AWD drifters???

Does anyone in here drift AWD??? I cant seem to find any serious AWD drifters around.

It would be good to hear from some guys, and hear what they have to say about it.

the guys in the option video with the jun super lemon evo V do... ;)

I know that, but i was looking for someone who posts on here so i could talk to them about there technique and such.

But it seems that no one is really intrested or actulay does AWD drifiting. O well it was worht a shot.

you've got to find someone that owns an awd car...
it's not any different than regular drifting... and you've got a little more control w/ all 4 powered wheels...

An AWD drift is very different from a RWD drift. For one you have to shift your weight a lot more and throw your car sideways. Once this is done you use the gas to lose some grip on all four tires and basically keep direction with that, if you change the direction of the wheel trying to counter steer it won't work like RWD. Look at pics of AWD drifts, the front and back tires are for all intesive purposes straight.

awd drifting is impossible due to he fact that more than half of the big awd's have 4 wheel turning,i was once in possesion of a r33 gtr,until the day i thought i could drift it,it was put in to a tree.....rip,but as good as i am at drifting the only awd that could come close,are evo 3,4,5,6's,reason why they dont have4 wheel steering,and unlike most evo's dont have viscous couplers,which werent introduced until the late evo 7's,on the othe hand.....impreza's could pull it off,but,with most four banggin boxer's,thaey dont have shit for torque,even the rally cars have trouble,and always seem to blow the torque converter,btw,i curently live in japan,and i have yet to see one aluminum spoiler on there cars,i had to ask why,my freind kayichi said its because there only purpose is down force for ROAD COURSE'S,and any car on the streets with one,is highly looked down upon,but if you have any more questions,reply

the only reason why 4 cyl boxers have little low end is cuz their bore is bigger thatn stroke. Which reminds me that my friends legacy has potential to be a pretty sick drift car. But the main things getting in the way are the fact that the car is 4wd and automatc. But i like a challenge. It'll have to do until i get my car issue squared away

awd drifting is impossible due to he fact that more than half of the big awd's have 4 wheel turning,i was once in possesion of a r33 gtr,until the day i thought i could drift it,it was put in to a tree.....rip,but as good as i am at drifting the only awd that could come close,are evo 3,4,5,6's yadda yadda...

I had this whole schpiel written up, then I remembered that this is the internet and I should just calm down. :)

boxers bore is only .134 less than most n/a 2.4's,the main diff,is liter capacity,in addition i wasnt downing them,i actually admire the awd porche's,but im sorry,even the hks minx impreza had a 89 hp gain after an ecu,t16,turbo timer,fms,cold air,solid axle,4.23:1 gear change,and about another $3,000 in to it,sorry to break it to you,but there dyno queens,they talk big,but just wont put out

awd drifting is impossible?

again, i refer to option video (i think) 89.

jun super lemon evo 5. drifting.

you've not seen, oh, rhys millen drifting his evo at the US D1GP?

or any other awd cars?

you were once in the possession of a gtr, but you hit a tree.
sounds like you don't know how to drive, and didn't own a gtr.

and yeah, you can drift a car with 4ws.

you my friend, don't know much about what you're talking about.

porsche's are dyno queens?

solid axle in an imprezza. pictures?

sorry, but everything you've posted in this thread smells...

thanks flylwsi. You did what I could not. My brain went dead for four hours after I read his post. I had a drink and took a nap and forgot all about it.

not to mention the skylines that drift, which you said wasn't possible... just cuz you aren't talented enough to do it doens't make it impossible

thanks flylwsi. You did what I could not. My brain went dead for four hours after I read his post. I had a drink and took a nap and forgot all about it.
if you take a look at the links in my sig, you'll see that it's all in a days work...
just doin what comes natural... ;)

AWD can't drift? You what? He must drive like sh|T to crash his gtr (I don't think he even got one).

AWD drift is very POSSIBLE... even with 4WS! But it may prove challenging! Heck, you can just about drift anything if you got the skill! In my old DriftTengoku magazine they have this drift crew called F.F. Revolution that drift Civic's! This is in Japan man! They actually compete against FR cars like the Silvia! Hell! A mini-van can be drifted if you got the balls! I even still wanna attempt to DRIFT my Z car... just once... then I'm gonna go all GRIP!

poop

The starter of this thread is funny :)
http://www.hlrally.net/bioweapon/89Turbo944/
Nice act. So this isn't you? The profile says Vancouver, Canada, born on Sept. 11th.

http://www.supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=162010

And this isn't you either? Hmmm... "Come out to Canada, Vancover area. Ill race you." BTW, it's very impressive that you got 928 flywheel horsepower out of a Supra you listed as "BPU" on another site...

