5sfe 3sge/gte ???

i was wondering... ive been doing alot of reasearch on the 3sge/gte and the 5sfe

ive found out that both blocks are cast iron and i was wondering if anyone knew of anything else that seperates the two besides the obvious 2.2 and 2.0lt engines. also what are the heads on the 3sge/gte.. i know on the 5sfe there alum.

ive found out that both blocks are cast iron and i was wondering if .

haha answered your own question there iorn... heavyer but can handle more

yeah i kinda did but i was also asking if anyone new the diffrences because it seems to me that the blocks are the same... with the exception that the 5sfe is a 2.2, the bore is diffrent heads are diffrent not to mention the compression ratio.... so why do a 3sgte swap???

3S-GTE
Bore x stroke: 3.39 x 3.39
Compression: 8.8:1

5sfe
Bore x stroke: 3.43 x 3.58
Compression: 9.5:1

3sgte has 225Hp (3rd geen) 255 if u can get a jap one....
a 5sfe has 140...

yeah i know the specs.... i think if i got the bore mesurements i know the specs.....

how am i supposed to know u knew them if u didnt specify... so whats ur ? neway

hmm 2nd gen has 225 j-spec and 245 3rd gen the one w/ 255hp doesnt come in celicas or mr2's their in caldinas

5s-fe's and 3sgte's are both an iron block, aluminum head. the 5sfe has lighter internals for good city driving response and better gas mileage, not to mention the FE head which is specifically designed for low end torque. The advantages for the 3sgte are that it has a lower compression ratio for turbocharging. The cylinder walls on the 3sgte are also thicker and the internals are all beefier to handle the extra power from the turbo. If you want a fast car, screw the 5sfe. Get a 3sgte. it's a LOT better for racing.

The 3S-GE and the 3S-GTE have both an irion block and alum. head.. The 5S-FE has both alum. block and head.. And from what I know the only difference between the 3S-GE and the 3S-GTE is the turbo, intercooler, bore/stroke, and computer, as well as other odds and ends crap..

hmm 2nd gen has 225 j-spec and 245 3rd gen the one w/ 255hp doesnt come in celicas or mr2's their in caldinas

actually the 2nd gen only has 200Hp but ur close enough... heres the specs if u want the REAL ACCURATE #'s
ill try n post up the jap Jspec ones but a 2nd gen j spec has 225

1990-93 (Celica All-Trac)
(2nd gen)3S-GTE
2.0 (121.9), I-4, DOHC
EFI, turbo
200 @ 6000
200 @ 3200
3.39 x 3.39
8.8:1

1993-99 (Celica All-Trac)
(3rd gen)3S-GTE
2.0 (121.9), I-4, DOHC
EFI, turbo
255 @ 6000
245 @ 3200
3.39 x 3.39
8.7:1




1988-89 (Celica All-Trac)
(1st gen)3S-GTE
2.0 (121.9), I-4, DOHC
EFI, turbo
190 @ 6000
190 @ 3200
3.39 x 3.39
8.5:1

well from what ive found out the 5sfe has alum heads and a cast iron block......


Head aluminum alloy
Block cast iron, closed deck
5sfe specs (http://celica.henryvo.com/5S-FEspecs.html)

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/stepho/engcodes.htm

the 5SFE wasnt produced with power potential in mind, its an economical engine. When It comes to power, and Toyota, never think of a single engine other than the 3S-GTE and the 2JZ

actually the 2nd gen only has 200Hp but ur close enough... heres the specs if u want the REAL ACCURATE #'s
ill try n post up the jap Jspec ones but a 2nd gen j spec has 225

yeah... thats why i put "2nd gen has 225 j-spec" last time i checked.. a 2nd gen j spec was the same thing as a second gen j spec ... :screwy:

and america's 3sgte never had over 200hp so obviously there shouldnt be any confusion

well with the 200 hp you have to consider that its turbocharged. take the turbo off and it may be like what 100 -160?

If you take off the turbo then all you have is a 3S-GE with lower compression.. the stock for the 3S-GE is only 135 HP, so my ballpark range would be 110 - 130 HP without the turbo:2cents:

actually you put

hmm 2nd gen has 225 j-spec and 245 3rd gen the one w/ 255hp
you said second gen has 225 and j spec second gen has 245 then you said 3rd gen has 255...

oh well who cares we all know what the #'s are

the main difference in the 5sfe and the 3sge or gte is the head. the valve angles are totally different... i forget the numbers but the fe head was built for longlasting and economical purposes and the the ge head was built more for performance.... you can look at the third generation 3sge engines which put out i beleive about 150 or 160 stock w/out turbo. when the 5sfe in the 6 generation celicas are putting out 140 on more displacement...its just a design of the head..and why toyota would put a crap head in a sports car...i dont know but they did and we all must live with it. and when you say one car has 200 becuz of the turbo keep in mind that is on an engine built what 14 yeas ago..... did you look at the burien turbo kit for the 5sfe? for 2500 you dont even get 200 hp at the crank...pretty sad eh? its all about the heads valve angles and then compression which i am still figuring out

The Celica ended up being the Sports/Economy car, hence the lower HP and great gas millage.. The Sports car was the Supra with the insane power and terrible fuel economy.. Thats why the 5sfe was the way it was, they had to limit the power output hence the goofy head w/ the ability to put on a turbo at the same time.. It all balances out..

gas milage is alright i guess maybe like 23 or 24 to a gallon. nothing to really brag about but i get your drift dude i personally am just a little dissapointed

haha i decided to stick with my 45afe and go crazy with it...my goal is to have the fastest 4afe ever built??? sound good to neone?

could neone post up places with parts for 4afe ive foudn a few but need a lot more... any suggestions on what i should do with it is also appreciated....

