Question to FWD e-brake drifters
323
02-11-2004, 01:50 AM
Hello! I am just starting to drift on snow and water with my FWD 323 hatchback with the e-brake, and I was wondering at how fast you guys were drifting with the e-brake to see what is pretty much the maximum of these little hatchback.
Im talking about a real drift! At least 20degree!
Im talking about a real drift! At least 20degree!
Bunta
02-11-2004, 02:11 AM
Where are you when we need you, Soyo?
Corey I RanciD
02-11-2004, 09:29 PM
I'd say at least 160 kph, otherwise you're not going fast enough to really kick the rear around when you pull the e-brake. ;)
flylwsi
02-11-2004, 11:33 PM
how bout we not be dicks, and not flame the fwd guy asking questions, and explain that, technically, you can't drift fwd cars.
you can "ass drag" but that's not real drifting.
you can "ass drag" but that's not real drifting.
323
02-12-2004, 03:46 AM
whats the difference between assdrag and drift?
FDTT
02-12-2004, 04:39 AM
OK well you can drift most anything. I have a couple videos of older civics drifting. Linking drifts, drifting right long side RWD cars. So it can be done. You will take a bunch of flack from the RWD drifters about this subject im sure.
flywis what is a drift, technicly? Is it breaking the rear loss around a corner, or a series of corners? Please define drifting, cause the videos i have of these FWD cars sure seems like drifting to me. If someone is willing to hoste these videos i will gladly put them up.
flywis what is a drift, technicly? Is it breaking the rear loss around a corner, or a series of corners? Please define drifting, cause the videos i have of these FWD cars sure seems like drifting to me. If someone is willing to hoste these videos i will gladly put them up.
323
02-12-2004, 08:03 AM
thx for you answer
now is there anyone here to answer about the drifting speed?
now is there anyone here to answer about the drifting speed?
MR2Driver
02-12-2004, 09:56 AM
Breaking rear tractions does not mean drifting, its a powerslide, which is fundamentally different.
1viadrft
02-12-2004, 12:27 PM
Don't let these guys talk down on your FWD 'drift'... they have been doing it for years in Japan although it's not popular as RWD drift! The 323 is actually a good platform for RALLY and it's good to know that someone is drifting one! I actually got one in my back-yard sitting... I was hoping to get it rally-ready!
As for SPEED I will actually have to look into that and see how fast the other FWD's drift... but I'm sure I will have an answer by tomorrow! There is a DRIFT TEAM in Japan called FF Revolution that drift only... you guessed it: FF/FWD cars! ...mainly Civics and CRX's.
As for SPEED I will actually have to look into that and see how fast the other FWD's drift... but I'm sure I will have an answer by tomorrow! There is a DRIFT TEAM in Japan called FF Revolution that drift only... you guessed it: FF/FWD cars! ...mainly Civics and CRX's.
jdmkenji
02-12-2004, 12:27 PM
thx for you answer
now is there anyone here to answer about the drifting speed?
you keep saying FWD is power sliding. you must be an idiot.
power slide requires= POWER TO THE REAR WHEELS. Thats why its called power slide.
UM FWD??? NO power to the rear wheels! Its not POWER SLIDE!
WHAT IS DRIFTING? = INDUCED CONTROLLED LOSS OF TRACTION
What happens when your rear slides? LOOSE TRACTION
What do you do when you loose the traction? CONTROL IT!
You can call it ass drag, whatever you want, but it is what it is. and its not power slide!
now is there anyone here to answer about the drifting speed?
you keep saying FWD is power sliding. you must be an idiot.
power slide requires= POWER TO THE REAR WHEELS. Thats why its called power slide.
UM FWD??? NO power to the rear wheels! Its not POWER SLIDE!
WHAT IS DRIFTING? = INDUCED CONTROLLED LOSS OF TRACTION
What happens when your rear slides? LOOSE TRACTION
What do you do when you loose the traction? CONTROL IT!
You can call it ass drag, whatever you want, but it is what it is. and its not power slide!