http://www.automotivehelper.com/topic4516.htm

And this isn't you on the Mercedes Benz forum? Odd, the location says North Vancouver, Canada...

http://www.mbnz.org/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=1073968&posts=17

And what about this? Yet another 89turbo944 from North Vancouver, B.C. Canada...

http://racingknowledge.org/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2004&whichpage=3

Even the 350Z forum isn't safe... someone from Vancouver Canada stole your user name again. Guess "89turbo944" must be a popular alias.

http://350zmotoring.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6466

As for not having an RX-7, then why are you claiming to own a Turbo II and an 1995 R2 the RX-7 Club forum? What an amazing coincidence that this other guy is using the same RE Super-G avatar as you are here, is also from Vancouver, and has a Sept. 11th birthday...

http://www.rx7club.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=41170

And how about nopistons.com? Same alias, same RE Super G avatar, same location, same Sept. 11th birthday...

http://www.nopistons.com/forums/index.php?showuser=9312

Did you really think that no one else belongs to more than one car forum and wouldn't notice that your list of cars changes on each one?

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=1545361

0wn3d!!!!! lmao

You must be right tofu_driftguyrb26, your R33 was undriftable, other 4wd

I once owned a WRC peugeot 206, and it was undriftable too.
well to be serious tofu, I hope you are lying, because it would be less humiliating to be a liar than not using your skyline at its limits.

Thing is 4wd CAN really drift!

The first car I drove(alone, w/o its owner) was a 4wd mini-van and it only took me a few minutes to start drifting with it. Trying to introduce the drift with power only seems impossible (at least on this car). If you are going really fast, the technique to lost rear traction seems similar to RWD. Its when your under 40 mph that its difficult. The best technique I have found in these 3 weeks of 4wd driving (btw, mini-vans tend to flip over when too sideway) was a combinaison of feint and lift-off

1. accelerate while turning the wrong way
2. lift the throttle completely as soon as you turn back to the right way
3. when the car is drifting enough, WOT!! and the 4 wheels should be drifting!!

Btw, if you watch Tiff Needell movies with attention, he seems to be using that technique.

If you are going at an high way speed, just lifting the throttle in a tight curve could be enough to make the car drift (lots of people also have accidents for lifting the accelerator, especialy on wet surfaces)

But a good advice would be to try on a wet surface first, because as I said before, a mini-van tend to flip over when its too sideway, so you would be able to practice at a lower speed.

Hope it will help!

first,all gtr r33's have aws,but at any speed about 45,also if the purchase of a nismo manumatic is purchased,it has a keyslot to TURN IT OFF!!second,porches are not dyno queens,SUPRAS ARE,i have seen 4oohp run low9's,and yet i have seen 800hp supras run only a tenth faster,third,rys millen didnt drive a evo in the d1,HE DROVE A FUCKIN PONTIAC LS1 POWERD GTO,AND YES THERE IS SUCH A CAR..and for all you hot four bangers,an ls1 is A 413 HORSE POWER V8,no turbo,no blower,superchargers for you weenies,fourth,the only reason i put my gtr in a tree,is cause some little hot shot thought he could drift the kaido,{downhill}he he realized he couldnt make it round a damn u turn,he spun out and i had to go off the u turn and off an 6 foot drop and it to some trees,if you dont beleive that i have one,i have sevreal pictures of it in the tree,and before......if theres anything i missed,let me know,and ill get back to your happy drifting asse's

first,all gtr r33's have aws,but at any speed about 45,also if the purchase of a nismo manumatic is purchased,it has a keyslot to TURN IT OFF!!second,porches are not dyno queens,SUPRAS ARE,i have seen 4oohp run low9's,and yet i have seen 800hp supras run only a tenth faster,third,rys millen didnt drive a evo in the d1,HE DROVE A FUCKIN PONTIAC LS1 POWERD GTO,AND YES THERE IS SUCH A CAR..and for all you hot four bangers,an ls1 is A 413 HORSE POWER V8,no turbo,no blower,superchargers for you weenies,fourth,the only reason i put my gtr in a tree,is cause some little hot shot thought he could drift the kaido,{downhill}he he realized he couldnt make it round a damn u turn,he spun out and i had to go off the u turn and off an 6 foot drop and it to some trees,if you dont beleive that i have one,i have sevreal pictures of it in the tree,and before......if theres anything i missed,let me know,and ill get back to your happy drifting asse's

That was very enlightening... no, sorry I lied.....

Millen drove the evo at drift showoff.
he drove the gto at d1.

