Pro's and Cons MK2

I have raced SCCA for 2 years and have decided to start considering drifting. I want a 1985 corola GTS (4AGE) or known as the AE86 but finding one has been exausting. I considerd a 240sx but finding one that is less than $2000 in my area is impossible or DAMN near.

WRX, MR2, skyline, Ext. are a little exspensive...

So I am considering a 1985 Celica/Supra GT/GTS also known as the Mk2. The MK2 has independent rear suspension with a factory LSD. The 2.8 5MGE straight 6 has decent power (160hp and 180ft/lbs). And the P-type rims make a good platform. Stripped down it can be under 3000 lbs.

:banghead: The 1983-1985 Supra Gt/Gts seems to have all the characteristics to be a good drift car. Yet I would really like to here the pro's and con's. Why it is? OR Why is isn't?

(Keep in mind $2000.00 for a car trying to keep this new project under budget. My Civic for SCCA allready takes most of my cash flow.)

Just getting into drifting....

Please only Give information if you actually know what your talking about. I am a serious racer !NOT! a 16 yr old ford taraus owner with dub hubcaps and TRD sticker with a type R licens plate. I actually Race and any good information is going to help me in deciding on what car to buy and build in the next couple months.

Hey, I have a 1985 Toyota Supra MKII. It is Known as a Celica Supra. The Celica GTS is the same car with a differant nose and a 4 banger. MKII Supra is great, Insurance is pretty good even though it is a sports car becuase it is from 1985. The Chassis name is the MA67. I have pics of my car, I can give them to me if you IM me my screen name is IATEPCT.

GO FOR THE AE86!! I want to get one as a second car in about 10 months when I graduate. My parents may buy it for me as a graduation present since they are like $1000 and under in my area, but right now for me the RX7 is the top priority... this so far isn't a very important post so now to the point---->

ok so you can find an 85-87 toyota corrolla fairly easy and pretty dang cheap(you say you can't which tells me you've been looking in your area, and not EVERYWHERE, if your serious about getting a car you have to look like 500 miles away!), then just rebuild the engine and add I/H/E and then do some suspension work, either coilovers or shocks and springs, probably coilovers if your a REALLY SERIOUS RACER, although you seem to be on a budget so shock and springs would be easier when they can be had for much less(about half the price usually) then get new wheels and tires, cuz what is a race car that can't grip? then you know just put in a short shifter and new clutch and lightened flywheel and go from there... or something totally different, just my thoughts on the subject

BUT! the best part of this... you can find an AE86 for say $800 bucks, spend $700-$800 on headers and exhaust and intake(don't know how much it is for this car since I don't have one and haven't looked at prices), and about $500-600 on suspension. and your between $2000-$2200... and let me tell ya, it will be one fun drifter... but you'll wanna rebuild it if you plan on running it hard a lot, not like right away but within a couple months of getting it I'd say, just to be safe. which you can prolly get done for $1300-$1700 depending on what all you do... but just for a drift car you could do a basic rebuild and be good to go.

if this idea isn't what your looking for then forget it... just thought I'd try to give you another option, and if you live near Kansas they seem to be fairly common in the big city papers, Missouri as well I beleive

atleast your getting a RWD car and not trying to drift your civic :)

The problem with getting a car for that low of a price is that you have to invest alought of money into it before you can tune it. First off, its gonna need work. Then you are gonna have to spend some money on basic repairs, and save some for the future if it runs into a problem which all cars do somwhere along the line. You also must be carefull what kind of car you get, with gas millage and all. If its going to be a daily driver, something like a race prepped datsun isnt gonna be very good, you will be sucking gas like nothing with some hot carbs. But carbs are still good, especially if you are a serious racer.

well if you just go with a basic rebuild(new factory stuff) it will be more reliable, and if you add I/H/E your helping the eninge breath, makign it more reliable again, and also saving gas a bit probably. then you change the suspension and there isn't a lot that can go wrong except the clutch, which you can get a new clutch stock for like $190, a stage 1 for like $210, or a stage 2 for like $250. which might be something you wanna do to start with from the beginning if your gonna drift cuz it tears at your clutch like none other.

but a supra for $2000 bucks won't be reliable, I'll tell you that now, they aren't the most reliable cars once they get over 100k miles already, but if its only 2 grand, bound for trouble, atleast with the AE86 you can afford to rebuild it right away and not worry about the engine... just a quick thought

Sure he can get an SR5 for that, but getting a GTS thats pretty tough, the ones that they sell on eclub 4AG are either beat to shit or are SR5s. And never say anything about a MKII Supra like that. in 1985 The toyota Supra outrated a Porsche, Jaguar, BMW, Audi, Chevy Camaro with a 305, and a Nissan 300ZX. Just go and type in 1985 Toyota Supra revies, and compare its total points to other cars of the same year. Also the 5MGE was so strong and reliable that they used them in some boats! Plus MKII Supras can be found for great prices. And odten you really dont need to worry about high miles on a Toyota, my supra has 130,000 going on 140,000. The only thing you will need to replace to make sure it isnt tired, are the Valve springs. www.rabidchimp.com will give you performance cams for $74 a piece if you give him yours. Also, I talked to him, and the 7MGE heads fit right on there so it you are serious you can have the block bored 3mm to fit racing 7MGE pistons in, then you can put some ported 7MGE heads on it with racing/performance heads on it. But first off you wont really need all of that. Just start with getting it going in a good working fation and maby pur like a K&N filter on it, you dont even need a kit, just put it on your factory tubing, you can filters for like $5 on ebay.

I october I saw 3 GTS's in the Kanas City newpaper just in that month. then I bout my rx-7 and stopped looking. all 3 were under $1000. one was only $500, had a few dents, good mechanically. another was $750, needed tires and had original paint. another was $900, ran good, only very minor body damage. I never looked at them myself but thats what it said in the paper, or something close to that, its been awhile so ofcourse I don't remeber exactly. but yea they are much easier to come buy than most people think.

Yes, but you must see that when cars are that inexpensive a good number of the time they are rusty or semi rusty. Do you know how much of a pain in the ass rust is, Ill tell you I do, its at every corner of my supra. Rust also prevents you from working on the car. Sure he could find a good Corola GTS, but it seems that the only reason most people want them is becuase they are driftable and because Takumi Fujiwara drives one in Initial D. I love initial D, but see the AE86 has a solid rear axel, which makes it easier to drift but not nesisaraly better. I would love it if he bought one becuase it is a car that he truely likes, but If you are buying it just for this then no. Buy something that is good for you. Realize that the car is going to get pretty beat up. Get something that you wont feel terrible about beating up. and remeber skill is what you need.

How's the aftermarket support for the Celica/Supra?

Aftermarket is fine, for the engine it is good, becuase it can take 7MGE heads, and head gaskets, it has the same exact bore. The only differance between a 7MGE and 5MGE is that 7MGE is 3.0L (toyota put that extra 200cc into stroke) and the 5MGE is 2.8L. If you dont want to change heads or anything, check out www.rabidchimp.com