rather run Havoline Synthetic, which tested very high and is a very good oil, then Mobil anyday.
And your reports better not sound like that stupid Mobil commercial with the benz.....laboratory test my ass, how can you test and grade your own oil?Just ridiculous.
Also, Amsoil also states by testing that their gear box lube(75-140w) increases gas mileage by 4.75% or something very close to tha tnumber on the bottle.
sracing
06-22-2004, 01:21 AM
>I would like to see these reports...please post or i call BS!<
Call it anything you choose. We do testing for $. We would be happy to test whatever you like for money. (BTW, The tests that we were doing were NOT done for Mobil 1. ) Nor were they done for any competitor of Amsoil.
>It's funny you say Mobil is superior, but in all test done by many labs, mobil was the worst synthetic oil with the most "scaring" on engine parts.<
And, I would like to see these reports. Please post or I call BS! :evillol:
>Many companies tested it and they all say they would rather run Havoline Synthetic, which tested very high and is a very good oil, then Mobil anyday.<
And you of course have these reports also?
>And your reports better not sound like that stupid Mobil commercial with the benz.....laboratory test my ass, how can you test and grade your own oil?<
"better not sound..." Is this a threat? :nono:
>Just ridiculous.<
No, what is ridiculous is Amsoil's flagrant use of customer testimonials with nothing to verify them. And non existant fleet tests. (Diluth MN, Police tests, and more.) (Call them. Do some simple verification. You don't need $500K of dyno (etc) equipment to find out some of AMSOIL'S bogus claims.
And.. remember, I never said, nor did our tests indicate Amosoil was bad oil. It is just very expensive, has more sellers than customers (ala Amway), and provides nothing over other synths.
>Also, Amsoil also states by testing that their gear box lube(75-140w) increases gas mileage by 4.75% or something very close to tha tnumber on the bottle.<
Aha! Another bougus claim. Feel free to drop by our place any time, with your choice of cars (engines etc.) We would be happy to show you that AMsoil will not only NOT provide 4.75% over any other synthetic, it won't even provide it over the cheapest dinosaur base oil. Engine or chassis dyno, testing for raw fuel consumption. HP, BSFC. or heat dissapation, or most any other test you want. It (Amsoil) will do fine, but it won't do any better (if as good) as any other synthetic.
Anyone who makes a general claim of percentages this high with ANY oil is lying, since the range of frictional losses in the internal combustion engine aren't close to that high.
BTW, F1 (and CART previously) spent more money testing and validating engine oils than most anyone. Most CART teams use Mobile 1 right out of the bottle. (I have been there. Several F1 teams do also.)
I am aware of none using AMSOIL. (BTW, there is no Race Santioning body requirement that they use a sponsor's oil. They simply use the best. (I am aware of a couple NASCAR teams that even use Valvoline. Again, none that use AMSOIL.) Many other race teams use RedLine, Royal Purple and some specialty blends.
A final note... Regarding unbiased testing. I noticed that AMSOIL has just started posting another test on their web site. A test that THEY are controlling on 4? Busses! Please look it over. It is totally bogus, with no controls, no blinds or valid statistics. However, like the old "Diluth Fleet tests" they will tout some miraculous findings.
But, feel free to continue to use (and sell ? ) Amsoil. It won't hurt a thing, other than your wallet.
Jim
SR Racing
Call it anything you choose. We do testing for $. We would be happy to test whatever you like for money. (BTW, The tests that we were doing were NOT done for Mobil 1. ) Nor were they done for any competitor of Amsoil.
>It's funny you say Mobil is superior, but in all test done by many labs, mobil was the worst synthetic oil with the most "scaring" on engine parts.<
And, I would like to see these reports. Please post or I call BS! :evillol:
>Many companies tested it and they all say they would rather run Havoline Synthetic, which tested very high and is a very good oil, then Mobil anyday.<
And you of course have these reports also?