FDTT
02-12-2004, 12:33 PM
Uh oh, looks like we have a flame war begining :D. Ok well it seems everyone has a different diffinition of drifting. But even so FWD can drift. The can eniciate the drift before entering the corner, can cary it through the corner, and continue it till exit, they can also link corners. So as far as im conserned the can drift.
As for the corner speed, it will vary on the amount of traction you have, the surface you are on, type of tires, your skill. But to use the e-brake to initate the slide, you can do that at almost any speed.
As for the corner speed, it will vary on the amount of traction you have, the surface you are on, type of tires, your skill. But to use the e-brake to initate the slide, you can do that at almost any speed.
jdmkenji
02-12-2004, 12:37 PM
Just gotta set some of these "hardcore" internet drifters where they belong. And i'm not trying to flame anyone but this is really getting old. Everytime someone posts about fwd cars, everyone jumps and rants and rants and rants.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But whats stupid is if they cannot back up their opinion. Driftings definition says it all... nothing that says you have to be rwd, or you have to be putting power to the rear. Go read any race physics book... they explain drifting fairly well.
323, if you really are serious about FWD drifting and want to get into it... props to you my friend. Get grippy tires in front, shitty tires in the back... toe out your rear tires, put more front camber and go to the track and practice A LOT. You wont be competetive as the RWD guys but you'll receive respect from those who understand.
Its more difficult to maintain a FWD car sideways than it is for a RWD. So if you pull it off, its a great accomplishment.
Good luck! peace
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But whats stupid is if they cannot back up their opinion. Driftings definition says it all... nothing that says you have to be rwd, or you have to be putting power to the rear. Go read any race physics book... they explain drifting fairly well.
323, if you really are serious about FWD drifting and want to get into it... props to you my friend. Get grippy tires in front, shitty tires in the back... toe out your rear tires, put more front camber and go to the track and practice A LOT. You wont be competetive as the RWD guys but you'll receive respect from those who understand.
Its more difficult to maintain a FWD car sideways than it is for a RWD. So if you pull it off, its a great accomplishment.
Good luck! peace
Soyo
02-12-2004, 04:46 PM
Where are you when we need you, Soyo?
NEVER FEAR, SOYO IS HERE! :)
ok first off read these threads I've posted in about this topic:
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=185939
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=175931
I didn't post in this one but there are some dumb people in it talkign about FF drifting too so I guess I'll link it anyways
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=165104
ok I hope that clears up the fact that FWD cars CAN NOT DRIFT!! do I have to keep saying this over and over? since I'm kind of in a hurry I'm gonna leave it at that, but if you start posting about it again, or someone else I'll be forced to flame you all untill I successfully get a mod to close the thread, yes I know some of you hate me for it, but its kind of like being a super hero, they save the world from evil, I save this forums from idiots... good day
NEVER FEAR, SOYO IS HERE! :)
ok first off read these threads I've posted in about this topic:
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=185939
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=175931
I didn't post in this one but there are some dumb people in it talkign about FF drifting too so I guess I'll link it anyways
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=165104
ok I hope that clears up the fact that FWD cars CAN NOT DRIFT!! do I have to keep saying this over and over? since I'm kind of in a hurry I'm gonna leave it at that, but if you start posting about it again, or someone else I'll be forced to flame you all untill I successfully get a mod to close the thread, yes I know some of you hate me for it, but its kind of like being a super hero, they save the world from evil, I save this forums from idiots... good day
1viadrft
02-12-2004, 04:53 PM
... I dunno... it looks pretty convincing in some of these videos...
Suislide
02-12-2004, 05:05 PM
Soyo - keep it civil please. your last remarks were removed for a reason. do not repeat this reason.
actually, come to think of it, everyone keep it civil please. the guy is only asking for advice. he doesn't want you to tell him what's what. he wants to try something and wants help, so give him help or leave this topic.
actually, come to think of it, everyone keep it civil please. the guy is only asking for advice. he doesn't want you to tell him what's what. he wants to try something and wants help, so give him help or leave this topic.
1viadrft
02-12-2004, 05:12 PM
Soyo - keep it civil please. your last remarks were removed for a reason. do not repeat this reason.
actually, come to think of it, everyone keep it civil please. the guy is only asking for advice. he doesn't want you to tell him what's what. he wants to try something and wants help, so give him help or leave this topic.
