Could a stock 04 WRX STi beat these cars?

Could a stock 04 sti beat a Pontiac GTO, Camaro SS, Corvette (except z06), mustang mach 1 and cobra, trans am and a mitsubishi 3000GT

yes it could :smokin: 04 Sti is vrey light car
last year I saw a race between 2002 STi VS mustang cobra 2001 , the cobra was no match for the 265hp ... and the new Sti is 300hp :evillol:

Depends on the year of gto, close race between an SS and corvette, my 02 beats mach 1's, will dominate trans-ams and 3000gt's.

What's the new STI run the quarter in? Ws6's and vr4s run it in 13.6. I think the STI is faster...I am just wondering by how much?

yes it could :smokin: 04 Sti is vrey light car
last year I saw a race between 2002 STi VS mustang cobra 2001 , the cobra was no match for the 265hp ... and the new Sti is 300hp :evillol:


Where did you see this race at? Unless the car was imported, or you were in a different country,you didn't see an American 2002 STi. No such car.

the US STi's will run 13.1 stock
darn nice too bad I ran out a bought a WRX when thay first came out

Actually there have been people getting 12.9's and 12.8's in stock STi's. Should be a pretty good match with a Vette or a Cobra.

Where did you see this race at? Unless the car was imported, or you were in a different country,you didn't see an American 2002 STi. No such car.


Check the dude's profile.. he's in Qatar..I wondered the same thing Everybody gets the cool subarus before the US


OTOH, its not to hard to get older STi motors and such to make a US "STi"

I have a friend with a late 90's STi front cut sitting in his garage just waiting to be used

As to the original question, it was asked if an STi will 'beat' any of the other cars listed up there. That depends very much on what sort of race it is.. an STi will smoke any of those cars if used for its intended purpose. It is not a ricer street racer, it is not a muscle car, it is not a quarter mile car. Subaru has never produced cars for that. What they do produce cars for is rally and rallyX.. Used by a skilled driver for its intended use, a turbocharged subaru will be very competetive.

The STi will beat all those cars on paper. But the problems come in who is driving. When the nubers are that close it is all about the driver of the car.

I have seen a fully stock 03 WRX beat a 04 STi. All due to driver experiance and familiarity with the car.

The STi will beat all those cars on paper. But the problems come in who is driving. When the nubers are that close it is all about the driver of the car.

I have seen a fully stock 03 WRX beat a 04 STi. All due to driver experiance and familiarity with the car.

I don't know about the STI beating all those cars, I think you were a bit rash there. Yes the STI's are fast and run low 13's stock standard but
given the same driver with the same amount of skills in each car
then so do the camaro SS's, corvettes, some mitsubishi 3000's, and pontiac GTO. All the other cars would be easy to beat with an STI though.

If we're talking about the quarter, the AWD and 300hp + 300ft-lbs is going to be really close with the affordable American muscle, as others have pointed out.
If, on the other hand, we're talking about an autocross or rally, the STi has an advantage.
If, on the other other hand, we're talking about an Autobahn/interstate drag or anything long and straight (drag racing on airfields, etc.), the muscle cars get to flex and roar. The V-8's curve catches up with the turbo four after awhile.
Hence no imports in NASCAR (though Toyota is breaking into trucks), as they are long and relatively straight power races. And no muscle cars in rally races, either. As Calebz has already stated, it depends on the race.

Depends on the year of gto, close race between an SS and corvette, my 02 beats mach 1's, will dominate trans-ams and 3000gt's.

doesnt matter wat year GTO. it will beat any year espcecailly the old ones. the STi will have the most trouble wit the Cobra. it should be able to handle the rest of the cars listed.

Um no...... a 65 gto with a 455 (was an option) and some radials will easily beat an 04 STi. Hell my gf's dad's 68 gto with a tired 400 sb runs 13.7's with radials all day.

Where did you see this race at? Unless the car was imported, or you were in a different country,you didn't see an American 2002 STi. No such car.

Maybe you should check where people are from before you challenging things they say.
Initial_D didn't say a US spec STI, he just said it was an STI, since he lives in the UAE it's very possible he did see an '02 STI run against a Mustang.