>And your reports better not sound like that stupid Mobil commercial with the benz.....laboratory test my ass, how can you test and grade your own oil?<
"better not sound..." Is this a threat? :nono:
>Just ridiculous.<
No, what is ridiculous is Amsoil's flagrant use of customer testimonials with nothing to verify them. And non existant fleet tests. (Diluth MN, Police tests, and more.) (Call them. Do some simple verification. You don't need $500K of dyno (etc) equipment to find out some of AMSOIL'S bogus claims.
And.. remember, I never said, nor did our tests indicate Amosoil was bad oil. It is just very expensive, has more sellers than customers (ala Amway), and provides nothing over other synths.
>Also, Amsoil also states by testing that their gear box lube(75-140w) increases gas mileage by 4.75% or something very close to tha tnumber on the bottle.<
Aha! Another bougus claim. Feel free to drop by our place any time, with your choice of cars (engines etc.) We would be happy to show you that AMsoil will not only NOT provide 4.75% over any other synthetic, it won't even provide it over the cheapest dinosaur base oil. Engine or chassis dyno, testing for raw fuel consumption. HP, BSFC. or heat dissapation, or most any other test you want. It (Amsoil) will do fine, but it won't do any better (if as good) as any other synthetic.
Anyone who makes a general claim of percentages this high with ANY oil is lying, since the range of frictional losses in the internal combustion engine aren't close to that high.
BTW, F1 (and CART previously) spent more money testing and validating engine oils than most anyone. Most CART teams use Mobile 1 right out of the bottle. (I have been there. Several F1 teams do also.)
I am aware of none using AMSOIL. (BTW, there is no Race Santioning body requirement that they use a sponsor's oil. They simply use the best. (I am aware of a couple NASCAR teams that even use Valvoline. Again, none that use AMSOIL.) Many other race teams use RedLine, Royal Purple and some specialty blends.
A final note... Regarding unbiased testing. I noticed that AMSOIL has just started posting another test on their web site. A test that THEY are controlling on 4? Busses! Please look it over. It is totally bogus, with no controls, no blinds or valid statistics. However, like the old "Diluth Fleet tests" they will tout some miraculous findings.
But, feel free to continue to use (and sell ? ) Amsoil. It won't hurt a thing, other than your wallet.
Jim
SR Racing
igor@af
12-02-2004, 04:01 PM
Jim, you know too much.
Does it hurt to be this much wiser than the vast majority of the people out there? :eek7:
I am thinking we could almost turn your posts into articles for www.automotivearticles.com .
Does it hurt to be this much wiser than the vast majority of the people out there? :eek7:
I am thinking we could almost turn your posts into articles for www.automotivearticles.com .
sracing
12-02-2004, 04:29 PM
Jim, you know too much.
Does it hurt to be this much wiser than the vast majority of the people out there? :eek7:
I am thinking we could almost turn your posts into articles for www.automotivearticles.com .
We all have our burden to carry. :grinyes:
I think I mentioned our exchange of legal letters with Amsoil? Anytime anyone sings the praises of Amsoil, I get passionate. :biggrin:
Thanks for the nice article BTW.
Jim
SR
Does it hurt to be this much wiser than the vast majority of the people out there? :eek7:
I am thinking we could almost turn your posts into articles for www.automotivearticles.com .
We all have our burden to carry. :grinyes:
I think I mentioned our exchange of legal letters with Amsoil? Anytime anyone sings the praises of Amsoil, I get passionate. :biggrin:
Thanks for the nice article BTW.
Jim
SR
BlitzKeg
12-08-2004, 10:43 AM
nice post jim,
An amsoil guy approched me and wanted me to sell some oil for him as a part time job.
He was driving a busted down smoking suburban from 1979 or something, anyways it was a rust bucket.
He looked like he was living out of it, anyways the point is I wouldn't trust that guy to piss on me if i was on fire, much less sell me some synthetic oil.
I think there is too much hype about synthetic oils, regular fossil oils work good and save you a load of cash.