So whatever happend to that imposter-guy? The guy who suppossedly owns like every car or some junk... bring him back so we can make fun of him... this forum is getting broing!

Oh... and AWS can be drifted, albiet dificult! I seen an R34 GTR drift in a vid from Okinawa....

tofu, you make no sense.
honestly.
and for the record, the ls1 is not 413hp stock.

trust me.
go look it up. the gto doesn't make 413hp stock.

also.
the mention of what Millen drove was prior to the current/recent D1, last month.
you're a little slow on the pickup.
it took you how many months to think of a reply?

i DOUBT you owned a skyline.

prove it.

Yeah... show us your tits.... oh, I mean Pix! Show us pictures of your SKYLINE! Or your S15 or something.........

hmm...
another interesting note, it was mentioned, by our buddy mr. tofu (for those of you who don't know, tofu is a fake food product, that can be seasoned to taste like REAL food, which seems adequate for this fake skyline owner), that awd boxer motors blow the torque convertor?
really?
where, mr. tofu, is the torque convertor located on a vehicle that would be raced or have high hp?
considering that torque convertors are ONLY in automatic transmissions, not in manuals, which, coincidentally, most high powered or race cars are...

??????

oh-oh! I know.... pick-me!

hmm...
another interesting note, it was mentioned, by our buddy mr. tofu (for those of you who don't know, tofu is a fake food product, that can be seasoned to taste like REAL food, which seems adequate for this fake skyline owner), that awd boxer motors blow the torque convertor?
really?
where, mr. tofu, is the torque convertor located on a vehicle that would be raced or have high hp?
considering that torque convertors are ONLY in automatic transmissions, not in manuals, which, coincidentally, most high powered or race cars are...

??????

i scmell another ownage...

hmm...
another interesting note, it was mentioned, by our buddy mr. tofu (for those of you who don't know, tofu is a fake food product, that can be seasoned to taste like REAL food, which seems adequate for this fake skyline owner), that awd boxer motors blow the torque convertor?
really?
where, mr. tofu, is the torque convertor located on a vehicle that would be raced or have high hp?
considering that torque convertors are ONLY in automatic transmissions, not in manuals, which, coincidentally, most high powered or race cars are...

??????

The only race cars I know of that have tourque converters aren't high enough HP for there to be a problem. There are a couple of autos out there, but only in stock-based classes where the cars that are running them were not available with a manual transmission.

No wonder I can't drift the STi...apparently according to tofu, you need a tourqe converter, and golly gosh darn it I can't find it on my car to replace it, and when I go to the auto parts store they look at me funny. They must hide them next to the diesel spark plugs. :rofl:

(actually, race cars with torque convertors can, and do, have massive hp)

my friend's 73 nova. 350 chevy, 500hp. 3 speed auto, shifted manually, 3400rpm stall tq. convertor.

the easy street wrx, making 750+hp, uses an auto.

but not drift cars.

but that's besides the point.

my point has been made, i'm just clarifying everything else here...

Yeah... some of the fastest domestics, i.e. Mustangs and Corvettes are automatics....

I drive an awd impreza ,and I got two ways to make it drift:
1st one is somehow little risky due to high speed+hard breaking when entering a corner ?? and that will shift the weight to the front wheels which cause loss in traction at the rear wheels :loser: then go full throttle while turning the wrong way :evillol: and I did it 4 or 5 times :sly: but in the last time I lost my rear bumper cuz I was going really faster than what I should go :iceslolan then I create a new way to drift awd cars and much safer
:smokin: hard understeering can cause oversteering = AWD drift
this is my new way to drift in my impreza and I'm still practicing to go faster :uhoh: but it's really cause a heavy load on the front axles and I have a bad feeling that something will happen to them by the time due to heavy understeering u know ??! :uhoh:

Well i have a Impreza RS and i drift it up... i just use the e-brake going into a corner to get it sliding out and then power through... im not that great at it... but it is defienatly possiable!

Thats not the way to do it, kiddos.... I wanna see you power over those AWD beast'!

I drive an awd impreza ,and I got two ways to make it drift:
1st one is somehow little risky due to high speed+hard breaking when entering a corner ?? and that will shift the weight to the front wheels which cause loss in traction at the rear wheels :loser: then go full throttle while turning the wrong way :evillol: and I did it 4 or 5 times :sly: but in the last time I lost my rear bumper cuz I was going really faster than what I should go :iceslolan then I create a new way to drift awd cars and much safer
:smokin: hard understeering can cause oversteering = AWD drift
this is my new way to drift in my impreza and I'm still practicing to go faster :uhoh: but it's really cause a heavy load on the front axles and I have a bad feeling that something will happen to them by the time due to heavy understeering u know ??! :uhoh:


somehow, i fail to see how you explained what you did?

in awd cars like yours, the "scandinavian flick" will get you drifting.

power into a corner, turn hard into the turn, the kick the wheel back out, opposite lock style.
keep on the gas.

there was a "5th gear" video in which tiff needell demonstrated this perfectly, in an sti, an evo, a skyline, and a 911 turbo awd.

works in fwd cars as well...