Good call...
Let's just help this guy out and answer his questions!
FWD is possible, 323...
actually, come to think of it, everyone keep it civil please. the guy is only asking for advice. he doesn't want you to tell him what's what. he wants to try something and wants help, so give him help or leave this topic.
Good call...
Let's just help this guy out and answer his questions!
FWD is possible, 323...
Corey I RanciD
02-12-2004, 08:35 PM
There's no set speed.. it depends on the corner, your setup and how brave you are. :)
For example for a very tight hair pin you're going to need to be going quite a bit slower than you would for a wider radius turn where you'll need a lot of speed to hold the drift.
Your setup is also important, mainly your tires. Professionals may be able to brake down to 100 kph (about 60 mph) and drift. DO NOT TRY THIS! Your front tires probably don't provide the traction that the high grade tires professional use do. This will result in understeer.. and at 100 kph coming into a turn that's not a good thing at all.
Basically, what I'm trying to say is there's no set speed.. just do it however fast you feel comfortable! It's important to practice and eventually move on and try higher speeds and harder drifts but there's no rush. Do not push yourself too far. If it feels like you're going too fast or are beyond the limits of your skill then you probably are! Through drifting you will learn the limits of your car and yourself. Know these limits and keep it safe. You've got a whole life ahead of you to become as good as Keiichi Tsuchiya, don't waste it trying to impress some girls. ;)
For example for a very tight hair pin you're going to need to be going quite a bit slower than you would for a wider radius turn where you'll need a lot of speed to hold the drift.
Your setup is also important, mainly your tires. Professionals may be able to brake down to 100 kph (about 60 mph) and drift. DO NOT TRY THIS! Your front tires probably don't provide the traction that the high grade tires professional use do. This will result in understeer.. and at 100 kph coming into a turn that's not a good thing at all.
Basically, what I'm trying to say is there's no set speed.. just do it however fast you feel comfortable! It's important to practice and eventually move on and try higher speeds and harder drifts but there's no rush. Do not push yourself too far. If it feels like you're going too fast or are beyond the limits of your skill then you probably are! Through drifting you will learn the limits of your car and yourself. Know these limits and keep it safe. You've got a whole life ahead of you to become as good as Keiichi Tsuchiya, don't waste it trying to impress some girls. ;)
jdmkenji
02-12-2004, 09:06 PM
Exactly, S13 Iketani is right.... of course, we have to give way to the village idiot. Hey Soyo, how long have u been drifting? Seems like your a really badass drifter. Or super hero???? I dont see you saving anyone... i want you to prove me wrong, maybe a few years from now i can see you as a badass drifter competing in drift events. hahaha
323 to give you more valuable suggestions. Like any kind of motorsport, learn how to drive Grip before you learn how to drift. This will teach you the your limits and your vehicles limits. Once you've mastered this, you can exceed your vehicles limits and do more of the crazy stuff. Take it to the track if you can.
My friends mess around a lot on the streets, then they hit a curb... destroy a wheel or getting into an accident is more costly than paying $30 or even $100 to go to an event.
323 to give you more valuable suggestions. Like any kind of motorsport, learn how to drive Grip before you learn how to drift. This will teach you the your limits and your vehicles limits. Once you've mastered this, you can exceed your vehicles limits and do more of the crazy stuff. Take it to the track if you can.
My friends mess around a lot on the streets, then they hit a curb... destroy a wheel or getting into an accident is more costly than paying $30 or even $100 to go to an event.
Soyo
02-12-2004, 09:42 PM
keep it civil? when do I not keep it civil? come on brian! :) we wouldn't have this problem if we made a powerslide forum on AF, FWD can't drift, just my thoughts... and the facts... but whatever :1:
323
02-13-2004, 02:46 AM
thank you for you advices!
Corey, about these 100 kph drift, ill try to catch up soon, now im at 75 on snow (and because of the 323 excessive body roll, I think it would be suicide on tarmac)
btw, if you guys have a few technicals tip about FF drifting (on all surfaces), I be glad to hear them!