The only time you really need synthetic oil is if you have a special application, other than that quit wasting money, its all in your head.
It's like the myth of higher octane gas will make a bone stock n/a civic go faster. The car is disigned for regular octane gasoline, if anything high octane is slowing the car down by igniting just after top dead center.
Anyways, good showing those guys the truth, its funny how they handled it.
BTW does SR racing have a website or anything, like that?
An amsoil guy approched me and wanted me to sell some oil for him as a part time job.
He was driving a busted down smoking suburban from 1979 or something, anyways it was a rust bucket.
He looked like he was living out of it, anyways the point is I wouldn't trust that guy to piss on me if i was on fire, much less sell me some synthetic oil.
I think there is too much hype about synthetic oils, regular fossil oils work good and save you a load of cash.
The only time you really need synthetic oil is if you have a special application, other than that quit wasting money, its all in your head.
It's like the myth of higher octane gas will make a bone stock n/a civic go faster. The car is disigned for regular octane gasoline, if anything high octane is slowing the car down by igniting just after top dead center.
Anyways, good showing those guys the truth, its funny how they handled it.
BTW does SR racing have a website or anything, like that?
sracing
12-08-2004, 11:34 AM
nice post jim, ....
....Anyways, good showing those guys the truth, its funny how they handled it.
BTW does SR racing have a website or anything, like that?
Thanks. It has always appeared to me that many Amsoil dealers have taken up Amsoil as almost a religion. They are as offended when you take Amsoil to task as if you were to attack their supreme being.
Interestingly enough I saw a claim here about Amsoil that referenced a company that did some "oil tests" touting Amsoil as the best. When I tracked down the company it turned out to be an Amsoil dealer. AND.. that web site was "Sponsored by Jesus Christ" It also had a forum asking posters to "list experiences of where prayers to God were answered". I guess if God sponsors (and assumably uses) Amsoil, who are we to argue? :grinyes:
Allthough God himself would laugh at Amsoil's flagrant use of the "4 Ball Test" as most telling info for the internal combustion engine. And.... it would take a miracle by God to improve mileage or hp 10% with an oil. Not to mention a 40 degree temp drop. Even God couldn't do that. But being religious folks, the laws of physics never hamper their belief in the supernatural.
As I said, it isn't "bad stuff", it just isn't any better and sometimes not as good as much cheaper stuff. I suppose though, that one could argue, it's better for the economy to buy Amsoil. Look at the chain of retailers it supports. :grinyes:
We have several (web sites), but www.sracing.com is one.
Jim
SR
....Anyways, good showing those guys the truth, its funny how they handled it.
BTW does SR racing have a website or anything, like that?
Thanks. It has always appeared to me that many Amsoil dealers have taken up Amsoil as almost a religion. They are as offended when you take Amsoil to task as if you were to attack their supreme being.
Interestingly enough I saw a claim here about Amsoil that referenced a company that did some "oil tests" touting Amsoil as the best. When I tracked down the company it turned out to be an Amsoil dealer. AND.. that web site was "Sponsored by Jesus Christ" It also had a forum asking posters to "list experiences of where prayers to God were answered". I guess if God sponsors (and assumably uses) Amsoil, who are we to argue? :grinyes:
Allthough God himself would laugh at Amsoil's flagrant use of the "4 Ball Test" as most telling info for the internal combustion engine. And.... it would take a miracle by God to improve mileage or hp 10% with an oil. Not to mention a 40 degree temp drop. Even God couldn't do that. But being religious folks, the laws of physics never hamper their belief in the supernatural.
As I said, it isn't "bad stuff", it just isn't any better and sometimes not as good as much cheaper stuff. I suppose though, that one could argue, it's better for the economy to buy Amsoil. Look at the chain of retailers it supports. :grinyes:
We have several (web sites), but www.sracing.com is one.
Jim
SR
BlitzKeg
12-20-2004, 11:45 AM
LMAO.......being sponsored by jesus gives you 10% increse in hp, and better fuel milage you know.