BTW mines a JDM 4afe not USDM

man did that make this whole thread pointless?? haha thats funny...

lol :)

Yeh the 5SFE was made for economy you can turbo it but its best to work on the head first change the valves port polish stroger pistons new cam gears can do this all for about $2500. I personaly like the 5SFE but hear all the spec's that i can find you make you make up you're mind.


The 5SFE is a 2.2L with a bigger bore and stroke (87mm x 91mm).
This motor was introduced in the Celica and MR2 in 1990 and the
Camry in 1992. It was still being used in the Camry in 1997. The
5SFE added a pair of balance shafts in the oil pan driven off of
the crankshaft in 1992.

Type: Inline 4, Cast Iron Block, Aluminum Head
Cylinder Numbers (From Front): 1-2-3-4
Firing Order: 1-3-4-2
Spark Plug Gap: 0.043 inches (1.1 mm)
Valvetrain DOHC, 16 valves, 4 vales per cylinder
Valve Angle: 22.3 Degrees
Idle 650-750 RPM
Displacement 2.2 Liter (2164 cc)
Bore 3.42 inches (87.1 mm)
Stroke 3.58 inches (90.9 mm)
Compression Ratio 9.5 : 1
Redline 6300 RPM
Horsepower 135 @ 5400 RPM
Torque 145 @ 4400 RPM

The 3SFE
For 1987, the Camry and Celica base motor was changed to a square bore 86mm x 86mm and a "twin cam" head. It was still 2.0L, but the designation was now 3SFE. Stiffening ribs were added to the block in ’89. The ribs may interfere with the larger older style oil filter.

The 3SGE
The Celica GTS from ’86-’89 used a 3SGE motor. Still an "S"-series, it has the same bore and stroke as the 3SFE. The big difference is in the head, hence the "G" instead of the "F". The "G" is a true DOHC with both cams being externally driven, and the valves splayed outwards at a wider angle giving more of a pent-roof design to the combustion chamber. In the lower end, 3SGEs used a steel crankshaft and bushed rods along with different pistons

The 3SGTE
There is also a 3SGTE used in the All-Trac turbo Celica (’88-’93) and MR2 turbo (’91-’95). The "T" stands for, you guessed it, turbocharged. There are some differences in the block, head, and some of the internal parts that are specific to the turbo motor.

3S-F DOHC 4/22.3 87- 1998 ? ? 86 86
3S-FE DOHC 4/22.3 86- 1998 115@5200 124@4400 3.39 3.39 9.3:1
3S-FE DOHC 4/22.3 90 1998 119@5600 130@4400 86 86 9.8:1
3S-FE DOHC 4/22.3 95-98 1998 140@6000 138@4400 86 86
3S-FE DOHC 4/22.3 98- 1998 135@6000 134@4400 86 86 JP Vista, VVT-i
3S-FSE DOHC 4/22.3 98- 1998 145@6000 145@4400 86 86 "D-4" direct injection!!!, VVT-i
3S-GE DOHC 4/50 85-89 1998 135@6000 125@4800 3.39 3.39 9.2:1 (USA/Canada, cat)
3S-GELU DOHC 4/50 86 1998* 160@6000 137@4800 3.39 3.39 9.2:1
3S-GE DOHC 4/50 86- 1998 150@6400 133@4800 86 86 (Finland)
3S-GE DOHC 4/50 90- 1998 156@6600 137@4800 86 86 10:1 (UK/Finland, no cat)
3S-GE DOHC 4/50 94 1998 175@7000 137@4800 86 86 (Finland)
3S-GE DOHC 4/50 95-98 1998 180@7000 142@4800 86 86
3S-GE DOHC+VVT-i ? 98- 1998 190@7000 152@6000 86 86
3S-GE DOHC+VVT-i ? 98- 1998 200@7000 152@6000 86 86 ? (JP Celica)
3S-GE DOHC+DualVVT-i ? 99 1998 200@7000 159@4800 86 86 11.5:1 JP Altezza (Auto5spd)
3S-GE DOHC+DualVVT-i ? 99 1998 210@7600 159@6400 86 86 11.5:1 JP Altezza (6spd)
3S-GTE DOHC 4/50 86? 1998 185@6000 177@4000 3.39 3.39 8.5:1 P
3S-GTE DOHC 4/50 86-89 1998 190@6000 190@3200 3.39 3.39 8.5:1 (HKS: 6.5psi/0.46bar)
3S-GTE DOHC 4/50 90- 1998 200@6000 200@3200 3.39 3.39 8.1:1 max 11.0psi/0.75 bar
3S-GTE DOHC 4/50 90-93 1998 225@6000 225@3200 86 86 Japan
3S-GTE DOHC 4/50 94 1998 242(dyno:268)@6000 223@4000 86 86 8.5:1 13psi/0.9bar
3S-GTE DOHC 4/50 94-98 1998 245@6000 225@4000 86 86 (MR2 Japan)
3S-GTE DOHC 4/50 95-98 1998 255@6000 225@4000 86 86 (Celica GT-4 Japan)
3S-GTE DOHC 4/50 98 1998 260@6000 239@4400 86 86 (Caldina GT-T Japan)

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