Corey, about these 100 kph drift, ill try to catch up soon, now im at 75 on snow (and because of the 323 excessive body roll, I think it would be suicide on tarmac)
btw, if you guys have a few technicals tip about FF drifting (on all surfaces), I be glad to hear them!
1viadrft
02-13-2004, 10:16 AM
thank you for you advices!
Corey, about these 100 kph drift, ill try to catch up soon, now im at 75 on snow (and because of the 323 excessive body roll, I think it would be suicide on tarmac)
btw, if you guys have a few technicals tip about FF drifting (on all surfaces), I be glad to hear them!
IF I WERE YOU, BRO... I'd get a roll bar mounted in that 323 of yours! Start with basic suspension mods ASAP i.e. strut-bars, sway-bars, etc. before you start doing the hardcore drift sessions or even grip on tarmac! I just seen a 323 with a nice set-up in SCC mag. RIGIDITY is your friend!
Corey, about these 100 kph drift, ill try to catch up soon, now im at 75 on snow (and because of the 323 excessive body roll, I think it would be suicide on tarmac)
btw, if you guys have a few technicals tip about FF drifting (on all surfaces), I be glad to hear them!
IF I WERE YOU, BRO... I'd get a roll bar mounted in that 323 of yours! Start with basic suspension mods ASAP i.e. strut-bars, sway-bars, etc. before you start doing the hardcore drift sessions or even grip on tarmac! I just seen a 323 with a nice set-up in SCC mag. RIGIDITY is your friend!
1viadrft
02-13-2004, 10:20 AM
keep it civil? when do I not keep it civil? come on brian! :) we wouldn't have this problem if we made a powerslide forum on AF, FWD can't drift, just my thoughts... and the facts... but whatever :1:
If BattleMagazine and DriftTengoku can feature FWD Drift cars and accept it... if US Drift events can accept it... so can the forums!
If BattleMagazine and DriftTengoku can feature FWD Drift cars and accept it... if US Drift events can accept it... so can the forums!
flylwsi
02-13-2004, 12:42 PM
amen to that...
1viadrft
02-13-2004, 01:08 PM
323:
By the way: what can of set-up do you have on your 323? What kinda mods? I mentioned that I have one sitting in my backyard (my fiancee's bro didn't want it anymore)? I really want to Rally-Race with this car... it's hard tp find parts though! Just wondering what mods you have done to it?
By the way: what can of set-up do you have on your 323? What kinda mods? I mentioned that I have one sitting in my backyard (my fiancee's bro didn't want it anymore)? I really want to Rally-Race with this car... it's hard tp find parts though! Just wondering what mods you have done to it?
2strokebloke
02-13-2004, 02:01 PM
how bout we not be dicks, and not flame the fwd guy asking questions, and explain that, technically, you can't drift fwd cars.
Oh, the irony of that statement.
My advice, would be to forget about the e-brake. You'll find with practice, that slowing the rear wheels, to make them skid is not as accurate or as controlled as taking advantage of your cars weight by steering with the throttle and brakes.
Lifting off of the throttle at the very start of a turn will create a minimal amount of oversteer - practical oversteer for say going around switchbacks. However, it seems that you want something a little more wild, and your solution would be to do left foot braking. Basically, you keep your right foot on the gas, ease of at the start of the turn, but not completely, then use your left foot to push the brake pedal - carefully the first few time you may have a tendency to push it too hard. The harder you push the pedal the more sideways you'll get - push it too hard though and you'll just stop (and stall the engine) I'm making it sound too simple, every car responds differently and you'll have to practice to get it right. And don't let the RWD elitists fool you with their unmitigated horse dung "advice" that FF can't drift.
Oh, the irony of that statement.
My advice, would be to forget about the e-brake. You'll find with practice, that slowing the rear wheels, to make them skid is not as accurate or as controlled as taking advantage of your cars weight by steering with the throttle and brakes.