Stickin_It_2_Em
12-20-2004, 05:01 PM
B.S. B.S. B.S. B.S. B.S. B.S. B.S. B.S. Here is the proof that Amsoil is the best, and Mobil suck the cock! http://216.239.63.104/search?q=cache:d7GryfuDipcJ:www.bestsyntheticoil.c om/amsoil/+amsoil+test+results&hl=en
http://www.authorized-amsoil-dealer-for-synthetic-motor-oil.com/amsoil_articles/oil-comparison-on-the-dynometer/amsoil-outperforming-mobil-1-results.html
http://www.revsearch.com/dynamometer/dyno_test_results_1.html
http://www.go-synthetic.com/amsoil_testing/amsoil_testing.html
These are just a few sites that are out there. Just go to Google and type "amsoil test results" You can kiss my ass later! So Jim I showed you mine show me yours!
http://www.authorized-amsoil-dealer-for-synthetic-motor-oil.com/amsoil_articles/oil-comparison-on-the-dynometer/amsoil-outperforming-mobil-1-results.html
http://www.revsearch.com/dynamometer/dyno_test_results_1.html
http://www.go-synthetic.com/amsoil_testing/amsoil_testing.html
These are just a few sites that are out there. Just go to Google and type "amsoil test results" You can kiss my ass later! So Jim I showed you mine show me yours!
igor@af
12-20-2004, 05:36 PM
Do you not realize that all of these websites are Amsoil dealer sites?
Find an INDEPENDENT study done testing the different oils with such results. Jim was a part of one, and he told you what the results were.
This is utterly stupid.....
Find an INDEPENDENT study done testing the different oils with such results. Jim was a part of one, and he told you what the results were.
This is utterly stupid.....
sracing
12-20-2004, 05:42 PM
These are just a few sites that are out there. Just go to Google and type "amsoil test results" You can kiss my ass later! So Jim I showed you mine show me yours!
:disappoin
As usual, what is posted are some tests posted by Amsoil DEALERS!
I am not an Amsoil, or Mobile 1 or any other dealer. Lubrication Sciences are not dealers. It seems our tests vary. :lol2:
AND.. I suspect YOU are a dealer. Since there as as many dealers as there are users of Amsoil it's a sucker bet. :biggrin:
Why don't OUR engine dyno and chassis dyno tests show ANY benefits of AMSOIL? We race our engines on road courses all over the country. If there was 1 HP or 1 MPG to be gained don't you think we would use it? Don't you think other engine builders and teams would use it? NONE do. Why? To expensive? :lol:
As I said, Amsoil dealers are more of a religion than anything else. You pick on Amsoil and it's like picking on your religion.
BTW, a 4 Ball test is hardly the best test for an internal combustion engine oil test.
Here is an offer for you.....
We have dyno's here that you can test on.. Bring your stuff here and let's test it back to back. We won't charge you anything if you can show ANY performance, economy, or temperature benefits.
SO, I showed you mine, now you show me yours.... (and not the same old Amsoil dealer 4 ball test.) :evillol:
:disappoin
As usual, what is posted are some tests posted by Amsoil DEALERS!
I am not an Amsoil, or Mobile 1 or any other dealer. Lubrication Sciences are not dealers. It seems our tests vary. :lol2:
AND.. I suspect YOU are a dealer. Since there as as many dealers as there are users of Amsoil it's a sucker bet. :biggrin:
Why don't OUR engine dyno and chassis dyno tests show ANY benefits of AMSOIL? We race our engines on road courses all over the country. If there was 1 HP or 1 MPG to be gained don't you think we would use it? Don't you think other engine builders and teams would use it? NONE do. Why? To expensive? :lol:
As I said, Amsoil dealers are more of a religion than anything else. You pick on Amsoil and it's like picking on your religion.
BTW, a 4 Ball test is hardly the best test for an internal combustion engine oil test.