Um no...... a 65 gto with a 455 (was an option) and some radials will easily beat an 04 STi. Hell my gf's dad's 68 gto with a tired 400 sb runs 13.7's with radials all day.

u say the 65 GTo will beat an STi but u havent provided wat 1/4 time it runs....

65 GTO with a 455 and radials runs 12.5 - 12.8

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=193721&goto=newpost
daveshapellSVT said the the newer GTO ran a better time. and radials its an aftermarket part. total stock vs total stock the Sti wins. radials did not come stock on the car.

O boo hoo. Fact is, GTO is faster. Newer GTO is just going to be junk anyways. Stock for stock, even without the radials the GTO would be faster, radials just enhance traction. If the stock tires had ideal traction, it would win with ease. Oh and with that link, the 325 hp that came out of it WAS NOT, i repeat, WAS NOT the 455. Funny that an absolutely stock 400 sb with over 100,000 miles on it pushes 13.6's, thats a decent jump from 14 flats. Oh and another thing, the GTO is 65 with the smaller engine package was a 389 with 360 hp and that was used in most of the convertables lol.

alright let's just talk cars here. the 65 GTO is a legend, awesome car. the STI is a sweet car and i'm sure will become a legendary car as well. these cars are completely different cars despite what they run in the quarter.

they are both impressive cars, but in different ways. the STI is a rally car, and with AWD will knock the GTO's socks off, off the line. the GTO is a great american muscle car. equally impressive, and probably a little more majestic, is the smoke from the burnt rubber and the roar of the engine as it catches up and probably, depending on the driver, passes an STI.

i think if these two cars raced it would definately be a fun one, and both drivers in the end would have to give respect to each other's car. just my opinion. i hate one sided discussions from people who have no respect for another car just because it has a different emblem, it's not made in a certain country, or it doesn't have enough cylinders. but i do have to agree, the new GTO's don't do the classic justice even with the engine they put in it. looks like a family sedan with muscle car engine and gears.

the STI would prolly get crushed by a VR4

1/4 mile 13.5 @ 101.6 = vr4

alright let's just talk cars here. the 65 GTO is a legend, awesome car. the STI is a sweet car and i'm sure will become a legendary car as well. these cars are completely different cars despite what they run in the quarter.

they are both impressive cars, but in different ways. the STI is a rally car, and with AWD will knock the GTO's socks off, off the line. the GTO is a great american muscle car. equally impressive, and probably a little more majestic, is the smoke from the burnt rubber and the roar of the engine as it catches up and probably, depending on the driver, passes an STI.

i think if these two cars raced it would definately be a fun one, and both drivers in the end would have to give respect to each other's car. just my opinion. i hate one sided discussions from people who have no respect for another car just because it has a different emblem, it's not made in a certain country, or it doesn't have enough cylinders. but i do have to agree, the new GTO's don't do the classic justice even with the engine they put in it. looks like a family sedan with muscle car engine and gears.


the new GTO looks like a big cavilar to me

the "new" GTO is a 4 year old austrailan car. It's old technology. They say that this is what the GTO would look like if production never stoped on it, but they lost the scoop which would make it look better.

the "new" GTO is a 4 year old austrailan car. It's old technology. They say that this is what the GTO would look like if production never stoped on it, but they lost the scoop which would make it look better.
it just depends on the on the driver where quick times on the drag strip is to be established,get two cars with the same spec and put a wac driver in one and a good driver in the other who will win?i in the uk their is a special sti version that has just been released with 350 hp its basicly the same car as the one that won the world rally championship

in the uk their is a special sti version that has just been released with 350 hp its basicly the same car as the one that won the world rally championship

No it's not, for one, the WRC car doesn't pull that much power....

The car you're referring to is the WR1 edition, which while it is an upgrade from the WRX and STI versions, it certainly isn't anywhere near the rally cars produced at Banbury. It's simply a special edition with some upgrades on the UK STI.

Something which you don't realise is, in reading the full spec, the WR1 is closer to the same spec as a the US STI.


http://www.subaru.co.uk/impreza_wrx_sti_wr1/impreza_wrx_sti_wr1_frameset.htm

No it's not, for one, the WRC car doesn't pull that much power....

The car you're referring to is the WR1 edition, which while it is an upgrade from the WRX and STI versions, it certainly isn't anywhere near the rally cars produced at Banbury. It's simply a special edition with some upgrades on the UK STI.