Lifting off of the throttle at the very start of a turn will create a minimal amount of oversteer - practical oversteer for say going around switchbacks. However, it seems that you want something a little more wild, and your solution would be to do left foot braking. Basically, you keep your right foot on the gas, ease of at the start of the turn, but not completely, then use your left foot to push the brake pedal - carefully the first few time you may have a tendency to push it too hard. The harder you push the pedal the more sideways you'll get - push it too hard though and you'll just stop (and stall the engine) I'm making it sound too simple, every car responds differently and you'll have to practice to get it right. And don't let the RWD elitists fool you with their unmitigated horse dung "advice" that FF can't drift.
1viadrft
02-13-2004, 02:57 PM
yeah... I tried left-foot-braking with my 240sx... F'in' hard man! I kept pushing to hard! I hear that left foot-braking makes it possible to drift AT cars also-?
Soyo
02-13-2004, 03:26 PM
yea left foot breaking is used for auto trannys, power over is the only other way to do it in an auto that I can think of and know would work, there could be more though, haven't put hours into researching it or anything
but FWD CAN NOT DRIFT! MAKE A POWER-SLIDE FORUM SO THE FWD KIDDIES CAN LEAVE US ALONE... please? oh well, guess I'll have to put up with them and just do my work of getting threds closed :)
but FWD CAN NOT DRIFT! MAKE A POWER-SLIDE FORUM SO THE FWD KIDDIES CAN LEAVE US ALONE... please? oh well, guess I'll have to put up with them and just do my work of getting threds closed :)
Corey I RanciD
02-13-2004, 04:40 PM
thank you for you advices!
Corey, about these 100 kph drift, ill try to catch up soon, now im at 75 on snow (and because of the 323 excessive body roll, I think it would be suicide on tarmac)
btw, if you guys have a few technicals tip about FF drifting (on all surfaces), I be glad to hear them!
I'm assuming your car is stock or close to stock now. That's definitly not a bad thing. You can drift just fine without $3,000 worth of suspension upgrades. If you do heavy modding early it'll act as a crutch later and hurt you. Start slow and modify the car for your driving style. If you feel like it's understeering too much get a bigger rear sway or strut bar, etc. Make sure to do things one at a time though and get used to how it feels with each new modification.
As for actually driving, I don't know a whole lot about it because I have very little experience driving front wheel drive at all, so I don't know how much I can help. Using the e-brake is a good way to initiate a drift, then use a combination of e-brake and gas to control the car through the drift. Another way to initiate a drift without using the e-brake is through braking which should work with front wheel drive just fine. Brake a little less than normal on the straight (do about 80% of the normal braking), then as you turn in tap the brakes. This will take the weight off the rear wheels causing oversteer. Then use a combination of gas and e-brake like before. This is difficult in the snow though because you won't be able to turn in at any decent amount of speed without understeering. There's probably someone who actually does do FF drifting on the boards somewhere that can be more helpful than I can though. :smile:
Corey, about these 100 kph drift, ill try to catch up soon, now im at 75 on snow (and because of the 323 excessive body roll, I think it would be suicide on tarmac)
btw, if you guys have a few technicals tip about FF drifting (on all surfaces), I be glad to hear them!
I'm assuming your car is stock or close to stock now. That's definitly not a bad thing. You can drift just fine without $3,000 worth of suspension upgrades. If you do heavy modding early it'll act as a crutch later and hurt you. Start slow and modify the car for your driving style. If you feel like it's understeering too much get a bigger rear sway or strut bar, etc. Make sure to do things one at a time though and get used to how it feels with each new modification.
As for actually driving, I don't know a whole lot about it because I have very little experience driving front wheel drive at all, so I don't know how much I can help. Using the e-brake is a good way to initiate a drift, then use a combination of e-brake and gas to control the car through the drift. Another way to initiate a drift without using the e-brake is through braking which should work with front wheel drive just fine. Brake a little less than normal on the straight (do about 80% of the normal braking), then as you turn in tap the brakes. This will take the weight off the rear wheels causing oversteer. Then use a combination of gas and e-brake like before. This is difficult in the snow though because you won't be able to turn in at any decent amount of speed without understeering. There's probably someone who actually does do FF drifting on the boards somewhere that can be more helpful than I can though. :smile:
323
02-13-2004, 06:05 PM
In answer to 2strokebloke
Thx for your advices, but I was already aware of these braking and lifting off technique, I was already using it with my past cars. But with the 323, it seem that she’s undriftable! The only way to make it oversteer w/o the e-brake is to be over 50kph, lifting the throttle while turning the wrong then right way. And braking doesn’t really make the car oversteer that much, unless the speed is high. That’s why I’m really trying to focus on the e-brake technique!