I have the video you speak off if nebody wants it. That video made me want a imprenza to bad can't get a P1 in here in the states. But we can get 2.5RS. Does nebody know of a place that imports older evo's? 4,5,6?? If don't get a imprenza i want a evo. Also has nebody seen a TT imprenza drift??. I've only seen one tt imprenza *speaking of blitzen engine swap** and it was draging.

dude, its possible to drift in a AWD car if that person has the right technique. For me, all i know how to make a awd drift is, the center. and rear differetials, new driveshaft, tires, suspension, and probably a lightweighted awd car. but you cannot drift in an awd unless you have technique...and have a awd car..

here...found an example of a Skyline GTR33 drifting. And as you can tell, as it drifts, the AWD automatically seems to counter-steer itself while in a deep drift. And if this were not to be an AWD GTR33, it'd be oversteering alot more.

http://www.lvracingscene.com/videos/stream/10-09-04_R33_Drifts.wmv


http://www.lvracingscene.com/videos/stream/10-09-04_R33_Drifts2.wmv

last weekend I took my R32 GT-R out to a local drifting arena, and after two or three tries at different techniques I found heavy breaking into the corner will break the rear end loose. After that just floor it.

OK, not only can you drift an AWD. I have pics of me DOING IT at an actual drift track near Kudamatsu here in Japan with my old Evo GSR that I used to have have.

I wasn't going to try it but since it was raining I thought "why not" since due to the slick conditions of the track I wasn't worried about putting too much stress on the drivetrain.

http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=503/141207DriftingEvo.jpg
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=503/141207DriftingEvo_3_.jpg

I will say that the overall experience was lots of fun but I wouldn't ever do it again. Here's the deal about drifting and I'm just gonna say it as simply as I can.

With enough speed and power, you can put ANY car into a slide... big deal. If you are REALLY interested in drifting, get a car that's good for drifting and quit screwing around. AWD cars are horrible drift cars and it puts too much stress on a power train that was designed specifically to keep the car planted to the ground.

lol i have a twin turbo awd aws an it is a bit more to get it into a drift but i have gotten it down - the only thing the aws seems to do is shorten the length of the drift if you dont know how to throttle it properly as we found out my friend jw sucks at it when he tried to drive my ride ... it looked like a 10 year old's first time in a driver seat ... it was rather amusing for the rest of us ...

my aws is speed controlled - 60 mph an over ...

so, with technique it is possible to drift in a AWD car. I hate Initial D people who think they can drift in a STOCK 240sx or any rear-wheel drive. One time, my friend who owns a 240, told me he could drift. Went with him and he MADLY understeerd then Oversteered into a 360. OMG, and he said he learned it by watching INITIAL D! OMG...! INITIAL D IS FAKE GUYS

so, with technique it is possible to drift in a AWD car. I hate Initial D people who think they can drift in a STOCK 240sx or any rear-wheel drive. One time, my friend who owns a 240, told me he could drift. Went with him and he MADLY understeerd then Oversteered into a 360. OMG, and he said he learned it by watching INITIAL D! OMG...! INITIAL D IS FAKE GUYS

With certian techniques it is possibe to drift nething. You can drift a stock 240sx and multiple rear-wheel/all whell drive cars. Inital D is not all fake it is based on a somewhat true story i know that the drift king Keiichi Tsuchiya said somthing on the drift bible bout teaching Takumi. I for one am a believer/learner of Tsuchiya's 6 basic techniques.

its really based on "whether you have enough power - firm suspension- and good weight distribution" for example - i was reading this artical in tuner they said u couldnt drift a s2k properly - this guy proved them wrong after basically completely disassembling a s2k an rebuilding it to drifting needs, he made it into a car that could pull of some sick drifts - someone had to of read that artical besides me... they said that it was almost impossible to do it b4 they did the process they did, the cars weight was so of an the thing is under powered an the supsenion sucked , so they build there own s2k from a brand new one - broke it down rebuilt it - lots of relocations on the car..

so, with technique it is possible to drift in a AWD car. I hate Initial D people who think they can drift in a STOCK 240sx or any rear-wheel drive. One time, my friend who owns a 240, told me he could drift. Went with him and he MADLY understeerd then Oversteered into a 360. OMG, and he said he learned it by watching INITIAL D! OMG...! INITIAL D IS FAKE GUYS

dude any stock car can drift. if your friend said that then he's stupid. he will learn, just because your dummy dummy friend cant do it doesnt mean its impossible.

dude, trust me, he has a 240sx, his LSD is broken, his rear axles are about to break in half. i think the only possible drift he can do is the power-over, but i know for a fact he cant drift in THAT car.

