Paved drifting... is it really RACING? really...

i can see how in rally/off road racing it is nessisary but itsnt it WAY slower to drift on a road course?

*zips on flame suit*

Well, that depends.

In production type racing (any class where stock type suspension and chassis are required) you actually do see controlled four wheel drifting. It's not the exaggerated oversteer type drifts you see in drifting competitions, but the idea of sliding through the corner to maintain momentum is the same.

Generally speaking, the car is aimed a little inside the apex of the corner and the car slides so that it just clips the apex.

It is the fastest way around a course for machines like that.

well, the idea of drifting in "this" sense ("this" meaning the sense that is mostly discussed on this board) is purely for style.

the idea is to get the car sideways and sustain it for a long period of time, around a large corner or whatever, and link it with more drifts on successive corners. it's like figure skating, the judging is almost purely style, but while that may be so, drifting is still one of the highest evidences of someone's car control ability and takes ALOT more skill then it sounds like.

well, the idea of drifting in "this" sense ("this" meaning the sense that is mostly discussed on this board) is purely for style.


I have to disagree with this quote. Drifting is not purely style. Drifting can be an advantage in a certain corner. But its not widely used in road racing because its ILLEGAL. I want you to talk to any road racers, if you do this IN PURPOSE during a ROAD RACE (ei, AUTOX). you will be disqualified or kicked out. (I got kicked out of the amateur AUTOX SOLO when i did this once :D hey, I already lost so what, he he).

Anyways, That's why in Japan, they have to build a whole new league just for drifting (D1).

But With a proper combination of Tires/Spring Rate/ Camber settings/ Drifting will be more in your advantage than grip.

I'm a club level driving instructor, hold an SCCA National Competition license, and have track time at virtually every road course in the northeast, and have never encountered a situation where D1-style drifting is faster than keeping the car pointed in the direction it's travelling. There is no rule in any rule book I have read against drifting, and the reason people don't "drift" is that it is slower than not drifting. Genreally, what happens is the rear tires heat up to above their ideal operating temperature and lose grip. Less grip = lower cornering speed = lower entry speed on the straight = slower lap time.


In production type racing (any class where stock type suspension and chassis are required) you actually do see controlled four wheel drifting. It's not the exaggerated oversteer type drifts you see in drifting competitions, but the idea of sliding through the corner to maintain momentum is the same.

Generally speaking, the car is aimed a little inside the apex of the corner and the car slides so that it just clips the apex.

It is the fastest way around a course for machines like that.

In general, this is pretty accurate. I do not know of any cars where "drifting" is faster, and have only seen two drivers that I would consider fast drive regularly with the back end hung out (and I'm takling inches here, not feet), and both of those are in FWD cars where the rear tires don't really do anything aside from keeping the trunk from dragging on the ground. D1-style drifting is slow, plain and simple.

I have to disagree with this quote. Drifting is not purely style. Drifting can be an advantage in a certain corner. But its not widely used in road racing because its ILLEGAL. I want you to talk to any road racers, if you do this IN PURPOSE during a ROAD RACE (ei, AUTOX). you will be disqualified or kicked out. (I got kicked out of the amateur AUTOX SOLO when i did this once :D hey, I already lost so what, he he).

Anyways, That's why in Japan, they have to build a whole new league just for drifting (D1).

But With a proper combination of Tires/Spring Rate/ Camber settings/ Drifting will be more in your advantage than grip.



as layla and kfoote only in certain cases and even then only minuscule amounts of drifts can ma you fater....D1 type drifts are only for style

you probably got kiked out of that autox even because they cosidered your drifting unsafe to the course workers or yourself

as layla and kfoote only in certain cases and even then only minuscule amounts of drifts can ma you fater....D1 type drifts are only for style

you probably got kiked out of that autox even because they cosidered your drifting unsafe to the course workers or yourself


Yeah, that's what the guy said! :D he he. They said it was dangerous for me to purposely drift my car :D he he.. love it!

gymkhana, in japan, requires low-speed drifting for some corners, and even 360s at times. so there's a place.
but you'd be hard pressed to find a form of racing where "sliding" around a corner is not done. sometimes it's not a choice.

keep in mind that drifting as a form of racing (D1GP) is judged in the same way as ice skating, but judges, not by stop watches.
so it's a motorsport, but not necessarily racing...

thanks for not flaming me just wondering what the drift fans thought :)

as layla and kfoote only in certain cases and even then only minuscule amounts of drifts can ma you fater....D1 type drifts are only for style

you probably got kiked out of that autox even because they cosidered your drifting unsafe to the course workers or yourself

you've obviously never seen an option video, those guys go flying around just about everycorner

and in incases such as S-curves drifting would be fast and on sharp corners, on wide corners it would probably be slower because just going around normal you could get on the throttle harder faster

Less grip = lower cornering speed = lower entry speed on the straight = slower lap time

this may be true but on a moutain its a diff ball park

First, let me say that my using the word "drifting" in this post, I'm referring to D1 style drifting, not rotating the car a few minor degrees like referred to by Octagon.

Less grip = lower cornering speed = lower entry speed on the straight = slower lap time

this may be true but on a moutain its a diff ball park

No it's not. Drifting = wasted momentum. Maintaining traction and keeping your momentum through the corner is always faster than wasting your time and momentum sliding the back end around. Forget what you've seen on Initial D, in real life drifting is for show.