In answer to Corey:
Hey good technique! I never tried to use the brake instead of the e-brake to adjust the slide. I tough I would lose more speed than that! When the drift is going pretty much as expected, I use the ebrake to ajust the speed of the rear, and giving enough gaz to keep the car at the fastest speed as possible. But when the drift is out of shape, your technique is a lot easier to use than the e-brake technique. Unfortunately, it is still not as fast at the e-brake drift + throttle (or maybe I’m just not doing it right yet). And because it is an automatic (I told you it was the most boring car in the world), it’s harder to send the power I want to the wheels when I just braked because it just never stop shifting.
In answer to 1viadrft:
I have made absolutely no modification on this 323. The reason I bough this automatic-boring-undesteery this car was to force me to stop destroying cars and risking my life like I used to do on streets and trails that would be more suited for 4x4. But I guess I just can’t resist even with the most boring car in the world… My objective is to go rally when ill have more money, but for the moment, I wouldn’t be competitive at all with my 323, so instead I prefer to practice everything that can be done with a car. (so im a stunt driver more than a racer)
Thank you for your advices!
Thx for your advices, but I was already aware of these braking and lifting off technique, I was already using it with my past cars. But with the 323, it seem that she’s undriftable! The only way to make it oversteer w/o the e-brake is to be over 50kph, lifting the throttle while turning the wrong then right way. And braking doesn’t really make the car oversteer that much, unless the speed is high. That’s why I’m really trying to focus on the e-brake technique!
In answer to Corey:
Hey good technique! I never tried to use the brake instead of the e-brake to adjust the slide. I tough I would lose more speed than that! When the drift is going pretty much as expected, I use the ebrake to ajust the speed of the rear, and giving enough gaz to keep the car at the fastest speed as possible. But when the drift is out of shape, your technique is a lot easier to use than the e-brake technique. Unfortunately, it is still not as fast at the e-brake drift + throttle (or maybe I’m just not doing it right yet). And because it is an automatic (I told you it was the most boring car in the world), it’s harder to send the power I want to the wheels when I just braked because it just never stop shifting.
In answer to 1viadrft:
I have made absolutely no modification on this 323. The reason I bough this automatic-boring-undesteery this car was to force me to stop destroying cars and risking my life like I used to do on streets and trails that would be more suited for 4x4. But I guess I just can’t resist even with the most boring car in the world… My objective is to go rally when ill have more money, but for the moment, I wouldn’t be competitive at all with my 323, so instead I prefer to practice everything that can be done with a car. (so im a stunt driver more than a racer)
Thank you for your advices!
2strokebloke
02-13-2004, 06:16 PM
but FWD CAN NOT DRIFT! MAKE A POWER-SLIDE FORUM SO THE FWD KIDDIES CAN LEAVE US ALONE... please? oh well, guess I'll have to put up with them and just do my work of getting threds closed :)
Actually, next time you pull a thread in here off topic, I'd rather that you be banned than close the thread. You've been warned.
Powerslide? :loser: I'm guessing you don't even know what a powerslide is then :p
Let's go over this since were already off topic, a powerslide, is breaking the traction of the drive wheels, ONLY in a RWD car, would this result in oversteer to say that an FF car doing an oversteering drift is "powersliding" is simply the most non-sensical thing that can be said so far as powersliding, and drifting is concered.
Being that the FRONT WHEELS are the drive wheels on an FF car, breaking their traction would result in understeer.
In response to 323, and back on topic - if you can't get the car to oversteer with liftoff, or even just braking - then a good rear anti sway bar would help. I don't like to use the ebrake, because I like to steer with my right hand.
Actually, next time you pull a thread in here off topic, I'd rather that you be banned than close the thread. You've been warned.
