drift vs grip II

I think that this topic has been covered to death. Fortunatly, drifter have always been rebels and innovators who could go against the common beliefs. Because unless you are driving one of these...

http://www.formula1.com/imgup/tvImages/2003/malaysian/wallpaper/satpic6_800x600.bmp?

or of these...

http://www.oakridger.com/images/082001/nascar.jpg



or actually compete in other high speed events, drifting adequatly is indeed faster when you are driving one of these

http://perso.club-internet.fr/vroom/images/diapo05.jpg

one of these

http://www.automotriz.net/2003/galeria/images/1024x768-Peugeot-206-WRC-03.jpg

or one of these

http://thewallpaper.online.fr/pages/voitures/porsche/ruf_ctr2.jpg

So discussion is not over, and whats up with locking thread anyway? Its not up to mods to decide what we can talk about... If you dont like what you see, dont read it....

awww-shit... here we go. LoL

What do you wanna discuss, 323? The THREAD was locked cus the general topic was covered. HOWEVER, if you have something new to say I'm sure it will not be a problem.... so shoot!

323, honestly... how old are you? what is your racing background? what race events have you participated in? and when i mean race events, i mean events where they time your runs...

you're right, this topic has been beaten to death, so why bother posting it again? you have your opinion and no one will be able to change it except for yourself... and we can say the same for other people. moderators can lock threads that do not make any sense, or are starting to become useless or have been spammed or that have been "beaten to death".

This is the internet, you can keep talking and talking, but without having actual numbers to backup your claims of being fast while drifting, it's yet another horse being beaten to death.

drifting CAN be fast in CERTAIN conditions. NOT ALL THE TIME. period. It doesnt matter what car you have!

What else is there to discuss?

Actually, it is up to the mods to make sure that topics don't boil down into petty bickering and arguing long after the question has been discussed and settled.

It was firmly established that drift is slower than grip in most every racing scenario. The idea behind competitive drift is to maximize momentum beyond the scope of available traction.

The truth of the matter is that competitive drift's heyday was in the stone age of tire technology, back when the Goodyear Blue Streak Sports Car Special bias ply tire was the last word in racing tires.

Your average street Goodyear now offers up more grip than those old monstrosities. When you start taking into count tires like the Pirelli Cintauro, Firestone Firehawk, Goodyear Gatorback and Eagle, Bridgestone Potenza, Toyo Proxes etc... etc... etc... you see that beyond a few degrees of slip angle the old competitive drift philosophy no longer applies to ANY serious pavement racing situation. Grip is to maximized in every possible corner. Even in today's WRC, where drifting still occurs, handbrakes are only used to sling the car around the tightest of tight hairpins so that the car is pointed in the proper direction so that the driver can get right back on the throttle.

In gravel, dirt, and snow conditions, grip is minimized so the old drift philosophies resurface. That's why if you want to see competitive drifting, you watch gravel rallies, sprint car races, or even the big trucks of SCORE Off-Road racing.

But, again, the topic was covered completely in the past thread. And I see you're not adding any new information here, either. Thus this thread will be locked as well.

By the way, real cute to post a picture of the all-wheel-drive Ruf CTR as your example of a drifting street car. If you actually wanted to show a legit example, you should've linked to a Porsche 930.