Here is an offer for you.....
We have dyno's here that you can test on.. Bring your stuff here and let's test it back to back. We won't charge you anything if you can show ANY performance, economy, or temperature benefits.
SO, I showed you mine, now you show me yours.... (and not the same old Amsoil dealer 4 ball test.) :evillol:
Stickin_It_2_Em
12-21-2004, 10:38 PM
Where's your shop?
sracing
12-22-2004, 09:18 AM
Where's your shop?
Lexington KY.
Jim
SR Racing
Lexington KY.
Jim
SR Racing
Stickin_It_2_Em
12-22-2004, 05:48 PM
Maybe this July when I can travel from Tucson, AZ. Till then take care. P.S. Whos buying the oil?
sracing
12-23-2004, 08:52 AM
Maybe this July when I can travel from Tucson, AZ. Till then take care. P.S. Whos buying the oil?
Since you are an amsoil dealer, you supply the Amsoil.
BTW, you didn't mention your opinion on why no IRL, CART, Formula One or NASCAR teams use Amsoil if it is better than other oils? IRL, CART and most NASCAR teams use Mobile One right out of the bottle. I am not sure about Formula One but I bet they don't use Amsoil. (a hint... It has nothing to do with sponsorship, since there is no requirement in those venues to use the products that sponsor you.)
Jim
SR Racing
Since you are an amsoil dealer, you supply the Amsoil.
BTW, you didn't mention your opinion on why no IRL, CART, Formula One or NASCAR teams use Amsoil if it is better than other oils? IRL, CART and most NASCAR teams use Mobile One right out of the bottle. I am not sure about Formula One but I bet they don't use Amsoil. (a hint... It has nothing to do with sponsorship, since there is no requirement in those venues to use the products that sponsor you.)
Jim
SR Racing
Stickin_It_2_Em
12-23-2004, 05:31 PM
First off... Im not a dealer. I buy it from my local NAPA. Second off many dragster's use Amsiol, as well as Trophy Trucks in the Baja 1000, A few WRC Rally Cars, Dakar, And I know there are a few Nascar teams that are supplied w/ Amsoil. And why is it that for all the years running that Amsoil has NEVER payed out to someone who's engine was destroyed due to motor oil? I am just an average Joe that races his car on the weekends at SOLO II events, and drive's Buggy's at the Dunes over Thanksgiving, and Christmas. I use what I know what works. If Mobil is soooooo great, why donesnt anyone have any test's posted online that their oil beats Amsoil? Seems like that would be a good marketing tool wouldn't it? Oh yeah I believe Amsiol does sponsor AMA Motorcross events. I know I always see their truck in the pits, and their posters on the hay bails around each corner. Hmmmmmmmm.
sracing
12-24-2004, 09:31 AM
First off... Im not a dealer. I buy it from my local NAPA. Second off many dragster's use Amsiol, as well as Trophy Trucks in the Baja 1000, A few WRC Rally Cars, Dakar, And I know there are a few Nascar teams that are supplied w/ Amsoil. .
Why not become a dealer? You get it cheaper and it's simple to do.
We are in the business. (racing) We have supported many amateur and pro teams and cars over the years. I have NEVER seen a pro venue car use Amsoil. Sure, I am sure there are a few teams that receive Amsoil products. (and or monies) This might get them a Amsoil decal on the car. There is NO requirement by any venue that a team use the products that they are given. But, I am sure there is a team or two around that use it. It won't hurt anything, especially if you get it for free. <g>
And why is it that for all the years running that Amsoil has NEVER payed out to someone who's engine was destroyed due to motor oil?.
<GGGG> Simply because NO engine has been destroyed by any rated motor oil when used correctly. And it would be hard to prove otherwise.
We build/rebuild race engines and most all can fail due to oiling issues. It would be impossible to prove that the oil caused the problem. Low oil level, debris, over temps, etc. can all cause an engine to blow and the symptoms are identical. Only a test of the oil composition BEFORE usage could prove that the oil caused the problem. And Amsoil would pass these tests, just like ANY rated motor oil would.