Powerslide? :loser: I'm guessing you don't even know what a powerslide is then :p
Let's go over this since were already off topic, a powerslide, is breaking the traction of the drive wheels, ONLY in a RWD car, would this result in oversteer to say that an FF car doing an oversteering drift is "powersliding" is simply the most non-sensical thing that can be said so far as powersliding, and drifting is concered.
Being that the FRONT WHEELS are the drive wheels on an FF car, breaking their traction would result in understeer.
In response to 323, and back on topic - if you can't get the car to oversteer with liftoff, or even just braking - then a good rear anti sway bar would help. I don't like to use the ebrake, because I like to steer with my right hand.
jdmkenji
02-13-2004, 06:33 PM
Well put 2strokebloke.
Power sliding is only applicable to RWD cars! Look at the name... POWER SLIDE. Sliding by applying too much power to your drive wheels... which cannot be achived on a FWD unless your understeering or doing a FWD burn out... hahaha
Power sliding is only applicable to RWD cars! Look at the name... POWER SLIDE. Sliding by applying too much power to your drive wheels... which cannot be achived on a FWD unless your understeering or doing a FWD burn out... hahaha
Rock Lee
02-14-2004, 07:22 PM
sry to bring bak lata post i just wanted to let yall kno driftind is kinda of an oversteer not meant to slow u down als much as a powerslide.basicly its so u can bring the bak of the car around turns quicker.& for beginin drifters i would suggest puttin good tires in front a shitty tires in bajk at first.it has less control but does help beginers out.when u get betta at it put betta tires in the bak u gain more control. :evillol: :banghead: :nono: :iceslolan
1viadrft
02-14-2004, 09:58 PM
323:
How do you manage to drift with an AT? I'm quite intrested to know how 'cus I cannot find anyone else that attempts this feat!
I personally do not drift anymore cus I sold my 240sx and bought a '90 NA 300zx with AT... my new setup is going to be for GRIP on the TOUGE... but I just wanna try once to DRIFT this monster!
How do you manage to drift with an AT? I'm quite intrested to know how 'cus I cannot find anyone else that attempts this feat!
I personally do not drift anymore cus I sold my 240sx and bought a '90 NA 300zx with AT... my new setup is going to be for GRIP on the TOUGE... but I just wanna try once to DRIFT this monster!
Soyo
02-14-2004, 10:09 PM
come up to the corner too fast and hit the breaks pretty hard, but kind of smooth so they don't all lock up, this should get the weight to the front, then floor the gas(maybe try using heel-toe) this might work, never tried since mines 5spd
another thing you might try is to throw the weight by turning away from the corner then sharply turning in, trying different ways when doing this, try with gas when you turn in or with brakes when you turn in, just play around with it, I think this one should work... well maybe, since the Z's are monsterous, but worth a shot anyways
another thing you might try is to throw the weight by turning away from the corner then sharply turning in, trying different ways when doing this, try with gas when you turn in or with brakes when you turn in, just play around with it, I think this one should work... well maybe, since the Z's are monsterous, but worth a shot anyways
Bunta
02-14-2004, 10:27 PM
Our boyo soyo... King of FF drifting. Why don't you try driving for a few more years before you jump into drifting.
Remember, true drifting is actually inducing understeer to put the car where you want it. I understand tuning a FF car to increase oversteer for any kind of driving activity, since power induced understeer will be available. You can make an FF with a short enough wheelbase (323 is too kool for skool) into a really fun car. Just because FF's are so stable on downhill cornering doesn't mean you can't drift them. I read that 323's have good steel body panels (true story).
Remember, true drifting is actually inducing understeer to put the car where you want it. I understand tuning a FF car to increase oversteer for any kind of driving activity, since power induced understeer will be available. You can make an FF with a short enough wheelbase (323 is too kool for skool) into a really fun car. Just because FF's are so stable on downhill cornering doesn't mean you can't drift them. I read that 323's have good steel body panels (true story).