Something which you don't realise is, in reading the full spec, the WR1 is closer to the same spec as a the US STI.


http://www.subaru.co.uk/impreza_wrx_sti_wr1/impreza_wrx_sti_wr1_frameset.htm
sorry yes thats what i meant i know the rally cars has 300hp,but when i read auto car mag the article said that a lot of the parts that are used in the rally car is also used in this model,im not saying its close but as to what autocar mag was saying its the closet in all round performance to the real thing even though its no where near as close as the real thing if you know what i mean

Yeah, the rally car has an $80,000 paddle-shift transmission that shifts in less than 16 milliseconds. I want one of those on a production WRX. :-) Wonder if they have any leftover that I could have?

it also has anti-lag which is very hard on the engine and could not be streetable unless you had huge pockets.

yup. Racecars are quite expensive, especially in the upper echelons. I think if I had the $$ to buy the real rally version of the Impreza, I'd spend it on an Enzo, Modena, or a Scaglietti (so my friends could come along).

Could a stock 04 sti beat a Pontiac GTO, Camaro SS, Corvette (except z06), mustang mach 1 and cobra, trans am and a mitsubishi 3000GT

Beat them how? In what kind of race? For HPDE's and time trials, I'd probably say the Corvette would have it, followed closely by the Cobra ('03 and higher) and the STi. Solo2: It depends on the course. Going stock for stock, I'm sure the STI'd have them in PAX. ProSolo: Eh, perhaps the STi. Depends on the course but they launch so well at these events it's not funny.

Drag racing: See every post but mine. ;) :)

sorry yes thats what i meant i know the rally cars has 300hp,but when i read auto car mag the article said that a lot of the parts that are used in the rally car is also used in this model,im not saying its close but as to what autocar mag was saying its the closet in all round performance to the real thing even though its no where near as close as the real thing if you know what i mean

The rally car is limited to HP...but torque isn't limited. The rally cars typically have well over 350lb/ft of torque available, which is part of what makes them so friggin fast for "only a 300hp car." (That and the low weight.)

Quick search of Google shows the 2002 Impreza WRC had 480Nm of torque.

"only" 300hp on dirt/gravel/ice is a lot, considering the amount of traction you have to work with. The tarmac stages probably have them wishing for more, but those babies are going just about as fast as one can make a car go on a natural surface without building a completely application-specific vehicle. But starting with a production vehicle as a base, those things are pretty much maxed out. It blows my mind that they go as fast as they do anyway. Something about "more balls than brains" comes to mind... But it makes great TV!

By now I expected the debate to be over -

The stock STI can do 12.7 1/4 mile with a good driver. In terms of going on the track, I'd think that the STI will whoop up even on the Corvette (non Z06) just because it's AWD. You won't believe how hard they can be pushed around the corner without losing traction.

The rally car is limited to HP...but torque isn't limited. The rally cars typically have well over 350lb/ft of torque available, which is part of what makes them so friggin fast for "only a 300hp car." (That and the low weight.)

Quick search of Google shows the 2002 Impreza WRC had 480Nm of torque.


hahah...it's also what makes a car FEEL so friggin fast! lol

btw, for the metrically challenged....480NM = ~340 ft/lbs

and also remember....the USDM sti isn't what the wrc rally car is based off of engine wise. since wrc is limited to 2.0L they are based off the (i guess JDM) 280hp STI engines. So it's not just a mere 40 or 50 extra lbs of torque they added with a bigger turbo and restrictor plate, but a whole lot of factory race engineered parts.

The rally car is limited to HP...but torque isn't limited. The rally cars typically have well over 350lb/ft of torque available, which is part of what makes them so friggin fast for "only a 300hp car." (That and the low weight.)

Quick search of Google shows the 2002 Impreza WRC had 480Nm of torque.
The cars are limited in HP by an air intake restrictor, and are not really limited in HP (the most common number I've heard is 320 recently), but there comes a point where more peak power comes at a cost of mid range power and tourque, and it's this balance that is what keeps the HP numbers in check.

I have heard numbers in the 450-500 ft lbs of tourque range for the most recent crop of WRC engines. I believe the engine blocks are about the only thing the WRC engines have in common with the street car engine counterparts.