I am just an average Joe that races his car on the weekends at SOLO II events, and drive's Buggy's at the Dunes over Thanksgiving, and Christmas. I use what I know what works..
That is one of my points.. YOU are just an average Joe. F1, NASCAR, IRL, CART, etc teams have millions of dollars invested in equipment to test their engines down to the last .1mpg, .1 HP, etc. The are not average Joes and know EXACTLY what works. We are not average JOes here either. We have tested many off the shelf brands for performance in everything from a/c small blocks to 1000hp, gas, nitros, and blown engines. AMSOIL is ok, but no better that ANY synthetic. And's it compounds vary too much from batch to batch to rate it as a very high quality lubricant.
If Mobil is soooooo great, why donesnt anyone have any test's posted online that their oil beats Amsoil?.
<GGGGGGGG> This is where it gets difficult for the layman to understand. The oil designed for an internal combustion engine can not be simply evaluated by a test (like the silly 4 ball Amsoil tests). The oil must do several things and many of those things are in conflict with each other. It must be heat conductive, carry heat well, lubricate in multiple ways, be load bearing, stay together in high temps, work well in low temps and adjust it's apparent weight with temperature and provide some protection for a while when a lube failure does occur. It must have sequestering agents, detergents, filter well and more. There are dozens of tests that are indicative of how "good" an oil is. And being the best in a single test or even multiples mean nothing. (Especially the 4 ball test)
(A test used often by the aftermarket sellers of bogus additives.)
An example of the above before the rules were changed... For great HP and mileage we used to use a oil that was not unlike kerosene for NASCAR qualifying. Then the cam was replaced after the 3 laps. Since it was toast. So if you want great HP and mileage, just use kerosene.
If you just want to keep the engine clean use lots of detergents and sequestering agents. If you want great load bearing capability use gear oil. If you want to cool great use water. If you want lube failure security use more zinc.
The point IS that oil in an internal combustion engine oil is a major compromise and all things have to be considered.
Seems like that would be a good marketing tool wouldn't it?
Yes. Just like most all of Amsoils "testimonials", "fleet tests", and independent lab tests" ALL garbage. Madison Ave is very aware of the allowed use of the above in any capacity while being legal.
We are often called upon to do an "independent lab" test for a particular product. If the company likes our tests and uses the results, they like us and use us again. If they don't like the test results they just use someone else. We just recently did some tests for a mass air flow sensor manufacture/seller. (dyno and flow bench).
>Oh yeah I believe Amsiol does sponsor AMA Motorcross events.<
Amsoil can sponsor anything they want. We sponsor races and solo events all the time. That doesn't mean that anyone has to use our products or services.
BTW, GM and BMW currently DOES recommend Mobile One for use in some of their cars. While that is somewhat telling, it COULD simply be a marketing ploy. I doubt you will see AMSOIL listed as recommended in any case. <g>
Think about it.. If AMSOIL provided ANY gains in mileage, performance, economy, or longevity the major manufacturers would rush to use them. They are forced by law to look for every advantage in MPG, pollution, exhaust system (cat) longevity etc. All they would have to do is specify AMsoil and they could meet the requirements for 2010 based upon AMsoil testimonials. But, they don't!
Get your undies out of knots... Amsoil is not bad stuff. It is simply overpriced and no better than other synthetics.
Jim
SR Racing
Why not become a dealer? You get it cheaper and it's simple to do.
We are in the business. (racing) We have supported many amateur and pro teams and cars over the years. I have NEVER seen a pro venue car use Amsoil. Sure, I am sure there are a few teams that receive Amsoil products. (and or monies) This might get them a Amsoil decal on the car. There is NO requirement by any venue that a team use the products that they are given. But, I am sure there is a team or two around that use it. It won't hurt anything, especially if you get it for free. <g>
And why is it that for all the years running that Amsoil has NEVER payed out to someone who's engine was destroyed due to motor oil?.