Let me share my auto-x story. One time I was making my run and for some reason the back end just would not stick down, and I ended up drifting almost every corner. Let me tell you, it felt FAST. My 1st run I followed nice smooth racing lines and was placed pretty well in the pack. Not too high, but high enough to make me happy. Well this lap felt so fast I thought I was going to own everyone out there, and they were just gonna call the season short and give me the trophy now :biggrin: . Check the time board and to my surprise I was more than 6 full seconds slower than the 1st "smooth" lap. 6+ seconds on a 50 second auto-x course is an eternity.

Moral of the story - Drifting is fun, a rush, exciting, and slow :lol:


Yeah, that's what the guy said! :D he he. They said it was dangerous for me to purposely drift my car :D he he.. love it!

Yeah, I just love endangering other people :eek7:

Downhill is the only thing that could be called an actual "race." Sure it's a bit slower than a grip race, but it is still highly competitive between drivers.

if by downhill, you mean the togue, it comes down to the same thing.
a slight drift around a hairpin is quicker than grip, but not a full blown drift (d1 style).

this is just the same thing, over and over.

drifting is not a speed/time sport. never has been.

the idea of mild drifts, on mountain roads or wherever, is the same as octagon said, mild.
that's it.

maybe. but why bother doing just one thing when you can do it all. D1 is a doughnut show, and touge is more hair raising. learn them all, it'll be funner and you'll turn out a better driver.
they're all just pieces of a bigger pie.
it's a motorsport with many different elements that nobody can seem to agree on. :icon16:

maybe. but why bother doing just one thing when you can do it all. D1 is a doughnut show, and touge is more hair raising. learn them all, it'll be funner and you'll turn out a better driver.
they're all just pieces of a bigger pie.
it's a motorsport with many different elements that nobody can seem to agree on. :icon16:

:shakehead

good luck. i hope you have the pocket book to "learn them all"

if driving side by side another car isn't hair raising enough for you maybe you need to choose a different sport

...hmmm.
Perhaps I should try giant bolivian frog racing. :confused:

maybe you should try not posting ignorant messages anymore?

Soyo, lay off it. There's no need to get all het up about nothing.

However, Boss San, in case you didn't notice this thread's last post before you dredged it up was in January. This is about the fifth time you've brought up a dead thread from months ago. Consider this your warning.

octy...
soyo is understandably frustrated, as are the rest of us with this newbie and his posts.

it's getting old.

togue is more hair raising.

except that togue is still more of a grip style of driving than drift, and we ALL know that.

octy...
soyo is understandably frustrated, as are the rest of us with this newbie and his posts.

it's getting old.



Yes, that makes flywsi the temporary arbitrator of what's cool.

Old? Let's talk about OLD flywsi. How about the fact that every time somebody discovers this "drift" forum, they get hell from you and the other drift forum flys. I wonder why there's only like five people in here during any given week.

Soyo is just happy to have the flames pointed at somebody else for a change. Get used to forums, they're all the same. OH GOD, SOMEBODY KICKED UP AN OLD THREAD. How am I supposed to get my post on when these noobs are bringing up old topics? O jeez, my hair's a mess too...

LoL.... what has become of us-?

wow, sounds like someone doesn't like me, b/c of the stupid flaming newbies, that some of us don't want to put up with.

i get really annoyed with stupid posts.
i could care less how long people have been here.

the old fly?
that doesn't change at all.

i'm annoyed by the wannabe drift kings that frequent this forum, honestly.
that's what i'm annoyed with, the people who pretend they know everything but have never had a car sideways. ever.

what other drift forum flies, just out of curiousity?

and in all honesty, soyo's post isn't negative, it's honest.
why does boss get shit everytime he posts?
he's an idiot.
end of story.

if someone else acts like a fool, or is plain ignorant, don't think i won't be on them either.
that's just the way i am.

boss-SAn, is bringing back everysingle drifting thread

I'm no fly...

dang people, I wasn't even very harsh in my post, I wrote one simple sarcastic line and I need my fire blanket...

I don't care if hes a newbie or a moderator, I don't like when people bring up old threads... I mean I can take one or 2, especially if they are decent threads and there is a relatively good reason to bring it up, but when you bring up 10+ threads with pretty much no reason, either saying something dumb or simply saying something that has already been said, by 'saying something dumb' I mean repeatedly posting about how he posted under someones name and yadda yadda... he said that in like 3 threads! I didn't even care to hear about it once! thats more of something you should put in your signature or something...

why must everything get so blown up?

and to end it, why yell at me for being sarcastic to him when he was talking about some wierd frog? yea thats on topic and insightful information!

dang people, I wasn't even very harsh in my post, I wrote one simple sarcastic line and I need my fire blanket...

I don't care if hes a newbie or a moderator, I don't like when people bring up old threads... I mean I can take one or 2, especially if they are decent threads and there is a relatively good reason to bring it up, but when you bring up 10+ threads with pretty much no reason, either saying something dumb or simply saying something that has already been said, by 'saying something dumb' I mean repeatedly posting about how he posted under someones name and yadda yadda... he said that in like 3 threads! I didn't even care to hear about it once! thats more of something you should put in your signature or something...

and to end it, why yell at me for being sarcastic to him when he was talking about some wierd frog? yea thats on topic and insightful information!