2strokebloke
02-14-2004, 11:14 PM
Sorry to pull this off topic, after it has been done so many times. Soyo has not been banned permanently, he's just taking a few days off (less than a week) As a message to other members, when a moderator warns you, he/she is serious - it's best not to provoke them. Hopefully when he returns he'll be better able to determine what is appropriate to post in a thread, and what is better suited for PMs. As a reminder to other members, if you have a problem with another member, or the forum, PM a moderator! Do not (I repeat) Do not, take a thread off topic for this reason!
Back to your regularly scheduled programing...
Just because FF's are so stable on downhill cornering doesn't mean you can't drift them.
Actually, it's easier to drift downhill, because the weight of the car will be loaded on your front wheels, even more so than when braking or lifting off of the throttle on a flat or uphill surface.
PS: no more off-topic posts - I'm serious! :smile:
Back to your regularly scheduled programing...
Just because FF's are so stable on downhill cornering doesn't mean you can't drift them.
Actually, it's easier to drift downhill, because the weight of the car will be loaded on your front wheels, even more so than when braking or lifting off of the throttle on a flat or uphill surface.
PS: no more off-topic posts - I'm serious! :smile:
1viadrft
02-14-2004, 11:50 PM
huh.... maybe I'll drift a 323 then!
323
02-15-2004, 12:19 AM
1via:
ho no!! youve got a 300zx with AT!
how are you going to powerslide, or use brakes to powerslide?!
the only way I can manage to drift the AT 323 is to put it in low so it will stay in 1nd and 2nd gear and press a special button "hold" that will not make the car change speed as many time as without old.
btw, trying to drift in a hill doest seem a very good idea! I bet its a lot easier to make the car flip over!
ho no!! youve got a 300zx with AT!
how are you going to powerslide, or use brakes to powerslide?!
the only way I can manage to drift the AT 323 is to put it in low so it will stay in 1nd and 2nd gear and press a special button "hold" that will not make the car change speed as many time as without old.
btw, trying to drift in a hill doest seem a very good idea! I bet its a lot easier to make the car flip over!
Bunta
02-15-2004, 04:55 AM
323, you should look for one of those awd GTX 323's that Mazda had for a while. Those are the bee's knees.
323
02-15-2004, 05:10 AM
yeah I know!!
Im looking for one, but I cant find any
Im looking for one, but I cant find any
2strokebloke
02-16-2004, 02:52 PM
If you're looking for Soyo's complaint fest, it has been relocated to:http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=190194
If you feel the need to comment, do so (in it's new position), it was moved because once again, our friend Soyo was off topic.
If you feel the need to comment, do so (in it's new position), it was moved because once again, our friend Soyo was off topic.
Bunta
02-27-2004, 11:30 PM
A real drifter does not have the need to use the handbrake to drift.
There are plenty of other techniques that are more daring and make better drifts.
The handbrake is good for low speeds and for fine-tuning during a drift, but using it at 60+mph? Sounds like someone needs to do some practicing.
There are plenty of other techniques that are more daring and make better drifts.
The handbrake is good for low speeds and for fine-tuning during a drift, but using it at 60+mph? Sounds like someone needs to do some practicing.
Boss San
03-15-2004, 02:41 PM
Hey that Bunta sure knows what he's talking about.
Hey, wait.
That was one of my post under his name again.
Go figure....
Hey, wait.
That was one of my post under his name again.
Go figure....
Boss San
03-15-2004, 02:42 PM
Now I know why it's so vital to have your own account on here! HA!
1viadrft
03-15-2004, 03:22 PM
As LaylasKeeper would say: "Do you have anything constructive to say?"
96EclipseRS
07-28-2004, 04:18 PM
i have an eclipse, and i have just started FWD drifting. putting crappy tires on the rear and wide grip tires up front helps quite a bit. come into the turn somewhat fast, depending on the turn and your confidence, then pump the brakes, pump the e-brake, and accelerate hard. i just got my FWD car, and it is much harder than when i had my 240sx, but keep practicing......you'll find out what works for you...
VQuick
07-28-2004, 06:41 PM
Dead...
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drftk1d
07-28-2004, 07:59 PM
Aww give him a break.
Suislide
07-29-2004, 04:52 PM
here's his break.
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