I have heard numbers in the 450-500 ft lbs of tourque range for the most recent crop of WRC engines. I believe the engine blocks are about the only thing the WRC cars have in common with the street car engine counterparts.

No, there's a lot more than that.
Read the WRC homologation rules pertaining to engines and you will see.

You poor ignorant mofo!... A stock STI do 12.7? Are you friggin high (probably...)? I have a 2004 STI and regularly run the quarter mile in a scant 13.5 or even 13.7 on average. Mind you, I'm not a terribly quick launcher, but I am consistent. And don't get me wrong, I love the STI. But I just get so irritated when ignorant teenagers misquote real facts and figures. Until you've run an STI on the track, don't say anything... And how would you define a "good driver"? I mean, don't you think the point is pretty much moot when the rest of us are mere mortals. Goodness gracious!!!


By now I expected the debate to be over -

The stock STI can do 12.7 1/4 mile with a good driver. In terms of going on the track, I'd think that the STI will whoop up even on the Corvette (non Z06) just because it's AWD. You won't believe how hard they can be pushed around the corner without losing traction.

You poor ignorant mofo!... A stock STI do 12.7? Are you friggin high (probably...)? I have a 2004 STI and regularly run the quarter mile in a scant 13.5 or even 13.7 on average. Mind you, I'm not a terribly quick launcher, but I am consistent. And don't get me wrong, I love the STI. But I just get so irritated when ignorant teenagers misquote real facts and figures. Until you've run an STI on the track, don't say anything... And how would you define a "good driver"? I mean, don't you think the point is pretty much moot when the rest of us are mere mortals. Goodness gracious!!!

The ignorant one here is YOU :loser:

Igor is the site owner, to call him the spectrum of things you have is anything but smart, especially when he knows what he's talking about.

The times you're seeing with your car are because YOU can't drive it, not because the car isn't capable of pulling a 12.7 off the line.

I know of one guy from NASIOC that pops into my head, who ran a 12.9, the only mods were a full sound system with an amp and sub box. That's just extra weight and only makes you slower.

the 03/04 U.S. STI will not beat an ls1 f-body or corvette. my bone stock ws6 6speed runs 13.24 bone stock, and my best friend has run a best of a 14.81 in his 04 sti. in reality, with the both of us getting a good run through the 1/4 i will have him by 4 cars and pulling as for the rest of the cars i dunno, i can only speak for what i've experienced

Your best friend can't drive.

lmao 14.8, i ran that in my stock 02 wrx with bad launches. The STi is way faster.

Your best friend can't drive.

:iamwithst x 2.

Here's some quick stock STi's for you doubters:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=6544274&highlight=sti+stock+1%2F4#post6544274

I ran 12.9 in my bone stock STi.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=6081001&highlight=sti+stock+12.9#post6081001

I met a guy at CCD named Scott from Oxford in Cecil County who owns a silver STi and he said he ran 12.9@103.9 stock w/ a 1.79 60'. He mentioned that he knows of 5 others that have run 12.9 in stock STi's.

Little further down that page:

I have run 13.01/103mph stock w/ 1.72 60ft

Not a 12, but with a better 60' (people are getting 1.6's stock) it would be.

Same page:

My best stock times were 13.06 and 13.14.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=545880&highlight=sti+stock+1%2F4

i also did a 13.03@105, and a 13.1@105, i was trying to get into the 12's stock sooooo bad, but a 13.001 was all i could do

105 trap speed stock, even the guys breaking 12's stock are usually only trapping ~103.

Another very low 13:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=6082229&highlight=sti+stock+12.9#post6082229

My 04 STi (stock) runs 13.13 @ 103mph.

And of course, the one I mentioned earlier:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=461564

Stock STi new Best 12.920 @ 103mph

That's with an aftermarket sound system, amp rack and subwoofer.

In fact, are you sure your friends car is an STi and not a regular WRX? People seem to make that mistake a lot. 14.8 is just incredibly slow for an STi...

the sti has run 13.1 and probably lower, but from what i hear most people are running them around 13.5 and same with the evo-8. the corvette and the cobra will be the hardest runners with the sti in the 1320. on a track like everyone is saying it has the advantage. but on a roll and up to high speeds damn near every car you've mentioned will pull on it.