<GGGG> Simply because NO engine has been destroyed by any rated motor oil when used correctly. And it would be hard to prove otherwise.
We build/rebuild race engines and most all can fail due to oiling issues. It would be impossible to prove that the oil caused the problem. Low oil level, debris, over temps, etc. can all cause an engine to blow and the symptoms are identical. Only a test of the oil composition BEFORE usage could prove that the oil caused the problem. And Amsoil would pass these tests, just like ANY rated motor oil would.
I am just an average Joe that races his car on the weekends at SOLO II events, and drive's Buggy's at the Dunes over Thanksgiving, and Christmas. I use what I know what works..
That is one of my points.. YOU are just an average Joe. F1, NASCAR, IRL, CART, etc teams have millions of dollars invested in equipment to test their engines down to the last .1mpg, .1 HP, etc. The are not average Joes and know EXACTLY what works. We are not average JOes here either. We have tested many off the shelf brands for performance in everything from a/c small blocks to 1000hp, gas, nitros, and blown engines. AMSOIL is ok, but no better that ANY synthetic. And's it compounds vary too much from batch to batch to rate it as a very high quality lubricant.
If Mobil is soooooo great, why donesnt anyone have any test's posted online that their oil beats Amsoil?.
<GGGGGGGG> This is where it gets difficult for the layman to understand. The oil designed for an internal combustion engine can not be simply evaluated by a test (like the silly 4 ball Amsoil tests). The oil must do several things and many of those things are in conflict with each other. It must be heat conductive, carry heat well, lubricate in multiple ways, be load bearing, stay together in high temps, work well in low temps and adjust it's apparent weight with temperature and provide some protection for a while when a lube failure does occur. It must have sequestering agents, detergents, filter well and more. There are dozens of tests that are indicative of how "good" an oil is. And being the best in a single test or even multiples mean nothing. (Especially the 4 ball test)
(A test used often by the aftermarket sellers of bogus additives.)
An example of the above before the rules were changed... For great HP and mileage we used to use a oil that was not unlike kerosene for NASCAR qualifying. Then the cam was replaced after the 3 laps. Since it was toast. So if you want great HP and mileage, just use kerosene.
If you just want to keep the engine clean use lots of detergents and sequestering agents. If you want great load bearing capability use gear oil. If you want to cool great use water. If you want lube failure security use more zinc.
The point IS that oil in an internal combustion engine oil is a major compromise and all things have to be considered.
Seems like that would be a good marketing tool wouldn't it?
Yes. Just like most all of Amsoils "testimonials", "fleet tests", and independent lab tests" ALL garbage. Madison Ave is very aware of the allowed use of the above in any capacity while being legal.
We are often called upon to do an "independent lab" test for a particular product. If the company likes our tests and uses the results, they like us and use us again. If they don't like the test results they just use someone else. We just recently did some tests for a mass air flow sensor manufacture/seller. (dyno and flow bench).
>Oh yeah I believe Amsiol does sponsor AMA Motorcross events.<
Amsoil can sponsor anything they want. We sponsor races and solo events all the time. That doesn't mean that anyone has to use our products or services.
BTW, GM and BMW currently DOES recommend Mobile One for use in some of their cars. While that is somewhat telling, it COULD simply be a marketing ploy. I doubt you will see AMSOIL listed as recommended in any case. <g>
Think about it.. If AMSOIL provided ANY gains in mileage, performance, economy, or longevity the major manufacturers would rush to use them. They are forced by law to look for every advantage in MPG, pollution, exhaust system (cat) longevity etc. All they would have to do is specify AMsoil and they could meet the requirements for 2010 based upon AMsoil testimonials. But, they don't!
Get your undies out of knots... Amsoil is not bad stuff. It is simply overpriced and no better than other synthetics.
Jim
SR Racing
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