Hey TOFU RB26 guy.

In the R33 there are 3 guages in the dash. Whats the middle one? What does it read out?

first,all gtr r33's have aws,but at any speed about 45,also if the purchase of a nismo manumatic is purchased,it has a keyslot to TURN IT OFF!!second,porches are not dyno queens,SUPRAS ARE,i have seen 4oohp run low9's,and yet i have seen 800hp supras run only a tenth faster,third,rys millen didnt drive a evo in the d1,HE DROVE A FUCKIN PONTIAC LS1 POWERD GTO,AND YES THERE IS SUCH A CAR..and for all you hot four bangers,an ls1 is A 413 HORSE POWER V8,no turbo,no blower,superchargers for you weenies,fourth,the only reason i put my gtr in a tree,is cause some little hot shot thought he could drift the kaido,{downhill}he he realized he couldnt make it round a damn u turn,he spun out and i had to go off the u turn and off an 6 foot drop and it to some trees,if you dont beleive that i have one,i have sevreal pictures of it in the tree,and before......if theres anything i missed,let me know,and ill get back to your happy drifting asse's


lol this guy thinks he is some kind of car god huh?
he talks about all this shit - an buddy if you have seen a 400hp supra run 9's that is bullshit - maybe was running high 11's an then you say a 800hp supra will only run a tenth faster - your a fuckin lieing sack of shit buddy- 800hp supra should be in the 8's - sounds like your just throwing out all this talk -

Dorikin he will prob. just look on some kind of site an look at a pic to see - to answer your question Hey TOFU RB26 guy.

In the R33 there are 3 guages in the dash. Whats the middle one? What does it read out?

dude, trust me, he has a 240sx, his LSD is broken, his rear axles are about to break in half. i think the only possible drift he can do is the power-over, but i know for a fact he cant drift in THAT car.
well that changes everything.

lol ya who knew he had mechanical problems....

hahahah...i did once i looked under the car and especially when i saw his two rear wheels tilted out...and riding with him gave me 2nd thoughts about drifting..hhahah...

hey...if you have ever gotten to a point where someone who thought they knew they could drift and almost crash, you do have second thoughts about drifting or doing anything...trust me, my friend thought he could drift and it scared the SHIT outta me...hahahhahhahahahhahah

hahahah...i did once i looked under the car and especially when i saw his two rear wheels tilted out...and riding with him gave me 2nd thoughts about drifting..hhahah...
just alot of negative camber?

probably, cuz he said that made him "control" the car better? im not sure but just yesterday i saw his car...and doesnt look to well. I asked him and he said his rear axles broke on him, i was trying not to laugh, but it was funny. He told me he's gonna get another 240 axle...i told him to get the Sky, but thats costly...

With certian techniques it is possibe to drift nething. You can drift a stock 240sx and multiple rear-wheel/all whell drive cars. Inital D is not all fake it is based on a somewhat true story i know that the drift king Keiichi Tsuchiya said somthing on the drift bible bout teaching Takumi. I for one am a believer/learner of Tsuchiya's 6 basic techniques.



Too your Sig ^^^^^^^^^^^
thats interesting - i dont have enough balls to take a picture of my speed 20 over 180mph in my car - i think something is gonna jump out an i would be done - thats pretty good - the best one i got was 164 in 4th gear @ 5,220 rpm

oh an that looks like a RS package on that camaro not a Z28

the skyline doing 200mph wasn't mine it was vid i got the net. I put it up cause the guy had a stock bottom end on the motor i found that kinda interesting. And its a z gots the papers to prove also have decoded the vin ** at first didn't know if it had 350 or 305 so i had it decoded.

oh i see the T-tops now - it was the rear spoiler that threw me off - looks like a RS kit feature, ya i have reached 200mph on my stock twin turbo - an it honestly didnt take long to get goin that fast - only takes lil under a half a mile an its doin 155 no problem, i was goin to buy a skyline - but i didnt think it was worth to import - 80k to us ready it an ship it not to mention the price of the car

yah motorex and there monply is outragous. I want a 94 r/ tt but i would put the 99 vr4 front conversoin on it.